[biofuels-biz] Fwd: ENERGIES... week of 1/13/02

[Keith Addison]

>Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:02:09 -0500
>Subject: ENERGIES... week of 1/13/02
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>X-Priority: 3
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>
>ENERGIES...  week of January 13, 2002
>
>WORLD WIND WATCH. The first year of the Third Millennium saw global
>wind generating capacity grow by 31 percent to 23,300 megawatts - enough
>power for more than 23 million people according to the Earth Policy
>Institute.
>The U.S. alone saw an additional 1694 megawatts installed last year
>at an investment of  $1.7 billion. Total wind capacity in the States is
>now 4258 megawatts, this according to the America Wind Energy
>Association (AWEA).
>Germany is still the world leader in wind capacity at 8000
>megawatts, 1890 of which were installed in 2001. The U.S is in spot
>number 2 while Spain with 3300 megawatts is in third.  Fourth place goes
>to Denmark with 2500 megawatts installed. Denmark gets 18 percent of its
>power from the wind, according to the Earth Policy Institute.
>Earth Policy also indicates that wind resources in just three states
>- North Dakota, Kansas and Texas - could satisfy the electric power
>needs of the whole United States. The AWEA is quite a bit more
>conservative, saying the U.S could have 20 percent of its power
>generated by the wind - all resources combined.
>The cost of wind-produced electricity keeps dropping, too. A good
>windy site with state-of-the-art megawatt-class turbines can produce
>power at 4 cents per kilowatt hour - nearly competitive with
>conventional energy sources.
>Wind power is already off to a good start this year as well.
> -- According to wire reports Vestas Wind Systems of Denmark is
>saying it will finally build a U.S. turbine factory. Plans are to build
>in Portland, Oregon where eventually employment could reach 700.
> -- British utility Powergen is considering a 500 megawatt offshore
>facility near the mouth of the Thames.
> -- Proyectos Eolicos Valencianos, a subsidiary of ENDESA
>Cogeneracion y Renovables, has been awarded a contract to install 498
>megawatts in the Valencia region of Spain. Turbines for three sites will
>be supplied by Spanish turbine manufacturer MADE.
> -- Also in Spain U.S. based TXU, along with 4 partners, will
>develop two sites in Aragon with a combined capacity of 99 megawatts.
> -- At their jointly owned Nerefco oil refinery near Rotterdam, BP
>and ChevronTexaco will build a 22.5 megawatt wind facility. Power be
>will sold to the grid, not used in refining operations.
> -- Two companies - NoordzeeWind and North Sea Wind Power - are in
>neck-to-neck competition to build a 100-megawatt facility off the coast
>of The Netherlands.
> -- In Norway, Norsk Hydro is planning a 40 megawatt facility at
>Havoeygavlen.
> -- Greece will have 46 megawatts of new wind energy in place when
>fifty-one 900 kilowatt turbines from NEG - Micon, also of Denmark, are
>installed by International Wind Parks of Thrace and Wind Parks of
>Thrace.
> -- Even residents of Tokyo, Japan will have a small fraction of
>their power generated by the wind. The city is planning to install two
>turbines on reclaimed land in Tokyo Bay later this year.
>If all the above projects included in this story are built, there
>will be more than 1300 megawatts of new emission-free power on the
>planet - enough electricity for daily needs of more than 1.3 million
>people.
>It is now the middle of the first month of the new year.
>Visit the Earth Policy Institute at http://www.earth-policy.org/ and
>the AWEA at http://www.awea.org/ .
>
>ENERGY SAVING SOFTWARE. Most new computers come with a feature -
>often known by the name Energy Star - that can be used to shut-off or
>power-down the machine if it's not used for extended periods.  But
>according to software maker EZConserve, studies have shown that as many
>as 75 percent of computer users disable this feature.
>U.S. businesses could be wasting $1.6 billion per year for
>electricity used to power computers that are left on, but idle. The
>Federal Government could be spending/wasting an equal amount. (Almost
>enough money to pay for the war in Afghanistan. Or a healthy down
>payment on rebuilding the country for that matter.)
>EZConserve is now testing its software known as Surveyor with the
>City of Portland, Oregon and in the Portland Public Schools. Surveyor
>works by monitoring the power management settings of an organization's
>networked PC's. Computers that are out of compliance with an
>organization's energy management policy (left on after working hours)
>can be shut down or sent into sleep mode. Surveyor also keeps track of
>energy usage and cost savings.
>After testing, EZConserve plans to begin offering Surveyor to North
>American markets later this year. Visit EZConserve at
>http://www.ezconserve.com/ .
>
>CARBON MONITORING SOFTWARE.  Eventually, when carbon trading becomes
>commonplace worldwide in an effort to

