Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Thus evaluation of any proposed solution should also be performed at varying screen resolutions and on display screens of various sizes, with the worst case(s) being the smaller/smallest screens a user may be likely to employ. That analysis is more helpful than probably all the rest of this thread, thanks for it, that actually gives us something to work with. Could you please post it to the bug report? See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513691 Also, could you take a look on the proposal that was attached there? It has a possible way of improivng the situation, and I'd like more opinions on the way this goes. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Thus evaluation of any proposed solution should also be performed at varying screen resolutions and on display screens of various sizes, with the worst case(s) being the smaller/smallest screens a user may be likely to employ. That analysis is more helpful than probably all the rest of this thread, thanks for it, that actually gives us something to work with. Could you please post it to the bug report? See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513691 Also, could you take a look on the proposal that was attached there? It has a possible way of improivng the situation, and I'd like more opinions on the way this goes. Robert Kaiser I did actually post most of what is here in the bug report some days ago - I'll take a further look. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Thus evaluation of any proposed solution should also be performed at varying screen resolutions and on display screens of various sizes, with the worst case(s) being the smaller/smallest screens a user may be likely to employ. That analysis is more helpful than probably all the rest of this thread, thanks for it, that actually gives us something to work with. Could you please post it to the bug report? See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513691 Also, could you take a look on the proposal that was attached there? It has a possible way of improivng the situation, and I'd like more opinions on the way this goes. Robert Kaiser I did actually post most of what is here in the bug report some days ago - I'll take a further look. It looks like someone has quoted my post from here in the bug thread, which is certainly fine by me. I'm still taken aback by all the ongoing arguments for form over function going on in the bug thread...the new small buttons are clearly NOT very functional, and the user being able to actually USE the interface should be the only point of discussion here - not how it looks or that someone considers the previous implementation ugly has zero to do with it. And blind is not the same as visually (or otherwise) impaired - I myself suffer from cyclic iritis, and while my disease is presently controlled and not particularly impacted, others are not as fortunate and while not blind may yet require large text or presentations in order to read or use an interface on a screen. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? Guys, I want solutions instead of bashing people here. Making me more angry doesn't solve the problem. Giving me ideas on how to actually improve it helps way more. And at least one person did that in the bug. Take an example there. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? Guys, I want solutions instead of bashing people here. Making me more angry doesn't solve the problem. Giving me ideas on how to actually improve it helps way more. And at least one person did that in the bug. Take an example there. Robert Kaiser Very simple - put it back the way it was, with the possibility of reducing the size of the buttons to 1/2 of the previous size, but not without looking at how that size is displayed at higher/smaller resolutions and screen sizes - like on a netbook - first. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? Guys, I want solutions instead of bashing people here. Making me more angry doesn't solve the problem. Giving me ideas on how to actually improve it helps way more. And at least one person did that in the bug. Take an example there. We're not bashing people. The problem is that you only want the problem solved your way, and will not consider suggestions you don't personally like. I'm ready to do all the work necessary to get the dialog back to how people like (and have already taken steps to do so), but you seem to be biased because the current dialog is your work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? Guys, I want solutions instead of bashing people here. Making me more angry doesn't solve the problem. Giving me ideas on how to actually improve it helps way more. And at least one person did that in the bug. Take an example there. We're not bashing people. The problem is that you only want the problem solved your way, and will not consider suggestions you don't personally like. I'm ready to do all the work necessary to get the dialog back to how people like (and have already taken steps to do so), but you seem to be biased because the current dialog is your work. ...on point. And furthermore... IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Thus evaluation of any proposed solution should also be performed at varying screen resolutions and on display screens of various sizes, with the worst case(s) being the smaller/smallest screens a user may be likely to employ. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:17:11 -0800, Rufus wrote: IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Rufus, please repost this analysis to the progress download window so it doesn't get lost in the noise. