[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 03/20/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- March 20, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events California Governor Davis Extends MTBE Phase-Out to 2003 New Biodiesel Plant to Produce 30 Million Gallons Annually Canadian Companies to Produce BioOil from Wood Waste NREL Director: Renewable Energy Enhances Homeland Security Feds to Receive No-Cost Biomass Energy, Efficiency Gains DOE Renewable, Energy Efficiency Office to Reorganize *Energy Facts and Tips EPA Launches Voluntary Greenhouse Gas Program *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- California Governor Davis Extends MTBE Phase-Out to 2003 California Governor Gray Davis dealt a blow to the U.S. ethanol fuels industry last week by extending the deadline for the phase-out of MTBE in the state to the end of 2003. Back in 1999, concerns about groundwater pollution led Governor Davis to order the phase-out of the use of MTBE as a gasoline additive in California by the end of this year. MTBE is an oxygenate, and is used to reduce ozone emissions. California sought a waiver from the oxygenate requirements, but the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency denied that waiver in June 2001. Since the only other gasoline oxygenate is ethanol, the MTBE phase-out will create a large market for ethanol in California. Delaying the phase-out will slow some of the rapid growth that the ethanol industry had expected. The governor's decision followed a report released last week that predicted gasoline supply shortages in Southern California if the phase-out proceeded as planned. Ironically, the expected supply problems are due to problems with gasoline supply and imports to the state, rather than ethanol supply concerns. The report, commissioned by the California Energy Commission (CEC), assumes that the ethanol supply is available, but predicts problems because fewer additives and more gasoline would be used in ethanol fuel blends. See the CEC MTBE Web page, which includes links to the Governor's announcement and the report, at: http://www.energy.ca.gov/mtbe/index.html. For its part, the ethanol industry claims it was ready to meet the anticipated demand and is asking California refiners to voluntarily shift from MTBE to ethanol blends. See the Renewable Fuels Association (RFA) press release at: http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pr020315.html. The RFA claims are also backed by a recent report from the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO). That report says that ethanol capacity will be sufficient to meet the nation's needs, but expresses concern that the industry is concentrated in the Midwest and warns that bans of MTBE in other states could lead to capacity problems. See the GAO report, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02440r.pdf. New Biodiesel Plant to Produce 30 Million Gallons Annually Southern States Power Company Inc. announced plans last week to build a biodiesel production factory in Riverside, California, capable of producing 30 million gallons per year of biodiesel fuel. If built as planned, the biodiesel plant will be the largest in the United States. The company signed a memorandum of understanding with Lurgi PSI, Inc. to develop the facility. The company currently has a 10-million- gallon-per-year facility in Coachella, California, about 50 miles east of Riverside. See the March 14th press release on the Southern States Power Web site at: http://www.sspowerco.net/newspress.cfm. Biodiesel is also getting a boost in New York, where the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) is spending nearly $700,000 this year to advance the use of biodiesel in the state. NYSERDA announced Monday that $320,000 will go to NOCO Energy Corporation in Tonawanda, New York, for the company to blend, market, and sell biodiesel in the Buffalo-Niagara area. A separate award of $62,000 will help the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority to fuel 140 of its 330 buses with NOCO's biodiesel for at least a year. NOCO will use biodiesel to fuel its own fleet of trucks and will provide the fuel to the Town of Tonawanda for its municipal truck fleet. NOCO will also evaluate the use of bio-heating fuels in boilers and furnaces. See the NYSERDA press release at: http://www.nyserda.org/press/2002/mar18_02.html. Biodiesel is making inroads throughout the country. The first public biodiesel pump in Missouri opened in early March in Jefferson City, and became the starting point for the journey of a biodiesel-fueled truck to Washington, D.C. See the press releases on the National Biodiesel Board's Web site at:
Adhering to Avalanche Advisories was Re: [biofuel] FW: [Fwd: FW: Guns vs Drs.vs you and me]]
Sorry 'bout that... Was looking at the post as though it were from another list... Didn't intend to transgress on the closed floodgates of the matter here. Avalanche advisories are oft best adhered to, no matter a snow-boarder, snow-shoeer(?), skier or foot soldier. But as for that afore-mentioned list? ...one that could use a few sensible, knowledgeable, seasoned, well tempered and sound hearted recruits...? with EMPHASIS on seasoned, well tempered, sensible and sound hearted veterans or mature initiates...? Better that further comments were made ofl list.. Bowing in apology for initial aggregious error Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] FW: [Fwd: FW: Guns vs Drs.vs you and me]] Kris, And chances are more in your favor that you will salvage both her and your bacon yet three times ten in your remaining years. I'd rather put my money in your lottery than anything on the open market, or much on the open market of ideals. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kris Book To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] FW: [Fwd: FW: Guns vs Drs.vs you and me]] Doctors have killed a hundred times more people than guns. I'll admit that there are a few that treat their patients instead of their patients' symptoms. Before any of you doctors out there jump on me, understand that my wife's been in a wheelchair for three years and I've saved her from knucklehead doctors going on ten times. kris book [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: generator (what size motor?)
