[Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Steven Boardman]

http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en

They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
solution.
Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off.  Especially as most
usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Steven Boardman]

Sounds ok for it’s current price. Maybe a little phasey, but hard to judge with 
only those two recordings.
Shame the music performance was a table tennis recording, and not of the actual 
guitar performance pictured.

S


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> 
> 
> http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en 
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> 
> They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording 
> solution. 
> Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later.. 
> Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off.  Especially as most usb 
> ports are on the bottom and not that tight. 
> 
> Steve 

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Marc Lavallée]

A rigid plastic cell phone cover could be modified to better hold the
microphone. At such a low price it looks like a fun toy, and maybe it
can be calibrated.
--
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> http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
> 
> They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
> solution.
> Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
> Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off.  Especially as
> most usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[David Pickett]

It seems that ping pong is the "musical event" of choice. There's 
nothing like being historically aware (cf 1957 stereo demo LPs)!


David

At 09:36 18-08-17, Steven Boardman wrote:
>http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
>
>They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
>solution.
>Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
>Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off.  Especially as most
>usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[David Worrall]

It is but a contemporary development of the precedent set by Debussy with Jeux.

 

 

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Professor and Chair

Audio Arts and Acoustics Department

School of Media Arts

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personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au

 

 

From: Sursound  on behalf of David Pickett 

Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion group 
Date: Friday, August 18, 2017 at 3:13 AM
To: Surround Sound discussion group 
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

 

It seems that ping pong is the "musical event" of choice. There's 

nothing like being historically aware (cf 1957 stereo demo LPs)!

 

David

 

At 09:36 18-08-17, Steven Boardman wrote:

>http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en

> 

>They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording

>solution.

>Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..

>Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off.  Especially as most

>usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.

> 

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[mgraves]

Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
 
Any idea the price?

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- Original Message - Subject: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral
From: "Steven Boardman" 
Date: 8/18/17 2:36 am
To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 

http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
 
 They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
 solution.
 Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
 Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off. Especially as most
 usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
 
 Steve
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Steven Boardman]

Well, don’t be sure it will work with all Android devices. I have been there 
before, but It will also work with a computer.
It’s $89 till the end of August, which IS what makes it interesting. 
Not sure of the regular price of $179. I need to hear some music recorded with 
it first….

It’s a good choice (for them) to use a ping pong sample, to show the spatial 
abilities. A small emitter of mid/high frequency transients, one already knows 
which direction it will appear next!

Steve


> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:04, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
> 
> Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
> 
> Any idea the price?
> 
> Michael Graves
> mgra...@mstvp.com
> http://www.mgraves.org
> o(713) 861-4005
> c(713) 201-1262
> sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com
> skype mjgraves
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message - Subject: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral
> From: "Steven Boardman" 
> Date: 8/18/17 2:36 am
> To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 
> 
> http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
> 
> They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
> solution.
> Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
> Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off. Especially as most
> usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
> 
> Steve
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Wim]

It's probably USB audio compliant. Requires no drivers on any OS. An iphone
or ipad should work with the famous "Camera connection kit" from Apple.
With Android, YMMV, but it should also work, in principle...

2017-08-18 18:35 GMT+02:00 Steven Boardman :

> Well, don’t be sure it will work with all Android devices. I have been
> there before, but It will also work with a computer.
> It’s $89 till the end of August, which IS what makes it interesting.
> Not sure of the regular price of $179. I need to hear some music recorded
> with it first….
>
> It’s a good choice (for them) to use a ping pong sample, to show the
> spatial abilities. A small emitter of mid/high frequency transients, one
> already knows which direction it will appear next!
>
> Steve
>
>
> > On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:04, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
> >
> > Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
> >
> > Any idea the price?
> >
> > Michael Graves
> > mgra...@mstvp.com
> > http://www.mgraves.org
> > o(713) 861-4005
> > c(713) 201-1262
> > sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com
> > skype mjgraves
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - Subject: [Sursound] Cellphone
> tetrahedral
> > From: "Steven Boardman" 
> > Date: 8/18/17 2:36 am
> > To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 
> >
> > http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
> >
> > They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
> > solution.
> > Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
> > Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off. Especially as most
> > usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
> >
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[mick ritchie]

Im about to finally investigate all the newcomers to ambisonics with VR/phone 
stuff but
this site is very short on detail ie the mic might work with ios but are they 
doing the app it
would need, can it be plugged straight into a computer - will it need an app 
there too?

