Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
THANKS, ronnie,ray,ed ... these explanations all add up to a clear description. (but i can't find Edit Rewrap)... thanks, jake ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
jake wrote: THANKS, ronnie,ray,ed ... these explanations all add up to a clear description. (but i can't find Edit Rewrap)... thanks, jake Only available in a mail composition window. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
Daniel wrote: 1 *Top Posting* where you position your text at the very top of the reply ... generally useful in a one-on-one situation, i.e. in an e-mail. 2 *Bottom Posting* where you add your contributions after all that has gone before useful, IMHO, where there might be several replies to your post before you read the replies, i.e. in a newsgroup! 3. *Interspersed* where you add your comments after each paragraph or after each question. Top, bottom and interspersed are for replies to a previous post. If that previous post is a simple question or statement, and you top post, your reply, the original question and your reply will probably both be visible on the page. But, someone else reading your reply will see the answer before the question. Where it gets difficult to read is where the original post is lengthy, and you left it all in your reply, and you top posted to one element of the original post. In that case, the reader reads your answer and than must go looking for the question you are replying to. My suggestion is to recognize that you are trying to carry on a conversation, and format your reply accordingly. After you click reply, the first thing to do is eliminate everything that you are not going to reply to. This is called trimming. Then format what is left of the original post into a form where you can reply to the individual elements as if you were carrying on a conversation, which you are. Edit Rewrap helps here. Then insert your replies so that your post will read question, answer, question, answer,,,. But that's just my opinion. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
Ray Davison wrote: Daniel wrote: 1 *Top Posting* where you position your text at the very top of the reply ... generally useful in a one-on-one situation, i.e. in an e-mail. 2 *Bottom Posting* where you add your contributions after all that has gone before useful, IMHO, where there might be several replies to your post before you read the replies, i.e. in a newsgroup! 3. *Interspersed* where you add your comments after each paragraph or after each question. Top, bottom and interspersed are for replies to a previous post. If that previous post is a simple question or statement, and you top post, your reply, the original question and your reply will probably both be visible on the page. But, someone else reading your reply will see the answer before the question. Where it gets difficult to read is where the original post is lengthy, and you left it all in your reply, and you top posted to one element of the original post. In that case, the reader reads your answer and than must go looking for the question you are replying to. My suggestion is to recognize that you are trying to carry on a conversation, and format your reply accordingly. After you click reply, the first thing to do is eliminate everything that you are not going to reply to. This is called trimming. Then format what is left of the original post into a form where you can reply to the individual elements as if you were carrying on a conversation, which you are. Edit Rewrap helps here. Then insert your replies so that your post will read question, answer, question, answer,,,. But that's just my opinion. Ray +1 I complete agree with your, Ray regards, -- Gertjan DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE! User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 Build identifier: 20150321194827 File: libflashplayer.so Path: /home/gerardjan/Downloads/seamonkey/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version: 11.2.202.442 State: Enabled Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
jake wrote on 4/11/2015 6:14 AM: Lord, will you guys PLEASE figure out if you're gonna top-post or bottom-post? Ed and Ronnie. will you guys please clarify what top-posting and bottom-posting are? I don't believe i'm exceptionally stupid, but i can't find any instructions how to do it, what i would like to do is to post as a reply, not as a new topic, without re-re-quoting the original post.but I'm putting in this question as a 'new topic' not as a 'reply' because the discussion about top-or-bottom-posting had been headed Question about seamonkey's life-plans so the subject doesn't seem relevant to the title .. Jake W http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just for today, I will not sit in my living room all day in my underwear. Instead, I will move my computer into the bedroom. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
jake wrote: Lord, will you guys PLEASE figure out if you're gonna top-post or bottom-post? Ed and Ronnie. will you guys please clarify what top-posting and bottom-posting are? I don't believe i'm exceptionally stupid, but i can't find any instructions how to do it, what i would like to do is to post as a reply, not as a new topic, without re-re-quoting the original post.but I'm putting in this question as a 'new topic' not as a 'reply' because the discussion about top-or-bottom-posting had been headed Question about seamonkey's life-plans so the subject doesn't seem relevant to the title .. Jake W Select the mail or newsgroup account, click View settings for this account, select Composition Addressing, under *Composition* look for Automatically quote the original message when replying, set Then to start my reply below the quote for newsgroup posting. Daniel explained all the options, but you might want to have a look at the Forum rules. [Mozilla Forum Etiquette — Mozilla](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/forums/etiquette/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
On 11/04/15 20:14, jake wrote: Lord, will you guys PLEASE figure out if you're gonna top-post or bottom-post? Ed and Ronnie. will you guys please clarify what top-posting and bottom-posting are? I don't believe i'm exceptionally stupid, but i can't find any instructions how to do it, what i would like to do is to post as a reply, not as a new topic, without re-re-quoting the original post.but I'm putting in this question as a 'new topic' not as a 'reply' because the discussion about top-or-bottom-posting had been headed Question about seamonkey's life-plans so the subject doesn't seem relevant to the title .. Jake W Jake there are, basically, three ways that you can format your reply to a post here or to an e-mail 1 *Top Posting* where you position your text at the very top of the reply ... generally useful in a one-on-one situation, i.e. in an e-mail. 2 *Bottom Posting* where you add your contributions after all that has gone before useful, IMHO, where there might be several replies to your post before you read the replies, i.e. in a newsgroup! 3. *Interspersed* where you add your comments after each paragraph or after each question. HTH!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.33 Build identifier: 20150215202114 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
Lord, will you guys PLEASE figure out if you're gonna top-post or bottom-post? Ed and Ronnie. will you guys please clarify what top-posting and bottom-posting are? I don't believe i'm exceptionally stupid, but i can't find any instructions how to do it, what i would like to do is to post as a reply, not as a new topic, without re-re-quoting the original post.but I'm putting in this question as a 'new topic' not as a 'reply' because the discussion about top-or-bottom-posting had been headed Question about seamonkey's life-plans so the subject doesn't seem relevant to the title .. Jake W ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are 'top-posting' and bottom-posting' ?