In a fit of insomnia last night I realised that the formula I gave for sizing the hp requirement was a load of old bollocks. ie incorrect. It should read : 11000/750/.8 = about 18.5 hp required. My apologies. JS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], indo2002nz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Justin You will find that in 99% of cases, fixed generating powerplants above a certain size are almost exclusively diesel powered. That size I'm guessing now, probably around 15KVA. Diesel motors make good usable power at 1500rpm. I suggest that you are barking up the wrong tree so to speak looking for a petrol engine, go and find a small diesel engine of the appropriate size and run it on biodiesel.It needs to be rated at about 80% of the required power output. Diesels need to work hard to be reliable. So for your alternator you want a diesel motor hp about 11000/750 * 80% (around 12hp I think). The 1500 rpm is significant because the frequency (Hz) of the output alternating voltage is directly proportional to the speed of rotation of the alternator. With most fixed AC generating plant 1500rpm = 50Hz, that is the case with your alternator since you mention the requirement for 1500 rpm. Diesel engines are easily governed, I never got a grasp of the theory here but I think that the engine speed control is a function of the fuel pump/fuel rack function versus engine load. Someone else may be able to clarify this for you. Certainly diesel engines are far more stable in terms of engine speed control, reliability, and longevity for the function that you envisage. You can build a steel frame and direct connect the diesel flywheel to the alternator input shaft. Take care with the alignment between the two, it has to be very precise to avoid bearing damage in both the engine and alternator. You make this adjustment with steel shim stock beneath the mounting brackets. Motors to search for - 1 2 cylinder Yanmar, Lister, Buhk, Isuzu,Volvo,BMW etc. All expensive to buy new but theres always a bargain to be had if you are resorceful. Check out the second hand marine market if you live near the sea. Best regards John Smith. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I have just aquired a 11KVA alternator. I now need an engine to turn the alternator. I would like to use a petrol engine. BUT there are several problems(so I can change it over to ethenol when every thing is working :) ). The engine must run at 1500 rpm. From what I have gathered there is not much power available from a petrol engine at this rpm. I have spent several hours looking on the internet for power curves for 1.6L to 3L engines but have not been not been succesful. I would probably need about 17KW brake power at 1500rpm if I want to change it to ethanol. I was thinking of using an old MBenze engine(220 or so). Any advice would be welcomed... cheers Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FIND OLD SCHOOL FRIENDS and OLD FLAMES Click here to start your search at Reunion.com today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NFsLKA/Dn2DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] car conversion
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 04:26:40AM -, useravav wrote: There has been discussions of excessive fuel pump failures using used cooking oil, I would think that it is not the used oil that is the Where are you getting this from? Veggie oil is *more* lubricating than dino-diesel. Heating fuels like kerosene, fuel oil, and propane would be available but expensive. I don't follow your logic. Fuel oil for heating is the same thing as diesel fuel, propane is made from fossil fuels as well, the price (and availability) is going to follow exactly along with motor vehicle fuels. Propane is especially expensive even now -- it won't get better, or better in comparison to diesel fuel or gasoline. Compressed natural gas might be a slightly better option, in terms of availability, but not much, since demand for it will skyrocket if the oil stops flowing. Woodgas is a much better idea. Making your own ethanol is another. I would include SVO and biodiesel, but I have to assume that those two (including WVO) will suffer the same price and availability problems, at least until farmers can start producing more oilseed, as fossil fuels if the foreign oil stops flowing. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pittingconservationists against soccer moms
For the past 15,000 years the Earth is in a interglacial time period which historically lasts about 10,000 to 20,000 years. We've read about global mountain range glacial melts, the north and south poles decreasing ice formations and CO2 stored peat bogs of Alaska (frozen) and northern Minnesota (contained in water) and other parts of the Northern Hemisphere possibly releasing CO2 along with ongoing human (or anthropogenic) greenhouse emissions. So I'd would think were gradually heading back to another ice age ? For example, it would never have occurred to me that ice ages are characterized by relatively mild winters.-- David Goodstein BOOK REVIEW http://query.nytimes.com/search/full-page?res=9F04E4D6123AF930A15752C0A9669C8B63 Attempting to paraphrase: Gravitational forces between the Sun and all the planets stretches the Earth's orbit slightly, from more circular to more elliptical, and then squeezes it back towards being circular, over a period a little over a hundred thousand years long. But the important point about all of these astronomical influences on climate is that they do not change the total amount of heat received by the whole Earth over a whole year. All they can do is rearrange the distribution of heat between the seasons.