Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

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Some of my time as an activist has been spent piecing together clues
and then stating an opinion or hypothesis which seemed to fit the
clues, before I was really able to test the idea.  The article below
does bring to mind some things I've been thinking about as to the
powers that be preventing the little guy from going into the fuel
business.  The prevention of fermentation and sale of ethanol without
government hassle also fits in this category somewhat, never mind that
it is usually regarded as a drug issue.  But I've never actually seen
any discussion of what it would take one guy to set himself up in the
fuel business until now.  Indeed, the powers that be reacted pretty
swiftly to shut him down, as I had thought they might.

This biodiesel board seemed in the wrong also.  

In any case, the one-sided treatment of this very creative and
industrious person was uniquely rotten.  I happen to like the idea
that our government has some interest in trying to nail down if fuel
is being sold that is unhealthy and I don't think the case was proved
that his biodiesel is healthy, but this could not and should not be
used to prevent this man from doing his business.  There has to be a
way to monitor such things without preventing industrious people from
doing business.

It is disgusting to me when I see the little guy prevented from
realising his dreams by such utter disdain for his time, money and
efforts.  The amounts of money involved, in particular, are totally
representative of how much disdain there is for the little guy and his
efforts.




>EPA thwarts Ashfield man's effort to sell cleaner diesel fuel
>By VIRGINIA RAY
>Recorder Staff and The Associated Press
>February 15, 2002.
> 
>ASHFIELD - The business that started as a labor of love to help protect the
>environment has come to a screeching halt after being refused paperwork by
>the federal agency charged with doing just that. Thomas Leue has closed his
>fryer-oil refinery after the Environmental Protection Agency refused to allow
>him to register his biodiesel fuel and sell it to power vehicles unless he
>first tests its health effects.
>"I am out of business of selling fuel to the public," said Leue, who sold his
>grease gas at Green Fields Market in Greenfield and Elmer's Store in
>Ashfield, among other locations. "I cannot do that, nor can I even barter the
>fuel." Leue said he knew that, as a manufacturer of the vegetable oil fuel,
>he had to be registered, and he submitted the proper form to the EPA in
>September "They took six months to respond," he said Thursday, "And this is
>the only time they've ever said no to anyone."
>Leue says the health testing required is stratospherically priced ,
>especially for a single producer such as him. "They require me to submit $2.2
>million of data to prove the testing is safe," said Leue, the town's former
>wastewater treatment plant operator who has been using restaurant grease to
>make gas for four years. "They said some of the data is available in the
>public domain and maybe I could get it down to a million dollars. And this is
>for stuff everyone understands is completely nontoxic and reduces pollutants
>by 90 percent and reduces global warming by 100 percent. It's really good
>fuel. Everyone says so."
>While its use doesn't cut down on smog-causing nitrogen oxide, biodiesel
>produces none of the carbon monoxide or small particles created by burning
>traditional petroleum-based diesel fuel.
>Jim Caldwell, an environmental engineer with the EPA, said the federal
>government has nothing against small business owners making biodiesel, but
>the agency does require the product to meet federal guidelines and emissions
>standards. "We're not trying to prohibit him from making or selling
>biodiesel," Caldwell said. "But he can't legally sell it for on-road vehicle
>use unless he registers it with us."
>Rather'than performing the involved research and testing himself, Leue could
>join the National Biodiesel Board, a testing consortium of 29 manufacturers.
>But that organization requires a $100,000 cash bond up front plus a $2,500
>annual fee, all unaffordable, says Leue, who has been selling his product for
>only a year, refining it in his old, converted sugarhouse.
>"And I sold everything I could make," he said of the 3,650 gallons he
>produced last year. "I'm not sure I could really make a profit off it yet. I
>was still leaming, and it's kind of a premium product, but it looked like I
>was making more money than I ever made with maple syrup. Plus, they're saying
>if I register and ever go out of business, I couldn't even make it for
>myself."
>If Leue were to continue to produce and sell the fuel for cars, he faces
>fines of up to $25,000 per day. He's already let two of his three other
>employees go. He is, however, allowed to use the fuel for off-road vehicles
>such as tractors, and says he's considering making a cleaning compound, but
>for now he says he's not sure exactly how he'll respond.
>Peg Pucino 