[biofuel] Fwd: ENERGIES... week of 1/13/02

[Keith Addison]

>Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:02:09 -0500
>Subject: ENERGIES... week of 1/13/02
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>X-Priority: 3
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>
>ENERGIES...  week of January 13, 2002
>
>WORLD WIND WATCH. The first year of the Third Millennium saw global
>wind generating capacity grow by 31 percent to 23,300 megawatts - enough
>power for more than 23 million people according to the Earth Policy
>Institute.
>The U.S. alone saw an additional 1694 megawatts installed last year
>at an investment of  $1.7 billion. Total wind capacity in the States is
>now 4258 megawatts, this according to the America Wind Energy
>Association (AWEA).
>Germany is still the world leader in wind capacity at 8000
>megawatts, 1890 of which were installed in 2001. The U.S is in spot
>number 2 while Spain with 3300 megawatts is in third.  Fourth place goes
>to Denmark with 2500 megawatts installed. Denmark gets 18 percent of its
>power from the wind, according to the Earth Policy Institute.
>Earth Policy also indicates that wind resources in just three states
>- North Dakota, Kansas and Texas - could satisfy the electric power
>needs of the whole United States. The AWEA is quite a bit more
>conservative, saying the U.S could have 20 percent of its power
>generated by the wind - all resources combined.
>The cost of wind-produced electricity keeps dropping, too. A good
>windy site with state-of-the-art megawatt-class turbines can produce
>power at 4 cents per kilowatt hour - nearly competitive with
>conventional energy sources.
>Wind power is already off to a good start this year as well.
> -- According to wire reports Vestas Wind Systems of Denmark is
>saying it will finally build a U.S. turbine factory. Plans are to build
>in Portland, Oregon where eventually employment could reach 700.
> -- British utility Powergen is considering a 500 megawatt offshore
>facility near the mouth of the Thames.
> -- Proyectos Eolicos Valencianos, a subsidiary of ENDESA
>Cogeneracion y Renovables, has been awarded a contract to install 498
>megawatts in the Valencia region of Spain. Turbines for three sites will
>be supplied by Spanish turbine manufacturer MADE.
> -- Also in Spain U.S. based TXU, along with 4 partners, will
>develop two sites in Aragon with a combined capacity of 99 megawatts.
> -- At their jointly owned Nerefco oil refinery near Rotterdam, BP
>and ChevronTexaco will build a 22.5 megawatt wind facility. Power be
>will sold to the grid, not used in refining operations.
> -- Two companies - NoordzeeWind and North Sea Wind Power - are in
>neck-to-neck competition to build a 100-megawatt facility off the coast
>of The Netherlands.
> -- In Norway, Norsk Hydro is planning a 40 megawatt facility at
>Havoeygavlen.
> -- Greece will have 46 megawatts of new wind energy in place when
>fifty-one 900 kilowatt turbines from NEG - Micon, also of Denmark, are
>installed by International Wind Parks of Thrace and Wind Parks of
>Thrace.
> -- Even residents of Tokyo, Japan will have a small fraction of
>their power generated by the wind. The city is planning to install two
>turbines on reclaimed land in Tokyo Bay later this year.
>If all the above projects included in this story are built, there
>will be more than 1300 megawatts of new emission-free power on the
>planet - enough electricity for daily needs of more than 1.3 million
>people.
>It is now the middle of the first month of the new year.
>Visit the Earth Policy Institute at http://www.earth-policy.org/ and
>the AWEA at http://www.awea.org/ .
>
>ENERGY SAVING SOFTWARE. Most new computers come with a feature -
>often known by the name Energy Star - that can be used to shut-off or
>power-down the machine if it's not used for extended periods.  But
>according to software maker EZConserve, studies have shown that as many
>as 75 percent of computer users disable this feature.
>U.S. businesses could be wasting $1.6 billion per year for
>electricity used to power computers that are left on, but idle. The
>Federal Government could be spending/wasting an equal amount. (Almost
>enough money to pay for the war in Afghanistan. Or a healthy down
>payment on rebuilding the country for that matter.)
>EZConserve is now testing its software known as Surveyor with the
>City of Portland, Oregon and in the Portland Public Schools. Surveyor
>works by monitoring the power management settings of an organization's
>networked PC's. Computers that are out of compliance with an
>organization's energy management policy (left on after working hours)
>can be shut down or sent into sleep mode. Surveyor also keeps track of
>energy usage and cost savings.
>After testing, EZConserve plans to begin offering Surveyor to North
>American markets later this year. Visit EZConserve at
>http://www.ezconserve.com/ .
>
>CARBON MONITORING SOFTWARE.  Eventually, when carbon trading becomes
>commonplace worldwide in an effort to