-- John Gribbin, Chapter Eight of Almost Everyone's Guide to Science. The way the book explains it is before each ice age the forests experience drought and the plains became more arid. But recent historical evidence says concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is 0.28 per cent or 280 Parts Per Million and now were at 350 ppm a increase of 25 per cent attributable to human burning of fossil fuels and deforestation (includes all nations ? ) which leads me to think were storing heat at the earths surface delaying or increasing the inevitable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: car conversion
Veggie oil is *more* lubricating than dino-diesel. Where are you getting this from? Just because some vegetable oils (canola) are better lubricants then diesel doesn't mean they all are. Canola oil has excellent lubricating qualities, the other veg oils (soy, corn, sunflower, etc) are poorer lubricants, and some are terrible (flax, cottonseed). Someone using used cooking oil has no idea what oil he is using and if he gets a batch of cottonseed oil and runs it thru his engine pump destruction is probable. Heating fuels like kerosene, fuel oil, and propane would be available but expensive. I don't follow your logic. Then listen with a calm and open mind. Fuel oil for heating is the same thing as diesel fuel, propane is made from fossil fuels as well, the price (and availability) is going to follow exactly along with motor vehicle fuels. Propane is especially expensive even now -- it won't get better, or better in comparison to diesel fuel or gasoline. Compressed natural gas might be a slightly better option, in terms of availability, but not much, since demand for it will skyrocket if the oil stops flowing. Woodgas is a much better idea. Making your own ethanol is another. I would include SVO and biodiesel, but I have to assume that those two (including WVO) will suffer the same price and availability problems, at least until farmers can start producing more oilseed, as fossil fuels if the foreign oil stops flowing. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
Maybe we should just start hounding Congress to support biodiesel in any way possible, including paying farmers to grow soy for its production and mandating its use over petroleum diesel. They could do all of this in the name of the WAR and Homeland Security. They seem to be able to pass anything else for these reasons, why not support for biodiesel? Sincerely, Craig Rogers - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] car conversion On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 04:26:40AM -, useravav wrote: There has been discussions of excessive fuel pump failures using used cooking oil, I would think that it is not the used oil that is the Where are you getting this from? Veggie oil is *more* lubricating than dino-diesel. Heating fuels like kerosene, fuel oil, and propane would be available but expensive. I don't follow your logic. Fuel oil for heating is the same thing as diesel fuel, propane is made from fossil fuels as well, the price (and availability) is going to follow exactly along with motor vehicle fuels. Propane is especially expensive even now -- it won't get better, or better in comparison to diesel fuel or gasoline. Compressed natural gas might be a slightly better option, in terms of availability, but not much, since demand for it will skyrocket if the oil stops flowing. Woodgas is a much better idea. Making your own ethanol is another. I would include SVO and biodiesel, but I have to assume that those two (including WVO) will suffer the same price and availability problems, at least until farmers can start producing more oilseed, as fossil fuels if the foreign oil stops flowing. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FIND OLD SCHOOL FRIENDS and OLD FLAMES Click here to start your search at Reunion.com today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NFsLKA/Dn2DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 03/20/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- March 20, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events California Governor Davis Extends MTBE Phase-Out to 2003 New Biodiesel Plant to Produce 30 Million Gallons Annually Canadian Companies to Produce BioOil from Wood Waste NREL Director: Renewable Energy Enhances Homeland Security Feds to Receive No-Cost Biomass Energy, Efficiency Gains DOE Renewable, Energy Efficiency Office to Reorganize *Energy Facts and Tips EPA Launches Voluntary Greenhouse Gas Program *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- California Governor Davis Extends MTBE Phase-Out to 2003 California Governor Gray Davis dealt a blow to the U.S. ethanol fuels industry last week by extending the deadline for the phase-out of MTBE in the state to the end of 2003. Back in 1999, concerns about groundwater pollution led Governor Davis to order the phase-out of the use of MTBE as a gasoline additive in California by the end of this year. MTBE is an oxygenate, and is used to reduce ozone emissions. California sought a waiver from the oxygenate requirements, but the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency denied that waiver in June 2001. Since the only other gasoline oxygenate is ethanol, the MTBE phase-out will create a large market for ethanol in California. Delaying the phase-out will slow some of the rapid growth that the ethanol industry had expected. The governor's decision followed a report released last week that predicted gasoline supply shortages in Southern California if the phase-out proceeded as planned. Ironically, the expected supply problems are due to problems with gasoline supply and imports to the state, rather than ethanol supply concerns. The report, commissioned by the California Energy Commission (CEC), assumes that the ethanol supply is available, but predicts problems because fewer additives and more gasoline would be used in ethanol fuel blends. See the CEC MTBE Web page, which includes links to the Governor's announcement and the report, at: http://www.energy.ca.gov/mtbe/index.html. For its part, the ethanol industry claims it was ready to meet the anticipated demand and is asking California refiners to voluntarily shift from MTBE to ethanol blends. See the Renewable Fuels Association (RFA) press release at: http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pr020315.html. The RFA claims are also backed by a recent report from the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO). That report says that ethanol capacity will be sufficient to meet the nation's needs, but expresses concern that the industry is concentrated in the Midwest and warns that bans of MTBE in other states could lead to capacity problems. See the GAO report, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02440r.pdf. New Biodiesel Plant to Produce 30 Million Gallons Annually Southern States Power Company Inc. announced plans last week to build a biodiesel production factory in Riverside, California, capable of producing 30 million gallons per year of biodiesel fuel. If built as planned, the biodiesel plant will be the largest in the United States. The company signed a memorandum of understanding with Lurgi PSI, Inc. to develop the facility. The company currently has a 10-million- gallon-per-year facility in Coachella, California, about 50 miles east of Riverside. See the March 14th press release on the Southern States Power Web site at: http://www.sspowerco.net/newspress.cfm. Biodiesel is also getting a boost in New York, where the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) is spending nearly $700,000 this year to advance the use of biodiesel in the state. NYSERDA announced Monday that $320,000 will go to NOCO Energy Corporation in Tonawanda, New York, for the company to blend, market, and sell biodiesel in the Buffalo-Niagara area. A separate award of $62,000 will help the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority to fuel 140 of its 330 buses with NOCO's biodiesel for at least a year. NOCO will use biodiesel to fuel its own fleet of trucks and will provide the fuel to the Town of Tonawanda for its municipal truck fleet. NOCO will also evaluate the use of bio-heating fuels in boilers and furnaces. See the NYSERDA press release at: http://www.nyserda.org/press/2002/mar18_02.html. Biodiesel is making inroads throughout the country. The first public biodiesel pump in Missouri opened in early March in Jefferson City, and became the starting point for the journey of a biodiesel-fueled truck to Washington, D.C. See the press releases on the National Biodiesel Board's Web site at:
[biofuel] Re: car conversion
Lot of information on this here, new and updated resources: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields, characteristics Vegetable oil yields: -- ascending order -- alphabetical order Other oil crops Oils and esters characteristics Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values -- Talking about the weather Quality standard for rapeseed oil fuel Cetane Numbers National standards for biodiesel Fuel properties of fats and oils Fuel properties of esters Quite a big page now, takes a few seconds to download. Best Keith Veggie oil is *more* lubricating than dino-diesel. Where are you getting this from? Just because some vegetable oils (canola) are better lubricants then diesel doesn't mean they all are. Canola oil has excellent lubricating qualities, the other veg oils (soy, corn, sunflower, etc) are poorer lubricants, and some are terrible (flax, cottonseed). Someone using used cooking oil has no idea what oil he is using and if he gets a batch of cottonseed oil and runs it thru his engine pump destruction is probable. Heating fuels like kerosene, fuel oil, and propane would be available but expensive. I don't follow your logic. Then listen with a calm and open mind. Fuel oil for heating is the same thing as diesel fuel, propane is made from fossil fuels as well, the price (and availability) is going to follow exactly along with motor vehicle fuels. Propane is especially expensive even now -- it won't get better, or better in comparison to diesel fuel or gasoline. Compressed natural gas might be a slightly better option, in terms of availability, but not much, since demand for it will skyrocket if the oil stops flowing. Woodgas is a much better idea. Making your own ethanol is another. I would include SVO and biodiesel, but I have to assume that those two (including WVO) will suffer the same price and availability problems, at least until farmers can start producing more oilseed, as fossil fuels if the foreign oil stops flowing. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
