Re: Odd shutdown symptom

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On 09/16/2010 06:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
...
>> The security updates are recommended.
> 
> I'll have to double-check, didn't recall there were any relevant 
> security patches in 2.0.6 thru 2.0.8



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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Leonidas Jones]

"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
> 
>> To close the program properly on Windows, click on File in the
>> menubar, then choose Exit.  This should ensure that the program
>> actually closes, and that the lock file will be deleted
>> automatically.  Closing all the windows will usually close the
>> program, but not always, as you have seen.
> 
> Do you mean to say that the other options -- ALT-F4, CTRL-Q, and the
> [X] icon at the upper right corner of the screen -- are not equivalent
> to File | Close??? That would be astonishing to me (a nonprogrammer).
> 
> I've noticed that SM (and Mozilla before it, for that matter)
> occasionally fails to terminate correctly, leaving a process running
> that I can see in Task Manager but no visible window or tile in the
> taskbar. When that happens, it continues to retrieve mail, displaying
> the tray icon and playing the sound, but the user has no way to access
> the program. ALT-Tab cycles through all other running programs, but
> never shows SM. Even Task Manager doesn't show it in the list of
> running applications.
> 
> If I force the process to close in Task Manager using "end process," I
> can then relaunch the program normally with no harm done.

I am not a programmer either, nor am I a regular Windows user, at least
not for a few years.  Perhaps I should let a more experienced Windows
use speak to the efficacy of File>>Exit, as opposed to the close box.  I
will note that it has been discussed a number of times in these groups
in the past.

I would think that ctrl+q would have the same effect as File>>Exit,
though again perhaps a more experienced Windows user should comment.

Lee
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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Leonidas Jones wrote:


To close the program properly on Windows, click on File in the
menubar, then choose Exit.  This should ensure that the program
actually closes, and that the lock file will be deleted
automatically.  Closing all the windows will usually close the
program, but not always, as you have seen.


Do you mean to say that the other options -- ALT-F4, CTRL-Q, and the [X] 
icon at the upper right corner of the screen -- are not equivalent to 
File | Close??? That would be astonishing to me (a nonprogrammer).


I've noticed that SM (and Mozilla before it, for that matter) 
occasionally fails to terminate correctly, leaving a process running 
that I can see in Task Manager but no visible window or tile in the 
taskbar. When that happens, it continues to retrieve mail, displaying 
the tray icon and playing the sound, but the user has no way to access 
the program. ALT-Tab cycles through all other running programs, but 
never shows SM. Even Task Manager doesn't show it in the list of running 
applications.


If I force the process to close in Task Manager using "end process," I 
can then relaunch the program normally with no harm done.


--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Richard Owlett]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Richard Owlett  wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Richard Owlett   wrote:

I use
 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10)
Gecko/20100504 SeaMonkey/2.0.5
under WinXP Pro SP3

I had just closed all VISIBLE Seamonkey windows.
I wanted to send an email and clicked on appropriate shortcut, whose
target was

"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"  -mail

It brought up Profile manager and I chose appropriate profile, which
was the last one used.

It aborted saying profile was in use (didn't think to capture exact
verbiage).

Clicked Start->Turn Off Computer->Restart
Chose same shortcut and all was fine.
Was this a freak or is there an actual problem.
I've been a satisfied used since days of Netscape 4.x and only
update
"for cause". No plan to update until Seamonkey gets to>=2.1 :)

TIA


The security updates are recommended.


I'll have to double-check, didn't recall there were any relevant
security patches in 2.0.6 thru 2.0.8


  It's a scary internet.


Agreed, that's why I'm behind multiple firewalls and multiple filters
on email/newsgroups. Also a fringe benefit of being on dial-up, my IP
address is not the same between connections.



What happened to you is that the parent.lock file, which locks the
profile in use did not get deleted when you closed SeaMonkey. If it
happens again, you can avoid the restart by navigating to your
profile
folder, and deleting the file manually.


If I read you correctly, wouldn't that lose all my preferences and
email?



To avoid the issue in most cases, close SeaMonkey by choosing Using
the
file menu, rather then simply closing all the windows.






I guess I was unclear.  I meant to say navigate to your profile location
and delete the parent.lock file, not the entire profile.


OK, makes sense now.



To close the program properly on Windows, click on File in the menubar,
then choose Exit.  This should ensure that the program actually closes,
and that the lock file will be deleted automatically.  Closing all the
windows will usually close the program, but not always, as you have
seen.



