Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg
It is the Vw Lupo or Seat Arosa in europe (both the same car different badges) - Original Message - From: Thor Skov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg > > I read that VW has a 1.3liter engine that gets 100mpg. > I'll find the reference if you're interested. This > car is not, of course, sold in the US. > > > > --- Craig Reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This isn't exactly the answer you've requested, but > > the VW Jetta Tdi engine will > > give 45-50 mpg as installed in the Jetta and the New > > Bug. In a lighter vehicle, > > you could get 60 mpg or better. Not cheap now, but > > in a few years as they come > > available in junkyards, they will be. And you can > > buy them in the US - although > > they are scarce. The older Jetta diesels (also > > installed in Passats) are also > > very fuel efficient - are available used. > > > > And all VW diesels are supposed to work well with > > both biodiesel, with the only > > modification necessary being the replacement of any > > rubber fuel hoses with > > synthetic, with straight vegetable oil - either new > > oil or filtered fry oil, > > with the installation of a 2nd heated tank. > > > > Craig Reece > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for > > an auto that is being > > > produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing > > 60 miles per gallon. > > > > > > > = > Grants Manager > Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians > 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane > P.O. Box 277 > Arlington, WA 98223-0277 > (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant
It«s very interesting a modular plant. This is a plant that can increase following the user«s needs. One could patent the plant design and give it for free to the new companies for free years ( upto they are able pay the plant design ). All the best. - Original Message - From: John Cromarty To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] small production plant Hi. I am looking for information on a small bio-diesel plant capable of processing about 30 tonnes of used veg oil per year. So far all the commercial plants have been much larger than my needs and consequentially uneconomic. Any help would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] gasification and stove lists?
Keith; On your site, you give a link (on the http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodfire.html page) for the Stoves mailing list, which no longer works. It's for crest.org, and I queried majordomo at crest.org and there is no stoves list there anymore. I also was looking for a gasification list, and got led (by google) to crest.org, but that's not there anymore either. Any idea where these lists are located now? Or did they just die? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] White smoke!
"Dirty injectors will lean out the air/fuel mixture, causing a loss of
power, rough idle and sometimes white smoke in the exhaust. "
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us129712.htm
Other causes of lean mixture: plugged filters (air, fuel)
http://www.bitwalla.com/cruisers/tech/smoke.html
White smoke from a diesel exhaust indicates that the engine is running lean
(too little fuel in relation to the air). Possible causes of the engine
running lean are poor fuel injection pump calibration, clogged fuel filters,
or dirty fuel injectors.
http://www.cabq.gov/aircare/smoveh.html
Ed B.
www.biofuels.ca
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] White smoke!
> white smoke sounds like coolant.
>
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> From: "malcolm maclure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
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> Subject: [biofuel] White smoke!
>
>
> > Can anyone help me with a bit of a problem?
> >
> > I have just done a clutch change on our 2.5l diesel Ford transit, and
> > while the gearbox was off I had decided to change the crank oil seals
> > and sump gasket to cure the oil slick on the driveway! Everything seemed
> > to go back OK.
> >
> > I checked the timing to try to get to the bottom of the moderately heavy
> > black smoking under load - timing is spot on.
> >
> > On starting up (after the clutch change etc), tick-over sounded smooth
> > (as smooth as a high-ish mileage diesel would!) but when I open up the
> > throttle he ("Buster" - Loud & Brash!) starts spewing white smoke that
> > smells unmistakably like unburnt diesel.
> >
> > I tried slackening the 4 injector pipes in turn to try to isolate a
> > deffective injector but he still poured out white smoke in every
> > combination.
> >
> > Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? I have a few ideas, but
> > can't be sure on any of them, so if any of you have had this happen
> > before, let me know - I'm a bit "stumped"
> >
> > I'm not running on BD yet, I will be soon, I've done some test batches
> > "to cut my teeth" so I'm well on my way! But I have found the group very
> > helpfull and informative - thanks to all!
> >
> > Cheers! Malcolm (England)
> >
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Re: [biofuel] White smoke!
white smoke sounds like coolant.
Steve Spence
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- Original Message -
From: "malcolm maclure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: [biofuel] White smoke!
> Can anyone help me with a bit of a problem?
