RE: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me
Hello Keith, Yes I should have just ignored it. But the unsubscribe procedure is so obviously and clearly spelt out in every email message. So my reaction was spur of the moment because in the last two weeks I must have ignored/deleted several dozen of them (or so it seems) and it just got the better of me. Mea culpa! Maybe there should be a few words preceding each message in large bold red font so that it just cannot be missed by anyone reading it :-). Hanns -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 8:05 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me Hi Hanns For a moment there I thought you'd done it too!! :-) Perish the thought. Please scroll down the page a few centimeters and you will see this:- Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The number of people on this forum who still keep on sending these plaintive messages of Please unsubscribe me to some nameless person in the void, never cease to surprise me. Nor me. Not just this forum though, it happens on all the lists I know, and nobody finds a good solution. I send them a short macro reply telling them what to do (not rude). Following a recent kerfuffle over it here, Ed Beggs posted this: We will have to tolerate the messages. Just keep sending them the macro and eveyone else PLEASE just delete the unsubscribe requests. Do not respond to the list and add more clutter, a number have tried to help these foks (me included) and all it does is create more problems, it seems. After enough macros from Keith they will eventually figure it out. And I added this: Okay? There doesn't seem to be any way to stop it happening, so please just ignore unsubscribe messages sent to the list, just delete them, I'll deal with it, it's my job after all, no need to waste your time. So please just try to ignore it, Hanns. Thanks Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Hanns -Original Message- From: eric almanzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 1:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me please cancel my subscription Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Mobile BD plant loading/ unloading
Message: 1 Thanks for the continuing input to the container load/unload solution. It's really amazing how many ingenious ideas there are out there. For obvious reasons I favor solutions that don't require improvements at each drop site - there could be very many of those in a country where the longest distance that a coconut usually travels to market is a few miles! Lowboy trailers won't last long on Filipino roads, so they're out. But I am intrigued by one listmember's mentioning trucks or trailers with integral side-loading hydraulic lifts and support pads. I went back to my calcs that seemed to show that such things would be impractically heavy...and of course found an error. It turns out that, with outriggers extending eight feet to one side, such a truck could handle a 20 tonne container while weighing no more than four to eight tonnes itself, depending on weight distribution. With two axles on the semi-trailer and two support axles on the tractor, that is completely practical. OOF. What David T is saying here makes a lot of sense and is probably the most appropriate to the Phillipines. If you make a couple of H frames complete with outrigger tripod stays, use a couple of connectors to join the 2 H frames together, and a couple of chain blocks, you can drive to where you want the container located, set up your H frames, lift the container about 6, drive the truck out, and lower the container. Uplifting and shifting the container is obviously the reverse. That makes a LOT of sense. I would only add baulks of timber to keep the frames from sinking into the soil, and some screw anchors and guys to keep the thing from racking. My father-in-law and I were sketching something with A-frames which ended up pretty unwieldly, then I tried something with jacks at all four lower corners, but there was just too much travel required. Your scheme should work. - Original Message - From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mobile BD plant John Brewer helpfully wrote: Self loading trailers are used extensivly in Australia. The Lifting arms ar on hydrolic rams and can be adjusted to suit 20 40 foot containers, and can postion a 20 footer to correctly position the weight distribution on the trailer When I was working in rural Africa, such luxuries were unheard of, but we managed to unload some fair sized loads with improvised, cheap but effective means. One of the better systems was to erect two guyed goalpost frames from stout wood poles. Chain block hoists were lashed to the middle of each crossbar. The delivery truck would drive under the gantry, the load was raised, and the truck would back out or drive through. The load could then be lowered onto skids on the ground and be winched (Tirfor etc.) to its desired location. Of course, the goalpost gantry has to be proof loaded first with dummy loads like plywood boxes filled with sand (easy to create and dismantle with hand tools only). I reckon this approach is still appropriate to places like Philippines, Marc. Yesss. Of course, we'll probably still end up with semi-trailers because cargo containers are precious here, but you never know. In any case, one of these tricks will no doubt serve when I need to lift my own container to build up the pad a bit, as each rainy season sees the airspace under the container getting smaller... Best to all, Marc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] less acrolyn [sic] in the environment
John Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried using the mixture of refined coconut oil (FFA removed) 20 parts to one part kerosene, just like what the Thai teacher did. The result was very impressive: smokeless and almost odorless. The smell is just like heating oil in the pan. There is no drop in the power. Then I referred my testing to the government agency. They told me that this is vey dangerous because it will emit acrolyn, which is a cancerous substance. They said that the correct process should be that the coconut oil undergo transesterification to produce methyl ester, which is safe. Any comments about this? My comment is the obvious one - the substance they probably mean is acrolein (acrylic aldehyde), presumably from glycerine. If your engine is in good tune and at full temperature, I see no reason to expect significant aldehyde emissions. One of the beauties of diesels is that they operate at high excess air ratios, something gasoline (petrol) engines can't do. Glycerine and everything else should burn to carbon dioxide and water, with a small amount of nitrogen oxides emissions from crevice combustion. In short, normal diesel emissions. Finally, if your car were producing significant levels of acrolein in the exhaust, the stink would be overpowering, yet you describe it as almost odorless. I wouldn't put too much credence in this warning. It appears to be motivated by the fact that you're burning a mixture of veggie oil and kero, neither of which pays road fuel taxes in most countries. When a way is found to tax this blend as a motor fuel, the bureaucrats will no doubt discover that it's just fine after all. Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines PS. What are you paying for coconut oil? For kero? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Reclaiming the methanol
Keith Addison asks: A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? Won't it be too wet? I don't even know if water dissolves in methanol. If so, does methanol have the same or similar upper-limit azeotropic restriction for distillation as ethanol does? Sure, you get rid of the water in the oil first, but some water is released during the transesterification, and it'll be in the glycerine along with excess meths. Methanol and water do not form an azeotrope, and therefore are completely separable, at least theoretically, by fractional distillation alone. I don't think you're right about water being produced in the transesterification reaction (it IS produced by the saponification of free fatty acid, but that is supposed to be minimal). Even if there is some water there, fractional or a few simple distillations will clean it all out.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks nice. Still waiting for 3-wheel open/closed canopy version with front wheel drive, heater and 4 seats that can be licensed as a cycle and sells for 10k http://www.deere.com/deerecom/Homeowners/Products/_Gator_REG+Utility+V ehicles/default.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner
Hi Dana, Thank you very much for your info. I do understand that Straight Veg Oil (SVG) stands for straight vegetable oil By the way: 1) The picture with etanol can change when we have at our disposal an industrial waste energy source which can be used to distill etanol off. 2) Iam quite curious if there is a way to produce...fuel oil from rapeseed oil in the similar fashion biodiesel. Maybe the process is cheaper and simpler Do you have any idea about that ? Greetings jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] (biofuel) Please unsubcribe me
Please unsubcribe me from the biofuel group. I will return in a couple of months. Thank you, Dennis Bundy _ Talk Stocks with Smart Investors -- http://www.ragingbull.com Click Below for Brokerage Specials for Raging Bull Users http://www.ragingbull.com/tradingcenter Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Reclaiming the methanol
Keith Addison asks: A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? Won't it be too wet? I don't even know if water dissolves in methanol. If so, does methanol have the same or similar upper-limit azeotropic restriction for distillation as ethanol does? Sure, you get rid of the water in the oil first, but some water is released during the transesterification, and it'll be in the glycerine along with excess meths. Methanol and water do not form an azeotrope, and therefore are completely separable, at least theoretically, by fractional distillation alone. I don't think you're right about water being produced in the transesterification reaction (it IS produced by the saponification of free fatty acid, but that is supposed to be minimal). Even if there is some water there, fractional or a few simple distillations will clean it all out.-K Thankyou Ken, sweetness and light duly restored. Seems some water is released though. Doesn't seem to matter a lot if you do it right. Thanks again Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] zeolites
