[biofuel] Re: Help with Making Biodiesel from WVO
Ian, > 2Material fully reacts but no glycerol separates - I have tried adding water after 24 hours but there seems to be a very high water tolerance leading to a very inefficient split of ester to glycerol/water. Material doesn't react. The only sign of a transesterification reaction is separation. get rid of the water in your oil/alcohol. > I have read most of the material found easily on the web and tried direct esterification with sulfuric acid or phosphoric acid as a starting point but without consistent success. Phosphoric acid doesn't catalize. Acid catalized esterification/transesterification requires anhidrous conditions, works with H2SO4 95% or more, reflux of dehidrated alcohol would be suitable. Reactiond should be done at 45 deg C or higher. Alcohol should be introduced at min 5 mol per mol of oil to a max of 6 mol per mol of oil. Acid catalized reactions can't be done to perform a 100% conversion. Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Help with Making Biodiesel from WVO
Ian writes: >2Material fully reacts but no glycerol separates - I have tried >adding water after 24 hours but there seems to be a very high water >tolerance leading to a very inefficient split of ester to >glycerol/water. With particularly high-FFA WVO (which yours must be to give such gelling problems), I've found straight ethanol, even totally anhydrous, will fail to give separation. The only fix I've found is to include some methanol (say 15% of your total alcohols) in the mix. If your alcohol is already denatured with some methanol, you won't need to add as much, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Help with Making Biodiesel from WVO
Hello All, I'm fairly new to this group and have been lurking in the wings for a while now. I must admit there is certainly a lot of traffic (no pun intended) Anyway, down to business I have been experimenting with Rapeseed oil to make a form of biodiesel using ethanol as the alcohol fraction to make ethyl esters. When I try making a similar product using waste frying oil I find the following problems: 1Material gels with sodium hydroxide catalyst - largely overcome by adding a little extra ethanol at the start or using potassium hydroxide (Filtration of a WVO/ethanol mix through lime helps remove excess interfering free fatty acids.) 2Material fully reacts but no glycerol separates - I have tried adding water after 24 hours but there seems to be a very high water tolerance leading to a very inefficient split of ester to glycerol/water. 3Distilling excess alcohol from the mix once the reaction has completed does not seem to help clean WVO ester but does improve fresh veg oil esters. 4Varying the catalyst level does not seem to help. A minimum critical quantity is needed excess just gets in the way. (I don't normally titrate but make a series of mini batches to get the best reaction) I have read most of the material found easily on the web and tried direct esterification with sulfuric acid or phosphoric acid as a starting point but without consistent success. Can anyone shed any light on these matters? Many thanks, Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EFI & Gasifiers
Has anyone every tried running an engine with EFI on a gasifier (or even on propane)? Obviously the woodgas isn't going to be running thru the injection system itself, per se, but if it was piped into the air intake somewhere -- not sure if you'd want it upsteam or downstream of the airflow meter, since that changes mixture according to air temp as well as flow. Probably would be okay to let it use *some* gasoline, you'd get better power, but I'd think it would only use minimal amounts. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 'Old smokey was More Ballard (fuel cell)
Did they sell early Hyundai's where you live? ;-) - Original Message - From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 'Old smokey was More Ballard (fuel cell) > I seen one this year. Its been a few years since I've seenum out in force. > In fact blacksmokebelchingsemis are a rare occurrence for me. Must be working. > > > ...And while we're at it, let's work harder to haul those super-emitters > > (bluesmokewornguidesandringspetrolcars) off the road. They're worse to > > follow than an old diesel. It's ridiculous to spend one dime on programs, > > research, and new technology when we still let those run around - might as > > well just give those of limited means some money to get those things tuned > > up and fixed, we'd be further ahead. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 'Old smokey was More Ballard (fuel cell)
I seen one this year. Its been a few years since I've seenum out in force. In fact blacksmokebelchingsemis are a rare occurrence for me. Must be working. > ...And while we're at it, let's work harder to haul those super-emitters > (bluesmokewornguidesandringspetrolcars) off the road. They're worse to > follow than an old diesel. It's ridiculous to spend one dime on programs, > research, and new technology when we still let those run around - might as > well just give those of limited means some money to get those things tuned > up and fixed, we'd be further ahead. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 'Old smokey was More Ballard (fuel cell)