[biofuel] Alternative Fuel Technology

[MH]

 Those making fuel might be interested in
 additional information regarding: 
 - E15D (15% ethanol + 85% diesel) and
 - E95D (95% ethanol + 5% water) 
 - Diesel fuel 88%, water 10%, special vegetable additive 2%. 
 And blending agents for ethanol to diesel fuel
 using Dalco, nitrate esters and glycols.
 References and property charts included. 


 "A Technical Study on Fuels Technology
  related to the Auto-Oil II Programme"
 http://europa.eu.int/comm/energy/library/auto-oil-study.pdf  152 page PDF
 Volume II: Alternative Fuels
 December, 2000
 Prepared for: European Commission
   Directorate-General for Energy
 Consultant: Prof.C.Arcoumanis
   as sub-contractor to Bechtel Limited

   1 - Alternative Fuels for Transportationpg.6
   2 - Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) pg.24
   3 - Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG)   pg.48
   4 - DiMethly Ether (DME)  pg.66
   5 - Biodiesel (FAME) pg.83
   6 - Bioethanol   pg.104
 6.1 General comments about bioethanol and blends with gasoline or Diesel
   6.4 and 6.5  ETHANOL BLENDS for SI and COMPRESSION IGNITION engines
 6.4 Fuel/engine interaction (bioethanol and blends)
 6.5 Current state of bioethanol blends engine/vehicule technology
   7 - Biomenthanol and Blendspg.124
   8 - ETBE/Gasoline Blend pg.126
   9 - Diesel/Water Mixture pg.135
  10 - Evaluation of Alternative Fuelspg.145

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Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

[Keith Addison]

>Who was the small producer and is there a news link to a local paper
>or something that covered this?
>
>MM

Yellow Biodiesel, much discussed here and elsewhere, several press 
reports. The main thread here was called "EPA hassle". Unfortunately 
much of it is involved a preposterous and distracting argument with a 
troll (who blamed it all on Yellow Biodiesel). I don't recommend 
ploughing through all that crap in the archives. Eventually we took 
it offlist to a private discussion group with several interested 
parties, including Yellow Biodiesel and other small producers or 
would-be small producers. I'd say all relevant information was 
obtained and discussed there, along with options, if you can call 
them that. There was no real resolution, however - small producers 
face major obstacles in the US. And elsewhere (such as Spain). Note, 
however, that these restrictions in the US only apply to sales of 
fuel for on-road use.

A couple of press reports follow.

Regards

Keith


EPA: Order shuts down biodiesel fuel manufacturer
By WILLIAM SWEET and BETSY CALVERT
AP Staff writers

