[biofuel] Save the Federal Renewable Portfolio Standard
TELL YOUR SENATOR TO SUPPORT RENEWABLE ENERGY TODAY ISSUE: Democrats in the US Senate, led by Senator Bingaman (NM), are preparing a comprehensive energy bill for introduction as early as next week. UCS recently learned that the bill no longer includes a Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) ACTION: Please call your Democratic Senator immediately. You can reach them by calling 202-224-3121. If that number is busy, try 202-224-4691 or 202-224-8541 and ask to be transferred to the appropriate Senate office you can also visit: http://www.senate.gov If you are in Oregon, Washington, New York, California, North Dakota or South Dakota please make this your next call. Democratic Senators in those states are particularly supportive and most likely to push Bingaman to put the RPS back in the bill. If you are in New Mexico your calls to Senator Bingaman are especially important. If you are in a state without Democratic representation in the Senate, you can call Senator Daschle, the Senate Minority Leader at (202) 224-2321. MESSAGE: Ask your Senator to tell Senator Bingaman that a Renewables Portfolio Standard that will increase the amount of electricity from renewable resources to 10 percent by 2010 and 20 percent by 2020 must be included in the Senate Democratic energy bill. Additional talking points: * The RPS section of the bill, above all other sections, will have the most significant impact on increasing the development of renewable energy and cleaning up our air. * Developing America's homegrown renewable energy resources will diversify our energy supply, shielding consumers from price spikes and helping to keep natural gas prices down. BACKGROUND: A Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) is a policy that relies on market mechanisms to ensure that a growing percentage of electricity is generated from renewable sources. By establishing tradable renewable energy credits, the RPS would function much like the Clean Air Act emissions allowance trading system. The Senate Democratic energy bill will be introduced in the coming days to counter the Republican energy bill that does almost nothing to promote renewable energy or energy efficiency. It is absolutely vital that the RPS is brought into the debate as part of the Democratic energy bill. FOR MORE INFORMATION: Ron Sundergill [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 223-6133 - Ext: 134 Eric Wesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 223-6133 - Ext: 133 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] You get what you pay for...
Mr. Bush did not back out of his campaign promise to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, he pulled a Clinton, and redefined what a green house gas is. By claiming CO2 is not a greenhouse gas, he feels he is fulfilling his campaign promises. Steve Spence Not that I was baiting, and not to now, but if a new presidente performs in like manner as the last, in this respect of redefining something after the fact and thereby holding true to an original promise, does that new presidente not adhere to at least one of the very principals which the previous el presidente did and was so denigrated for? Forget Republican, Democratic, liberal, conservative, Bush, Clinton and or all of that for a moment. The primary principles on Pennsylvania avenue are doublespeak and payola. Perhaps the Lincoln Bedroom won't be rented out over the next four years. That only means a sure eye must be kept alert for rents, leases, exchanges and gratuities extended elsewhere. Under Republicans, man exploits man. Under Democrats, it's just the opposite. For what it matters, on the personal front, I tend to practice conservatism a good bit better than what external appearances may be. Not rabidly, however, and I've had all my shots. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Introduction-lurker
Hi, My name is Tim Castleman, in Mesa, Arizona. I have been a lurker on this list a little while. I actually created a seperate view in outlook due to the high volume of posts. I did that because this is the best list I have ever had the good fortune to subscribe to. Many thanks to all of you for your willingness to share your expertise on these things. I guess it is time to (humbly) throw my hat in the ring, so to speak, and invite your comments about my wild idea. In short, the concept envisions a renewable resource system using fibrous crops such as hemp and kenaf to produce core free fiber, ethanol and other chemicals. www.fuelandfiber.com This system would not use the seed at all, cropping would be frequent (good in Fla.) and large scale agriculture is required. The high value product would be the fiber. Fuels and chemicals would be an economic wash, but