DUH , figured that out just AFTER hitting Send ;/
Thanks
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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Leonidas Jones]

Richard Owlett  wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Richard Owlett  wrote:
>>> I use
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10)
>>> Gecko/20100504 SeaMonkey/2.0.5
>>>under WinXP Pro SP3
>>> 
>>> I had just closed all VISIBLE Seamonkey windows.
>>> I wanted to send an email and clicked on appropriate shortcut, whose
>>> target was
>>> 
>>> "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"  -mail
>>> 
>>> It brought up Profile manager and I chose appropriate profile, which
>>> was the last one used.
>>> 
>>> It aborted saying profile was in use (didn't think to capture exact
>>> verbiage).
>>> 
>>> Clicked Start->Turn Off Computer->Restart
>>> Chose same shortcut and all was fine.
>>> Was this a freak or is there an actual problem.
>>> I've been a satisfied used since days of Netscape 4.x and only
> > > update
>>> "for cause". No plan to update until Seamonkey gets to>=2.1 :)
>>> 
>>> TIA
>> 
>> The security updates are recommended.
> 
> I'll have to double-check, didn't recall there were any relevant
> security patches in 2.0.6 thru 2.0.8
> 
>>  It's a scary internet.
> 
> Agreed, that's why I'm behind multiple firewalls and multiple filters
> on email/newsgroups. Also a fringe benefit of being on dial-up, my IP
> address is not the same between connections.
> 
>> 
>> What happened to you is that the parent.lock file, which locks the
>> profile in use did not get deleted when you closed SeaMonkey. If it
>> happens again, you can avoid the restart by navigating to your 
> > profile
>> folder, and deleting the file manually.
> 
> If I read you correctly, wouldn't that lose all my preferences and
> email?
> 
>> 
>> To avoid the issue in most cases, close SeaMonkey by choosing Using
> > the
>> file menu, rather then simply closing all the windows.
> 
> 


I guess I was unclear.  I meant to say navigate to your profile location
and delete the parent.lock file, not the entire profile.

To close the program properly on Windows, click on File in the menubar,
then choose Exit.  This should ensure that the program actually closes,
and that the lock file will be deleted automatically.  Closing all the
windows will usually close the program, but not always, as you have
seen.

Lee
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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Richard Owlett]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Richard Owlett  wrote:

I use
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10)
Gecko/20100504 SeaMonkey/2.0.5
   under WinXP Pro SP3

I had just closed all VISIBLE Seamonkey windows.
I wanted to send an email and clicked on appropriate shortcut, whose
target was

"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"  -mail

It brought up Profile manager and I chose appropriate profile, which
was the last one used.

It aborted saying profile was in use (didn't think to capture exact
verbiage).

Clicked Start->Turn Off Computer->Restart
Chose same shortcut and all was fine.
Was this a freak or is there an actual problem.
I've been a satisfied used since days of Netscape 4.x and only update
"for cause". No plan to update until Seamonkey gets to>=2.1 :)

TIA


The security updates are recommended.


I'll have to double-check, didn't recall there were any relevant 
security patches in 2.0.6 thru 2.0.8



 It's a scary internet.


Agreed, that's why I'm behind multiple firewalls and multiple 
filters on email/newsgroups. Also a fringe benefit of being on 
dial-up, my IP address is not the same between connections.




What happened to you is that the parent.lock file, which locks the
profile in use did not get deleted when you closed SeaMonkey. If it
happens again, you can avoid the restart by navigating to your  profile
folder, and deleting the file manually.


If I read you correctly, wouldn't that lose all my preferences 
and email?




To avoid the issue in most cases, close SeaMonkey by choosing Using the
file menu, rather then simply closing all the windows.







Lee


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Re: Odd shutdown symptom

[Leonidas Jones]

Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I use
>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10)
> Gecko/20100504 SeaMonkey/2.0.5
>   under WinXP Pro SP3
> 
> I had just closed all VISIBLE Seamonkey windows.
> I wanted to send an email and clicked on appropriate shortcut, whose
> target was
> 
> "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"  -mail
> 
> It brought up Profile manager and I chose appropriate profile, which
> was the last one used.
> 
> It aborted saying profile was in use (didn't think to capture exact
> verbiage).
> 
> Clicked Start->Turn Off Computer->Restart
> Chose same shortcut and all was fine.
> Was this a freak or is there an actual problem.
> I've been a satisfied used since days of Netscape 4.x and only update
> "for cause". No plan to update until Seamonkey gets to >=2.1 :)
> 
> TIA

The security updates are recommended.  It's a scary internet.

What happened to you is that the parent.lock file, which locks the
profile in use did not get deleted when you closed SeaMonkey. If it
happens again, you can avoid the restart by navigating to your  profile
folder, and deleting the file manually.

To avoid the issue in most cases, close SeaMonkey by choosing Using the
file menu, rather then simply closing all the windows.

Lee
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Odd shutdown symptom

[Richard Owlett]

I use
   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) 
Gecko/20100504 SeaMonkey/2.0.5

  under WinXP Pro SP3

I had just closed all VISIBLE Seamonkey windows.
I wanted to send an email and clicked on appropriate shortcut, 
whose target was


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"  -mail

It brought up Profile manager and I chose appropriate profile, 
which was the last one used.


It aborted saying profile was in use (didn't think to capture 
exact verbiage).


Clicked Start->Turn Off Computer->Restart
Chose same shortcut and all was fine.
Was this a freak or is there an actual problem.
I've been a satisfied used since days of Netscape 4.x and only 
update "for cause". No plan to update until Seamonkey gets to 
>=2.1 :)


TIA

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