ASHFIELD - A manufacturer of biodiesel fuel has shut down his operation
claiming he can't afford the fees needed to register his grease-to-gas
business with the Environmental Protection Agency.
What galls Thomas Leue is that his situation seems to have less to do with
the environmental impact of the earth-friendly fuel and more with his ability
to pay.
"The EPA needs to decide whether they are . an economic control organization
or a pollution control systtm," said Leue, an environmental consultant and
former operator of the town's wastewater treatment plant. Re shut down his
operation this week and laid off two part-time workers.
This week the EPA informed him that it would not issue him the -necessary
registration to sell the fuel unless he conducted a test of the health
effects of his product or joined a national organization that has already
conducted such tests.
Harvesting spent cooking oil from restaurant grease traps, Leue has for the
past tour years transformed it into diesel fuel. He used a former maple
sugaring house as his refinery. Alternative fuel advocates say that, while
its use doesn't cut down on smog-causing nitrogen oxide, biodiesel produces
none of the carbon monoxide or small particles created by traditional
petroleum based diesel fuel.
This past year Leue started selling the fuel charging $1 more than the market
price of petroleum. He said he only recently discovered that he needs to
register, and faces stiff fines if he doesn't. He can still make it for
himself, and he can still sell the product, but not as fuel.
James W. Caldwell, an environmental engineer with the EPA's Washington D.C.
Office of Transportation and Air Quality, said Monday Leue has two options.
He could conduct involved research on the health effects of the fuel. The
test involves burning the fuel in an engine and observing its effects on the
lungs of lab animals. His second option would be to join and buy into
research already done by the National Biodiesel Board, a Missouri-based
consortium of 27 biodiesel producers.
"He hasn't gotten registered yet, so he shouldn't have introduced this fuel
to vehicles," Caldwell said, adding that Leue is still allowed to sell the
fuel for non-road vehicles such as tractors.
"I wouldn't say we shut him down," Caldwell said, noting they've taken no
enforcement steps.
But the alternatives are too costly for him, Leue said. He produced 3,650
gallons of the fuel last year.
"It wasn't a profit making venture. It was my mission," he said. He would
have had to raise his prices 67 cents on the gallon just to join the group,
he said.
The health testing cost the Missouri group $2.2,million. To share in the test
data, the group feels it's only fair to charge members up to $10,000 a year.
As a member producing less than 500,000 gallons, Leue would be charged $2,500
a year, a price he said his operation can't afford either.
"We want to be as inclusive as possible," said National Biodiesel Board
Executive Director Joseph Jobe.
The idea is to allow an organization to do the research without being put at
a competitive disadvantage, Caldwell said.
Leue had been selling his "Yellow Brand" fuel through Elmer's Store in
Ashfield and the Green Fields Market in Greenfield, but he said he would be
asking them to take the stock off the shelves.
 
EPA thwarts Ashfield man's effort to sell cleaner diesel fuel
By VIRGINIA RAY
Recorder Staff and The Associated Press
February 15, 2002.
 
ASHFIELD - The business that started as a labor of love to help protect the
environment has come to a screeching halt after being refused paperwork by
the federal agency charged with doing just that. Thomas Leue has closed his
fryer-oil refinery after the Environmental Protection Agency refused to allow
him to register his biodiesel fuel and sell it to power vehicles unless he
first tests its health effects.
"I am out of business of selling fuel 

Re: Brazil - was [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

[Keith Addison]

I think a major factor is how fluctuating the oil prices have 
affected the Brazilian government subsidies for ethanol. Another 
factor would be the role of Brazil's oil company, Petrobras, as well 
as deregulation..

"Although all fuel sold in Brazil is now required to contain at least 
22 percent ethanol, diminishing government incentives, industry 
deregulation, and a reluctance of automakers to manufacture 
automobiles that run on pure ethanol -the sales of which now account 
for only 3 percent of total sales, down from 96 percent in 1985 - has 
led to a decline in the ethanol market in recent years."


The ECO newsletter
Ethanol, Climate Protection and Oil Reduction
Environmental & Energy Study Institute

http://www.eesi.org/publications/ECOXII.rtf

January 19, 2001

International Outlook for Ethanol 

Early in the 20th century, ethanol was seen by many as the fuel of 
the future.  Henry Ford's "Model-T" was designed to run on both 
ethanol and gasoline, and ethanol accounted for a major portion of 
the transportation fuel market.  However, with the advent of low oil 
prices, gasoline came to dominate the transportation fuel market by 
the 1930's. 