would cover crop production, harvest and seperation costs, sustainably. A system on this large of scale would indicate an ADM or Cargill or whatever, and maybe someday those guys will do just that, unless grower groups get together early. A good model is found in the many co-ops producing ethanol here in the US. Collectively, they produce about 1/2, which may be close to 1 billion gallons per year soon. So, this is what I have been working on here in sunny, irrigated Arizona. The Maricopa Ag center produced a world record 14 ton per acre of kenaf. One of the PHD guys that was in on it is a friend, and eager to proceed. We have about 400,000 irrigated acres historically used for cotton, 300+ days per year sunshine and a dry climate that eliminates any feral population issues and enhances fiber seperation during processing. For those interested, please check out the site, feed back is welcome. I ask in advance for you understanding of my limited time these days, and so I may only rarely post to the list, but I do try and read as many as I can (miss most). I closing, I would alos like to invite you to visit www.azhemp.org , a brand new site for a non-profit.org we have formed. Tim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Drug Users and Oil Junkies
I was in your corner all the way until you said you fight the govt. against the war on drugs. Drugs are not a mental health problem. People with mental health problems do not choose to that behavior. Criminals who choose to do drugs made that choice. ... Madman, I suppose you have to have lived on both sides of the fence to understand the futility of this argument. Alcohol kills and maims tens of thousands annually and is responsible for untold mayhem, not by itself, but when used by irresponsible persons. Yet it's legal, promoted, taxed and revered. Profit and tax revenues are of greater import than human life. Tobacco, kills and maims hundreds of thousands annually and is responsible for untold mayhem, not by itself, but when used by humans. Yet it is legal, promoted, taxed and revered. Profit and tax revenues are of greater import than human life. Pharmaceuticals used correctly, kill and maim tens thousands annually and are responsible for untold mayhem, not by themselves, but when dispensed by licensed, practicing physicians. Profit and tax revenues are held in such high esteem that less costly and often completely natural drugs and herbs are relegated the role of insignificance and or even legislated out of the marketplace. (Please refer to the hoops practicing herbalists must jump through and attempts to criminalize this aspect of healing.) Fossil fuels kill and maim hundreds of thousands annually and is responsible for untold mayhem, not by themselves, but when used by human societies. Profit, tax revenues and power are held in such high esteem that less toxic, profitable, renewable and sustainable natural fuels are relegated the role of insignificance and or even legislated out of the marketplace. (Please refer to subsidy ratios of coal, oil, nuclear and natural gas to solar, wind, geothermal and biomass.) If you haven't seen any similarities yet. I will continue. All of the above are addictions. They are all practiced at levels of epidemic proportions. They are aberrant human conditions, where presumably intelligent persons are perfectly willing to perpetuate death and suffering in order to maintain their fix of choice which satiates their insecurities, wants and perceived or programmed needs. They surface in society as choices, completely symptomatic of a severe and pervasive underlying mental illness. Such mental illness should not be compared to neurological dysfunction or chemical imbalance. But the illness is no different than that of the alcoholic or narcotic addict who makes equally as disparaging a choice. At least the physically addicted individual has more mass supporting his or her perpetuation of poor decision making than. What excuse do the primaries and participants in the petrochemical, pharmacological, tobacco, alcohol and political industries have? I can never claim that I am a strong proponent of opiates, or so called white and designer drugs, especially after having danced through this mine field in two earlier decades. But nor am I going to jump on the bandwagon, supporting the rain of Agent Orange equivalents on Colombians or any other country's poorer populations, the mass incarcerations of smokeable cannabis users or unequivocally calling anyone who participates at any level in these arenas criminals. As long persons in this country or the collective continue to disregard, disavow and promote globally destructive policies in lieu of those more rational and life preserving, I will continue to believe that the turnkeys are more mentally imbalanced than the inmates. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BIODIESEL GHANA LTD