>
> I have just done a clutch change on our 2.5l diesel Ford transit, and
> while the gearbox was off I had decided to change the crank oil seals
> and sump gasket to cure the oil slick on the driveway! Everything seemed
> to go back OK.
>
> I checked the timing to try to get to the bottom of the moderately heavy
> black smoking under load - timing is spot on.
>
> On starting up (after the clutch change etc), tick-over sounded smooth
> (as smooth as a high-ish mileage diesel would!) but when I open up the
> throttle he ("Buster" - Loud & Brash!) starts spewing white smoke that
> smells unmistakably like unburnt diesel.
>
> I tried slackening the 4 injector pipes in turn to try to isolate a
> deffective injector but he still poured out white smoke in every
> combination.
>
> Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? I have a few ideas, but
> can't be sure on any of them, so if any of you have had this happen
> before, let me know - I'm a bit "stumped"
>
> I'm not running on BD yet, I will be soon, I've done some test batches
> "to cut my teeth" so I'm well on my way! But I have found the group very
> helpfull and informative - thanks to all!
>
> Cheers! Malcolm (England)
>
>
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[biofuel] Re: [energyoptions] BMW - Hydrogen Powered
misleading article. bmw does not concern itself with the source of hydrogen, which is not electrolysis as alluded to in http://student.rwu.edu/users/lg6821/page4.html, but comes from fossil fuels. the energy required to produce, chill and compress the hydrogen, negates any benefits Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: [energyoptions] BMW - Hydrogen Powered > BMW now produces a gasoline/hydrogen powered car. http://student.rwu.edu/users/lg6821/750hl.html > > > > "WE WILL REACH THE STARS" - Tesla > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: diesel motor capable of 60 mpg
I have 2, both donated to the cause Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "stujo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: diesel motor capable of 60 mpg > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Can > > anyone provide info on that motor including its possible > availability and > > cost? > > > During my second college career I purchased a 1981 VW Diesel Rabbit. > It was a plain jane model and looked like hell, but I got 50 MPG on > the highway. Of course it topped out at 80 miles per hour but > speed/power is not a big concern on a car with rollerskate wheels. I > don't recall the engine size but this may help. > > Now that I am interested in biodiesel I wish I had never sold the old > junker for $200! If anyone has any idea where I could find another > similar to it let me know. Out here in western Kansas the only > vehicles for sale are program cars of the American made type. I am > not into the looks of the vehicle, it just needs a rebuildable engine. > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
grab it! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985 > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 > No rust > runs good > > Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > > I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. > > = > http://devzero.ath.cx/ > Visit the Systems Information Database > Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. > -Martin Klingensmith > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Was Cheap H2 but getting off topic now
Dana, Keith said he was wrong about "> > > all that and not one word about ethanol." it was about ethanol and biofuels. So Keith is correct. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Was Cheap H2 but getting off topic now > Gee Keith, > Are you going to tell everyone they are wrong when > their opinions don't coincide with yours? > > I thought this was supposed to be a forum where we > could all state our thoughts and opinions freely. > > I for one would be interested in any practical > information on biofuels that anyone cares to share. > > Responding to members with an immediate "you're wrong" > statement doesn't encourage anyone to share. > > I am sorry you took MY opinions as a personal attack, > but please don't take it out on others. > > Let's lighten up here a bit. OK? > > Dana > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > all that and not one word about ethanol. > > > > You're wrong - check back and you'll see. The whole > > thing has been > > about biofuels, very much including ethanol. Many of > > the references I > > posted deal with ethanol. Many of them refer to > > sections of our > > website, where there's an entire section dealing > > with ethanol. > > Ethanol: Journey to Forever > > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html > > > > >the burning of wet ethanol and its co products is > > the silver bullet > > >for substainablty and the model farm is growing in > > a rice patty > > >in Gueydan La. > > > > I think you're wrong here too - I don't think there > > is such a thing > > as a "silver bullet for substainability". My > > previous post on this > > said there is no one-size-fits-all "best" > > technology, and explained > > why. Ethanol certainly isn't always the best answer > > in all cases. > > Nothing is. > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > Handmade Projects > > Tokyo > > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hubbert's Peak - The Impending World Oil Shortage
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691090866/qid%3D1001978973/ref%3Dsr% 5F11%5F0%5F1/104-6041233-9551122 "Hubbert's Peak - The Impending World Oil Shortage" by Princeton University geology professor and former Shell Oil R&D petroleum geologist Kenneth S. Deffeyes documents in detail: 1. How oil is formed (He describes the "oil window" as organic layers buried under 7500 feet of rock where time, temperature and pressure cause the organics to liquefy and reorganize into the molecular form of oil; more than 15,000 feet of over burden is said to cause the oil to crack resulting in natural gas instead of oil). 2. The finite nature of world oil reserves. (A function of geology and technology where nearly all of the readily available oil has already been discovered. Discovery peaked in mid-1970s, since then the world has been living off a sinking fund withdrawal of resources at an ever increasing rate of consumption). 3. The well suported fact that the world will, within the next 4-10 years, have consumed 50% of the total available oil resources of Earth for all time. The mid-point of consumption of the total world oil endowment is shown to coincide with peak production. Past the mid-point, oil supply will steadily decrease as oil reserves are depleted. He projects the rate of depletion to be 2-4% per year every year - forever. 4. The importance of the Mid-East, as that region harbors the last remaining opportunities for new oil discovery. 5. Alternative energies like nuclear and coal and renewable energy like solar, wind, hydro and biomass can only partially replace the oil and gas the world uses for gasoline, fertilzer, and petro-chemicals (lubricants, plastics, hydraulic fluid etc). These alternatives are not sufficeient to maintain the western lifestyle, nor can it support the current level of world population. Regarding when we might see a recovery in the national economy, this book suggests that the answer maybe - never. In my opinion, this is information critical to your future. It appears to me that some not all will be in position to make the transition to a Sustainable Economy. IMO, this transcends the 9-11 attacks ( these attacks could be seen as a symptom of the impending oil shortage - as the have nots resort to terror attacks over ownership of the remaining oil deposits). The good news is there is several years available for preparations. Bill Porter Cincinnati, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 98
I'm working on a small biodiesel plant design at present. It is contained within an industrial spec. trailer with an A frame on a 'fifth wheel' and has a 200l boiler, a 200l mixer and centrifugal filter/ separator. I plan to have it on the market in April 2002 ... Paddy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] White smoke!
Can anyone help me with a bit of a problem?
I have just done a clutch change on our 2.5l diesel Ford transit, and
while the gearbox was off I had decided to change the crank oil seals
and sump gasket to cure the oil slick on the driveway! Everything seemed
to go back OK.
I checked the timing to try to get to the bottom of the moderately heavy
black smoking under load - timing is spot on.
On starting up (after the clutch change etc), tick-over sounded smooth
(as smooth as a high-ish mileage diesel would!) but when I open up the
throttle he ("Buster" - Loud & Brash!) starts spewing white smoke that
smells unmistakably like unburnt diesel.
I tried slackening the 4 injector pipes in turn to try to isolate a
deffective injector but he still poured out white smoke in every
combination.
Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? I have a few ideas, but
can't be sure on any of them, so if any of you have had this happen
before, let me know - I'm a bit "stumped"
I'm not running on BD yet, I will be soon, I've done some test batches
"to cut my teeth" so I'm well on my way! But I have found the group very
helpfull and informative - thanks to all!