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

[MH]

> A fuel cell should produce more energy.

Agreed.  But having read a fuel cell is up to 80% efficient ÷ 
   80 percent - efficiency of the electric motor/inverter 
× 30 to 40 percent - efficiency converting methanol to electricity 
× 80 percent - efficiency converting electricity to mechanical power 

> Correct me if I am wrong
> but I am under the impression a diesel efficiency is measured
> as the fraction of the theoretical Carnot of an thermal oxidation reaction.
> Emphasis on thermal.

Understood. 

> Although a fuel cell oxidizes what is measured instead is the electrochemical 
> energy
> of combination, ie. an electron a a certain potential. It is an ordered
> process and has nothing to do with thermal Carnot calculations.
> Thus a gallon of fuel may take you 200 miles, something a thermal process 
> cannot.

What I think is being discussed is a internal combustion engine wastes fuel due 
to incomplete combustion, 
deciding hills, slowing down, idling.  Regeneration would provide some energy.  
Could you provide some examples as I would like to understand more.  
Links to further information is kindly welcomed, thank you. 

> Present electrical cars leave a great deal to be desired.
> To just replace an engine with an electrical motor is enormously wasteful.
> An electrical motor doesn't need a clutch to get rolling as it is quite
> happy to smoothly develop force/time from zero RPM.
> The only objection I can see to a motor in each wheel is the unsprung weight.
> Every other criteria seems to want to put it there.
> Gearbox mass and gear loss would be avoided as well as the cost of 
> manufacture.
> Kirk

Plus less moving parts.  It would seem to potentially increase ones fuel 
economy. 


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[biofuel] Re: BD slightly murky at low temps (35 F)

[Keith Addison]

>ok...cool.
>Then at least I got the hang of production.  I'm still going to wash
>the BD after I let it sit for 2-3 weeks.   I just checked the ph of
>the previously mentioned batch and it's about 7-7.5--that's too high.
> After a single wash with 2-3 table spoons of vingar per gallon of
>wash water the ph is right at 5.5--perfect! I still found that letting
>it sit and prefiltering it before washing reduces the wash time and
>water changes.
>
>I aslo should tell you that I'm doing all of this in a garage that is
>between 32-42 F during an average winter day.  I found that if I heat
>the wash to aprox. 80 F it works a lot better.
>
>I'm sure production will be a lot eaiser during the summer.
>
>Thanks again!
>Jack

Hello Jack

Why do you say that pH 7-7.5 is too high and pH 5.5 is perfect? Many 
people say pH 7 is perfect.

Best wishes

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/

 

>.
> After a single wash with 2-3 table spoons of vingar per gallon of
wash water the ph is right at


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[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar

[David E. Cruse]

Hi Keith and Everyone,
   Don't know if anyone is still interested in this stuff, as 
someone posted a message that the patent could be viewed on a website that they 
gave the address to, so if anyone wants me to continue after this post please 
let me know.