If I remember correctly, there is a program in Mali/Burkina Faso or a close neighbor called The Jatropha Project in which a local oilseed (Jatropha) is crushed and utilized for oil/biodiesel, and other byproducts. I don't have the website handy but can forward it to you if you want. Good Luck. Ciao, Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, Thanks for having some time for me to read this. We are interested in building a Biodiesel Plant in Ghana by using the local feedstock. It is a known fact that the world is going to run out of fossil fuel one day. Closer as it gets, the more expensive fossil fuel becomes. It would not be long that the world be controlled by the OPEC so far as fuel market is concerned. Biodiesel is completely a renewable fuel, does not add to the problems of the ozone layer, creates jobs internally and strengthens economies. Biodiesel is safe to handle, non toxic and it degrades very quickly. The Plant is be built by the Biodiesel Industries based in Las Vegas, USA. The President of the organization Mr. Russ Teall is ready to start the project but our only problem is the funds. Could you please help by donating any amount or even if you want a Joint Venture, we are flexible. I will furnish you with the Biodiesel Industries Acct # number if you respond. Hope to hear from you and God bless you. Kind regards, Quassy Adjapawn Director Biodiesel Ghana Ltd Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Jerry - aquatic generator
Jerry said per the subject Jerry - PDF files: Another project is using my sea, non-dam tidal genorator knowledge to scale them up to utility size for use in the Gulf Stream, rivers and bays. The first ones were built to give electricity for anchored sail/ liveaboard boats. It genorates when sailing too. I just finished an electric outboard for a 25' sailboat that recharges the propulsion batteries by sailing or anchored in a tidal stream.. Very interesting. I live along the Snake River and have wondered if there could be a dependable way to generate electrical energy from the river's flow. A dam or diversion is not practical. The river does not normally freeze over in winter, but water levels do vary seasonally. I envision a paddle-wheel mounted on a floating platform, but don't really know what mechanisms would be best. Jerry, your project seems similar. Can you suggest related info sources? -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Introduction-lurker
Tim Castleman said: So, this is what I have been working on here in sunny, irrigated Arizona. The Maricopa Ag center produced a world record 14 ton per acre of kenaf. One of the PHD guys that was in on it is a friend, and eager to proceed. We have about 400,000 irrigated acres historically used for cotton, 300+ days per year sunshine and a dry climate that eliminates any feral population issues and enhances fiber seperation during processing. Some years back I attended an annual convention in Dallas of the Kenaf growers association, then tried growing Kenaf. It grew, but the growing season is not long enough here in Idaho to get good yields. I was primarily interested in the possibility of growing various species of mushrooms on the material remaining after fiber separation. You may want to consider this possibility yourself. It might add to profitability, and perhaps the byproduct could still be used for energy production or sold as a protein-enhanced cattle feed supplement. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 3/11/01
ENERGIES... week of March 11, 2001, Special Extended Edition WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY. Instead of the blunt reversal of his campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, U.S. President George W. Bush could more boldly have said, but didn't, I will no longer pursue plans to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from existing coal burning power plants. However, I will put forth a major, aggressive, national initiative to develop new, carbon-free or carbon-neutral power generation capacity for our country. Had he made a statement like the above, which he didn't, he would have sent the nation off in a new industrial-economic direction that would create new jobs, businesses and investment opportunities that could bolster the sagging U.S. economy. In a much weaker statement in a letter to four U.S. senators he did say, I am very optimistic that, with the proper focus and working with our friends and allies, we will be able to develop technologies, market incentives, and other creative ways to address global climate change. Contrarian environmental organization Global Climate Coalition has posted this letter, as well as reaction in the world