Re: [Sursound] Sound localisation techniques
I use 16 speakers in a dual hexagon(up and down). I think that spacing at 45 degrees will give good results. I also space the two on each of the r walls of the room. I think the corners are bad because of the time differential between the speakers i.e. length of the radius from the center. ThomasChen -Original Message- From: Augustine Leudar gustar...@gmail.com To: suso s...@mchapman.com; Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Thu, May 1, 2014 9:41 am Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound localisation techniques actually contact this guy he did exactly what you are saying in Max : http://www.romaindumaine.com/#/main also Nuendo new versions allow for it (amplitude panning based not ambisonics) Gus On 1 May 2014 17:35, Augustine Leudar gustar...@gmail.com wrote: I would use four at ear height or a bit lower even and four in the corners of the room or - a cube starting at ear height. However you could also mess around with some of the DBAP (distance based amplitude panning) max externals which let you tell the system where the speakers are and then pan around them - you can have all sorts of weird and irregular speaker arrays - no need to stay peripheral - depends what you want to do I guess: *http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/dbap-external/ http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/dbap-external/* by the way its easy to do exactly what you are suggesting with ICSTsambipanning~ or any panner which allows for multiple soundsources and recordable trajectories (automation) *. * enjoy ! Gus On 29 April 2014 05:09, Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com wrote: Hello all, I'm looking into experimenting with live 3D panning of sound tracks from a DAW. The tracks will not be in B-format as I do not have a soundfield mic. I have 8 identical M-audio AV 40 speakers which I will be driving through an interface and Max/MSP code ( http://www.icst.net/research/projects/ambisonics-tools/). The comment has already been made: You don't need a mic to make digital audio ... For ambisonics, anything other than first order must (almost) certainly have been created (with or without mics). I'm primarily interested in taking a mix for my speaker array and being able to tilt / rotate / reflect etc. all of the tracks simultaneously. That sounds like ambisonics, but I would (for ambisonics) phrase it as: Making a mix fo any speaker array, being able to tilt, etc., and being able to listen to the result on 'any' array ... including my own. - Any advice on speaker placement for 8 speakers in a small bedroom? I'm currently thinking the 6 corners of a cube and then left and right on the wall at ear level. Think we'd need to see the bedroom or at least hear about it Eight sounds like the corners of a cube (you mention six ... that would be the faces, and not as 'simple' to deal with (nor (?) anything like as good)). - Are ambisonics techniques the best/only way to do this given that I don't have B-format? Everyone with a computer 'has' B-format ;-) - Any references that would be good for a newbie to read? My background is in math and programming, so technical material is fine. Good luck, Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07812675974 -- 07812675974 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140501/6c342c8c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/5f43c568/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
[Sursound] B-Fromat microphone
Hello all, I've been experimenting with making a native B-Format mic using 3D printed parts. I've done some recordings with it and I was wondering if people here with ambisonic playback systems could give one of them a try. Any comments will be very appreciated. A photo of the mic: http://www.hcenteno.net/extras/b-format_mic.jpg Link to binaural decode and link to B-Format file (in the description): https://soundcloud.com/hcenteno/wow-what-is-that-papa Change the level of the W channel to taste (the W capsule is more sensitive than the rest so I had to reduce it to what sounded good to me). Thanks and best wishes, Hector -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/cfda5ca1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone
Hector Centeno wrote: Hello all, I've been experimenting with making a native B-Format mic using 3D printed parts. I've done some recordings with it and I was wondering if people here with ambisonic playback systems could give one of them a try. Any comments will be very appreciated. A photo of the mic: http://www.hcenteno.net/extras/b-format_mic.jpg Link to binaural decode and link to B-Format file (in the description): https://soundcloud.com/hcenteno/wow-what-is-that-papa Change the level of the W channel to taste (the W capsule is more sensitive than the rest so I had to reduce it to what sounded good to me). Thanks and best wishes, Hector Really cool, and very creative! Which parts did you actually print? You can't print the capsules itself, can you? It is probably not just me who would like to ask this question... Best regards, Stefan ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Sound localisation techniques
Thomas Chen wrote: I use 16 speakers in a dual hexagon(up and down). I think that spacing at 45 degrees will give good results. I also space the two on each of the r walls of the room. Isn't this a dual octagon? ;-) Rest assured... Stefan I think the corners are bad because of the time differential between the speakers i.e. length of the radius from the center. ThomasChen -Original Message- From: Augustine Leudar gustar...@gmail.com To: suso s...@mchapman.com; Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Thu, May 1, 2014 9:41 am Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound localisation techniques actually contact this guy he did exactly what you are saying in Max : http://www.romaindumaine.com/#/main also Nuendo new versions allow for it (amplitude panning based not ambisonics) Gus On 1 May 2014 17:35, Augustine Leudar gustar...