In Brazil, ethanol produced from sugarcane had been used in varying 
amounts as a fuel additive since 1903, primarily to insulate the 
sugar industry from international market fluctuations.  In 1975, 
motivated by high oil prices, Brazil's government launched its 
Pro‡lcool program to combat the rising cost of importing oil.  The 
program consisted of a package of incentives for ethanol producers, 
and subsidies to lower the price of ethanol for consumers.  A fuel of 
22 percent ethanol blended with gasoline was marketed, followed in 
1979 by the addition of pure ethanol onto the market.  Today, Brazil 
is the world's largest ethanol producer, setting a production record 
of 16 billion liters (4.2 billion gallons) of ethanol in 1997 with 65 
percent of the sugarcane grown in Brazil used for ethanol 
production.  Ethanol meets 40 percent of the country's transportation 
fuel demand.  Although all fuel sold in Brazil is now required to 
contain at least 22 percent ethanol, diminishing government 
incentives, industry deregulation, and a reluctance of automakers to 
manufacture automobiles that run on pure ethanol -the sales of which 
now account for only 3 percent of total sales, down from 96 percent 
in 1985 - has led to a decline in the ethanol market in recent 
years.  Brazil is responding to the decline by looking for 
opportunities to export more of its ethanol and market its expertise 
abroad, reaching an agreement with Thailand to provide technical 
assistance to help Thailand reach its goal of 2 million liters 
(520,000 gallons) per day of ethanol by the end of 2002. 

In addition, Ford Motor Company and Thailand's National Science and 
Technology Development Administration have joined forces in a venture 
to promote ethanol use and production in Thailand.  The project will 
develop educational programs and work with Thailand's government to 
develop policies to promote the use of ethanol.  Recently, Thailand's 
Science Ministry endorsed ethanol as a means of curbing the nation's 
reliance on foreign oil, while boosting domestic crop prices.  The 
year-long project will also examine which technologies are most 
cost-effective and environmentally sound for ethanol production in 
Thailand. 

In North America, Mexico City Mayor Rosario Robles supports replacing 
MTBE with ethanol as an oxygenate fuel additive, after many of the 
city's wells were found to be contaminated with MTBE, as in many U.S. 
states that use the additive.  The city of Guadalajara began blending 
ethanol with gasoline in 1998, although most of the ethanol has to be 
imported.  The federal Government in Canada gave ethanol an exemption 
from the fuel excise tax in the early 1990s, and production of 
ethanol has steadily risen since. 

In Europe ethanol use as a fuel is not widespread, but the European 
Union's goal of achieving a 12 percent renewable energy share by 2010 
might encourage greater interest in ethanol.  In France, a 1996 law 
required the addition of oxygenate components in fuel by 2000, and 
ethanol was given an early exemption from the gasoline excise tax.  
New production facilities are also being opened in the Netherlands, 
Sweden, and Spain.  

The majority of fuel-ethanol in the world is produced by Brazil and 
the United States.

However, increased interest in ethanol among developing nations has 
the potential to expand ethanol's market.  These nations will depend 
on countries such as Brazil and the United States to provide them the 
technology and expertise needed to utilize local feedstocks and 
develop markets.

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Re: [biofuel] Re: truck question

[bob di falco]

Tony,

many thanks

your "west oz" what does this mean?

as to , below, 'black silicone sealer'
is that make-a-gasket, if not can i get
in parts store or home depot, if not where?

since you put that on gaskets, which is 
a tad different than sealing from the
outside without messing with the gasket,
but is on exhaust which does not have
a lot of outward pressure, do you guess
would hold without being blown away?
if would be blown, then would you guess
wrapping in fiberglass would hold it??
my first concern with make-a-gasket is
that heat off manifold is hot-hot-hot and
thus would makeagasket melt and or ignite?
just give me you guess, please

again, many thanks

bob di.
--- Anthony R Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have found silicone sealant (black) to be
> particularly effective as exhaust sealant, used on a
> new or used gasket and left to set at lightly
> tightened pressures, then tightened a further 1/2
> turn the next day, it can't be beat.  I have never
> had one of these leak.
> Tony from West Oz.
> 
>   Message: 8
>  Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
>  From: bob di falco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Subject: Re: truck question
> 
> 
>   Martin,
> 
>   i clicked your below url, read index
>   for furnace stuff i would like to know
>   if furnace cement would work on sealing
>   leak at gasket and connector from exhaust
>   pipe, both ends, i.e., gasket leaks
>   where mani comes off the engine and or
>   where it ends into a one pipe
>   my reasoning is that here gaskets
>   blow all the time, whereas if furnace
>   cement would hold then no need to
>   replace gaskets, etc
> 
>   bob di. 