press to the Bush about-face, in their website at http://www.globalclimate.org/ . AIRLINE'S RESPONSIBLE ACTION. Ground Service Equipment (GSE) - tugs, trucks and tractors - add significantly to the poor air quality at airports. Noting this problem, American Airlines will spend $400 million over the next ten years to replace 80 percent of its GSE fleet with electric vehicles. Aside from reducing emissions, the airline will reduce its fossil fuel consumption and noise levels by using the quiet, more efficient vehicles. Airports are well suited to rechargeable electric vehicles since they operate in a confined area - never far from a recharging station. Vehicles also are used sporadically. Often long periods of time are available between flights for recharging. Visit American Airline's environmental and safety initiatives at http://www.amr-ceres.com/ . ANOTHER METAL FUEL CELL. There seems to be growing interest in the other kind of fuel cell, the metal kind. GreenVolt Power has introduced a portable fuel cell that utilizes metal anodes bathed in an electrolyte of water and table salt. The device, which the company is now taking orders for, can produce up to 10 amperes of current at 13.5 volts for 50 hours on one set of replaceable, sacrificial, metal anodes. The unit is about the size of a car battery and weighs less than five pounds. Cathodes are made of a proprietary catalyzed carbon membrane. The company is planning two more models rated at 1.3 and 1.5 kilowatts for later this year. With this technology, metal anodes release electrons as they oxidize. The electro-chemical process known as a oxidation-reduction stops or slows when the exposed surface of the anode becomes fully oxidized. Oxidation on metals is what we think of as corrosion, or perhaps rust. The cathode does not oxidize. GreenVolt is not the only company working on variations of this simple technology. The metal anodes, often made of zinc or aluminum, are either physically recycled or, according to at least one company, can also be recharged. The difficulty in advancement of this technology for vehicles is finding a way to remove and replace anodes quickly and elegantly - easy in a small device but difficult in a large vehicle. Visit GreenVolt at http://www.greenvolt.com/ . EASTERN U.S. WIND POWER. Pennsylvania will be home to the latest, largest wind farm in the Eastern United States. The 15 megawatt Mill Run Wind Project will be built on a mile long ridge-top of farmland 40 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. Slated for installation at elevations of 2700-2900 feet will be 10, 1.5-megawatt Enron Wind turbines with a rotor diameter 231 feet. Mill Run when complete later this year will supply enough power for 5700 homes. A consortium of private companies, non-profit organizations and public agencies are involved with the development and commercialization of Mill Run. The next largest wind farm in the East has a capacity of 10.4 megawatts. Visit Mill Run through Community Energy at http://www.newwindenergy.com/ . HYBRID SOLAR-WIND POWER HAWAII. Busy PowerLight Corporation has announced that the world's largest hybrid solar-wind project is now operational in Hawaii. Installed on the 225,000 acre Parker Ranch, the 175 kilowatt solar array, with its accompanying 50 kilowatts of wind energy, provides all of the power needed to pump water for 50,000 cattle in three grazing areas. The solar array covers almost 2 acres. There are 5 wind turbines. Visit PowerLight at http://www.powerlight.com/ . A PROMISE FOR NEW RENEWABLES. Green Mountain Energy will soon have more than 400,000 new customers in Ohio. In a contract negotiated with the Northeast Ohio Public Energy Council (NOPEC), a public electricity buying group, Green Mountain will be supplying its Green Mountain
Re: [biofuel] Drug Users and Oil Junkies
In a message dated 3/18/01 10:05:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will continue to believe that the turnkeys are more mentally imbalanced than the inmates. There is another danger here. As sick people they will be protected by the disabilities act. Companies will not be able to terminate these employees. It will be a violation of their rights. Even if they are drunk of high on the job. The company cannot require you to be mentally ill only on your own time. So a truck driver or a surgeon cannot be fired for working while high or drunk. It is not fair to fire someone for an illness. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drug Users and Oil Junkies
To Madman and the rest of the list: I apologize, as this is a biofuels list and one should refrain from broaching the subject of addictions and abuse unless it is applicable to energy issues. Finis. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] First time post. Questions.