@gmail.com wrote: I would use four at ear height or a bit lower even and four in the corners of the room or - a cube starting at ear height. However you could also mess around with some of the DBAP (distance based amplitude panning) max externals which let you tell the system where the speakers are and then pan around them - you can have all sorts of weird and irregular speaker arrays - no need to stay peripheral - depends what you want to do I guess: *http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/dbap-external/ http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/dbap-external/* by the way its easy to do exactly what you are suggesting with ICSTsambipanning~ or any panner which allows for multiple soundsources and recordable trajectories (automation) *. * enjoy ! Gus On 29 April 2014 05:09, Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com wrote: Hello all, I'm looking into experimenting with live 3D panning of sound tracks from a DAW. The tracks will not be in B-format as I do not have a soundfield mic. I have 8 identical M-audio AV 40 speakers which I will be driving through an interface and Max/MSP code ( http://www.icst.net/research/projects/ambisonics-tools/). The comment has already been made: You don't need a mic to make digital audio ... For ambisonics, anything other than first order must (almost) certainly have been created (with or without mics). I'm primarily interested in taking a mix for my speaker array and being able to tilt / rotate / reflect etc. all of the tracks simultaneously. That sounds like ambisonics, but I would (for ambisonics) phrase it as: Making a mix fo any speaker array, being able to tilt, etc., and being able to listen to the result on 'any' array ... including my own. - Any advice on speaker placement for 8 speakers in a small bedroom? I'm currently thinking the 6 corners of a cube and then left and right on the wall at ear level. Think we'd need to see the bedroom or at least hear about it Eight sounds like the corners of a cube (you mention six ... that would be the faces, and not as 'simple' to deal with (nor (?) anything like as good)). - Are ambisonics techniques the best/only way to do this given that I don't have B-format? Everyone with a computer 'has' B-format ;-) - Any references that would be good for a newbie to read? My background is in math and programming, so technical material is fine. Good luck, Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07812675974 ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone
Bravo on the mic! I have played your file (as my set up is restricted to 4.0 horizontal mode, I have only matrixed channels W, X Y). I find it difficult to know at what level to set the W channel, as what appears to be going on all around is (excuse me, no offence intended!) rather chaotic. Could you provide a file of someone talking at the front, rear and sides of the array? This would enable calibration of the relative levels of WXY. I spent some time doing this with my own pantophonic mic recently and was pleased with the results. David At 19:40 05-05-14, Hector Centeno wrote: Hello all, I've been experimenting with making a native B-Format mic using 3D printed parts. I've done some recordings with it and I was wondering if people here with ambisonic playback systems could give one of them a try. Any comments will be very appreciated. A photo of the mic: http://www.hcenteno.net/extras/b-format_mic.jpg Link to binaural decode and link to B-Format file (in the description): https://soundcloud.com/hcenteno/wow-what-is-that-papa Change the level of the W channel to taste (the W capsule is more sensitive than the rest so I had to reduce it to what sounded good to me). Thanks and best wishes, Hector -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/cfda5ca1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone
dear hector what capsules did you use? these look like 10 mm. Zoom h2n uses something similar for the s part of the ms microphone but I have not seen omnis. I like the 3d print. my own version uses six cardioid capsules, but I never completed it. umashankar Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:40:45 -0400 From: hcen...@gmail.com To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone Hello all, I've been experimenting with making a native B-Format mic using 3D printed parts. I've done some recordings with it and I was wondering if people here with ambisonic playback systems could give one of them a try. Any comments will be very appreciated. A photo of the mic: http://www.hcenteno.net/extras/b-format_mic.jpg Link to binaural decode and link to B-Format file (in the description): https://soundcloud.com/hcenteno/wow-what-is-that-papa Change the level of the W channel to taste (the W capsule is more sensitive than the rest so I had to reduce it to what sounded good to me). Thanks and best wishes, Hector -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/cfda5ca1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140506/1c9df7d1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone
Hello Umashankar, Yes, they are all 10mm capsules. The bi-directional capsules are EM-183, probably the same as the Zoom H2n, and the omni is a EM-172. Best, Hector On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:33 PM, umashankar manthravadi umasha...@hotmail.com wrote: dear hector what capsules did you use? these look like 10 mm. Zoom h2n uses something similar for the s part of the ms microphone but I have not seen omnis. I like the 3d print. my own version uses six cardioid capsules, but I never completed it. umashankar Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:40:45 -0400 From: hcen...@gmail.com To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] B-Fromat microphone Hello all, I've been experimenting with making a native B-Format mic using 3D printed parts. I've done some recordings with it and I was wondering if people here with ambisonic playback systems could give one of them a try. Any comments will be very appreciated. A photo of the mic: http://www.hcenteno.net/extras/b-format_mic.jpg Link to binaural decode and link to B-Format file (in the description): https://soundcloud.com/hcenteno/wow-what-is-that-papa Change the level of the W channel to taste (the W capsule is more sensitive than the rest so I had to reduce it to what sounded good to me). Thanks and best wishes, Hector -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/cfda5ca1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140506/1c9df7d1/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20140505/548abbfe/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