Maybe we should just start hounding Congress to support biodiesel in any way possible, including paying farmers to grow soy for its production and mandating its use over petroleum diesel. They could do all of this in the name of the WAR and Homeland Security. They seem to be able to pass anything else for these reasons, why not support for biodiesel? Sincerely, Craig Rogers Yeah, hound 'em! Re growing soy though, there are better crops. And there's this, from another list: NPR just had a program on about Biodiesel and part of the information was the issue that storage for soy oil has now reached epidemic proportions. The US has the largest tank farm in the world to store the oil. The soy cakes are well used, but the oil is surplus, to the tune of a billion, YES, BILLION PLUS gallons the feds/soy growers can't get rid of. I believe the tank farm is in Minnesota, per the program. There are better ways of farming too. Energy farming, food farming, sustainable farming can all go really well together, to everybody's benefit, from the farmer on down. Not quite what usually happens now. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
If we could get our facts together and compose a letter with web links to further information, each of us could email it to all the reps in every state. I'm sure we could get people on certain other related lists to do the same. The thing is this: this country (and most others) runs on diesel. All the trucks and trains and busses use it, along with the military. If we were producing our own biodiesel to replace it, then huge amounts of petroleum would be saved and our reliance on it would be greatly diminished. If they would then change the laws regarding diesel automobiles, we could import more of them, rather than completely outlawing the importation of new ones within the next 10 years (based on current diesel technology). There is a lot that the government can do (they took us to the moon with 60s technology!) and there apparently is an awful lot that the people of the US will put up with in the name of this war. I see all these bad special interest groups getting on the bandwagon. WHY NOT US! Sincerely, Craig Rogers - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion Maybe we should just start hounding Congress to support biodiesel in any way possible, including paying farmers to grow soy for its production and mandating its use over petroleum diesel. They could do all of this in the name of the WAR and Homeland Security. They seem to be able to pass anything else for these reasons, why not support for biodiesel? Sincerely, Craig Rogers Yeah, hound 'em! Re growing soy though, there are better crops. And there's this, from another list: NPR just had a program on about Biodiesel and part of the information was the issue that storage for soy oil has now reached epidemic proportions. The US has the largest tank farm in the world to store the oil. The soy cakes are well used, but the oil is surplus, to the tune of a billion, YES, BILLION PLUS gallons the feds/soy growers can't get rid of. I believe the tank farm is in Minnesota, per the program. There are better ways of farming too. Energy farming, food farming, sustainable farming can all go really well together, to everybody's benefit, from the farmer on down. Not quite what usually happens now. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol, lye for sale (cheap) in NY (Westchester Cty)
Hello folks, I had been lurking on another biodiesel newsgroup for a few years now and just became aware of this board. A year or two ago I took the plunge and made some successful batches of biodiesel with fresh oil, but I never got past the whole titration process to actually make it work with waste oil. Consequently, I have a supply of methanol (approx. 20-30 gals) and lye (approx. 50 lbs) that I want/need to get rid of. Incidentally, I also have a heavy duty mixer, stainless steel drums pails, and a propane candy stove that I'd like to sell as well. If anyone on this list is in the NY (Westchester County) vicinity and is interested in the material, please contact me off-list. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
Well said, Crag! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesse Parris|studio53| graphics / web design| stamford, ct This information , and any attachments may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). ~~~ - Original Message - From: Craig Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion Maybe we should just start hounding Congress to support biodiesel in any way possible, including paying farmers to grow soy for its production and mandating its use over petroleum diesel. They could do all of this in the name of the WAR and Homeland Security. They seem to be able to pass anything else for these reasons, why not support for biodiesel? Sincerely, Craig Rogers Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 05:30:36PM -0500, Craig Rogers wrote: If they would then change the laws regarding diesel automobiles, we could import more of them, rather than completely outlawing the importation of new ones within the next 10 years (based on current diesel technology). There What? Where did you get that idea? The diesel cars aren't being stopped from being imported by the US (except indirectly), it's the manufacturers like Mercedes, VW, Audi, etc. who won't import them here because the US diesel fuel is too crummy to run in their hi-tech diesels. So, I guess you could try to get Congress to mandate cleaner diesel fuel, but until that happens, the foreign automakers won't bring the good cars here. And lots of luck getting Congress to do it -- you saw what happened to the recent energy bill. Detroit and big oil own Congress -- they don't want foreign competition, and they don't want biodiesel. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: car conversion