#5  Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiments continued

 Figure 1 provides a basic flow diagram for the glyceride reaction process 
employing a continuous
reactor. Throughout the description of the process diagram, the various process 
vessels will be 
numbered between 1 and 99, with the various process streams being numbered 
beginning with 100.
While the following discussion will describe a continuous reactor process for a 
transesterification
reaction of glycerides with an alcohol  ROH, one skilled in the art will 
recognize the process principles
apply equally well in other process settings such as ones using batch reactors 
and separation processes as well as reactions producing alternate products to 
the alcohol esters as well as processes
beginning with fatty acid feeds.
A glyceride containing feed  100  is mixed with an input alcohol stream  
102. The choice of alcohol will be a function of the desired reaction product, 
and typically such alcohols as methanol, ethanol, propanol, and butanol are 
chosen for practical reasons, however, one skilled in the art will readily 
recognize the flexibility of choices and non-limiting aspect of the above list. 
This input alcohol stream  102  contains approximately a stoichiometric 
quantity of alcohol necessary to quantitatively react the
glyceride feed  100. While the reaction will require some excess alcohol, that 
needed excess is
contained in a critical fluid recycle  104  which provides a transport medium 
that solvates the reactants
to create the required process conditions. The exact critical fluid employed 
for a given reaction will 
depend on specifically chosen process parameters such as temperature, pressure, 
desired reaction
products, solubility of the reaction products, quantity of excess alcohol 
needed to drive the reaction
to completion, post reaction separation processes and chosen catalyst. Examples 
of possible critical
fluid solvents are carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, methane, ethane, propane, or 
mixtures thereof, with
or without critical fluid co-solvents such as methanol, ethanol, butanol, or 
water. Naturally, to the
extent quantities of the critical fluid are lost during the process they can be 
replenished with a critical
fluid makeup stream  106.
   The mixing of the input feed  100 (substance containing free fatty acids 
and/or glycerides), the input
alcohol  102, the critical fluid recycle  104  and critical fluid makeup  106  
streams, creates a reactant
input stream  108  which is fed into a continuous reactor 10. The temperature 
and pressure of the reactant input stream will depend on its components and the 
desired  process parameters. The important criteria for the critical fluid is 
its ability to dissolve the reactants. Reaction temperatures 
should be within 20% of the critical temperature of the fluid as measured in 
Kelvin, and pressures 
within 0.5-15 times critical pressure as modified by any co-solvent. Reaction 
temperatures are typically
in the range from about 20 to 200 degrees C with reaction pressures in the 
range from about 150 psig
to 4,000 psig.
The transesterification reaction generally proceeds in the presence of a 
catalyst either acidic or
basic. Liquid acids and bases, such as the common inorganic acids HCL, H2SO4, 
and HNO3, and
inorganic bases NaOH and KOH typically provide the needed catalytic activity. 
Additionally, the use
of a critical fluid medium allows for use of a solid phase catalyst with either 
acidic or basic surfaces
such as microporous crystalline solids such as zeolites, and non-crystalline 
inorganic oxides such as
alumina, silica, silica-alumina, boria, oxides of phosphorus, titanium dioxide, 
zirconium dioxide, chromia, zinc oxide, magnesia, calcium oxide, iron oxides, 
unmodified, or modified with chlorine,
florine, sulfur or an acid or base, as well as mixtures of the above group or 
an exchange resin with acidic or basic properties. Where solid catalysts are 
used in the reactor, they may create a catalytic
packed bed or float free inside the reactor.

To be continued,
David Cruse


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Re: [biofuel] Oil from algae

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc.]

0.1 % of suitable land producing up to a quad of energy, less water.. more
potential than oilseeds, according to NREL 20 year's worth of research on
the topic. Then there's photobioreactors, sale of the powder at high value,
and use as part of sewage treatment or CO2 sequestration...seems plenty of
potential. And for the backyarder, algae in plastic bags?  (see the
www.igvlink). 

My feeling is  if a guy wants to investigate something, don't discourage him
on the basis that he needs a PhD to even get started. Let him decide for
himself. Here's a few links:



http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/pdfs/24190c.pdf

http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/pdfs/24190a.pdf

http://www.cascadehs.csd.k12.id.us/advbio/95-96/biomanual.html

http://www.humboldt.edu/~eae1/engr410/NoticeOfIntent.html

http://www.igv-gmbh.de/e/reference3.pdf





> From: Andrew Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:27:05 +0800
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Oil from algae
> 
> Search the archive, I have commented on this before. I looked into it,
> along with my biochemist wife, and basically there is lots of research
> to be done, at the PhD level,  it is not suitable for small scale work,
> requires huge amounts of land etc etc. Will probbly happen in though
> in 10 - 15 years.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Priority:   normal
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date sent:  Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:06:09 +
> Subject:[biofuel] Oil from algae
> Send reply to:  biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> 
>> I wonder if anyone knows anything about oil extraction from salt water
>> algae. I hear it has huge potential. James
>> 
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[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel in fuel

