Re: [Sursound] An Atmos binaural album
Oops! I meant Henry Brant (not Harry Brant)... Le 29/05/2019 à 11:11, Marc Lavallée a écrit : As an example, Dolby Atmos technology was used to master and render a recording of Ice Field by Harry Brant, a spatial orchestral composition: https://www.sfsymphony.org/brant Unfortunately I can't download or stream the full album (rendered in binaural stereo) because it doesn't seem to be available in Canada (which would be silly because Harry Brant was born in Montréal). The short excerpts are not very convincing because binaural stereo is not a universal format; it probably sound wonderful to the audio engineer who mastered it. Soundbars and binaural stereo are presented as legitimate methods to experience "spatial audio", but they serve more as marketing tools. It's too bad that such wonderful music is not being released with an open format that would allow listeners to render it properly (now or later). Marc Le 27/05/2019 à 19:43, Augustine Leudar a écrit : Hi Douglas - I dont think he was referring to Atmos soundbars just Atmos in general . Atmos will of course work nicely being a 9.1 (or is it 11.1 ?) bed with objects operating within that over an unlimited number of speakers (or is it 128 max) - as such its true surround (in that the speakers od actually surround the litener); . However its not particularily innovative in that it combines stuff thats been around for years - (ambisonics can decode to different speaker arrays from one file for example and I assume the objects move around using amplitude panning). Then youve got things like DBAP which have the potential to create far more convincing 3D audio scenes that ATMOS and thats been around a lot longer. But no here we just refer to soundbars in general I think. I find it very unlikely though that an "ATMOS" soundbar would give the impression of a sound being behind the listener than a basical quad setup where there actually are two speakers behind the listener. I agree placebo definately plays a role in a lot of spatial audio. On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 22:00, Douglas Murray wrote: On May 27, 2019, at 12:09 PM, mgraves mstvp.com wrote: See also Dolby Atmos. Yet another triumph of marketing over reality. Dolby is especially good in that arena. Michael Graves Michael, Are you referring to the Dolby Atmos sound bars and ceiling bouncing speakers? If so I agree. But as a film sound designer, I don’t believe I am succumbing to marketing hype when I say that Dolby Atmos in a cinema setting, with its full range surrounds and speakers in what were gaps near the screen, is a real improvement over other earlier surround formats for cinema. Clearly Dolby is trying to generate profits from the mass home market rather than only from the small cinema world. It’s probable that any sound bar, whether “Atmos” or not, will be an upgrade for whomever buys it, so happy customers, even if the hype is not lived up to. Maybe it’s the placebo effect that makes these things work? Doug Murray ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] An Atmos binaural album (was: Re: Deconstructing soundbar marketing B.S.)
As an example, Dolby Atmos technology was used to master and render a recording of Ice Field by Harry Brant, a spatial orchestral composition: https://www.sfsymphony.org/brant Unfortunately I can't download or stream the full album (rendered in binaural stereo) because it doesn't seem to be available in Canada (which would be silly because Harry Brant was born in Montréal). The short excerpts are not very convincing because binaural stereo is not a universal format; it probably sound wonderful to the audio engineer who mastered it. Soundbars and binaural stereo are presented as legitimate methods to experience "spatial audio", but they serve more as marketing tools. It's too bad that such wonderful music is not being released with an open format that would allow listeners to render it properly (now or later). Marc Le 27/05/2019 à 19:43, Augustine Leudar a écrit : Hi Douglas - I dont think he was referring to Atmos soundbars just Atmos in general . Atmos will of course work nicely being a 9.1 (or is it 11.1 ?) bed with objects operating within that over an unlimited number of speakers (or is it 128 max) - as such its true surround (in that the speakers od actually surround the litener); . However its not particularily innovative in that it combines stuff thats been around for years - (ambisonics can decode to different speaker arrays from one file for example and I assume the objects move around using amplitude panning). Then youve got things like DBAP which have the potential to create far more convincing 3D audio scenes that ATMOS and thats been around a lot longer. But no here we just refer to soundbars in general I think. I find it very unlikely though that an "ATMOS" soundbar would give the impression of a sound being behind the listener than a basical quad setup where there actually are two speakers behind the listener. I agree placebo definately plays a role in a lot of spatial audio. On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 22:00, Douglas Murray wrote: On May 27, 2019, at 12:09 PM, mgraves mstvp.com wrote: See also Dolby Atmos. Yet another triumph of marketing over reality. Dolby is especially good in that arena. Michael Graves Michael, Are you referring to the Dolby Atmos sound bars and ceiling bouncing speakers? If so I agree. But as a film sound designer, I don’t believe I am succumbing to marketing hype when I say that Dolby Atmos in a cinema setting, with its full range surrounds and speakers in what were gaps near the screen, is a real improvement over other earlier surround formats for cinema. Clearly Dolby is trying to generate profits from the mass home market rather than only from the small cinema world. It’s probable that any sound bar, whether “Atmos” or not, will be an upgrade for whomever buys it, so happy customers, even if the hype is not lived up to. Maybe it’s the placebo effect that makes these things work? Doug Murray ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
