[ SOLVED ] Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
Paul Bergsagel wrote on 03-09-20 04:33: Lemuel Johnson wrote: On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) Well, yes. The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule: overflow: -moz-scrollbars-none; If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that. Lem Johnson Maybe this is to passively "force" users not to use SeaMonkey. NO ... I had contacted the registar of the site who pass my mail (explaining what Lemuel Johnson had discovered) to the webmaster of the site AND HE SOLVED the problem.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Lemuel Johnson wrote: On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) Well, yes. The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule: overflow: -moz-scrollbars-none; If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that. Lem Johnson Maybe this is to passively "force" users not to use SeaMonkey. Survey Monkey may be wanting to reduce the number of browsers they have to test their web page with so they make the web page display incorrectly for any other browser than Chrome (chrome variations also) or Firefox. The hope is that users will switch to either a Chrome variation or Firefox. This tactic is not something I thought a professional company would use to reduce the number of browsers they need to test with their site. I had been thinking it looked fine for me, with SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on Linux Mint MATE. Then just realised that NoScript was blocking scripts from running. Allowing the scripts leads to the scrollbar disappearing. So seems to be something in their scripting that leads to the scrollbar being removed. Firefox 80.0 indicates that "-moz-scrollbars-none" is an invalid value for the "overflow" property. So presumably it works on Firefox because the newer version has dropped support for that Mozilla-specific value. Probably a case of SurveyMonkey having left that bit of CSS in following some other change, checking that it works OK on the latest Firefox, and not noticing the effect of the left-over CSS on older versions which still recognise it. You /might/ get somewhere reporting to SurveyMonkey that the latest Firefox indicates that this is an invalid value (and by the way, its presence happens to break the page on some other browsers they don't support, so getting rid of the invisible error in Firefox would also help users of those other browsers). But they probably don't care about underlying errors anyway as long as it looks OK on the limited set of browsers they test with, and almost certainly don't care if it doesn't work on "unsupported" browsers. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
Lemuel Johnson wrote: On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) Well, yes. The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule: overflow: -moz-scrollbars-none; If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that. Lem Johnson Maybe this is to passively "force" users not to use SeaMonkey. Survey Monkey may be wanting to reduce the number of browsers they have to test their web page with so they make the web page display incorrectly for any other browser than Chrome (chrome variations also) or Firefox. The hope is that users will switch to either a Chrome variation or Firefox. This tactic is not something I thought a professional company would use to reduce the number of browsers they need to test with their site. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) Well, yes. The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule: overflow: -moz-scrollbars-none; If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that. Lem Johnson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
On 9/2/20 9:35 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Richard Owlett wrote on 02-09-20 15:10: On 09/02/2020 07:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) https://validator.w3.org/ reports > 20 warnings and > 100 errors. But Google Chrome can cope with it :-) My: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3 AND I notice that the page load with the vertical scroll-bar who vanished by going to the right until it is outside the window, so inaccessible :-) I'm see the same in my SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on Linux. The Page Down/Page Up and arrow keys still work, but the mouse scroll wheel doesn't. I don't have any extensions, so trying safe mode probably won't help. I noticed a difference between the site in SM and Firefox. The page heading in SeaMonkey "Polituque relative aux cookies" is all on one line. In Firefox it is two lines with "cookies" on the second line. -- OS: Ubuntu Linux 18.04LTS - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
Richard Owlett wrote on 02-09-20 15:10: On 09/02/2020 07:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) https://validator.w3.org/ reports > 20 warnings and > 100 errors. But Google Chrome can cope with it :-) My: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3 AND I notice that the page load with the vertical scroll-bar who vanished by going to the right until it is outside the window, so inaccessible :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No vertical scroll bar ...
On 09/02/2020 07:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote: No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) https://validator.w3.org/ reports > 20 warnings and > 100 errors. But SeaMonkey 2.49.4 shows vertical scroll bare properly.> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 Build identifier: 20180711182954 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
No vertical scroll bar ...
No vertical scroll bar ... https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/ Works ok with Google Chrome. Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why no thumb in vertical scroll bar?
fm wrote: A thumb is useful in synching text in long files with TextWrangler (edit HTML in TW; read in SM). I miss it! fm, I guess you are talking here about using finger jesturs on a modern 'phone, right?? Sorry, I just use my 'phone for 'phone calls, so don't know why or why not! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130418192405 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.20 Build identifier: 20130709211044 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Why no thumb in vertical scroll bar?
