Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
I happened to search for similar players some time ago. I found these: http://www.alcorn.com/products/8traxx/ http://www.brightsign.biz/index.php I was also looking at Egreat media players: http://www.egreatworld.com/cn/ ...for some reason the English page doesn't seem to open right now. Some of these require that you use Dolby Digital or DTS encoded multichannel. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Dave On 10 February 2013 10:32, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this disclaimer is redundant These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer Dave Malham Ex-Music Research Centre Department of Music The University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
perhaps.. a PC would better On 10 February 2013 11:16, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:09, Augustine Leudar wrote: Yes - for public venues - no museum/gallery etc is going to want their staff to be operating a computer - so for permanent multichannel audio installations, whether they be ambisonic or otherwise, a standalone device capable of playing multiple tracks simultaneously is the only option. So anyone know if I can load my 8 tracks onto the Allen and heath and then someone can just come in and press play and they will loop in sync all day ? On 10 February 2013 11:01, Dave Malham dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Dave On 10 February 2013 10:32, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this disclaimer is redundant These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer Dave Malham Ex-Music Research Centre Department of Music The University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/e312d1d7/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/3ead7754/attachment.html
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Still a market(?) for one with a low channel count and which can be used in groups with (?)GPS sync between them ... ... Go modular ... Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
There are standalone multichannel recorders from several manufacturers, such as this: http://www.joeco.co.uk/main/BBR_models.html And portable multichannel recorders such as this: http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t/images/ ...and even more channels from other manufacturers. The portables cost a lot. Also, the problem is that the recorders don't have analog (or digital) outputs from several channels, most of them only have a stereo monitor output. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/D2424LV_Mk2.shtml#2 dunno the price 24 analog out Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
The thing is I dont need a recorder but a playback device I have understood that. I was also looking for a similar playback device for an installation some time ago. As you see, there aren't too many, so I also looked at the recorders. - obviously devices that can record 8 channels can usually play them back as well Well, some of them can. Some need to be connect to a computer with a multichannel interface, which would be crazy in this case. I have decided to go the motu ultralite soundcard with a small rock solid computer setup up to automatically play 8 channels when the on button is pressed For certain that is a very good solution. Here's one more standalone recorder for you: http://www.alesis.com/hd24 There seems to be one for sale at EBay for 400 $. When I was planning the installation, I was preferably looking for a SD card or solid state memory player, which you could leave on loop playing for ever. The museum personnel or a timer could switch on just the speakers when needed. The playback reliablility is crucial. Otherwise you'll be running there to reset the system every now and then. Having said that, back in the years I made an installation that ran on three ADAT tape recorders using VHS tape. They kept on looping for three months in a row without any interruptions. Good luck with the installation. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
Thanks Eero , I know what you mean about reliability. I think if the computer is disconected from the internet with a stripped down operating system that isnt trying to update itself , connected to the internet or even without a keyboard mouse and monitor (so noone can fiddle) it should be ok. The problem is I need two sets of 8 channels in two separate rooms too far apart to connect via cabling - so I need two devices - otherwise it would make sense to get one 24 channel player as suggested - but as it is I need two 8 channel ones. On 10 February 2013 14:35, Eero Aro eero@dlc.fi wrote: The thing is I dont need a recorder but a playback device I have understood that. I was also looking for a similar playback device for an installation some time ago. As you see, there aren't too many, so I also looked at the recorders. - obviously devices that can record 8 channels can usually play them back as well Well, some of them can. Some need to be connect to a computer with a multichannel interface, which would be crazy in this case. I have decided to go the motu ultralite soundcard with a small rock solid computer setup up to automatically play 8 channels when the on button is pressed For certain that is a very good solution. Here's one more standalone recorder for you: http://www.alesis.com/hd24 There seems to be one for sale at EBay for 400 $. When I was planning the installation, I was preferably looking for a SD card or solid state memory player, which you could leave on loop playing for ever. The museum personnel or a timer could switch on just the speakers when needed. The playback reliablility is crucial. Otherwise you'll be running there to reset the system every now and then. Having said that, back in the years I made an installation that ran on three ADAT tape recorders using VHS tape. They kept on looping for three months in a row without any interruptions. Good luck with the installation. Eero __**_ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/**mailman/listinfo/sursoundhttps://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/51b61cf5/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