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:17:11 -0800, Rufus wrote: IMO, the buttons need to be sized so that they appear no smaller than 1/2 the width of the former oblong buttons, or of a diameter that is equal to the height of the former oblong buttons. They also need to be placed far enough from the dialog box edge such that a user doesn't risk overshooting them while attempting to point and/or click with with consideration being given to the variety of user available pointing/input devices - including mice, trackballs, trackpads, pen tablets, and iso-static devices. Buttons within ALL dialog boxes and/or other presentations furnished for user input/interaction need to be of a size which is both visually and tactilely accessible to/for all users of all abilities employing the widest variety of equipment. Rufus, please repost this analysis to the progress download window so it doesn't get lost in the noise. Phil Done. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Rufus a écrit : ...what's wrong with nicely shaped, user and hardware accessible, generic buttons? It's a browser suite, not a floor show... That's absolutely my point! I fund the current ones fit all those criteria. Others don't. It doesn't mean I'm right, just that I prefer something different than what those people do. It's what themes are for. S. I'm all in favor of themes and being able to add them on, but I'd prefer my defaults and built-ins straight forward and universally standardized to some degree. My Preference the best theme there is, SkyPilot. But it currently Conflicts with Quote Colors. So I am using Modern until SailFish gets it fixed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right. Wrong. EOM. No, it's not wrong. Everyone who dislikes the new progress dialog agrees. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap when you don't even use the thing? Agreed. The new crap is CRAP. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right. Wrong. EOM. No, it's not wrong. Everyone who dislikes the new progress dialog agrees. The tiny buttons are wrong - they are not only inconvenient for use with some pointing devices, they my be impossible to use for someone whom is visually or physically impaired. Which is not just wrong, but wholly inconsiderate. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Rufus a écrit : ...what's wrong with nicely shaped, user and hardware accessible, generic buttons? It's a browser suite, not a floor show... That's absolutely my point! I fund the current ones fit all those criteria. Others don't. It doesn't mean I'm right, just that I prefer something different than what those people do. It's what themes are for. S. I'm all in favor of themes and being able to add them on, but I'd prefer my defaults and built-ins straight forward and universally standardized to some degree. My Preference the best theme there is, SkyPilot. But it currently Conflicts with Quote Colors. So I am using Modern until SailFish gets it fixed. ...I'm still wrestling with the tiny buttons. Seems the same lunacy is going on with Thunderbird 3.0 as well - the icon for an Attachment in the preview pane is so small you have to really be some sort of high-level mouse jockey to target it... ...seriously, people - interface buttons are the size they are for two very distinct reasons: 1) so they can be easily targeted and clicked by any input device on any platform; and 2) so that they may be easily viewed and targeted by someone whom is visually and/or physically impaired. What's going on with this mini-mini crap isn't just dumb, it's flat-out inconsiderate when it come to a built-in interface. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: As far as the Download Manager went We're talking about progress windows here, not the download manager. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right. Wrong. EOM. Robert Kaiser EOM ??? Please speak like a user instead of an Engineer or Developer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Do NOT kill the progress windows! I agree, even if I personally don't use them, I see why some people like them and really want to give those an experience that is functional, useful and well-designed at the same time. I just miss ideas on how to achieve that. All they need to do is to return the buttons to their former size At the current position it looks like crap, at the former position it looks even worse. Suggestions? Text/Icon? If Icon, how should it look? ??? People, please come up with real ideas, right now all I hear is let's replace crapwork with crapwork! Robert Kaiser Are you referring to the default theme? If so I agree. For the Mac anyway and maybe to PC and UNIX/Linux as well. They look to cartoony. The style of SM 1.1.18 was better but the Graphic's instead of using the old windows95 style gif's should use better drawn versions as png's instead In fact. I'll see whether I can come up with some items and I'll post on my website. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: EOM ??? End Of Message. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. So what? It worked! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. So what? It worked! Here is some suggested icons: http://www.phillipmjones.net/Browser.png http://www.phillipmjones.net/MailNews.png At least they don't look so cartoonish looking -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones a écrit : At least they don't look so cartoonish looking To me, they do. Plus, the stamp is very US-centric. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. So what? It worked! Here is some suggested icons: http://www.phillipmjones.net/Browser.png http://www.phillipmjones.net/MailNews.png At least they don't look so cartoonish looking Redid the MailNews.png -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : At least they don't look so cartoonish looking To me, they do. Plus, the stamp is very US-centric. S. Don't have to use the us stamp jum could put a solid block in place of the stamp. at least they don't exactly look like a 4 year old designed them. Just suggestions anyway -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : At least they don't look so cartoonish looking To me, they do. Plus, the stamp is very US-centric. S. changed the stamp to just a Green block with no markings. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones a écrit : Don't have to use the us stamp jum could put a solid block in place of the stamp. at least they don't exactly look like a 4 year old designed them. Just suggestions anyway Agreed! My point was more along the line of beauty/funtionality/looks being in the eye of the beholder. (And the stamp comment was meant to raise a point that is sometimes forgotten on the sideline.) S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: As far as the Download Manager went We're talking about progress windows here, not the download manager. Robert Kaiser Download Manager progress, progress-progress...it seems to me it's an endemic implementation that needs to be addressed and corrected. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. So what? It worked! ...and if it worked, that means it wasn't bad in any way shape or form. So why screw with it and deny access and functionality to users? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : Don't have to use the us stamp jum could put a solid block in place of the stamp. at least they don't exactly look like a 4 year old designed them. Just suggestions anyway Agreed! My point was more along the line of beauty/funtionality/looks being in the eye of the beholder. (And the stamp comment was meant to raise a point that is sometimes forgotten on the sideline.) S. ...what's wrong with nicely shaped, user and hardware accessible, generic buttons? It's a browser suite, not a floor show... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus a écrit : ...what's wrong with nicely shaped, user and hardware accessible, generic buttons? It's a browser suite, not a floor show... That's absolutely my point! I fund the current ones fit all those criteria. Others don't. It doesn't mean I'm right, just that I prefer something different than what those people do. It's what themes are for. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
S. Beaulieu wrote: Rufus a écrit : ...what's wrong with nicely shaped, user and hardware accessible, generic buttons? It's a browser suite, not a floor show... That's absolutely my point! I fund the current ones fit all those criteria. Others don't. It doesn't mean I'm right, just that I prefer something different than what those people do. It's what themes are for. S. I'm all in favor of themes and being able to add them on, but I'd prefer my defaults and built-ins straight forward and universally standardized to some degree. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:01:02 -0800, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. ...how about some common sense, then? The problem with common sense is that it is actually uncommon. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:58:14 -0800, Rufus wrote: I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. I may have the team at a disadvantage because I DO evaluate human interfaces for software for a living, but my comments still stand - and I hope those whom are coding are listening...to ALL of us whom are not pleased. I have a growing list of gripes I plan to submit formal bug reports against. A real professional qualified UX person! This is great! Rufus could you do us a great favour and read the comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513691 (Sanitize redesigned download progress window) And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. Almost all the SeaMonkey developers are actually against the mini buttons. The only person in favour of the mini buttons is, unfortunately, KaiRo, the project co-ordinator. Until now all we have is 100% negative feedback from our users (dismissed by KaiRo as I'm right, everyone else is wrong) and anecdotal evidence from the other developers. Now if a professional human interfaces person like you could come up with some authoritative statement (and the reasoning) about the undesirability of the mini buttons. I'm sure all of us will thank you. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]We now return to our regularly scheduled flame-throwing. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Snipping posts] was (Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.)
NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 04:43 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: ... In that case, my space-bar is requesting profit sharing from you ;-P ... Most *support* Groups prefer no snipping what so ever so that threading can be maintained, to determine what steps in solving a problem have been tried. If its in a groups where conversation is going on then Snipping is acceptable. I just add the 'Lines' column, and if the lines are over 50 I just mark the msg as read and skip over it... unless of course I am aware that the msg may have data in it that pertains to the issue. snip Like you, NoOp, I have the Lines column showing, and I just go down the posts until I see the number of Lines decrease, indicating that Snipping has occured. Then I select the post with the greatest number of Lines, e.g. prior to my post in this thread, the posts had 125 lines (Phillip) which I read, 31 lines (Martin) which I read, 9 (Hartmut), 15 (Martin), 32 (Phillip) and then your post of 33 lines which I read, snipped and replied to. Usually works, except when people snip a lot, then reply a lot or have big Sig blocks (the tag ANT springs to mind, here). Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Philip Chee wrote: And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. That doesn't really help. What would help is a suggestion how to make it _really_ better. We all know that the current design isn't really good (though I am convinced it's better than the old design overall). What I'm missing in all that discussion is constructive ideas how to make it really good. The only suggested option I heard so far is killing the progress windows completely, and I think that would make more people unhappy than the current design. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Philip Chee wrote, On 12/8/2009 10:31 AM: And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. Almost all the SeaMonkey developers are actually against the mini buttons. The only person in favour of the mini buttons is, unfortunately, KaiRo, the project co-ordinator. Until now all we have is 100% negative feedback from our users (dismissed by KaiRo as I'm right, everyone else is wrong) and anecdotal evidence from the other developers. adding a (very...) small percentage of the many people that DO NOT express their opinion often and DO NOT jump up to any protest, I find: - Seamonkey 2.0 as a whole a pretty good and efficient product, for me, my personal and professional use. - The download manager with its small buttons not an annoyance at all. - The migration process working mostly (although I advise from time to time to redo your SM profile, in order to start from a clean state (specially after adding or removing many add-ons, extensions and doing changes to the defaults...). Hope this voicing of a SM user who is 99% satisfied helps re-balance the strong voicing we tend to see a bit too much here Keep cool all... Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: This is a subject that has been gone over from time to time. In most groups sniping is recommended. Don't shoot me! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:01:02 -0800, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. ...how about some common sense, then? The problem with common sense is that it is actually uncommon. Phil ...agreed. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee wrote: And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. That doesn't really help. What would help is a suggestion how to make it _really_ better. We all know that the current design isn't really good (though I am convinced it's better than the old design overall). What I'm missing in all that discussion is constructive ideas how to make it really good. The only suggested option I heard so far is killing the progress windows completely, and I think that would make more people unhappy than the current design. Robert Kaiser Do NOT kill the progress windows! All they need to do is to return the buttons to their former size - or at least half their former size, if they are trying to attempt to save some display space...that would be big enough to be able to accurately target them with a track pad on a laptop, IMO. They should spend some time using the software with input devices other than an mouse - track ball, trackpad, pen tablet, etc. ...but they should also look at it on a net-book or at a resolution simulating that screen size/display size BEFORE they implement my half size suggestion to see if that really will work for all users. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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dominique wrote: Philip Chee wrote, On 12/8/2009 10:31 AM: And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. Almost all the SeaMonkey developers are actually against the mini buttons. The only person in favour of the mini buttons is, unfortunately, KaiRo, the project co-ordinator. Until now all we have is 100% negative feedback from our users (dismissed by KaiRo as I'm right, everyone else is wrong) and anecdotal evidence from the other developers. adding a (very...) small percentage of the many people that DO NOT express their opinion often and DO NOT jump up to any protest, I find: - Seamonkey 2.0 as a whole a pretty good and efficient product, for me, my personal and professional use. - The download manager with its small buttons not an annoyance at all. - The migration process working mostly (although I advise from time to time to redo your SM profile, in order to start from a clean state (specially after adding or removing many add-ons, extensions and doing changes to the defaults...). Hope this voicing of a SM user who is 99% satisfied helps re-balance the strong voicing we tend to see a bit too much here Keep cool all... Dominique 1) Do you primarily use a laptop? 2) If not, do you primarily use a mouse as a pointing device? Most of the problems I've had with 2.0 are interface problems and not functional problems - both on my laptop and on my desktop...but they are REALLY annoying problems. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee wrote: And then write up a cogent summary of why the mini buttons are wrong, wrong, wrong. That doesn't really help. What would help is a suggestion how to make it _really_ better. Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right. Just because you don't agree with that suggestion doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Second. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: This is a subject that has been gone over from time to time. In most groups sniping is recommended. Don't shoot me! ...I'll pass you some ammo! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Benoit Renard wrote: Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right. Wrong. EOM. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Do NOT kill the progress windows! I agree, even if I personally don't use them, I see why some people like them and really want to give those an experience that is functional, useful and well-designed at the same time. I just miss ideas on how to achieve that. All they need to do is to return the buttons to their former size At the current position it looks like crap, at the former position it looks even worse. Suggestions? Text/Icon? If Icon, how should it look? ??? People, please come up with real ideas, right now all I hear is let's replace crapwork with crapwork! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Do NOT kill the progress windows! I agree, even if I personally don't use them, I see why some people like them and really want to give those an experience that is functional, useful and well-designed at the same time. I just miss ideas on how to achieve that. All they need to do is to return the buttons to their former size At the current position it looks like crap, at the former position it looks even worse. Suggestions? Text/Icon? If Icon, how should it look? ??? Seriously - it should look like it looked in SM 1.1.18 - a large, standard sized button with a label in it, in the previous position. Just bring back what was - that was a good design. People, please come up with real ideas, right now all I hear is let's replace crapwork with crapwork! Robert Kaiser ...see the above. The tiny buttons are crap. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Just bring back what was - that was a good design. In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my life, design-wise. Robert Kaiser ...then you haven't seen much. As far as the Download Manager went, and the the dialog boxes that appeared in support of it, the buttons were of a size that were usable and targetable with multiple pointing devices on all platforms - that's good design as far as I'm concerned. As I stated elsewhere, it may be possible to reduce the size of the buttons by half if the object is to save display space...but I wouldn't just plunge into that without trying the graphic on multiple display sizes in multiple resolutions - a netbook being the likely worst case. What we have now with 2.0 sucks, with a capital SUCKS. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones schrieb: Leonidas Jones wrote: Found the problem go to about:cofig the following line should be: default userset browser.download.manager.showWhenStarting;true despite being set properly in preferences you will see: *userset* *browser*.*download*.*manager*.*showWhenStarting*;*false* Actually, that's not at all what I see. I reset it in Preferences, and the pref shows True in about:config. If you reset it that what it should be. In mine before changing it was false. I noticed when I first download the first update for 2.0. when I was using the RC candidate there was a pause a hiccup if you will in the download. That's the one I am using now. I'm wondering if there was problem with it. I doubt that, a checksum would have failed in case of an error. Martin PS: Dudes, delete the uncecessary quotes when answering (pleeeaaase), this is a mess here reading half a book on every post! -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Martin Freitag: PS: Dudes, delete the uncecessary quotes when answering (pleeeaaase), this is a mess here reading half a book on every post! On the other hand it saves time. When you have decided to skip such monsters instead of reading them. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge schrieb: Martin Freitag: PS: Dudes, delete the uncecessary quotes when answering (pleeeaaase), this is a mess here reading half a book on every post! On the other hand it saves time. When you have decided to skip such monsters instead of reading them. :) In that case, my space-bar is requesting profit sharing from you ;-P Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/7/2009 12:23 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. Your comments were clearly insulting. Not constructive. Whether you agree with a UI (or any other application aspect) choice or not, there is no reason to insult the volunteers working to keep this project moving forward. This is just my humble opinion. I am not one of those volunteers. I am one that appreciates their efforts. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Martin Freitag wrote: Hartmut Figge schrieb: Martin Freitag: PS: Dudes, delete the unnecessary quotes when answering (pleeeaaase), this is a mess here reading half a book on every post! On the other hand it saves time. When you have decided to skip such monsters instead of reading them. :) In that case, my space-bar is requesting profit sharing from you ;-P Martin This is a subject that has been gone over from time to time. In most groups sniping is recommended. Then others your asked not to snip anything. when I was active two years ago, I was ether getting blasted for not snipping or if I got worn from being blasted for snipping and started snipping anything and everything, I got blasted. I found you can't do it right no matter. That regardless of what you do it wrong. Its kind of like I say it red, you say it white. Then I say okey Give its white, no its red. Most *support* Groups prefer no snipping what so ever so that threading can be maintained, to determine what steps in solving a problem have been tried. If its in a groups where conversation is going on then Snipping is acceptable. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/07/2009 04:43 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: ... In that case, my space-bar is requesting profit sharing from you ;-P ... Most *support* Groups prefer no snipping what so ever so that threading can be maintained, to determine what steps in solving a problem have been tried. If its in a groups where conversation is going on then Snipping is acceptable. I just add the 'Lines' column, and if the lines are over 50 I just mark the msg as read and skip over it... unless of course I am aware that the msg may have data in it that pertains to the issue. http://www.mozilla.org/support/other http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html quote Trim your follow-ups. Do not quote the entire content of the message to which you are replying. Include only as much as is necessary for context. Remember that if someone wants to read the original message, they can; it is easily accessible. A good rule of thumb is, don't include more quoted text than new text. There is always a need for some trimming - either a salutation, a signature, some blank lines or whatever. If you are doing no trimming whatsoever of the quoted text, then you aren't trimming enough. /quote :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Hartmut Figge schrieb: Martin Freitag: /snip/ Most *support* Groups prefer no snipping what so ever so that threading can be maintained, to determine what steps in solving a problem have been tried. If its in a groups where conversation is going on then Snipping is acceptable. Quote Collapse works wonders. That being said, while back at secnews, there was a no snipping policy, here at new.mozilla.com, snipping is the desired form. I know, I forget too, old habits die hard. I do find the kind of drastic snipping suggested is inappropriate for support threads, but thats just me. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:23 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. Your comments were clearly insulting. Not constructive. Whether you agree with a UI (or any other application aspect) choice or not, there is no reason to insult the volunteers working to keep this project moving forward. This is just my humble opinion. I am not one of those volunteers. I am one that appreciates their efforts. Sorry you feel that way, but they are also accurate...welcome to user feedback-land... Accurate and constructive - far more so than the general SM 2.0 is crap commentary going on elsewhere by people whom are clearly outraged at the upgrade. The far too small buttons are clearly not a move forward...and that's just one example. I may have the team at a disadvantage because I DO evaluate human interfaces for software for a living, but my comments still stand - and I hope those whom are coding are listening...to ALL of us whom are not pleased. I have a growing list of gripes I plan to submit formal bug reports against. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/7/2009 5:58 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:23 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. Your comments were clearly insulting. Not constructive. Whether you agree with a UI (or any other application aspect) choice or not, there is no reason to insult the volunteers working to keep this project moving forward. This is just my humble opinion. I am not one of those volunteers. I am one that appreciates their efforts. Sorry you feel that way, but they are also accurate...welcome to user feedback-land... Accurate and constructive - far more so than the general SM 2.0 is crap commentary going on elsewhere by people whom are clearly outraged at the upgrade. The far too small buttons are clearly not a move forward...and that's just one example. I may have the team at a disadvantage because I DO evaluate human interfaces for software for a living, but my comments still stand - and I hope those whom are coding are listening...to ALL of us whom are not pleased. I have a growing list of gripes I plan to submit formal bug reports against. My comment wasn't about whether there was a UI problem. I'm sorry you're not able to keep on track. My comment was with regard to your insult of the development volunteers. Insulting the volunteers is not going to improve the change of getting your favorite issue addressed. You should give some thought to what you can do to best achieve the goals you desire, rather than just slinging insults at people. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/7/2009 7:05 PM, Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:58 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:23 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. Your comments were clearly insulting. Not constructive. Whether you agree with a UI (or any other application aspect) choice or not, there is no reason to insult the volunteers working to keep this project moving forward. This is just my humble opinion. I am not one of those volunteers. I am one that appreciates their efforts. Sorry you feel that way, but they are also accurate...welcome to user feedback-land... Accurate and constructive - far more so than the general SM 2.0 is crap commentary going on elsewhere by people whom are clearly outraged at the upgrade. The far too small buttons are clearly not a move forward...and that's just one example. I may have the team at a disadvantage because I DO evaluate human interfaces for software for a living, but my comments still stand - and I hope those whom are coding are listening...to ALL of us whom are not pleased. I have a growing list of gripes I plan to submit formal bug reports against. My comment wasn't about whether there was a UI problem. I'm sorry you're not able to keep on track. My comment was with regard to your insult of the development volunteers. Insulting the volunteers is not going to improve the change of getting Oops, I meant ... not going to improve the chance of getting Sorry for the typo. your favorite issue addressed. You should give some thought to what you can do to best achieve the goals you desire, rather than just slinging insults at people. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:58 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:23 PM, Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 12:01 PM, Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil ...how about some common sense, then? Good Grief! Why anyone would want to purposely insult those who volunteer their time for this project and its user base is beyond me. I thought they wanted (and deserve...) feedback when they get it wrong? The itty-bitty buttons on the new Download panes are pretty clearly wrong. Particularly for laptop users. It was right before...make it right again. That seems like common sense, to me. Your comments were clearly insulting. Not constructive. Whether you agree with a UI (or any other application aspect) choice or not, there is no reason to insult the volunteers working to keep this project moving forward. This is just my humble opinion. I am not one of those volunteers. I am one that appreciates their efforts. Sorry you feel that way, but they are also accurate...welcome to user feedback-land... Accurate and constructive - far more so than the general SM 2.0 is crap commentary going on elsewhere by people whom are clearly outraged at the upgrade. The far too small buttons are clearly not a move forward...and that's just one example. I may have the team at a disadvantage because I DO evaluate human interfaces for software for a living, but my comments still stand - and I hope those whom are coding are listening...to ALL of us whom are not pleased. I have a growing list of gripes I plan to submit formal bug reports against. My comment wasn't about whether there was a UI problem. I'm sorry you're not able to keep on track. My comment was with regard to your insult of the development volunteers. I don't consider it an insult. I consider it constructive criticism. People in my industry that can't handle such don't last very long. I'm sure the volunteers can take it as well. Insulting the volunteers is not going to improve the change of getting your favorite issue addressed. You should give some thought to what you can do to best achieve the goals you desire, rather than just slinging insults at people. See the above. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser No offense taken. Not in SM2. In SM 1 yes. The Download manger doesn't even let you know anything is going on until The the dmg starts opening. You actually have to manually open the Download Manager to see what's going on even if you have set in Preferences Downloads open Download Manager You actually have option to open Download Manger or Progress Dialog. neither shows up. Unless you set this config to true. I've just found out what I set doesn't work. so its broke. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. I thought that wasn't a default in 1.1.18 either? - i.e.; if you do a fresh install, you get nothing until you set the Pref for what you want to do for Downloads. My thought was/is that the pref wasn't properly set/transferred for the OP from previous after his upgrade - pretty sure mine wasn't either, but as stated I always go back and double check pref settings after an upgrade so on initial usage I didn't have an issue...but I may have prevented that myself. True. But when you set for download manager to open in SM 1.1.18 it opens Download Manager once set. ON SM regardless of what is set. the Download Manager doesn't open on it own. You have to open it. The auto open for download Manager is broken. Broken on 2.0? I hadn't noticed...but I 'll give it a try and see. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: ... in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. This is not my experience. If download manager is not already open, then it is opened and comes to the front. But if it has been left open from a previous download, then it does not come to the front. I have always found this rather annoying, and consider it a bug. But SM2 seems even more broken in this regard. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. I thought that wasn't a default in 1.1.18 either? - i.e.; if you do a fresh install, you get nothing until you set the Pref for what you want to do for Downloads. My thought was/is that the pref wasn't properly set/transferred for the OP from previous after his upgrade - pretty sure mine wasn't either, but as stated I always go back and double check pref settings after an upgrade so on initial usage I didn't have an issue...but I may have prevented that myself. True. But when you set for download manager to open in SM 1.1.18 it opens Download Manager once set. ON SM regardless of what is set. the Download Manager doesn't open on it own. You have to open it. The auto open for download Manager is broken. Broken on 2.0? I hadn't noticed...but I 'll give it a try and see. just checked...nope - it's not broken on my iMac G5 running OS 10.5.6 and SM 2.0. If I select open Download Manager in the Downloads Pref, the Download Manager opens automatically when I start a download. When I return to open a Progress Dialog I get that back. BTW - the buttons on the Download Manager are too stinking small too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference__Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. I thought that wasn't a default in 1.1.18 either? - i.e.; if you do a fresh install, you get nothing until you set the Pref for what you want to do for Downloads. My thought was/is that the pref wasn't properly set/transferred for the OP from previous after his upgrade - pretty sure mine wasn't either, but as stated I always go back and double check pref settings after an upgrade so on initial usage I didn't have an issue...but I may have prevented that myself. True. But when you set for download manager to open in SM 1.1.18 it opens Download Manager once set. ON SM regardless of what is set. the Download Manager doesn't open on it own. You have to open it. The auto open for download Manager is broken. Broken on 2.0? I hadn't noticed...but I 'll give it a try and see. Found the problem go to about:cofig the following line should be: default userset browser.download.manager.showWhenStarting;true despite being set properly in preferences you will see: *userset* *browser*.