Hi All, Could one of the chemists on the list tell me how to calculate the dimensions of a column of type 3A synthetic zeolites with a diameter of 1.6 -2.5mm for drying ethanol to 98%? I assume there is a fixed ratio of zeolite to flow rate. Also how often does one have to purge the filter, and what is the best way to do this. I was thinking that the safest way to do this would be to have an evacuated tank and draw the ethanol into it though the zeolite filter. Is there a max flow rate that prevents static build up?. One final question. What material would be best to reduce the chance of static build up. I have access to most materials. cheers bob golding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Silica Gel
What is the process for removing water from ethanol and how much silica gel do you need. Again, if 5% water is present in ethanol it will help the engine to run cooler and it will help reduce carbon deposits. Why do you need to remove it if you are using it in a gas burning engine? I'm still new at this. Regards, Ron Miller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] list
Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] list
We're stuck with them! -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] list Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
I've used and re-used about thirty gallons of methanol so far using my hot pink vacuum still. At first I was worried about recovering water at the end of a run, so watched the condensate closely for any sign of cloudiness. I've never seen any. I don't think water can be recovered from the byproduct at anywhere near the boiling point of methanol. Dale --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison asks: A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] canola (rape) plant oil extraction
organic matter can always be thrown into a biodigester and turned into methane. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: john amory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: [biofuel] canola (rape) plant oil extraction oops, sent that last by mistake. my question is:- Say you take a growing canola plant (rape) at say flowering time and distill the oil from the plant. If the oil content is 10% of the plant, would the plant material left over be suitable for another purpose (ie, for ethanol) apart from compost. By distillation, would there be more oil per acre than allowing the plant to ripen and harvest the seed?. Would the chlorophyl be in the oil and would this affect the bio-diesel (ester). Thanks, John Amory, Victoria, Australia. Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE:ethanol to crack SVO
you can, but the ethanol must be anhydrous. see http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] RE:ethanol to crack SVO Hello, Can you use ethanol, instead of methanal, to crack the oil to make biodiesel? any web link to the process would be helpful too.. thank you in advance. DC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
more power, more efficiency, better mileage if you keep your foot outta the carb. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Grendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biofuel
ford Taurus comes in a FFV model for e85. not aware of any dodge vehicles that do. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: rawls moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] biofuel I am new to the list so please forgive the newbie question. I have been trying to research wether or not I can run straight ethanol in my 99 dodge dakota. Everything I am finding on the Internet regarding ethanol refers to certain cars that have the ability to run gas and E85. I also tried to contact several Dodge dealers to see if they had any info, and no one seemed to know what I was talking about. If any one has experience running ethanol, or a mixture of ethanol/gas, could you p-mail me or just send me a link so I can get started researching this? TIA, Rawls Moore ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
same as gasoline. NOx is produced when nitrogen is involved in combustion. air is 70% nitrogen. a catalytic converter takes care of this nicely. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage Hi folks, Just wondering on this. In gasoline engines increasing compression increases NOx. (nitrogen oxides) What NOx emissions are produced with ETOH? (ethanol) Thanks, Jay in Carson City Grendel wrote: You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Silica Gel
anhydrous ethanol is needed to make biodiesel Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Silica Gel My question is, if that 5% water is miscible with ethanol then why remove it. Back in WWII they used water and alcohol in old fighter aircraft. The mix kept the engine cooler (within a normal heat range)thereby creating more power. If a person had a fuel injected automobile wouldn't this have the same effect. Straight alcohol will definitly make an engine run cooler. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Silica Gel I hear that silica gel can be used to take the last 5% of the water out of ethanol. Does this help? What are the advantages? How much do you need/use? Any info or informational resources would be appreciated? I have some extra silica gel (10 pounds) if someone needs it or wants to experiment with it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