Cheers! Malcolm (England)
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Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Hi! I own a 96 Chev crew cab with the 6.5L TD. They are not bad engines, but they had a few bad years. In 94 they were fitted with a computerised injection pump, which turned out to be very unreliable, and is basically the reason for their poor reputation (they were REALLY bad :)). However, by around 96 or so they had the bugs worked out of them, and are now pretty reliable, though I'd recommend you get a cooler for the fuel solenoid driver (FSD) if you get one. Pre '94 had a mechanical injection pump which many people prefer. (Cheaper to replace and probably last longer). If you are looking to buy one, even a '94 can be ok if they've had a new injection pump put in (which is very likely, they were covered under an extended warranty when the problem was found, and replaced for free with the upgraded version). Just make sure you check that out cause it can be expensive. Though you can get them replaced on warrenty yourself if there's under 170,000km I *think* (check for sure if you do want to get one). All the 3 big trucks (Dodge, Ford and GM) have diesel sites dedicated to them. These are excellent sources of knowledge and help a LOT. The forums are great, with lots of very knowledgable people. Strictly in terms of engines, I'd probably go with the early dodge cummins (non 24 valve). These are very simple, very long lasting engines (reports of 600,000 miles before rebuild etc.) and generally have the best reputation among the diesel trucks. However, you have to live with the dodge wrapped around it ;-) (and their poor transmissions). The older (1st gen) dodges also get the best fuel economy, as high as 28-30 mpg. though probly more around low twenties in most situations. You can't get a crew cab dodge though, haven't made them in ages. The fords (navistar diesels) are pretty good too.. not the best economy though, and the power strokes are expensive to repair. The sites in question for the diesels are: GM: www.thedieselpage.com FORD: www.ford-diesel.com DODGE: www.turbodieselregister.com The forums are excellent in all 3, and offer a very good idea of what its like to own these engines/vehicles, and the problems people have. Ian On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 07:45:02PM -0700, robert luis rabello wrote: > > > Hello everyone! > > While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, I was in > Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin who owns a > repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive older > Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought a full > sized > 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed with the > quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple of > observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. > > My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, that I > should > avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of many parts > declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability of the > engines > likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or do these > remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? > > Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from the > traditional "diesel malady" of mediocre acceleration, coupled with voluminous, > sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 000 rpm, and > sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare an older > vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given that the > full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you > experienced a > diminishing of the "sooty exhaust" in an older diesel engine running > biodiesel or > svo? > > (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially "sparked" when I > managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter Cummins N14 > and > Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of choice back > then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them lasted well > over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the kind of > performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) > > Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by Mazda > for a > few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The 6.2 and 6.5 > liter GM engines have a poor reputation, but some people I have spoken to say > this is undeserved. I found a full sized Ford crew cab with the 7.3 turbo for > $11 000 this weekend, and though I like the crew cab, I believe making > biodiesel > for an engine that big will make a slave out of me. (I like the four cylinder > Ranger I have, but it's gasoline powered.) > > Your comments will be appreciated! > > robert luis rabello > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the lis
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
no no no Thats a terrible deal on that car. uhWhere did you say its was located Beau - Original Message - From: greg To: biofuel Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985 yes,yes,yes i just got one for $1000greg m - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985 > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 > No rust > runs good > > Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > > I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. > > = > http://devzero.ath.cx/ > Visit the Systems Information Database > Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. > -Martin Klingensmith > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
yes,yes,yes i just got one for $1000greg m - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985 > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 > No rust > runs good > > Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > > I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. > > = > http://devzero.ath.cx/ > Visit the Systems Information Database > Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. > -Martin Klingensmith > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BMW - Hydrogen Powered
BMW now produces a gasoline/hydrogen powered car. http://student.rwu.edu/users/lg6821/750hl.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: diesel motor capable of 60 mpg
