HTML/Sig Delimiters (was: Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?)

2015-03-25 Thread Daniel 

On 25/03/15 09:20, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ant wrote:

Well, that is interesting. I usually send plain text anyway, and only
occasionally send HTML, so may not have noticed a change. Just tried a
couple of experiments:

1. Start a message in HTML format (shift+click compose, since I have it
default to plain text), type a short message but don't actually apply
any formatting and click send. It sends as plain text without prompting.


OK, sounds like mine.



2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or
both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't make
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors,
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML?


I can confirm that - setting some paragraphs left, centred, right or
justified (even mixing all of these in a single email) but not applying
any other formatting leads to the message being sent as plain text
without prompting.


Is this a bug?


It's not really my call any more than yours, but I'd say it is.

My guess is that someone complained about the prompt saying "you used
formatting (e.g. colours)..." even if no formatting has been applied,
and the solution was to detect whether any formatting has been applied
and just send as plain text if not. Looks like that's a bit flawed
though, in not checking for paragraph alignment formatting!

Are you familiar with Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/)? It's not
that difficult once you know your way around. The main complication is
that SeaMonkey isn't on the main page for reporting a new issue - you
have to go to File a Bug > Other Products > SeaMonkey, then it's fairly
straightforward. Post back if you get stuck and I'll be happy to help.
In fact, it would be useful if you could post back anyway with the bug
number, so anyone else coming across this thread knows about it.

As for a workaround until its fixed - perhaps just add a space at the
end and make it bold or something. You can do that in a signature to
avoid having to remember every time - Edit > Account Settings > (Select
Account) > Tick "Use HTML" next to "Signature text", and in the box just
below enter or add to any existing signature "
" (there's a space in the middle between ">" and "<"). It's not
perfect, as it inserts a signature delimiter (-- ) if you weren't using
a signature anyway, but at least the alignment isn't lost.

Mark.


Speaking about HTML and sig delimiters, there was a problem of the sig 
delimiter being with-in the HTML, so, when that post/e-mail was quoted, 
the sig was not getting removed.


Has that problem been fixed yet??

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-25 Thread Ant 

2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or
both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't
make
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors,
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML?


I can confirm that - setting some paragraphs left, centred, right or
justified (even mixing all of these in a single email) but not applying
any other formatting leads to the message being sent as plain text
without prompting.


Is this a bug?


It's not really my call any more than yours, but I'd say it is.

My guess is that someone complained about the prompt saying "you used
formatting (e.g. colours)..." even if no formatting has been applied,
and the solution was to detect whether any formatting has been applied
and just send as plain text if not. Looks like that's a bit flawed
though, in not checking for paragraph alignment formatting!

Are you familiar with Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/)? It's not
that difficult once you know your way around. The main complication is
that SeaMonkey isn't on the main page for reporting a new issue - you
have to go to File a Bug > Other Products > SeaMonkey, then it's fairly
straightforward. Post back if you get stuck and I'll be happy to help.
In fact, it would be useful if you could post back anyway with the bug
number, so anyone else coming across this thread knows about it.

As for a workaround until its fixed - perhaps just add a space at the
end and make it bold or something. You can do that in a signature to
avoid having to remember every time - Edit > Account Settings > (Select
Account) > Tick "Use HTML" next to "Signature text", and in the box just
below enter or add to any existing signature "
" (there's a space in the middle between ">" and "<"). It's not
perfect, as it inserts a signature delimiter (-- ) if you weren't using
a signature anyway, but at least the alignment isn't lost.


Thank you for confirming that it is not just me. I wonder if there is
a bug report already. Hmm!

Your specific auto-detect issue:-


Bug 389417 -Options | Delivery Format | Auto-Detect: Setting Format |
Paragraph | Preformat () for selected paragraphs does not force
HTML Mail Question, and  formatting is lost

Tracker bug for all auto-detect issues:-



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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-25 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour 

Ant wrote on 25/03/15 06:47:

2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or
both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't 
make

any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors,
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML?


I can confirm that - setting some paragraphs left, centred, right or
justified (even mixing all of these in a single email) but not applying
any other formatting leads to the message being sent as plain text
without prompting.


Is this a bug?


It's not really my call any more than yours, but I'd say it is.

My guess is that someone complained about the prompt saying "you used
formatting (e.g. colours)..." even if no formatting has been applied,
and the solution was to detect whether any formatting has been applied
and just send as plain text if not. Looks like that's a bit flawed
though, in not checking for paragraph alignment formatting!