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Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

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Who was the small producer and is there a news link to a local paper
or something that covered this?

MM

>There's also been a major thread here on things being made 
>difficult/impossible for small biodiesel producers in the US unless 
>they join the National Biodiesel Board and pay big bucks: ie, become 
>big operators. One small producer has already been forced to stop 
>production (though he seems to have other plans).
>
>In fact, though, distributed production already exists, in the form 
>of the thousands of people all over the US, and the world, who are 
>making their own biodiesel. Distributed distribution though, that's 
>another question. Very important one.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>>The green grease
>>machine (http://www.veggievan.org/biodiesel/green.html) is one example
>>of a modular production unit.  One could just place these right at the
>>fuel stations and then perhaps let the homeless recycle vegetable oil
>>sort of like they do aluminum cans.
>>
>>Eric
>>--
>>http://www.shouldexist.org/
>>
>>Trudy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> > Consumers won't gleefully pay for a more expensive fuel. How 
>>about using DOE Clean Cities Grants to lower the price in urban 
>>areas? B100 and B20 is available here in Philadelphia, PA at the 
>>local fuel terminal. The customers just are not fuel resellers. 
>>Anyone have an extra fuel tanker to pick it up and distribute to a 
>>local gas station. The closest B20 station is 350 miles away near 
>>Boston, and the second closest retail location is 430 miles away 
>>North of Columbus, OH.
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Re: Brazil - was [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

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On Wed, 22 May 2002 10:52:12 -0500, you wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, does anyone know the logistics of fuel ethanol
>> production and distribution in Brazil? That might be a typical model,
>> since the feedstock is widely distributed and the process is fairly
>> low-tech. Is the system down there dominated by a few big agri-
>> businesses, aided and protected by the government, or do a lot of
>> small farmers and local cottage industries make a significant
>> contribution?

I don't know the answers to your question, but while the previous
response was interesting, I found it more a bewildering collection of
quotes so I don't think that answered it either.  I do know a couple
of basics, but they don't speak to the focus of your question as to
who makes what and the logistics.

Basics I read somewhere:

Brazil tried cars that used 100% ethanol (or 95%?) but at some point
sort of took a step back and now the cars (as a generalization) use a
mixture of fossil fuels and ethanol, typically a 20% mixture of
ethanol or so?  This involves defining how the cars are set up.  At a
pure-ethanol mixture, the cars are very much different.  With the
less-aggressive mixtures, less different.  I can't quite recall
the pure ethanol mixture uses hydrous and the the mix with fossil
fuels uses anyhydrous?  Maybe I've switched it.

Another interesting thing I read in this article awhile back was an
analysis of the diminishing returns that Brazil seemed to be getting
in terms of energy efficiency or dollar-value or both.  In the 70's or
early 80's there was a hope that the strong improvement needed in the
energy and dollar economics of ethanol production would be
forthcoming.  As the commitment to trying ethanol continued, there was
indeed improvement in price and yield of product, but at some point
these improvements did not continue at a linear rate.

I think perhaps we can find the article somewhere.  There are many
things about Brazil's experience that we should heed or examine.

One last thing for now: Ethanol-powered fuel cells, which were
mentioned in the links provided by the previous respondent, would be a
terrific advance in human technology, but I think it pays to watch
fuel cell claims with some care.  At present, I know of not one place
where you could buy such a thing and put it in your car.  I do think
fuel cells are for real and will be part of our future, but I also
think it pays to treat fuel cell claims with great skepticism as a
rule.  If ever there was a great place to try an ethanol powered fuel
cell it would be Brazil.  I know of no advance which has yet led to
that, though I did run across one interested party once.