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can > anyone provide info on that motor including its possible availability and > cost? During my second college career I purchased a 1981 VW Diesel Rabbit. It was a plain jane model and looked like hell, but I got 50 MPG on the highway. Of course it topped out at 80 miles per hour but speed/power is not a big concern on a car with rollerskate wheels. I don't recall the engine size but this may help. Now that I am interested in biodiesel I wish I had never sold the old junker for $200! If anyone has any idea where I could find another similar to it let me know. Out here in western Kansas the only vehicles for sale are program cars of the American made type. I am not into the looks of the vehicle, it just needs a rebuildable engine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Mercedes 300D - 1985
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 No rust runs good Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > Yes, I've been looking for a deal like that for a long time! I've never seen 'em w/o rust around here either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hydrogen Generators Using Water Electrolysis
If you like home made energy here's a (water electrolysis) hydrogen generator. Of course you'll need electricity to operate it, but that can always come from home based, renewable sources. http://www.stuartenergy.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 648
Instead of installing the motor in a readily available US car chassis, you could go and pick up a used VW Golf/Passat?Jetta TDi, which will get an honest 50 MP US Gallon, running on the interstate, A/C on, 4 pax, full trunk, 80 MPH. I paid $10,775 for mine (89K miles), it now has 110K, and runs like new! Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
Yes. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985 > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 > No rust > runs good > > Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > > I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. > > = > http://devzero.ath.cx/ > Visit the Systems Information Database > Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. > -Martin Klingensmith > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
Very good price if it doesn't need major work - which is expensive on Mercedes (everything is expensive on a Mercedes - except for the fuel if you make your own or use fry oil.) I'd take it to a good independent Mercedes shop and pay them to check it out thoroughly. Craig Reece Martin Klingensmith wrote: > I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 > Model year 1985 > No rust > runs good > > Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc > > I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. > > = > http://devzero.ath.cx/ > Visit the Systems Information Database > Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. > -Martin Klingensmith > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Was Cheap H2 but getting off topic now
Keith may sound intruding if you don't know the way he speaks I guess, he was just trying to say that there is no one technology that is going to "save the world". You are more than free to voice your opinions. Everyone should cut off their second smallest toe on their left foot because it interferes with the flow of karma. This is my opinion. Does anyone agree? My point being that no one has to agree with anyone else's opinion, just tolerate it. --- Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gee Keith, > Are you going to tell everyone they are wrong when > their opinions don't coincide with yours? > > I thought this was supposed to be a forum where we > could all state our thoughts and opinions freely. > > I for one would be interested in any practical > information on biofuels that anyone cares to share. > > Responding to members with an immediate "you're wrong" > statement doesn't encourage anyone to share. > > I am sorry you took MY opinions as a personal attack, > but please don't take it out on others. > > Let's lighten up here a bit. OK? > > Dana > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > all that and not one word about ethanol. > > > > You're wrong - check back and you'll see. The whole > > thing has been > > about biofuels, very much including ethanol. Many of > > the references I > > posted deal with ethanol. Many of them refer to > > sections of our > > website, where there's an entire section dealing > > with ethanol. > > Ethanol: Journey to Forever > > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html > > > > >the burning of wet ethanol and its co products is > > the silver bullet > > >for substainablty and the model farm is growing in > > a rice patty > > >in Gueydan La. > > > > I think you're wrong here too - I don't think there > > is such a thing > > as a "silver bullet for substainability". My > > previous post on this > > said there is no one-size-fits-all "best" > > technology, and explained > > why. Ethanol certainly isn't always the best answer > > in all cases. > > Nothing is. > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > Handmade Projects > > Tokyo > > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > = http://devzero.ath.cx/ Visit the Systems Information Database Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Mercedes 300D - 1985
I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 Model year 1985 No rust runs good Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc I know there was a discussion going on about the Mercedes diesel's on here. = http://devzero.ath.cx/ Visit the Systems Information Database Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New Distillers FAQ