[motie_d]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Kentucky has proposed a bill to require at least 2% biodiesel to be 
in all 
> fuel sold in the state.  Boy did the howl start.  The loudest has 
been the 
> railroad which claims that they own 2000 diesel locomotives costing 
over 
> $2,000,000 each.  They say that the manufacturer will void the 
warranty on 
> the engines if any biodiesel is used in them.
> 
> Neal in KY

Neal,
I strongly suspect it's a ploy to get a break on taxes or emmissions 
credits for using cleaner fuel. I was working on a project for 
Fischer-Tropsch synthetic Diesel fuel, and contacted the railroad 
about putting in a siding. They wouldn't do it unless I could give 
them an exclusive on purchase of the fuel.
With that, and a few other reasons, the project was never completed.

Motie


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Re: [biofuel] Oil from algae

[Andrew Lowe]

Search the archive, I have commented on this before. I looked into it, 
along with my biochemist wife, and basically there is lots of research 
to be done, at the PhD level,  it is not suitable for small scale work, 
requires huge amounts of land etc etc. Will probbly happen in though 
in 10 - 15 years.

Regards,
Andrew


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Priority:   normal
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:06:09 +
Subject:[biofuel] Oil from algae
Send reply to:  biofuel@yahoogroups.com

> I wonder if anyone knows anything about oil extraction from salt water
>  algae. I hear it has huge potential. James
> 
//***\\
|| "Two things get me out of the water quickly:  ||
|| sharks and toilet paper." ||
||   Billy Connelly  ||
||***||
||   Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng   ||
|| Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming||
|| [EMAIL PROTECTED]   *|* Perth, Australia ||
|| www.wht.com.au   *|* C, C++, MDL, Java||
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Archive searching - good or not?

[Martin Klingensmith]

Keith, I own the business nnytech.net
I can give you any services you need free of charge for biofuels and/or journey
to forever for free. I can help with archives/whatever
-Martin K

> 
> Thanks Harmon. I'm not thinking of moving the list itself, just of 
> the possibilities of making other options available for the archives. 
> I've got several things in mind already, I just need to know how the 
> list members feel about the way it is now. Glad you feel the same way 
> about it I do, thanks again.
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith Addison
> Journey to Forever
> Handmade Projects
> Tokyo
> http://journeytoforever.org/
> 
> 
> 
> >--
> >Harmon Seaver
> >CyberShamanix
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[biofuel] Biodiesel in fuel

[cavm]

Kentucky has proposed a bill to require at least 2% biodiesel to be in all 
fuel sold in the state.  Boy did the howl start.  The loudest has been the 
railroad which claims that they own 2000 diesel locomotives costing over 
$2,000,000 each.  They say that the manufacturer will void the warranty on 
the engines if any biodiesel is used in them.

Neal in KY


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Re: [biofuel] Warranty issue

[milliontc]

To:biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From:  Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:33:59 +0900
Subject:   Re: [biofuel] Warranty issue
Reply-to:  biofuel@yahoogroups.com

>Sorry, it's me again still going on about this warranty business. I
>still haven't got to the bottom of the France situation where, you
>will recall, all diesel fuel has a percentage of BioD added. Here
>below is a list of manufacturers and their stance on BioD use.
>The list is leaving me in nice colmns, I hope the foremat is
>retained, but in case not we have...
>Yes-5  No-8  To 5%-6  Don't know-4
>Comments please. Has any one seen warranty information posted at
>French petrol stations for instance?
> James
Hello James

So eight manufacturers in effect provide no warranty on the diesel 
cars they sell in France? - or the warranty covers all situations 
except the use of fuel?? That's very weird. Sounds like a case for a 
test case. 
The info comes from  www.4car.co.uk in their enviornment section. 
I'll post you the article separately Keith as a word doc.

  Hard to see where Daewoo, Fiat, Renault, 
Toyota, Vauxhall should be. 
Daewoo - No
Fiat - To 5%
Renault - Don't know
Toyota - No
Vauxhall - No

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[biofuel] Re: Robert Warren/Charles 803 still

[cornfed62]

I did a search like that also for the Charles 803.  I found out that 
not only were the plans not available, but they were defective and 
dangerous in design to begin with.  