*download*.*manager*.*showWhenStarting*;*false* -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones schrieb: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. In my 2.0.1pre builds, it always comes up (or is flashed to get attention when it is already open). I was under the impression that this is our default, and it should be, IMHO. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. I thought that wasn't a default in 1.1.18 either? - i.e.; if you do a fresh install, you get nothing until you set the Pref for what you want to do for Downloads. My thought was/is that the pref wasn't properly set/transferred for the OP from previous after his upgrade - pretty sure mine wasn't either, but as stated I always go back and double check pref settings after an upgrade so on initial usage I didn't have an issue...but I may have prevented that myself. True. But when you set for download manager to open in SM 1.1.18 it opens Download Manager once set. ON SM regardless of what is set. the Download Manager doesn't open on it own. You have to open it. The auto open for download Manager is broken. Broken on 2.0? I hadn't noticed...but I 'll give it a try and see. Found the problem go to about:cofig the following line should be: default userset browser.download.manager.showWhenStarting;true despite being set properly in preferences you will see: *userset* *browser*.*download*.*manager*.*showWhenStarting*;*false* Actually, that's not at all what I see. I reset it in Preferences, and the pref shows True in about:config. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. Download manager does come up regardless of what you set. You have to manually open Download Manager. in 1.1.18 and below if something was started to download the Download Manager would come to the Front if you had to show Download Manager in preferences. Should be: in SM2 Download Manager does *not* come up regardless of what is set. It has to be manually opened. IN SM 1.1.18 if _Preference_ _Download_ was set to *open* _Download_ _Manager_ then as soon as a download began it popped to the front. ...well...yeah... What was mean by my comment is that the preference to make download Manager open as soon as a download starts is broken in SM2. the proper operation is as SM 1.1.18 does it. I thought that wasn't a default in 1.1.18 either? - i.e.; if you do a fresh install, you get nothing until you set the Pref for what you want to do for Downloads. My thought was/is that the pref wasn't properly set/transferred for the OP from previous after his upgrade - pretty sure mine wasn't either, but as stated I always go back and double check pref settings after an upgrade so on initial usage I didn't have an issue...but I may have prevented that myself. True. But when you set for download manager to open in SM 1.1.18 it opens Download Manager once set. ON SM regardless of what is set. the Download Manager doesn't open on it own. You have to open it. The auto open for download Manager is broken. Broken on 2.0? I hadn't noticed...but I 'll give it a try and see. Found the problem go to about:cofig the following line should be: default userset browser.download.manager.showWhenStarting;true despite being set properly in preferences you will see: *userset* *browser*.*download*.*manager*.*showWhenStarting*;*false* Actually, that's not at all what I see. I reset it in Preferences, and the pref shows True in about:config. Lee If you reset it that what it should be. In mine before changing it was false. I noticed when I first download the first update for 2.0. when I was using the RC candidate there was a pause a hiccup if you will in the download. That's the one I am using now. I'm wondering if there was problem with it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:11:35 -0800, Rufus wrote: too...what's up with the interface guys working this project?.. Unlike Firefox we don't have any UX guys (paid or unpaid) working on this project. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser No offense taken. Not in SM2. In SM 1 yes. The Download manger doesn't even let you know anything is going on until The the dmg starts opening. You actually have to manually open the Download Manager to see what's going on even if you have set in Preferences Downloads open Download Manager You actually have option to open Download Manger or Progress Dialog. neither shows up. Unless you set this config to true. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. No it's not: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/browser/browser-prefs.js#103 One could get that impression, though, because the checkbox logic in the Downloads pref panel is falsely reversed: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/common/pref/pref-download.xul#55 Filed bug 533087, should be fixed for 2.0.2 the latest. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser Its set to false for me as well. I'm quite sure I did nothing to reset it, something to look into. lee I'm pretty sure that when I installed 2.0 the Pref for what to do with Downloads were defaulted to not being set to anything...but I generally go into the Prefs and check/reset mine in total anytime I install any software - so I never had an issue, as I simply set mine to open a progress dialog after install. ...the buttons in the new 2.0 Progress Dialog suck...way too small. They REALLY suck on a laptop if you're trying to use a touch pad. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