"NEW DISTILLERS" Frequently Asked Questions (Sept'01) Posted near the 1st of each month, to the NEW_DISTILLERS newsgroup at www.yahoogroups.com Please email any additions, corrections, clarifications required, etc regarding the FAQ to Tony Ackland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), however please direct any general questions to the newsgroup itself. *** 1) Is distilling hard to do ? 2) Is it legal ? 3) Will it make me blind ? 4) Whats the difference between a pot still, reflux still, and fractionating column ? 5) How do I get or make a still ? 6) How do I make a whisky / rum / vodka / gin ? 7) Should I use sugar or grains ? 8) Can I use fruit wine ? 9) How do I get rid of that "off-taste" ? 10) How do I measure the strength of it & dilute it ? 11) How do I flavour/turn the vodka's into something else ? 12) What web resources are there ? 13) How do I contact the NEW DISTILLERS news group ? 14) Can I run my car on it ? 15) How do I convert between gallons and litres and 16) What is a "Thumper" ? 17) Can I use a reflux still to make rum or whisky ? ** 1) Is distilling hard to do ? Nope - if you can follow instructions enough to bake scones, then you can sucessfully distil. To distil well however, will require you to understand what you're doing, so read around and get a bit of information under your belt before you begin. 2) Is it legal ? Probably not. It is only legal in New Zealand, and some European countries turn a blind eye to it, but elsewhere it is illegal, with punishment ranging from fines to imprisonment or floggings. This action against it is usually the result of either religous beliefs (right or wrong), but more generally due to the great revenue base it provides Governements through excise taxes. So if you are going to distil, just be aware of the potential legal ramifications. 3) Will it make me blind ? Not if you're careful. This pervasive question is due to moonshine lore, which abounds with myths of blindness, but few actual documented cases. The concern is due to the presence of methanol (wood alcohol), an optic nerve poison, which can be present in small amounts when fermenting grains or fruits high in pectin. This methanol comes off first from the still, so it is easily segregated and discarded. A simple rule of thumb for this is to throw away the first 50 mL you collect (per 20 L mash used). Probably the greatest risk to your health during distilling is the risk of fire - collecting a flammable liquid near a heat source. So keep a fire extinguisher nearby. 4) Whats the difference between a pot still, reflux still, and fractionating column ? A pot still simply collects and condenses the alcohol vapours that come off the boiling mash. This will result in an alcohol at about 40-60% purity, with plenty of flavour in it. If this distillate were put through the pot still again, it would increase in purity to around 70-85% purity, and lose a bit of its flavour. A reflux still does these multiple distillations in one single go, by having some packing in a column between the condensor & the pot, and allowing some of the vapour to condense and trickle back down through the packing. This "reflux" of liquid helps clean the rising vapour and increase the % purity. The taller the packed column, and the more reflux liquid, the purer the product will be. The advantage of doing this is that it will result in a clean vodka, with little flavour to it - ideal for mixing with flavours etc. A fractionating column is a pure form of the reflux still. It will condense all the vapour at the top of the packing, and return about 9/10 back down the column. The column will be quite tall - say 600-1200mm (2-4 foot), and packed with a material high in surface area, but which takes up little space (pot scrubbers are good for this). It will result in an alcohol 95%+ pure (the theoretical limit without using a vacuum is 96.48 %(by volume)), with no other tastes or impurities in it. 5) How do I get or make a still ? If you're after a pot still, these are generally home made using what-ever you have at hand - say copper tubing and old water heaters or pressure cookers. Reflux stills can be made from plans on the net, or bought from several manufacturers. For reflux stil plans see Stillmakers "Build a World Class Distillation Apparatus" at http://www.Moonshine-Still.com (Free!) or Gert Strands : http://partyman.se/Engelsk/default.htm (US$5). A good book is Ian Smileys "Making Pure Corn Whisky" at http://www.magma.ca/~smiley/main.htm, with full design details. See the list of "web resources" below for links to sites selling ready-made stills. For fuel alcohol stills see the Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel manual at http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meToC.html, and the The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of
Re: Re: [biofuel] Was Cheap H2 but getting off topic now
Gee Keith, Are you going to tell everyone they are wrong when their opinions don't coincide with yours? I thought this was supposed to be a forum where we could all state our thoughts and opinions freely. I for one would be interested in any practical information on biofuels that anyone cares to share. Responding to members with an immediate "you're wrong" statement doesn't encourage anyone to share. I am sorry you took MY opinions as a personal attack, but please don't take it out on others. Let's lighten up here a bit. OK? Dana --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > all that and not one word about ethanol. > > You're wrong - check back and you'll see. The whole > thing has been > about biofuels, very much including ethanol. Many of > the references I > posted deal with ethanol. Many of them refer to > sections of our > website, where there's an entire section dealing > with ethanol. > Ethanol: Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html > > >the burning of wet ethanol and its co products is > the silver bullet > >for substainablty and the model farm is growing in > a rice patty > >in Gueydan La. > > I think you're wrong here too - I don't think there > is such a thing > as a "silver bullet for substainability". My > previous post on this > said there is no one-size-fits-all "best" > technology, and explained > why. Ethanol certainly isn't always the best answer > in all cases. > Nothing is. > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: sustainable Agriculture? Was Cheap H2
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > all that and not one word about ethanol. You're wrong - check back and you'll see. The whole thing has been about biofuels, very much including ethanol. Many of the references I posted deal with ethanol. Many of them refer to sections of our website, where there's an entire section dealing with ethanol. Ethanol: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html >the burning of wet ethanol and its co products is the silver bullet >for substainablty and the model farm is growing in a rice patty >in Gueydan La. I think you're wrong here too - I don't think there is such a thing as a "silver bullet for substainability". My previous post on this said there is no one-size-fits-all "best" technology, and explained why. Ethanol certainly isn't always the best answer in all cases. Nothing is. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for managers...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Can you give us a clue as to location ? > Forget it - the whole episode was an aberration. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant
I am in the Shetland Islands, UK. - Original Message - From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant > Where are you(approxiamately? > - Original Message - > From: John Cromarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:36 PM > Subject: [biofuels-biz] small production plant > > > > Hi. > > I am looking for information on a small bio-diesel plant capable of > processing about 30 tonnes of used veg oil per year. So far all the > commercial plants have been much larger than my needs and consequentially > uneconomic. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel at WebConX > > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Hello, My family has a 6 cyl 1984 GM Diesel Cutlass Supreme. It has about 250,000 miles on it. We've had it over a year and the only maintenance we've had to do on it is replace the starter motor. When we started using Bio-diesel in it, we noticed it didn't leave a cloud of soot behind like it used to with diesel. It seemed to have better acceleration and it didn't "knock" as much.And, since we use WVO from a restaurant, the exhaust smells like fried fish! :-) On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:45:02 -0700 robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hello everyone! > > While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, > I was in > Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin > who owns a > repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive > older > Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought > a full sized > 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed > with the > quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple > of > observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. > > My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, > that I should > avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of > many parts > declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability > of the engines > likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or > do these > remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? > > Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from > the > traditional "diesel malady" of mediocre acceleration, coupled with > voluminous, > sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 > 000 rpm, and > sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare > an older > vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given > that the > full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you > experienced a > diminishing of the "sooty exhaust" in an older diesel engine running > biodiesel or > svo? > > (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially > "sparked" when I > managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter > Cummins N14 and > Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of > choice back > then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them > lasted well > over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the > kind of > performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) > > Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by > Mazda for a > few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The > 6.2 and 6.5 > liter GM engines have a poor reputation, but some people I have > spoken to say > this is undeserved. I found a full sized Ford crew cab with the 7.3 > turbo for > $11 000 this weekend, and though I like the crew cab, I believe > making biodiesel > for an engine that big will make a slave out of me. (I like the > four cylinder > Ranger I have, but it's gasoline powered.) > > Your comments will be appreciated! > > robert luis rabello > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cheap diesels,imports,progane
Izuzu Motors makes diesels in Toledo,OH Schools auction of alot of 4-cyl diesels, I've bought them for $500,usually can get what you pay for. Chevy 350/5.7 was a great diesel, I got 30-32 mpg with a full size Buick, the motors lasted as you drove, why do you take off full throttle at stop lights? Thats where most of your fuel is consumed, better yet, don't stop 'em. Many last for 100,000's of thousand miles Used truck market is low, many trucks for sale, call you local bank and see what they have. Many schools used propane diesels, great when propane is $.50/gal or maybe butane at $.25 Call your local school and ask how much their selling for. Used trucks check out www.truck.net They might have some for sale Click on the round table tab and visit the round table and learn about trucking, at least alot of answers about diesels and the people who drive 'em! Tell 'em king fa sent ya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cheap diesels,imports,progane
Izuzu Motors makes diesels in Toledo,OH Schools auction of alot of 4-cyl diesels, I've bought them for $500,usually can get what you pay for. Chevy 350/5.7 was a great diesel, I got 30-32 mpg with a full size Buick, the motors lasted as you drove, why do you take off full throttle at stop lights? Thats where most of your fuel is consumed, better yet, don't stop 'em. Many last for 100,000's of thousand miles Used truck market is low, many trucks for sale, call you local bank and see what they have. Many schools used propane diesels, great when propane is $.50/gal or maybe butane at $.25 Call your local school and ask how much their selling for. Used trucks check out www.truck.net They might have some for sale Click on the round table tab and visit the round table and learn about trucking, at least alot of answers about diesels and the people who drive 'em! Tell 'em king fa sent ya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant
Where are you(approxiamately? - Original Message - From: John Cromarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] small production plant > Hi. > I am looking for information on a small bio-diesel plant capable of processing about 30 tonnes of used veg oil per year. So far all the commercial plants have been much larger than my needs and consequentially uneconomic. > Any help would be appreciated. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://us.click.yahoo.com/d49MCB/3WDDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