Nice, for the RV crowd, but silent power for RV's is already available in the form of PV panels, so is this application going to go anywhere if it costs more than those? Anyway, outfitting an RV with a fuel cell will accomplish nothing in terms of air quality, which is why we're all supposed to be all excited about fuel cells. Meanwhile, There are about 200 million diesels in the world, and 20 million more built every year, and demand is growing. These will be in service for decades. It will be a while before fuel cells take over the market. Meanwhile there is about a 50 year need for biodiesel and ethanol as at least a portion of the fuel used. Urban air would be a lot more pleasant if all diesels were running ULSD and B20. With the health effects that have now been attributed to petroleum diesel exhaust, there is no excuse not to bring those emissions down today. Biofuels are the cheapest, easiest way to do that. Tell the politicians and regulators the diesel is ok for now, but the fuel must be improved dramatically - and tell them how it can be cleaned up considerably. We don't have to be able to drink the exhaust - just to be able to breath in the same vicinity as a transit bus or dump truck would be nice. ...And while we're at it, let's work harder to haul those super-emitters (bluesmokewornguidesandringspetrolcars) off the road. They're worse to follow than an old diesel. It's ridiculous to spend one dime on programs, research, and new technology when we still let those run around - might as well just give those of limited means some money to get those things tuned up and fixed, we'd be further ahead. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell) > > --- Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > According to this WSJ article Ballard released its' > "first commercial product, a fuel-cell module for > stationary or portable uses" last week. > > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB1002049259455819160.html > > I wonder if this isn't the Coleman/Pwermate product? > > > Theres more! > > "On the road, fuel cells are likely to begin powering > small numbers of vehicles within the next two to three > years. But several manufacturers, including Ford, > DaimlerChrysler and GM, have said it will be the end > of the decade before they might start selling large > numbers of fuel-cell-powered cars and trucks." > > Dana > > > > / > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell)
--- Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: According to this WSJ article Ballard released its' "first commercial product, a fuel-cell module for stationary or portable uses" last week. http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB1002049259455819160.html I wonder if this isn't the Coleman/Pwermate product? Theres more! "On the road, fuel cells are likely to begin powering small numbers of vehicles within the next two to three years. But several manufacturers, including Ford, DaimlerChrysler and GM, have said it will be the end of the decade before they might start selling large numbers of fuel-cell-powered cars and trucks." Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant
Hello John Cromarty and all, if you want to build yourself the biodiesel reactor for waste vegetable oil, look this web: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_simon.html and http://www.veggiepower.org.uk/ The last one is from UK like you. Best regards, Mauro Ariel Knudsen. - ÀLo probaste? Gratis y para toda la vida: Correo Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Cetane Number
Hello all, some days ago I readed a discution about Cetane Number from diferent fuels (Diesel 1 and 2, and Biodiesel), if anyone wants to know, how many cetane number had the diferent biodiesels (depending on raw material used and alcohol used) you can see all this information in: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Best regards, Mauro Ariel knudsen. - ÀLo probaste? Gratis y para toda la vida: Correo Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Disney land in December?
Disney land is in California. Disney World is in Florida. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell)
Hi Robert, It is my understanding that Ballard has sold quite a few fuel cells though of course it would be difficult to walk in and purchase one at the moment. I suppose these could be considered "working prototypes" as they are the first production from their manufacturing facilities and as I understand it mostly consisted of stationary powerplants constructed of huge banks of their currently produced proprietary fuel cell. Word was that these units were as much to get hours on the cells in an extended test as to generate profit (mostly from the news of the fuel cell sales) so the term working prototype might be appropriate. If I recall correctly most of these were sold to customers in Japan and were to be run on natural gas as a fuel source. Coleman (Powermate) recently announced that it expects to have Ballard fuel cell RV generators for sale within the next year as well. Logical use as folks that are willing to pay the big bucks for a RV won't mind the initial cost and won't have to turn off their generators to allow their neighbors to sleep as they do now in most RV parks. Also didn't an American automaker just put in a 20 million dollar order for the first production units designed for cars less than a month ago? It seems to me that some of the recent mergers may be designed to allow a quick ramp up in production to beat out their competition in the near future. Of course it could all be clever corporate manipulation of their stock values. Lord knows that is not uncommon. I agree that even given their reputed efficiency their initial cost will have to drastically decline before they approach the economic efficiency of diesels. I am nearly certain that the first million fuel cell powered vehicles will be grossly overpriced and probably less reliable that conventional powerplants. Still I see the heavy investment in Ballard and other fuel cell research companies by large corporations who want some control of their product as a positive sign. And of course fuel cells are not pollution free...just less polluting than our current powerplants. Except of course WVO/SVO/and BD fueled vehicles. Dana >snip< __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Disney land in December?