Kieth has a entire section of his webpage devoted to fuel ethanol 
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/
Steve Spence also has a large section at his webpage 
http://www.webconx.com/ 
Tony Ackland has a huge webpage devoted to home distillation at 
http://www.homedistiller.org/
There is a free downloadable PDF file with a design for a small 
ethanol still located here. Also government regulations and obtaining 
a BATF license for fuel ethanol production.
http://www.moonshine-still.com/page2.htm
http://buffalo-creek-press.com/  these people have a book for sale 
called "Makin' It on the Farm: Alcohol Fuel is the Road to 
Independence Electronic Edition."  It is very informative with 
recipes and plans and actual tested results.  
http://www.amphora-society.com/index.html  These people have a book 
for sale called "The Compleat Distiller"  It is a treasure chest of 
info on still design and construction.  It covers various theories, 
design and operation methods.  
http://www.gin-vodka.com/  these people have books for sale called 
making "Gin and Vodka" and also "Pure Corn Whiskey"  they not only 
cover still design and operation, they also cover the fermentation of 
grains. There are other free books and webpages available Mike Nixon 
wrote a free ditribution file called "How it works" (90k) that is 
available for download.  This is just the start of the info available 
to you.  Hope this helps

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> 
> Hi everyone-
> 
> I'm new to this group although I have been interested in alternate 
fuels for some time.
> 
> Some time ago I came across the Charles 803 still online but now I 
can't locate a source for the plans and or supplies to construct it. 
Does anyone have an address for ordering of plans valves etc.?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Don Innes
> 
> 
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[biofuel] Oil from algae

[milliontc]

I wonder if anyone knows anything about oil extraction from salt 
water  algae. I hear it has huge potential.
James

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Archive searching - good or not?

[Keith Addison]

>   Yahoo is pretty disgusting, all the way around. And the latest ad
>thing in the archives is just extremely annoying, not to mention quite
>confusing. I would imagine a great number of people who got the ad when
>they clicked on a message just assumed that the message wasn't there, I
>know I did at first.
>   Having run a few lists, I've always liked the majordomo softwhere
>myself.
>http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/
>   A bit more trouble to set up than the yahoo group, of course, and you
>need a server with a net connection to run it on, but not really any
>more work to maintain than yahoo.
>   Or I wonder if the solar.crest people would take biofuels in?
>Whatever, don't go to tapioco, that's pretty horrid.

Thanks Harmon. I'm not thinking of moving the list itself, just of 
the possibilities of making other options available for the archives. 
I've got several things in mind already, I just need to know how the 
list members feel about the way it is now. Glad you feel the same way 
about it I do, thanks again.

Best

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Tokyo
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RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

[kirk]

A fuel cell should produce more energy.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am under the impression a diesel efficiency
is measured
as the fraction of the theoretical Carnot of an thermal oxidation reaction.
Emphasis on thermal.
Although a fuel cell oxidizes what is measured instead is the
electrochemical energy
of combination, ie. an electron a a certain potential. It is an ordered
process and has nothing to do
with thermal Carnot calculations.
Thus a gallon of fuel may take you 200 miles, something a thermal process
cannot.
Present electrical cars leave a great deal to be desired.
To just replace an engine with an electrical motor is enormously wasteful.
An electrical motor doesn't need a clutch to get rolling as it is quite
happy to smoothly develop force/time from zero RPM.
The only objection I can see to a motor in each wheel is the unsprung
weight. Every other criteria seems to want to put it there.
Gearbox mass and gear loss would be avoided as well as the cost of
manufacture.
Kirk

-Original Message-
From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:01 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel


I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound
pickup 700 miles at 75 mph.
(snip)
My 4x4, 3/4 ton pickup can do this on 40 gal of dinodiesel.
÷
Multiply the BTUs per gallon times 40 gallons.
When all's said and done, I believe, most things will pretty much stay the
same
using stacked fuel cells with reformer* based on conversion efficiency
comparisons
but reduce some pollutant emissions that effect global warming and our
health
known as greenhouse gases (GHG).

*Reformer also referred to as a fuel processor
http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-processor.htm

"The Purpose of a Fuel Processor"
http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-processor1.htm

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Archive searching - good or not?