they are good for hemorrhoids as well, makes the shit slide through faster. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Back in the original gasoline crunch of the '70's everybody was adding water injectors better camshafts, headers and all sorts of stuff to increase milage. One guy wrote in to a magazine that he had installed all of the devices they had recomended over a years time. He said his milage was so good that every 60 miles he had to stop and remove a gallon. Makes me wonder if the magnets would clear up my sinus'. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Ahhh shoot.. Now I have no heat.. ;-( hehehe sorry had to say it. ;-) Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey it works, Have just fitted magnets to my radiator hoses and just started the car and already it is running cooler. Must be the alignment of the molecules allows the water to run through the engine and radiator faster achieving better cooling. Warren, you did say increased mileage, not increased fuel consumption and more power, didnt you? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
you are welcome to. I'm a fireman, so all's well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come watch??? or help? lol Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an engine blow is such a fun exposition. I'll take pics for you all :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add one of your filters, Dave. .. Steve, Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the crankcase oil. I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the other hand, might be a bit more touched. (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me
well, Keith isn't nameless, but he is overworked ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me Please scroll down the page a few centimeters and you will see this:- Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The number of people on this forum who still keep on sending these plaintive messages of Please unsubscribe me to some nameless person in the void, never cease to surprise me. Hanns -Original Message- From: eric almanzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 1:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me please cancel my subscription __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me
nameless? Maybe not the only one Steve. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] please unsubscribe me well, Keith isn't nameless, but he is overworked ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Next thing they will be using them in fertility clinics. Trouble is man being man it wouldnt take long to misuse them and they will probably be used to increase arousal. Have a nice day. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money they are good for hemorrhoids as well, makes the shit slide through faster. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] list
Well, that's not true -- I'm on two other egroup -- er, yahoo -- lists, and they don't have them. Perhaps the list owner just needs to tell them? I complained to yahoo, but no response yet. Anyway, if attachments are not allowed, these are attachments, so something is wrong. Greg Yohn wrote: We're stuck with them! -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] list Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] list
Hmm, wonder of wonders, now they're gone. Harmon Seaver wrote: Well, that's not true -- I'm on two other egroup -- er, yahoo -- lists, and they don't have them. Perhaps the list owner just needs to tell them? I complained to yahoo, but no response yet. Anyway, if attachments are not allowed, these are attachments, so something is wrong. Greg Yohn wrote: We're stuck with them! -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] list Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim I take a sample of biodiesel and mix with vanilla or strawberry flavoring, start by massaging her feet, pour a couple of chilled ethanol samples and turn out the lights(beauty is only a light switch away). Remember, it's not How high are you, its Hi, how are you. Please put your renewables to good use! K5, looking at the bigger picture!! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Something I've not seen before:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ccn/010522/gqjutaajys8m_hj_wmx23q.html Greenvolt Power's Unique Reverse Fuel Cell Makes Hydrogen on the Spot-Fits in with Bush-Cheney Energy Plan ORILLIA, ONTARIO-- Refcell(TM) uses less energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen from water and alleviates need for costly, inefficient transport of hydrogen gas Greenvolt Power Corp (OTCBB:GVLT - news), a development stage company specializing in alternative energy sources, today announced its new Refcell(TM), a reverse fuel cell that can be energized by wind or photovoltaic power sources and is capable of splitting water into its component gasses (hydrogen and oxygen) for multiple, cross-industry needs. Whereas fuel cells catalytically combine hydrogen and oxygen into water to generate electricity, the Refcell(TM) separates the two gasses, essentially releasing them for other purposes. The advent of the Refcell(TM), which can also supply the hydrogen needed to fuel other fuel cells, has cross-industry implications and answers the fuel needs of any company that