Hi, About Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone Le 10 févr. 2013 à 01:59, Augustine Leudar a écrit : that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). And you'll can sync many cards together to play more channel (in a next soft update). I found this card for the same problem... I don't buy it yet, so don't test. You can download manual in pdf here: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ICE16ProductId=ICE16 I found best price for this card in england, here: http://www.dv247.fr/invt/101818/ A voire ++ Alexandre -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/a91b288a/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
Thanks for that ! On 10 February 2013 16:57, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, About Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone Le 10 févr. 2013 à 01:59, Augustine Leudar a écrit : that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). And you'll can sync many cards together to play more channel (in a next soft update). I found this card for the same problem... I don't buy it yet, so don't test. You can download manual in pdf here: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ICE16ProductId=ICE16 I found best price for this card in england, here: http://www.dv247.fr/invt/101818/ A voire ++ Alexandre -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/a91b288a/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/93f96f11/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
i can only second the idea going mini mac. i have a piece for 12 channels, which i have shown several times over extended periods driven from am humbly mini mac g4, 1.42ghz (they are cheap now) with a simple maxpatch, opened automatically on startup in max runtime. OS was 10.4.1, which is slim enough to not trouble the machine, but still allows to set automatic start and shutdown times for the computer. for setup i use a vnc connection via ethernet from my laptop, so no need to bring a monitor or keyboard to the place. this was piped via into an echo audiofire12 interface. the only problems with this setup were occasionally cleaningwomen pulling the plug in the evening. for preparation of the files i used audacity to combine the individual into 12channel aiff files. works a treat. hth hans www.hans-w-koch.net Am 10.02.2013 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu: Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:16:04 + From: Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Message-ID: 3914ac68-7ce9-4e77-8d08-255888711...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
interesting Hans - I must admit I think the Allen and heath might be the best option at the moment if it can indeed loop the tracks . With regards to your setup - do you think this would be stable for years (as opposed to weeks or months) ? On 10 February 2013 18:02, hans w. koch koc...@netcologne.de wrote: i can only second the idea going mini mac. i have a piece for 12 channels, which i have shown several times over extended periods driven from am humbly mini mac g4, 1.42ghz (they are cheap now) with a simple maxpatch, opened automatically on startup in max runtime. OS was 10.4.1, which is slim enough to not trouble the machine, but still allows to set automatic start and shutdown times for the computer. for setup i use a vnc connection via ethernet from my laptop, so no need to bring a monitor or keyboard to the place. this was piped via into an echo audiofire12 interface. the only problems with this setup were occasionally cleaningwomen pulling the plug in the evening. for preparation of the files i used audacity to combine the individual into 12channel aiff files. works a treat. hth hans www.hans-w-koch.net Am 10.02.2013 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu: Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:16:04 + From: Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Message-ID: 3914ac68-7ce9-4e77-8d08-255888711...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/d5e24b94/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Jason and the Argon-nots
Eric Carmichel wrote: Greetings to All, Just a few thoughts regarding recent posts and the argon-filled sphere. Martin, I definitely boo-booed by suggesting the recording would be made in an all-argon atmosphere. But comparing the *sound* one might experience between the two conditions (air vs argon) might have been interesting. It gets worse. The sphere will be filled with liquid argon at about -190 deg C. For Canadians, like me, this is no big deal. ... If someone wished to do hyper-real sound design for sci-fi movies, he/she would have to consider how we might sound and hear in alien atmospheres. But I guess Captain Kirk wouldn't have appeared too manly had he started talking like Mickey Mouse while in a rarified environment. Actually, the ideas of echoes and sound on distant planets might be of value... one of these years. In the titles of the original Star Trek, as the Enterprise zooms past the camera it makes a whooshing sound. The makers knew that this was wrong -- that in space there would be no sound -- but they found that, without the whoosh, it just looked wrong. Quite often, hyper-real design appears unrealistic. This is presumably because it is completely outside the experience of the audience. Movies are entertainment, and there is a need to preserve the willing suspension of disbelief. Regards, Martin -- Martin J Leese E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
JoeCo Blackbox Player Up to 64 channels of 24/96. http://www.joeco.co.uk/main/BBP_introduction.html Sweetwater has it for US$3395. Front End Audio has it for US$3295. Or perhaps you could use two Tascam DR-680s recorders. They use SD cards and more than one can be sync'ed. Each one has six Line outputs and a S/PDIF coax output. They sell in the US for under $600. Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