[Harmon Seaver]

   Yahoo is pretty disgusting, all the way around. And the latest ad
thing in the archives is just extremely annoying, not to mention quite
confusing. I would imagine a great number of people who got the ad when
they clicked on a message just assumed that the message wasn't there, I
know I did at first. 
   Having run a few lists, I've always liked the majordomo softwhere
myself. 
http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/
   A bit more trouble to set up than the yahoo group, of course, and you
need a server with a net connection to run it on, but not really any
more work to maintain than yahoo.
   Or I wonder if the solar.crest people would take biofuels in?
Whatever, don't go to tapioco, that's pretty horrid. 


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[biofuel] Re: Archive searching - good or not?

[Keith Addison]

>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, Yahoo's annoying, but the yahoogroups setup does work
> > reliably, the unsubscribe-challenged to the contrary. But a while
> > ago, those reading messages online at the web interface
> >  started finding ads in the
> > messages. Now that's changed - if you click on a message to read
>it,
> > you get a full-page ad and have to click again to continue to the
> > message. It only happens once - next message you read, no ad - but
> > it's annoying. I'll bet Yahoo counts that as another "hit" to show
> > their advertisers. Cheap.
> >
> > These days when you log in at the list website or at the MyGroups
> > page you get a pop-up ad page - don't they know everybody hates
> > pop-up ad pages?
>I don't get messages from any groups via email. I read them all at
>the site. The ads come up about every five messages you read. I'm so
>sick of looking at that flat-chested girl trying to sell me a camera,
>I wouldn't take it if they gave them away!

So why not go to the email interface? Most list members are on email, 
either individual or digest.

>I have a group of my own, and Yahoo sent me a message about the ads.
>The list owner can provide ads-free service to his members for a fee!
>The fee is in the vicinity of $5/month payable annually to your
>credit card!

Well now, fancy that. I own two big groups and received no such 
message (grrr). Something with Yahoo that doesn't work, eh?

Anyway, that might solve the ad problem, but not the archives 
problem, which affects everyone, web-interface or not, plus many 
non-members who use it as an information resource. It just doesn't 
work well any more, too slow, too much hassle. I'm much more 
concerned about that than about the ads. I'm very interested to know 
what others members think.

>I'm in 16 different Yahoo groups, and about a dozen Clubs.

I have rather more than that, and others, lots of work, but no, it 
doesn't keep me out of mischief. I'd hate to try to handle them all 
with a web interface, ads or no ads, not efficient at all, IMO - have 
to have the stuff on the hard disk to deal with it properly. Email's 
the best answer, I think, and setting up mailbox filters, when they 
get too full empty them into a database. Email's also much cheaper 
than the web interface if you have to pay for online time, as many do.

Thanks for the info, Motie

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/

 
>It does keep me out of mischief.
>
>Motie


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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

[robert luis rabello]

George & Lola Wesel wrote:

> 
>
> I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound
> pickup 700 miles at 75 mph.  Then calculate the hydrogen needed to
> produce this many btu's and then comvert this to pounds . . .




> I would really appreciate it if someone could make this comparision for me.
>
> Thank You
> George

I've done this sort of calculation many times over the years, and I'm
always disappointed with the results.  Let's begin with the energy in your
diesel fuel.  Using a value of 10 555 watt hours per liter, your gallon of
diesel yields about 39 900 watt hours per gallon.  Multiply this by 40, and you
get the total watt hours of energy burned for your 700 mile trip.  This value
calculates to 1 595 916 watt hours--an astonishing amount of energy!

You can't buy a fuel cell right now, and it's unlikely you'll be able to
buy one any time soon.  Further, the overall efficiency of current fuel cell
technology is not any better than your diesel engine--in fact, in some cases
it's much worse.  The expense of using fuel cells and tying them into an
electric drive system falls into the realm of finances that only governments
and huge corporations can afford at the present time.  So, you're stuck with
internal combustion for now.