needs hydrogen and oxygen. The Greenvolt announcement is serendipitous in light of President Bush's recent energy plan, which, though controversial, points to a near-future need for a ``hydrogen economy''. The plan also mentions possible use of hydrogen in furnaces, as well as fuel for all major modes of transport. In addition, the report suggests tax breaks for buyers of fuel cell-powered and hybrid gas-electric vehicles. ``We're very pleased that the Bush government has recognized the value of hydrogen as an ecologically convenient and efficient fuel,'' stated Thomas Faul, President and CEO of Greenvolt Power Corp, whose new Refcell(TM) produces hydrogen from water, the earth's most abundant natural resource, and alleviates the need for costly, inefficient transport of liquid and/or highly compressed hydrogen. Bush's attention to hydrogen, he continued, ``is a great boon to the whole question of reduction of carbon dioxide emissions and we are very encouraged that the government is considering supporting such activities.'' As a result of the energy task force's recommendations, fuel cell companies' stock has shown a sharp rise in the past few days. FuelCell Energy (FCEL:Nasdaq) was up $5.41, or 6.3% to $90.69, while PlugPower (PLUG:Nasdaq) jumped $4.32 or 14.8%, to $33.46. Ballard Power Systems (BLDP:Nasdaq) was up 0.7% to $57.84 while H Power Corp. stock rose $2.32 to $12.97, a 22% increase. How Greenvolt Refcell(TM) Meets Energy Demand Typically, hydrogen and oxygen are electrically separated from water with water-alkali electrolyzer devices. The GVLT Refcell(TM) requires 20% less electrical energy and features a system weight and bulk that is 6 to 9 times smaller than equivalent devices. In addition to considerable energy savings, the explosion-proof Refcell(TM) also boasts long-term durability while lowering generating costs and requiring substantially less in system capital. This is due in part to the fact that water produced in the hydrogen and oxygen-driven fuel cell is re-used by the Refcell(TM), and both gasses can be delivered to storage pressure vessels at 80 to 3000 psi without the need for compressors. The Refcell(TM) is ecologically neutral, uses no alkali or asbestos and requires only distilled water to produce 99.5% pure hydrogen and oxygen. ``After studying a number of hydrogen- and oxygen-producing technologies, we believe we have settled on the best solution,'' stated Faul. ``It is less costly, and it is proven, compact, light, competitively priced -- and it is available now. We now have a simple and immediate 'fuel supply' for our Alkaline Fuel Cells as well as for most other types of fuel cells.'' Commercial Market Applications The Refcell(TM) has broad applicability and can be used to provide a high purity supply of oxygen for: -- laboratory and basic research -- medical and hospital applications -- altitude chambers, space vehicles and submersibles (pre-compressed oxygen) Also useful as a sensor for hydrogen and other gasses, the Refcell(TM) can supply hydrogen for: -- technical uses and scientific research -- production of ceramic components in electronics -- fueling fuel cells -- hydrogen welding and certain types of metallurgical processing -- dividing hydrogen isotopes to remove deuterium and hyson out of cooling circuits of nuclear reactors Additional uses involving simultaneous supply of hydrogen and oxygen include storage of surplus energy generated by PVA (solar panels) and/or wind propeller-driven generators. The Refcell(TM) comes in three different sizes: the Ref-25, which can deliver up to 100 liters/hr. of hydrogen and up to 50 liters/hr. of oxygen; the Ref-500, which will deliver up to 2500 liters/hr. of hydrogen and up to 1250 liters/hr. of oxygen; and the Ref-1700, with delivery capability of up to 100,000 liters/hr. of hydrogen and up to 50,000 liters/hr. of
Re: [biofuel] list
Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Harmon It ain't perfect. Somewhere you should find something like this: Message Delivery Individual emails Send individual email messages Daily digest Send many emails in one message No email Don't send me email, I'll read the messages at the Web site HTML Email Conversion HTML Conversion Convert plain-text email sent to me to HTML mail No ConversionDon't change the format of email sent to me Yahoo! Profile Email Address Add Email Address Status Click the Join button to gain full access as a member of this group. Check the HTML Email Conversion settings. Might help, maybe not. Personally I don't get any banners in the emails, all plain text-only, with this message at the bottom on some messages but not on others: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] For instance, that bit wasn't on your message, but it was on Greg's. In which case a bit of junk gets dumped in one of my email program folders on the hard disk, and I clear it all out regularly. It seems to depend on the service/software people use, and maybe how they've got it set up. Well, that's not true -- I'm on two other egroup -- er, yahoo -- lists, and they don't have them. Perhaps the list owner just needs to tell them? I complained to yahoo, but no response yet. Anyway, if attachments are not allowed, these are attachments, so something is wrong. It's useless complaining to Yahoo, all you'll get is an auto-reply. If you manage to get a human response, please let me know! (But warn me so I can lie down on the floor first.) All that can be done is to switch off the attachments setting, which is switched off. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with this particular group. I'm on 19 Yahoo groups and the problem seems to be general, and random. In any event, random banners or not, it won't accept attachments. At least I don't think so - soon after I switched off the attachments setting six months or so back, someone sent an attachment and it didn't get stopped. I complained to Yahoo and got a Thankyou for your feedback auto-response and nothing more. But it hasn't happened since. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