This is my first post: I have been approached by a group of local (MN) farmers about producing their own fuel from vegetable oil (corn/soybean). My first stop was the local Library where I found a copy of From The Fryer to the Fuel Tank. After making some calls I determined that it would make more sense to use fryer oil as a feedstuff as more than an adequate supply exists locally. Second stage was web surfing for additional info and there seems to be quite a bit...I have been wading through it for several days. Stage three is of course to make few small test batches...have ordered some supplies and gathered 10 gals of waste veg. oil. Some scepticism on the part of a few in the group (thank God for sceptics) is also resulting in concurrent test batches using new corn oil. Our aim is to set up a portable unit with a 500 gal stainless steel reaction vessel after a small 20 gal. test unit is run for a few months to get the process down and enough usable fuel to test. We plan on using a small diesel generator to test run the fuel and later power the 500 gal. portable unit. Several of the participants own diesel pickups which will serve as later test beds. End goal is to have the 500 gal. unit up and running next Fall and produce enough Biodiesel to be independent of petroleum prices by Spring of 2002. As a retired engineer I want to set up a process with as little waste products as possible. It seems feasible that the glycerin byproduct can be used as a fuel for home heating and possibly grain drying. I know that there are some special considerations (fuel must be warm to flow,etc.) but: Can a standard fuel oil furnace gun (atomizer/igniter unit) be modified to use this byproduct or does one need to go to something like a waste (crankcase) oil furnace? Also, It makes sense to vacuum distill off the unreacted methanol used in the process simply as a cost saving measure. Does retrieval/removal of the methanol also have the benefit of not having to replace rubber components in fuel systems or does the resulting Biodiesel still soften/dissolve them? How much (%) of the methanol is recoverable? Also, We are currently planning on using the Foolproof method by Aleks Kac...involving H2SO4 induced esterification. I understand that the sulphur ends up in the glycerin byproduct. Is anyone aware of a simple process to remove it? I would prefer to not dump it into the atmosphere if the byproduct is used as fuel for heat production. Some of the participants are also interested in producing their own fertilizer similar to what they currently use in addition to what natural fertilizer is available (corn is a heavy feeder). Does anyone have any experience with such a product/process? Does anyone know if the glycerin byproduct is suitable or can be modified to be used as fertilzer? Thanks for your help, Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drug Users and Oil Junkies
I will cool it. That subject hit a nerve but I have said more than enough. I hope I did not offend anyone. I will go back into lurk mode until I get my still built. Then I will have a hundred questions. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/r_1oCB/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Jerry - aquatic generator
Hi Warren and All, --- Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry said Another project is using my sea, non-dam tidal genorator knowledge to scale them up to utility size for use in the Gulf Stream, rivers and bays Very interesting. I live along the Snake River and have wondered if there could be a dependable way to generate electrical energy from the river's flow. A dam or diversion is not practical. The river does not normally freeze over in winter, but water levels do vary seasonally. I envision a paddle-wheel mounted on a floating platform, but don't really know what mechanisms would be best. Jerry, your project seems similar. Can you suggest related info sources? Yes Warren, any water moving over 2 mph will work. I use rotors that look like boat propellers but have different angles and blade shapes optimized for being turned rather than pushing. A paddle wheel would work but a rotor system would be a lot smaller for the same power. As far as I know only I building custom units and a company called Jack Rabbit Marine builds a small 12vdc, about 10 amp unit made for boat use. Motorola built 1 for sale for a while but was ahead of it's time, nice unit. This is fairly OT , e-mail me direct if you need to know more . jerry dycus -- ...Warren Rekow __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drug Users and Oil Junkies
one of the best reasons to make most drugs legal is to eliminate the huge illegal trade in them. like the days of prohibition, many people got into the illegal booze trade and became hero's of a refreshed economy. these people went on to die at the hands of the other booze lords or to cocaine or heroin. they wouldn't have moved on except for the fact that when booze became legal again the price went down, like a, , 'stone'. the drug that could be legalized with the fewest problems would be marihuana. many illegal drugs have real medical benefit, pot among them, pot and cocaine can easily be quit without 'physical reactions', for instance heavy drinkers have been known to die from withdrawal during a cold turkey cessation approach. i think decriminalization would be the best approach, merely having a small amount should be legal, only the selling should be illegal, with much bigger fines and perhaps severe beat downs from recovered drug addicts, since prison doesn't seem to help. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/18/01 10:05:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose you have to have lived on both sides of the fence to understand the futility of this argument. I agree with every thing you said 100%. But you gave no good reason to make drugs legal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Jerry - aquatic generator
Yes, Jerry is right (again!), forget your paddlewheel idea, it will be hopelessly inefficient, being a drag machine :-( The barge should either have a vertical axis 4-blade rotor below it or, preferable, a longshaft sub-horizontal rotor trailing behind. A highly recommended reference with good photos etc. is at: http://www.caddet-re.org/assets/no83.pdf OK, not on topic, but good stuff anyway David Teal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: First time post. Questions.