Id like to ask a simple question to this debate about SN3d/Ambix format files 
in order to
check the pingpong file?
 I remember in the early days of ambix a simple explanation of the reordering 
of fuma wxyz to wyzx and adjusting the W
level by sqrootof2 ?   I know there are a few converters around but is this 
possible without a converter within a DAW - the routing
change is easy but adjusting W by 1.414 - can that be done in reaper or 
protools?

best

mick ritchie



On 18 Aug 2017, at 18:57, Wim wrote:

> It's probably USB audio compliant. Requires no drivers on any OS. An iphone
> or ipad should work with the famous "Camera connection kit" from Apple.
> With Android, YMMV, but it should also work, in principle...
> 
> 2017-08-18 18:35 GMT+02:00 Steven Boardman :
> 
>> Well, don’t be sure it will work with all Android devices. I have been
>> there before, but It will also work with a computer.
>> It’s $89 till the end of August, which IS what makes it interesting.
>> Not sure of the regular price of $179. I need to hear some music recorded
>> with it first….
>> 
>> It’s a good choice (for them) to use a ping pong sample, to show the
>> spatial abilities. A small emitter of mid/high frequency transients, one
>> already knows which direction it will appear next!
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:04, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
>>> 
>>> Any idea the price?
>>> 
>>> Michael Graves
>>> mgra...@mstvp.com
>>> http://www.mgraves.org
>>> o(713) 861-4005
>>> c(713) 201-1262
>>> sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com
>>> skype mjgraves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - Subject: [Sursound] Cellphone
>> tetrahedral
>>> From: "Steven Boardman" 
>>> Date: 8/18/17 2:36 am
>>> To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 
>>> 
>>> http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
>>> 
>>> They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
>>> solution.
>>> Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
>>> Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off. Especially as most
>>> usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
>>> 
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[David Pickett]

At 13:52 19-08-17, mick ritchie wrote:

>adjusting W by 1.414 - can that be done in reaper or protools?

Yes. It just means changing the level of W by 3dB.

David 


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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Gary Gallagher]

David,
   I was curious about this, I've been experimenting with a
nimbus-halliday setup and I've been turning the W channel down by a
comparative -3db as per my rough understanding of the b spec. So to get a
SN3d/ambix file I just keep all the channels at the same relative level?

thanks
Gary

On Sun., 20 Aug. 2017, 00:19 David Pickett  wrote:

> At 13:52 19-08-17, mick ritchie wrote:
>
>  >adjusting W by 1.414 - can that be done in reaper or protools?
>
> Yes. It just means changing the level of W by 3dB.
>
> David
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[mick ritchie]

Thanks I did remember 3dB but couldnt find it written down as such and ive 
never dealt with the maths
of bformat or sound beyond the basics

mick


On 20 Aug 2017, at 05:48, Gary Gallagher wrote:

> David,
>   I was curious about this, I've been experimenting with a
> nimbus-halliday setup and I've been turning the W channel down by a
> comparative -3db as per my rough understanding of the b spec. So to get a
> SN3d/ambix file I just keep all the channels at the same relative level?
> 
> thanks
>Gary
> 
> On Sun., 20 Aug. 2017, 00:19 David Pickett  wrote:
> 
>> At 13:52 19-08-17, mick ritchie wrote:
>> 
>>> adjusting W by 1.414 - can that be done in reaper or protools?
>> 
>> Yes. It just means changing the level of W by 3dB.
>> 
>> David
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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Paul Hodges]

--On 18 August 2017 08:04 -0700 mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:

> Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.

I have a lightning to microUSB adapter lying on my desk.