Are you familiar with Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/)? It's not
that difficult once you know your way around. The main complication is
that SeaMonkey isn't on the main page for reporting a new issue - you
have to go to File a Bug > Other Products > SeaMonkey, then it's fairly
straightforward. Post back if you get stuck and I'll be happy to help.
In fact, it would be useful if you could post back anyway with the bug
number, so anyone else coming across this thread knows about it.

As for a workaround until its fixed - perhaps just add a space at the
end and make it bold or something. You can do that in a signature to
avoid having to remember every time - Edit > Account Settings > (Select
Account) > Tick "Use HTML" next to "Signature text", and in the box just
below enter or add to any existing signature "
" (there's a space in the middle between ">" and "<"). It's not
perfect, as it inserts a signature delimiter (-- ) if you weren't using
a signature anyway, but at least the alignment isn't lost.


Thank you for confirming that it is not just me. I wonder if there is 
a bug report already. Hmm!

Your specific auto-detect issue:-


Bug 389417 -Options | Delivery Format | Auto-Detect: Setting Format | 
Paragraph | Preformat () for selected paragraphs does not force 
HTML Mail Question, and  formatting is lost


Tracker bug for all auto-detect issues:-


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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-24 Thread Ant 

2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or
both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't make
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors,
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML?


I can confirm that - setting some paragraphs left, centred, right or
justified (even mixing all of these in a single email) but not applying
any other formatting leads to the message being sent as plain text
without prompting.


Is this a bug?


It's not really my call any more than yours, but I'd say it is.

My guess is that someone complained about the prompt saying "you used
formatting (e.g. colours)..." even if no formatting has been applied,
and the solution was to detect whether any formatting has been applied
and just send as plain text if not. Looks like that's a bit flawed
though, in not checking for paragraph alignment formatting!

Are you familiar with Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/)? It's not
that difficult once you know your way around. The main complication is
that SeaMonkey isn't on the main page for reporting a new issue - you
have to go to File a Bug > Other Products > SeaMonkey, then it's fairly
straightforward. Post back if you get stuck and I'll be happy to help.
In fact, it would be useful if you could post back anyway with the bug
number, so anyone else coming across this thread knows about it.

As for a workaround until its fixed - perhaps just add a space at the
end and make it bold or something. You can do that in a signature to
avoid having to remember every time - Edit > Account Settings > (Select
Account) > Tick "Use HTML" next to "Signature text", and in the box just
below enter or add to any existing signature "
" (there's a space in the middle between ">" and "<"). It's not
perfect, as it inserts a signature delimiter (-- ) if you weren't using
a signature anyway, but at least the alignment isn't lost.


Thank you for confirming that it is not just me. I wonder if there is a 
bug report already. Hmm!

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-24 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Ant wrote:

Well, that is interesting. I usually send plain text anyway, and only
occasionally send HTML, so may not have noticed a change. Just tried a
couple of experiments:

1. Start a message in HTML format (shift+click compose, since I have it
default to plain text), type a short message but don't actually apply
any formatting and click send. It sends as plain text without prompting.


OK, sounds like mine.



2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or
both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't make
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors,
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML?


I can confirm that - setting some paragraphs left, centred, right or 
justified (even mixing all of these in a single email) but not applying 
any other formatting leads to the message being sent as plain text 
without prompting.



Is this a bug?


It's not really my call any more than yours, but I'd say it is.

My guess is that someone complained about the prompt saying "you used 
formatting (e.g. colours)..." even if no formatting has been applied, 
and the solution was to detect whether any formatting has been applied 
and just send as plain text if not. Looks like that's a bit flawed 
though, in not checking for paragraph alignment formatting!


Are you familiar with Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/)? It's not 
that difficult once you know your way around. The main complication is 
that SeaMonkey isn't on the main page for reporting a new issue - you 
have to go to File a Bug > Other Products > SeaMonkey, then it's fairly 
straightforward. Post back if you get stuck and I'll be happy to help. 
In fact, it would be useful if you could post back anyway with the bug 
number, so anyone else coming across this thread knows about it.


As for a workaround until its fixed - perhaps just add a space at the 
end and make it bold or something. You can do that in a signature to 
avoid having to remember every time - Edit > Account Settings > (Select 
Account) > Tick "Use HTML" next to "Signature text", and in the box just 
below enter or add to any existing signature " 
" (there's a space in the middle between ">" and "<"). It's not 
perfect, as it inserts a signature delimiter (-- ) if you weren't using 
a signature anyway, but at least the alignment isn't lost.