WOBURN, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 3, 2001--The Center for Business Intelligence is proud to announce it's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference, to be held December 3-4, 2001 at The Omni Colonnade in Miami, FL. Hear the latest technologies, applications, markets and investments opportunities for Fuel Cells at CBI's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference. The program addresses what private equity companies look for when identifying new technology investment opportunities. Attend this conference and examine, learn and understand issues such as: The operating cost differential between fuel cells and traditional generation for industrial customers How using fuel cells during times of peak demand can minimize risks and costs- Compare to other temporary power alternatives Siting fuel cells systems- Determine where they will have the biggest impact on reliability to end users Special Highlighted Presentation: Achieve Market Penetration for Solid Oxide Fuel Cells, Led by: Dr. Subhash Singhal, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory A Case Study on the Texas Fuel Cell Partnership- Using Fuel Cells to Power Emissions Monitoring Equipment Plus! Choose from 2 Pre-Conference Workshops on Monday, December 3, 2001: Workshop A- A Primer- Fuel Cell Technology and Commercialization Update Workshop B- Developing Automotive and Transportation Applications for Fuel Cells CBI's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference is a great way to network with colleagues and clients! We look forward to seeing you on December 3, 2001 in Miami, Fl. To Register, or for more information, contact Glen Manseau, PH: 781- 939-2513 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mention your priority code, PB173PR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Now they might be showing up in your local junk yard!!
Accidents happen every day and then they end up in scrap yards, talk to your insurance agent and ask them! EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 3, 2001--AURA SYSTEMS, INC. (OTC BB: AURA - news) announced today that the Ford Motor Co. will feature the AuraGen/ICS (inverter charger system) on two F-Series trucks. The trucks will be part of the Ford exhibit at the International Truck and Bus Meeting and Exhibition (ITB) to be held at the Navy Pier in Chicago on November 12-14. ITB is sponsored by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). The AuraGen ICS option turns the AuraGen into a complete power management system. The system provides AC power to the truck user either with the truck engine operating or with the engine off. The transitions between the engine on and off modes are totally transparent to the user both operationally and in power quality, without any spikes or interruptions. The ICS requires an auxiliary battery pack, which is used to provide the power, while the engine is off. When the battery charge is low the user is alerted by the system to turn the engine on. As soon as the engine is turned on the system switches the power generation to the AuraGen and simultaneously charges the battery pack. Secondarily, the AuraGen/ICS system is used during driving to draw energy for power spikes from the battery complement without affecting the engine idling speed or operation in any way. The system also provides DC power for 12 or 24-Volt systems and will be available for 42-Volt systems where required. Aura designed the new AuraGen ICS system to answer needs in a variety of industries. Some of the industries include Emergency/Rescue vehicles including police, medical and fire; Recreational vehicles; mobile food catering; telecommunications; municipal services; and long distance hauling. For more information about the AuraGen, see the company's website, http://www.aurasystems.com/. Aura Systems, Inc., a leader in electromagnetic systems, is located in El Segundo, CA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] info for Steve Spencer
Hi Steve, With regard to the Polish plant - I think they just do not have it in their offer. jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell)
efficiency. it requires energy to get the hydrogen out of the hydride. heat from an ICE could be used for this purpose. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell) > How about hydride storage and for purity an aluminum molecular seive? > > -Original Message- > From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:01 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell) > > > > > Dana Linscott wrote: > > > Here is some more recent info on what I consider the > > leader in fuel cell technology. These folks are > > actually selling fuel cells right now. Major > > investments have been made in Ballard by big > > automakers in the past few years. Too much money to be > > a "red herring". > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/mf/011002/plate_011002.html > > > > Dana > > Hello Dana! > > Ballard hasn't sold a single fuel cell it its history. What they have > done is develop working prototypes, and they're selling manufacturing > licenses to interested companies. You cannot go to Ballard and buy a fuel > cell. (In fact, you'll have a VERY hard time getting past the reception > area!) > > Yes, the auto makers are setting up license agreements, and yes, money > is > changing hands, but the money is buying control, not product. If you read > the article you've linked to, you will learn that nobody has actually paid a > penny for a fuel cell. Here's a quip: > > "Ballard will also get a significant cash infusion from Daimler and Ford. > Combined, the automakers will invest > an additional $69 million in Ballard, which will only add to Ballard's > impressive war chest. > > The automakers have extended not only their investment in Ballard, but also > their operational dependency. The > new 20-year alliance between Ballard and both Daimler and Ford will be much > simpler -- and cheaper -- than > the old alliance, and seemingly assures Ballard of customers when its > automotive fuel cells are ready for the > market, hopefully sometime in the next two to four years." > > Note the word "hopefully". Note the "two to four year" time frame. > I've > been hearing this kind of thing for a long time, and I have become quite > skeptical! > > Personally, I hope Ballard can make its fuel cell technology work. I > hope they can make a killing selling fuel cell licenses to the automobile > industry. (Ballard is a local company up here.) I would LOVE to see a > "hydrogen economy" come to fruition, but I've been waiting for over thirty > years for this to happen, and vexing problems remain. The biggest one stems > from the fact that nobody has figured out the storage problem, and the PEM > fuel cells Ballard has developed require hydrogen of exceptional purity. > > Steve Spence posted a link to a company a couple of days ago. If you're > interested in hydrogen, this should intrigue you: > > http://www.millenniumcell.com/solutions/white_hydrogen.html > > Even with fuel cells driving electric motors, a good diesel engine is > still very hard to beat, and the technology to produce them, as well as the > infrastructure to fuel them, is already well developed. Perhaps we should > be > exploring supplemental H2 injection in diesel engines as a way to reduce > emissions and remove the only REAL drawback to modern diesels. Why waste > your time with fuel cells when a small diesel, driving a gen set, will power > a hybrid electric vehicle with equal, if not superior fuel efficiency? > > robert luis rabello > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001 > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel a
Re: [biofuels-biz] processing of waste vegetable oil...