I've used and re-used about thirty gallons of methanol so far using my hot pink vacuum still. At first I was worried about recovering water at the end of a run, so watched the condensate closely for any sign of cloudiness. I've never seen any. I don't think water can be recovered from the byproduct at anywhere near the boiling point of methanol. Dale --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison asks: A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? snip Hi Dale Thanks, good info. I don't think water can be recovered from the byproduct at anywhere near the boiling point of methanol. Now let's see if I can get this right. If it's a mixture of methanol and water that's being boiled, the boiling point of the mixture will be somewhere between the two boiling points, depending on the proportion of the mix. Of course vapours come off before boiling point is reached, but the methanol component won't boil off at the boiling point of pure methanol (64.7 deg C), while the water component remains unboiled until the temperature reaches 100 deg C. If you evaporate a liquid mixture, the vapour has a higher proportion of the more volatile components than the liquid it evaporated from. Alcohol is more volatile than water (it takes less energy to vaporise alcohol than to vaporise water). So when you boil a mix of the two, the vapour contains more alcohol - not because the alcohol component of the mix is boiling first, but because the alcohol is more volatile. So the proportion of alcohol in the boiling liquid steadily goes down, and the boiling point of the mixture steadily goes up. In a 50-50 mix the boiling point will start off being halfway between the boiling points of the two components - more alcohol lowers the boiling point, more water raises it. If you boil a mix of methanol and water, you'll get vapours of both. (How did I do, O Silent One?) If I screwed up, Dale, I'll no doubt be hearing about it and will post a correction. Thanks again. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim If you make biodiesel, the solution is at hand (so to speak)! The glycerine by-product is just the thing for you - just add nitric acid, no need to light the blue touch paper, but stand back three paces anyway, if you still have any legs to pace with. Nitroglycerin's action as an effective vasodilator (it's a heart disease drug) led in 1998 to the release of RESTORE, the first ever fully tested, effective topical cream for the safe treatment of male erectile dysfunction (impotence). http://pharmacology.about.com/library/98news/bln0309a.htm Restore contains 1% nitroglycerin and is effective within minutes of application of achieving an erection of up to 45 minutes duration. No significant side effects or instances of priapism were reported. Want to double the effect? Forget it: do NOT take Viagra (sildenafil) if you are taking any form of nitroglycerin, whether for heart pains or for heart pangs. The combination could kill you. http://onhealth.webmd.com/conditions/resource/pharmacy/multum9/item,72469.asp Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Silica Gel
What is the process for removing water from ethanol and how much silica gel do you need. Again, if 5% water is present in ethanol it will help the engine to run cooler and it will help reduce carbon deposits. Why do you need to remove it if you are using it in a gas burning engine? I'm still new at this. Regards, Ron Miller Previous messages: Two reasons for drying the alcohol: one, to make ethyl esters biodiesel, which needs anhydrous ethanol, two, to mix it with gasoline if your motor will only do E85. See: The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson, Chapter 12, Drying the alcohol. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Cornmeal Adsorber for Dehydrating Ethanol Vapors. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_grits.html Anhydrous Ethanol -- Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Solubility or Miscibility http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/anhydrous.htm Mariller method of dehydrating alcohol using glycerin http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/Dist_Eng.pdf Re fuel consumption, you can use as low as 160-proof, 180-proof is said to be a better fuel anyway, and if you use an injection system it can burn up to 50% water, with other benefits too - for instance, that engines with an injection system still retain complete dual fuel capability, and alcohol injection can be used with fuel-injected, turbocharged, and even diesel engines. See Alcohol Fuel Manual, Chapter 2, Basic Fuel Theory - Water injerction, and Chapter 3, Utilization of Alcohol Fuels - Alcohol injection http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html For ethyl esters, see: Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuels Library - Journey to Forever Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Dale, Isn't there any loss of methanol during reaction? I am surprised that you are recovering all that you use. Or did I mis-understand you? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:29 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol I've used and re-used about thirty gallons of methanol so far using my hot pink vacuum still. At first I was worried about recovering water at the end of a run, so watched the condensate closely for any sign of cloudiness. I've never seen any. I don't think water can be recovered from the byproduct at anywhere near the boiling point of methanol. Dale --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison asks: A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Dale is right, recovered methanol is OK to re-use. I have found that from biod made using 15% meth (v/v WVO), the glyc. yields 3% meth (v/v WVO) and is well worth the trouble of simple distillation at 70 deg C. Probably will use 20% in future for an easier life without unnecessary loss of costly reagent. David T Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Nope, never had the problem, so you'll have to ask someone who does. :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Say you love them with a DOMAIN NAME! www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
beautiful, simply beautiful! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim I take a sample of biodiesel and mix with vanilla or strawberry flavoring, start by massaging her feet, pour a couple of chilled ethanol samples and turn out the lights(beauty is only a light switch away). Remember, it's not How high are you, its Hi, how are you. Please put your renewables to good use! K5, looking at the bigger picture!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Reclaiming the methanol
Methanol is extremely soluble but a reflux condenser should give a good yield. Beyond that the methods cited for drying ethanol should apply. Harry in Oz. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mobile BD plant loading/ unloading
Marc, The sliding frame lowboys I was referring to in an earlier post are used for transport of large farm equipment in the US and are not the types later posters described. These are very simple to build and sturdy. They do not have drop tails but rather are flat. The axles are mounted on a sliding subframe which by unlatching the pins holding it to the main frame and dropping in pins to prevent wheel rotation allow the main frame to be slid back by backing the tow vehicle. This causes the mainframe to drop its rear end to a very low angle and equipment can then be driven or winched on from the rear to the front to until much of the weight is cover the axles. With the wheels still immobilized the tow vehicle then drags the mainframe (there are actually rollers) forward until the weight is distributed as desired on the axles. The subframe is then repinned to the mainframe and the wheels freed to rotate. The majority of the trailers I have seen have high flotation tires(to allow use on unimproved roads and fields) and a simple but sturdy suspension. While not designed for high speed I have used them myself at 50 mph which I would consider the max top speed. You may also wish to consider reinforcing the container and attaching three legged supports near the corners which could be swung down or carried along and assembled when the unit is moved on a flatbed. A lowboy flatbed would allow them to be short. These could be set up with the third leg pointing away from the unit and the two remaining within inches of the side of the trailer. Simple hydraulic jacks could then be used to raise the container up the required few inches to a foot so that the trailer could be pulled out. If you constructed a trailer which allows the side of the container to extend out a foot or so from the edge of the trailer you could even simply use hydraulic jacks and blocking to raise and lower the container. This is what I did for my houseboat (14 ton) and after a little practice I could unload it in about half an hour by myself. 15 minutes with help. 2 jacks= $60us and blocking (cut up old railroad ties) $80us. Set directly upon the blocking it is quite stable. Unless you have several containers to move I wonder if your best bet would not be to simply construct a robust trailer and leave the unit on it. Our group has decided to use a heavy 20' flatbed trailer and weld reinforcing skids to the bottom of the container which allow the wheel wells of the trailer to fit under the bottom of the container. This will allow the trailer to be used for other things as well (gathering WVO). We will then construct a low platform (about 3' high)with railroad ties and soil at each place we intend to place the container. The container will simply be winched on and off the trailer. If need be we can simply pull up the timbers and scatter the soil to abandon a site...and reuse the timbers. best of luck, Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] list
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