Mark.

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-23 Thread Ant 

Well, that is interesting. I usually send plain text anyway, and only
occasionally send HTML, so may not have noticed a change. Just tried a
couple of experiments:

1. Start a message in HTML format (shift+click compose, since I have it
default to plain text), type a short message but don't actually apply
any formatting and click send. It sends as plain text without prompting.


OK, sounds like mine.



2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or both.

So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't make
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


The only thing I changed was the formatting like centering a 
section/paragraph. Now, I see the issue now. If I don't change colors, 
bold or anything like that, then it goes back to plain text! Why can't 
formatting a paragraph/section keep it as HTML? Is this a bug?

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-23 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Ant wrote:

I have a strange issue. My SeaMonkey v2.33's e-mail composer keeps
sending in plain text format when I am sending a HTML formatted e-mail
to an address not listed in the Preferences' list and addressbooks. Am I
missing something? Or did I run into a bug?


What do you have in Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Send
Format? It sounds like that may be set to "Convert the message to plain
text". Or perhaps some of the domains you're sending to are listed under
"plain text domains".


"Ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose a format)" and no domains
listed in both lists.


Same as me then.


You probably want either "Ask me what to do" (you'll get prompted every
time you send an HTML message) or "Send the message in both plain text
and HTML" (so anyone reading as plain text get a reasonably readable
version).


If I have it in HTML format, then shouldn't it just send in HTML format
due to no domains.


I think it should prompt. The recipient is not listed as being able to 
receive HTML (no preferred format specified in the address book, and 
domain is not listed under HTML domains) and your option for that 
scenario is "ask me what to do". If the recipient was in your address 
book and set as preferring HTML format, or their domain was in the list 
for HTML, then I think it should just send as HTML without prompting.



However, it never asks me what to do. Note these are
NEW e-mails sent to e-mail addressess not listed in my addressbooks and
domain lists.


Well, that is interesting. I usually send plain text anyway, and only 
occasionally send HTML, so may not have noticed a change. Just tried a 
couple of experiments:


1. Start a message in HTML format (shift+click compose, since I have it 
default to plain text), type a short message but don't actually apply 
any formatting and click send. It sends as plain text without prompting.


2. Start a message in HTML format, type a message, colour one word red 
and click send. It prompts for whether to send as plain text, HTML or both.


So it looks like it automatically sends as plain text if you don't make 
any use of HTML formatting. Does that match your experience? Or is it 
discarding formatting even if you have applied some?


Mark.

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-22 Thread Ant 

I have a strange issue. My SeaMonkey v2.33's e-mail composer keeps
sending in plain text format when I am sending a HTML formatted e-mail
to an address not listed in the Preferences' list and addressbooks. Am I
missing something? Or did I run into a bug?


What do you have in Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Send
Format? It sounds like that may be set to "Convert the message to plain
text". Or perhaps some of the domains you're sending to are listed under
"plain text domains".


"Ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose a format)" and no domains 
listed in both lists.




You probably want either "Ask me what to do" (you'll get prompted every
time you send an HTML message) or "Send the message in both plain text
and HTML" (so anyone reading as plain text get a reasonably readable
version).


If I have it in HTML format, then shouldn't it just send in HTML format 
due to no domains. However, it never asks me what to do. Note these are 
NEW e-mails sent to e-mail addressess not listed in my addressbooks and 
domain lists.

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Re: Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-22 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Ant wrote:

Hello.

I have a strange issue. My SeaMonkey v2.33's e-mail composer keeps
sending in plain text format when I am sending a HTML formatted e-mail
to an address not listed in the Preferences' list and addressbooks. Am I
missing something? Or did I run into a bug?


What do you have in Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Send 
Format? It sounds like that may be set to "Convert the message to plain 
text". Or perhaps some of the domains you're sending to are listed under 
"plain text domains".


You probably want either "Ask me what to do" (you'll get prompted every 
time you send an HTML message) or "Send the message in both plain text 
and HTML" (so anyone reading as plain text get a reasonably readable 
version).


Mark.

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Sending a new HTML e-mail reverts back to plain text?

2015-03-22 Thread Ant 

Hello.

I have a strange issue. My SeaMonkey v2.33's e-mail composer keeps 
sending in plain text format when I am sending a HTML formatted e-mail 
to an address not listed in the Preferences' list and addressbooks. Am I 
missing something? Or did I run into a bug?


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