useravav wrote: Someone using used cooking oil has no idea what oil he is using and if he gets a batch of cottonseed oil and runs it thru his engine pump destruction is probable. Do you have some documentation of this happening? Heating fuels like kerosene, fuel oil, and propane would be available but expensive. I don't follow your logic. Then listen with a calm and open mind. I am, still don't understand why you think being able to burn propane (Liquified Petroleum Gas, made from crude oil) is going to get you thru a time of scarce/expensive auto fuel. Propane is already far to expensive to run a car on. Some people use it because it's clean burning (forklifts in wharehouses, for instance), but not because it's cheap. And I can't imagine that during a time of real scarcity that people are going to have the luxury of heating their homes with precious fuel oil or propane. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FIND OLD SCHOOL FRIENDS and OLD FLAMES Click here to start your search at Reunion.com today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NFsLKA/Dn2DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 05:30:36PM -0500, Craig Rogers wrote: If they would then change the laws regarding diesel automobiles, we could import more of them, rather than completely outlawing the importation of new ones within the next 10 years (based on current diesel technology). There What? Where did you get that idea? The diesel cars aren't being stopped from being imported by the US (except indirectly), it's the manufacturers like Mercedes, VW, Audi, etc. who won't import them here because the US diesel fuel is too crummy to run in their hi-tech diesels. So, I guess you could try to get Congress to mandate cleaner diesel fuel, but until that happens, the foreign automakers won't bring the good cars here. And lots of luck getting Congress to do it -- you saw what happened to the recent energy bill. Detroit and big oil own Congress -- they don't want foreign competition, and they don't want biodiesel. But it seems you Americans want Congress or you wouldn't have elected them. Or is that a bit naive of me? Whatever, they'll respond to enough public pressure, re diesels, ULSD dino-diesel and biodiesel. Keith -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
If we could get our facts together and compose a letter with web links to further information, each of us could email it to all the reps in every state. I'm sure we could get people on certain other related lists to do the same. The thing is this: this country (and most others) runs on diesel. All the trucks and trains and busses use it, along with the military. If we were producing our own biodiesel to replace it, then huge amounts of petroleum would be saved and our reliance on it would be greatly diminished. If they would then change the laws regarding diesel automobiles, we could import more of them, rather than completely outlawing the importation of new ones within the next 10 years (based on current diesel technology). There is a lot that the government can do (they took us to the moon with 60s technology!) and there apparently is an awful lot that the people of the US will put up with in the name of this war. I see all these bad special interest groups getting on the bandwagon. WHY NOT US! Sincerely, Craig Rogers Good on you Craig. You want to lead the way? Re your idea of weblinks to further information, I have been compiling such a resource, but it's taking me time, I've got a lot else on my plate. Should be getting somewhere with it in a week or so though. We discussed it here before - it's to give us some ammo against diesel-bashers in the US. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion Maybe we should just start hounding Congress to support biodiesel in any way possible, including paying farmers to grow soy for its production and mandating its use over petroleum diesel. They could do all of this in the name of the WAR and Homeland Security. They seem to be able to pass anything else for these reasons, why not support for biodiesel? Sincerely, Craig Rogers Yeah, hound 'em! Re growing soy though, there are better crops. And there's this, from another list: NPR just had a program on about Biodiesel and part of the information was the issue that storage for soy oil has now reached epidemic proportions. The US has the largest tank farm in the world to store the oil. The soy cakes are well used, but the oil is surplus, to the tune of a billion, YES, BILLION PLUS gallons the feds/soy growers can't get rid of. I believe the tank farm is in Minnesota, per the program. There are better ways of farming too. Energy farming, food farming, sustainable farming can all go really well together, to everybody's benefit, from the farmer on down. Not quite what usually happens now. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