Ray Davidson wrote on 4/11/2015 3:54 PM: Daniel wrote: 1 *Top Posting* where you position your text at the very top of the reply ... generally useful in a one-on-one situation, i.e. in an e-mail. 2 *Bottom Posting* where you add your contributions after all that has gone before useful, IMHO, where there might be several replies to your post before you read the replies, i.e. in a newsgroup! 3. *Interspersed* where you add your comments after each paragraph or after each question. Top, bottom and interspersed are for replies to a previous post. If that previous post is a simple question or statement, and you top post, your reply, the original question and your reply will probably both be visible on the page. But, someone else reading your reply will see the answer before the question. Where it gets difficult to read is where the original post is lengthy, and you left it all in your reply, and you top posted to one element of the original post. In that case, the reader reads your answer and than must go looking for the question you are replying to. My suggestion is to recognize that you are trying to carry on a conversation, and format your reply accordingly. After you click reply, the first thing to do is eliminate everything that you are not going to reply to. This is called trimming. Then format what is left of the original post into a form where you can reply to the individual elements as if you were carrying on a conversation, which you are. Edit Rewrap helps here. Then insert your replies so that your post will read question, answer, question, answer,,,. But that's just my opinion. Ray The irritation comes in when people in a group do not follow what has become accepted as convention for that group. In the Mozilla groups it has long been convention to intersperse and bottom post. All these top posts lately are driving me crazy because my habit is to click the space bar to go to the next unread post and hit END to jump to (what I think should be) the reply. Horribly annoying for newbies to be doing this. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why are builders afraid to have a 13th floor but book publishers aren't afraid to have Chapter 11? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: top-posting
And some continue to post non-support topics in support forums/newsgroups. Subscribe to mozilla.general. On 01/21/2012 02:35 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Some of us routinely clip!-) And such replies I routinely read :-) Philip Taylor -- Thunderbird Beta ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: And if you'd like to see what has been written previously, so that you don't wind up simply repeating what has already been written by someone else, more than one screen back? :-D ? By definition, I have /already/ seen it, since the current message is a reply to it, or a reply to a reply to it, or whatever. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Some of us routinely clip!-) And such replies I routinely read :-) Philip Taylor And if you'd like to see what has been written previously, so that you don't wind up simply repeating what has already been written by someone else, more than one screen back? :-D ? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: top-posting
Chris Ilias wrote: As I said, requests about format take focus away from helping people use SeaMonkey. In other words, top-posting vs bottom-posting debates are off-topic and don't belong here. They always end up turning into long pissing matches, and no-one ever changes their opinion. So please take this debate somewhere else, thanks. Well, yes. But 'nature calls' and we all need to relieve ourselves. And for some of us nature strikes with an urgency. :-D Although the resulting stream may be quite weak or just a dribble. -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. Hi Pat, I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below. Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here. Message content is much more important than message format. So long as your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML. Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Joe32065 wrote: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Exactly, and more logical for a support forum as well. Joe32065 wrote: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. Hi Pat, I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below. Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here. Message content is much more important than message format. So long as your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML. Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I realize I am in the minority but I agree. See remark at bottom also. Joe32065 wrote: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. Hi Pat, I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below. Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here. Message content is much more important than message format. So long as your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML. Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :) I realize I am in the minority but I agree. See remark at top also. W. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR wrote: Joe32065 wrote: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message. Philip Taylor Some of us routinely clip!-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rick Merrill wrote: Some of us routinely clip!-) And such replies I routinely read :-) Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-01-21 12:30 PM, _Joe32065_ spoke thusly: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Chris Ilias wrote: Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here. Message content is much more important than message format. So long as your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML. Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :) As I said, requests about format take focus away from helping people use SeaMonkey. In other words, top-posting vs bottom-posting debates are off-topic and don't belong here. They always end up turning into long pissing matches, and no-one ever changes their opinion. So please take this debate somewhere else, thanks. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR wrote: Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message. That's an argument for pruning, not for top-posting. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rick Merrill wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: Joe32065 wrote: If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster. Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message. Philip Taylor Some of us routinely clip!-) Disadvantage to that in a support setting is then last item tried to remedy a problem or suggestion is at the bottom. but then if everything is clipped then suggestions before are lost. So clipping in a Support situation is wrong as well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR wrote: --snip-- Interesting. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Pat Connors: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. --- Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Top-posting. What is the most annoying thing on usenet? --- I have found this in a signature many years ago, translated it to German and used it some years as my own signature. :) XPost Followup-To mozilla.general because of OT Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. See where your comment is? I do not like top-posting. It is on top of the part you were replying to. That's top-posting. Inline-posting (as I've done), or bottom-posting is preferred in these groups. You also shouldn't strip attributes. The somebody wrote bits. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. Top posting is where the post have in more logical order for answering questions where the latest aswer is at top of page so that answers previously sent, are not repeated. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: top-posting
On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote: what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to get some help. I do not like top-posting. Hi Pat, I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below. Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here. Message content is much more important than message format. So long as your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML. Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :) -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
