Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0

2009-11-17 Thread Bill Davidsen

Phillip Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 
2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are 
allowed to
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the 
option to
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text 
mode to
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and 
let you

decide.


To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be 
given

the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other
option, it is just a new alternative.

Greetings,

Jens






The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a 
newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text.


If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd 
switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format.


In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in.

I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was 
built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text.


Since I don't see a setting for that at the newsgroup level, I assume that I 
still need to have two profiles, and have two entries for the server, one for 
groups which allow, even encourage it, and a totally separate one for the text 
groups. Does that sound like a convenient user interface or what?


Or you can set the whole server to HTML posting, forget half the time, and piss 
off most of your readers.


Well, at least it is a deliberately chosen limitation not a bug.

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Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0

2009-11-17 Thread Phillip Jones

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM
2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are
allowed to
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the
option to
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text
mode to
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and
let you
decide.


To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be
given
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other
option, it is just a new alternative.

Greetings,

Jens






The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a
newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text.

If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd
switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format.

In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in.

I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was
built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text.


Since I don't see a setting for that at the newsgroup level, I assume that I
still need to have two profiles, and have two entries for the server, one for
groups which allow, even encourage it, and a totally separate one for the text
groups. Does that sound like a convenient user interface or what?

Or you can set the whole server to HTML posting, forget half the time, and piss
off most of your readers.

Well, at least it is a deliberately chosen limitation not a bug.


I'm old and Cranky but I am not that senile yet ;)

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Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread Bill Davidsen

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are 
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under 
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It 
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to 
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to 
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to 
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you 
decide.



To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other 
option, it is just a new alternative.


Greetings,

Jens




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Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread Phillip Jones

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you
decide.


To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other
option, it is just a new alternative.

Greetings,

Jens






The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a 
newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text.


If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd 
switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format.


In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in.

I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was 
built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text.


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SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0

2009-11-12 Thread Arnie Goetchius
The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to 
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help 
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:


If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients 
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert 
the message to a different format when you click Send:


1.   In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2.   Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
  submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the 
Options menu in 2.0. To compose in HTML for a single message, click on 
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given 
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML

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