Going through their website I find a picture of it connected to a
laptop:



Going further (and navigating account creation and login in Chinese) I
found a page with download links for the Capture SDK for Windows, Mac,
Linux, Android, and iOS:



Capture, in case you can't get to that without a login:



Paul

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[Marc Lavallée]

I created an account, but the SDKs are not available without a license
(linked to the account I suppose). And the link to the Linux SDK is a
blank page... 
--
Marc


Le Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:42:47 +0100
Paul Hodges  a écrit:

> --On 18 August 2017 08:04 -0700 mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
> 
> > Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.  
> 
> I have a lightning to microUSB adapter lying on my desk.
> 
> Going through their website I find a picture of it connected to a
> laptop:
> 
> 
> 
> Going further (and navigating account creation and login in Chinese) I
> found a page with download links for the Capture SDK for Windows, Mac,
> Linux, Android, and iOS:
> 
> 
> 
> Capture, in case you can't get to that without a login:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[umashankar manthravadi]

I too have created an account, but I think I will pay them 89 dollars and buy 
one. It looks like a four channel mic preamp plus a-d direct to a USB 
connector. I should be able to record to a desktop of laptop and use X volver, 
Brahmavolver or VVencode to produce B format.

I am broke, but this is sacrifice for science.

umashankar

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 5:08 PM
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I created an account, but the SDKs are not available without a license
(linked to the account I suppose). And the link to the Linux SDK is a
blank page...
--
Marc


Le Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:42:47 +0100
Paul Hodges  a écrit:

> --On 18 August 2017 08:04 -0700 mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
>
> > Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
>
> I have a lightning to microUSB adapter lying on my desk.
>
> Going through their website I find a picture of it connected to a
> laptop:
>
> <http://yun.twirlingvr.com/Public/Home/images/lite/1-8.jpg>
>
> Going further (and navigating account creation and login in Chinese) I
> found a page with download links for the Capture SDK for Windows, Mac,
> Linux, Android, and iOS:
>
> <http://yun-en.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/index/download.html>
>
> Capture, in case you can't get to that without a login:
>
> <https://cassland.org/images/TWDL.png>
>
> Paul
>

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Re: [Sursound] Cellphone tetrahedral

[mgraves]

Since it's sub-$100 I've ordered one.
 
I also mentioned it to the lead developer of Freeswitch, an open source telecom 
soft switch. In the past they explored the 3Dio binaural microphone as a means 
of capturing conference calls with pseudo-surround.
 
He's ordered one with the dev kit. One day we might be able to have a play with 
FOA for video conferencing.

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 sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com
 skype mjgraves

 On 18 Aug 2017, at 18:57, Wim wrote:
 
 > It's probably USB audio compliant. Requires no drivers on any OS. An iphone
 > or ipad should work with the famous "Camera connection kit" from Apple.
 > With Android, YMMV, but it should also work, in principle...
 > 
 > 2017-08-18 18:35 GMT+02:00 Steven Boardman :
 > 
 >> Well, don't be sure it will work with all Android devices. I have been
 >> there before, but It will also work with a computer.
 >> It's $89 till the end of August, which IS what makes it interesting.
 >> Not sure of the regular price of $179. I need to hear some music recorded
 >> with it first….
 >> 
 >> It's a good choice (for them) to use a ping pong sample, to show the
 >> spatial abilities. A small emitter of mid/high frequency transients, one
 >> already knows which direction it will appear next!
 >> 
 >> Steve
 >> 
 >> 
 >>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:04, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:
 >>> 
 >>> Since it's USB it must be Android-only for the moment.
 >>> 
 >>> Any idea the price?
 >>> 
 >>> Michael Graves
 >>> mgra...@mstvp.com
 >>> http://www.mgraves.org
 >>> o(713) 861-4005
 >>> c(713) 201-1262
 >>> sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com
 >>> skype mjgraves
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> - Original Message - Subject: [Sursound] Cellphone
 >> tetrahedral
 >>> From: "Steven Boardman" 
 >>> Date: 8/18/17 2:36 am
 >>> To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 
 >>> 
 >>> http://yun.twirlingvr.com/index.php/home/Lite/lite-en
 >>> 
 >>> They were also going to bring out a stand alone integrated recording
 >>> solution.
 >>> Will download the b-format files and listen in the studio later..
 >>> Looks precarious, and prone to falling out/over/off. Especially as most
 >>> usb ports are on the bottom and not that tight.
 >>> 
 >>> Steve
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