Is there any reason their plant can't use waste oil, or is it only that they haven't? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: "Jan Surwka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:35 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] processing of waste vegetable oil... > Keith and all, > > You are right neither the plant from Dick Carlstein nor the one from Poland process used oil - they > process only virgin oils. > > thank you for the reminding me of this. > > jan surowka > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > P.S> > > I have no web site of Dick Carlstein - the only thing I had was his e-mail address. > I was trying to e-mail him the general copy of my previous message but it failed. > > regarding web site of the Polis Insitute - I do not know. > but I was with them several times over phone and was "handed over" to the potential producers > with whom they have production agreements - I was advised to purchase the plant from them. > > The price quoted to me was PLN 46000 i.e. about US$ 11,000 (eleven thousand US dollars). > If you Blair are still interested I can try to get in touch with the Institute and try to convince them > about selling know-how i.e. design instead of the metalwork by one of their licencees. > > jan > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] processing of waste vegetable oil...
Keith and all, You are right neither the plant from Dick Carlstein nor the one from Poland process used oil - they process only virgin oils. thank you for the reminding me of this. jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S> I have no web site of Dick Carlstein - the only thing I had was his e-mail address. I was trying to e-mail him the general copy of my previous message but it failed. regarding web site of the Polis Insitute - I do not know. but I was with them several times over phone and was "handed over" to the potential producers with whom they have production agreements - I was advised to purchase the plant from them. The price quoted to me was PLN 46000 i.e. about US$ 11,000 (eleven thousand US dollars). If you Blair are still interested I can try to get in touch with the Institute and try to convince them about selling know-how i.e. design instead of the metalwork by one of their licencees. jan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell)
How about hydride storage and for purity an aluminum molecular seive? -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:01 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More Ballard (fuel cell) Dana Linscott wrote: > Here is some more recent info on what I consider the > leader in fuel cell technology. These folks are > actually selling fuel cells right now. Major > investments have been made in Ballard by big > automakers in the past few years. Too much money to be > a "red herring". > > http://biz.yahoo.com/mf/011002/plate_011002.html > > Dana Hello Dana! Ballard hasn't sold a single fuel cell it its history. What they have done is develop working prototypes, and they're selling manufacturing licenses to interested companies. You cannot go to Ballard and buy a fuel cell. (In fact, you'll have a VERY hard time getting past the reception area!) Yes, the auto makers are setting up license agreements, and yes, money is changing hands, but the money is buying control, not product. If you read the article you've linked to, you will learn that nobody has actually paid a penny for a fuel cell. Here's a quip: "Ballard will also get a significant cash infusion from Daimler and Ford. Combined, the automakers will invest an additional $69 million in Ballard, which will only add to Ballard's impressive war chest. The automakers have extended not only their investment in Ballard, but also their operational dependency. The new 20-year alliance between Ballard and both Daimler and Ford will be much simpler -- and cheaper -- than the old alliance, and seemingly assures Ballard of customers when its automotive fuel cells are ready for the market, hopefully sometime in the next two to four years." Note the word "hopefully". Note the "two to four year" time frame. I've been hearing this kind of thing for a long time, and I have become quite skeptical! Personally, I hope Ballard can make its fuel cell technology work. I hope they can make a killing selling fuel cell licenses to the automobile industry. (Ballard is a local company up here.) I would LOVE to see a "hydrogen economy" come to fruition, but I've been waiting for over thirty years for this to happen, and vexing problems remain. The biggest one stems from the fact that nobody has figured out the storage problem, and the PEM fuel cells Ballard has developed require hydrogen of exceptional purity. Steve Spence posted a link to a company a couple of days ago. If you're interested in hydrogen, this should intrigue you: http://www.millenniumcell.com/solutions/white_hydrogen.html Even with fuel cells driving electric motors, a good diesel engine is still very hard to beat, and the technology to produce them, as well as the infrastructure to fuel them, is already well developed. Perhaps we should be exploring supplemental H2 injection in diesel engines as a way to reduce emissions and remove the only REAL drawback to modern diesels. Why waste your time with fuel cells when a small diesel, driving a gen set, will power a hybrid electric vehicle with equal, if not superior fuel efficiency? robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