In a direct comparison to hydrogen, you'd be assuming a number of things.
In the first place, hydrogen would have to be direct injected into a modified
engine (in the case of your diesel, that would include lowered compression
ratio--as autoignition for hydrogen requires something ridiculous like
28:1--spark plugs and a different fuel delivery system) in order to approach
the efficiency of your diesel engine without losing power.  (A direct injected
gaseous fueled engine can actually make MORE power than a similar engine on
liquid fuel because of increased volumetric efficiency.)  But as long as we
remain in the realm of fantasy, you will need to burn 1 595 916 watt hours of
hydrogen in order to equal the amount of work that your current diesel engine
does for you--and I stress that this is a BEST CASE scenario.  (I have a lot of
experience with gaseous fueled engines.  In nearly every situation, they
function with reduced power and fuel economy because of the problems associated
with getting a gaseous fuel mixed with air in the combustion chamber.)  This
much hydrogen equates to 5 320 liters at 100 atmospheres' pressure.  (For the
metrically challenged, that works out to something in the order of 1 400
gallons.)

By mass, hydrogen contains three times the energy of diesel fuel.  This
means you'd need a little over 33 kilos of hydrogen, or 73 pounds of fuel,
which doesn't sound like a lot.  However, our current technology requires a
pressure vessel roughly 100 times the weight of the stored gas.  With this in
mind, the H2 needed for your 700 mile trip will demand a tank weighing over 7
000 pounds.

Are you beginning to understand why nobody does this?  Using an
intermetallic hydride to store your gas cuts the weight considerably, but you'd
still need a LOT of hydride, and it's very expensive material.

Also, this doesn't take into account the problem of generating hydrogen in
the first place.  One kilogram of hydrogen usually requires over 60 kilowatt
hours of electricity to split from water using conventional electrolysis.
Microbial fermentation also works and is much less energy intensive, but you'd
need about five kilos of sugar for every kilo of H2 produced in this manner.
Then, there's the expense of all that conversion equipment, generation and
compression equipment, added to the difficulty of explaining what you're doing
to the local fire marshall.  (This person will want to have you committed to a
nice, friendly place with padded wall paper . . . )

Don't let me discourage you, but if you're really interested in hydrogen,
learn as much as you can about it before investing any money.  Personally, I
think you're better off with biodiesel or SVO for your truck, and if you really
want H2, use it as a supplemental fuel additive to improve overall efficiency
and clean up your exhaust.  Good luck!

robert luis rabello


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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

[MH]

I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound 
pickup 700 miles at 75 mph.  
(snip) 
My 4x4, 3/4 ton pickup can do this on 40 gal of dinodiesel.  
÷
Multiply the BTUs per gallon times 40 gallons.  
When all's said and done, I believe, most things will pretty much stay the same 
using stacked fuel cells with reformer* based on conversion efficiency 
comparisons
but reduce some pollutant emissions that effect global warming and our health 
known as greenhouse gases (GHG).

*Reformer also referred to as a fuel processor 
http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-processor.htm

"The Purpose of a Fuel Processor"  
http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-processor1.htm

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[biofuel] Robert Warren/Charles 803 still

[Don Innes]

Hi everyone-

I'm new to this group although I have been interested in alternate fuels for 
some time.

Some time ago I came across the Charles 803 still online but now I can't locate 
a source for the plans and or supplies to construct it. Does anyone have an 
address for ordering of plans valves etc.?

Thanks

Don Innes



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[biofuel] Re: Archive searching - good or not?

[motie_d]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Anyway, Yahoo's annoying, but the yahoogroups setup does work 
> reliably, the unsubscribe-challenged to the contrary. But a while 
> ago, those reading messages online at the web interface 
>  started finding ads in the 
> messages. Now that's changed - if you click on a message to read 
it, 
> you get a full-page ad and have to click again to continue to the 
> message. It only happens once - next message you read, no ad - but 
> it's annoying. I'll bet Yahoo counts that as another "hit" to show 
> their advertisers. Cheap.
> 
> These days when you log in at the list website or at the MyGroups 
> page you get a pop-up ad page - don't they know everybody hates 
> pop-up ad pages?
I don't get messages from any groups via email. I read them all at 
the site. The ads come up about every five messages you read. I'm so 
sick of looking at that flat-chested girl trying to sell me a camera, 
I wouldn't take it if they gave them away!

I have a group of my own, and Yahoo sent me a message about the ads. 
The list owner can provide ads-free service to his members for a fee! 
The fee is in the vicinity of $5/month payable annually to your 
credit card!
I'm in 16 different Yahoo groups, and about a dozen Clubs.
It does keep me out of mischief.

Motie


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