A thumb is useful in synching text in long files with TextWrangler (edit HTML in TW; read in SM). I miss it! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 6:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil That has no effect for SeaMonkey 2.9.1. Both the keyboard arrow keys and the arrow buttons at the top and bottom of the vertical scroll bar cause scrolling by 3 or more lines. This is another change to the user interface in Gecko or Toolkit that did not address any actual software error. Furthermore, I do not believe any users really requested this. Instead, the developers apparently did this to make Mozilla browsers more like IE, Chrome, and Opera. If I wanted a browser more like one of those, I would download and install it. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 6:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil That has no effect for SeaMonkey 2.9.1. Both the keyboard arrow keys and the arrow buttons at the top and bottom of the vertical scroll bar cause scrolling by 3 or more lines. This is another change to the user interface in Gecko or Toolkit that did not address any actual software error. Furthermore, I do not believe any users really requested this. Instead, the developers apparently did this to make Mozilla browsers more like IE, Chrome, and Opera. If I wanted a browser more like one of those, I would download and install it. I think they have been right doing that, I have puzzled eg. with Opera on /openbox/ in *fedora16* and did not download /chrome/ yet. The 2.8 version on *fedora16* is really weird, look at hhtp://vinkesteijn.info/Screenshot.png Why does it ask me to load in languages all the time?!? So I stay on using the latest build versions, now 2.12a1 and it all the updates go automatically, on Windows7 I am very carefull, because I do not have a good virus protection yet there. Why not, would you ask, because I have MD and my daughter, Miriam (like my son David has also an american passport), takes care of all my finances, a MD patient can from time to time telephone too much and has not enough selfcontrol to have a creditcard and just buy a good virusprotector, like I did in 2010, the year my southern baptist mother Annie (yes! not kidding) died on euthanasia in my arms. Miriam has a very friendly black labrador, good trained well behaved. But MD is a genetic decease you might think. My kids, however, have had a very tough growing up with a very good mother: Margo Van Den Ende Mol, born Meier and her father, Klaas Van Den Ende, was wrong during the second worldwar (he served with the Military Police, Marechaussee). Something like that was the case with my father. So, now I bothered you with my own secrets, sorry about that sincerely -- ~Vink ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
vertical scroll bar
Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 8:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. I have submitted bug #751582. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 8:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. I have submitted bug #751582. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582. Seems to be ok in the Mac version, but what I have noticed is that in my installations with OS 10.6.8 (SnoLep) using the SM Modern Theme that sometimes the window scroll *arrows* are not displayed on launch even though the rest of the window(s) are displayed normally - closing SM and relaunching usually solves the issue and gets me the scroll arrows displayed (and working) as they should be. I think they're supposed to be removed under 10.7.3 (Lion), but I'm not 100% certain of that - I know I don't get them in Finder widows...and I'm not happy with Lion about that. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 04/05/2012 09:43, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Ah you're talking about the scrollbar buttons. In that case it's Bug 751476 - The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
Philip Chee wrote: On 04/05/2012 09:43, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Ah you're talking about the scrollbar buttons. In that case it's Bug 751476 - The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 Phil I've added comment 3 to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582, as I'm seeing down arrow variations in SM 2.8. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 05/03/2012 06:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil You invent that in 2.9.x, or did you it manually? I find no 'toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance' in SeaMonkey 2.9.1 or FireFox 12. Perhaps it was/is in the version that you are reporting using? User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.20pre) Gecko/20110606 Lightning/1.0b2pre SeaMonkey/2.0.15pre Not likely. But I did find it in 'FireFox 14.0a1 (2012-03-24)'. And checking https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 I see: In Firefox 13+, if you set toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance to 1, the... If you are going to comment on an issue for SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 as the OP is discussing, then it would be quite helpful if you commented on the version discussed. Perhaps these are related? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance But if we check back a little further (follow the other referenced bug reports): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635645 [consider increasing the amount of scrolling performed by using the arrow keys] (Starting from comment 15 is interesting/telling...) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725700 [Keyboard arrow keys and scrollbar buttons should have consistent scrolling distances] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710373 [Pressing the vertical slider down arrow with smooth scrolling should move three lines instead of one] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=scrollbar+buttons It would be interesting to do a relation tree to all of these... Mozilla coordination efforts. And, no, I'm not wagging fingers at you and/or the SeaMonkey Volunteers. I think you guys do a fantastic job appreciate the effort (especially every 6 weeks :-). However, I do often find it fasinating tracking an issue from one reported, to the duplicate of this bug, to Please take this to the support forum or newsgroup. This is a verified fixed bug and commenting here unnecessarily spams a number of people who could be getting actual work done. etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