Our aim is to set up a portable unit with a 500 gal stainless steel reaction vessel after a small 20 gal. test unit is run for a few months to get the process down and enough usable fuel to test. We plan on using a small diesel generator to test run the fuel and later power the 500 gal. portable unit. Several of the participants own diesel pickups which will serve as later test beds. End goal is to have the 500 gal. unit up and running next Fall and produce enough Biodiesel to be independent of petroleum prices by Spring of 2002. Good, but don't forget that natural oil reserves will not power you, as with massive biodiesel production they will perrish much earlyer than dinosaur oil. My friends and me are already forced to pay for xyz quality used oil - the price is currently 15% of dinodisel price (at the station) for badly used oil and fats. Good oil without solid fats and low in FFA is priced 25% of dinodiesel. It makes sense to vacuum distill off the unreacted methanol used in the process simply as a cost saving measure. Does retrieval/removal of the methanol also have the benefit of not having to replace rubber components in fuel systems or does the resulting Biodiesel still soften/dissolve them? How much (%) of the methanol is recoverable? Almost a quarter, sometimes more. Depends on the type of reaction vessel you are using. If you have a sealed drasinble reactor, you must keep the glycerine flowing, else you won't be able to get it out. Also depends on the type of oil/fat you are processing. Also, We are currently planning on using the Foolproof method by Aleks Kac...involving H2SO4 induced esterification. I understand that the sulphur ends up in the glycerin byproduct. Is anyone aware of a simple process to remove it? I would prefer to not dump it into the atmosphere if the byproduct is used as fuel for heat production. It's really a tiny amount of sulphur left in the glycerine, and this is in the form of sodium sulphate. I don't know of any not- painstainkingly-hard-or-expensive method to remove it. Perhaps, if you mixed the glycerine with a water solution of spent lime (aka calcium hydroxide-not expensive) to form CaSO4.5H20-which is alabaster. Could work, but I do not mind the small amount of sulphate in the glycerine. Alabaster is not water soluble and could be filtered. Some of the participants are also interested in producing their own fertilizer similar to what they currently use in addition to what natural fertilizer is available (corn is a heavy feeder). Does anyone have any experience with such a product/process? It takes KOH instead of NaOH for the base catalyst. Most industrial producers make it with KOH, but for this is too expensive (You need twice much KOH, which itself is three times more expensive). Then you would have to neutralize with H3PO4 during the wash. I find vinegar more 'bio'. Does anyone know if the glycerin byproduct is suitable or can be modified to be used as fertilzer? As any organig matter it is compostable. Cheers, Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: biodiesel washing
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satish Washing also removes excess methanol and any waxes and gums left in the biodiesel. You may choose not to wash your biodiesel before use - OK, I have no problem with that - it is your engine, not mine! I totally agree with Terry. You have been offered an advice, use it or leave it. Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