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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

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> n Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:50:27PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

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n Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:50:27PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Might you share the source for that "blacklist" utility?
> 


Procmail is the ultimate mail filter. It can even filter that asian spam
crap, on the subject line alone. 


> Life's too short to keep being reminded of the foolish nature of
> others even before the sleep is wiped from the eye in the
> morning.
> 
> Todd Swearingen
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
> 
> 
> > I'm getting them too. somebody is having fun with a list that
> does not do
> > verification. If you subscribe to my mailing list, you get an
> email that has
> > to be confirmed, both for unsubs, and subs, to prevent this
> dirty dealing.
> > our "friends" at the biodiesel group have signed me up for all
> kinds of
> > porno lists etc, that don't have this feature. fortunately, I
> have a great
> > blacklist utility that runs against my mail server filtering
> all this stuff
> > out and bounces it back as undeliverable.
> >
> >
> > Steve Spence
> > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
> >
> >
> > > >Keith,
> > > >
> > > >I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus ListManager
> in
> > > >the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to
> what I
> > > >don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in
> months
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> > > >
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> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >Beats hell out of me what it's all aboutplonk...!
> > > >
> > > >Todd Swearingen
> > >
> > > Damn, you too? I didn't associate that with the list.
> Elsevier's a
> > > major publisher. .sg is Singapore. There's also a "feedback"
> url, in
> > > China:
> > > http://elsevier.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/home-html/feedback.shtml
> > >
> > > But if you go there you get a "Forbidden".
> > >
> > > Anyone else been getting these?
> > >
> > > They come from Elsevier Science, The Customer Support Team.
> This is
> > > the Elsevier Science url:
> > > http://www.elsevier.com/
> > >
> > > Here's an address for their Singapore Customer Support
> Department:
> > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > I'll write to them now. If you're also being bothered, maybe
> a few
> > > more letters might help to get some results.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: 
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > >Subject: [biofuel] Glitches?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I
> don't
> > > >know
> > > > > what to do about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting
> strange
> > > >messages
> > > > > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received
> a
> > > > > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to
> the
> > > >Biodiesel
> > > > > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though
> she
> > > >had
> > > > > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three
> > > >rejection
> > > > > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to
> the
> > > > > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a
> member;
> > > >I
> > > > > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this
> happening to
> > > >anyone
> > > > > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems
> very
> > > >weird to
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
> > >
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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

[Appal Energy]

Steve,

Might you share the source for that "blacklist" utility?

Life's too short to keep being reminded of the foolish nature of
others even before the sleep is wiped from the eye in the
morning.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?


> I'm getting them too. somebody is having fun with a list that
does not do
> verification. If you subscribe to my mailing list, you get an
email that has
> to be confirmed, both for unsubs, and subs, to prevent this
dirty dealing.
> our "friends" at the biodiesel group have signed me up for all
kinds of
> porno lists etc, that don't have this feature. fortunately, I
have a great
> blacklist utility that runs against my mail server filtering
all this stuff
> out and bounces it back as undeliverable.
>
>
> Steve Spence
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
>
>
> > >Keith,
> > >
> > >I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus ListManager
in
> > >the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to
what I
> > >don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in
months
> > >save for the Bio-Biz list at Yahoo last week.
> > >
> > >Gives me an "unsubscribe" email addy at
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >Beats hell out of me what it's all aboutplonk...!
> > >
> > >Todd Swearingen
> >
> > Damn, you too? I didn't associate that with the list.
Elsevier's a
> > major publisher. .sg is Singapore. There's also a "feedback"
url, in
> > China:
> > http://elsevier.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/home-html/feedback.shtml
> >
> > But if you go there you get a "Forbidden".
> >
> > Anyone else been getting these?
> >
> > They come from Elsevier Science, The Customer Support Team.
This is
> > the Elsevier Science url:
> > http://www.elsevier.com/
> >
> > Here's an address for their Singapore Customer Support
Department:
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I'll write to them now. If you're also being bothered, maybe
a few
> > more letters might help to get some results.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: 
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
> > >Subject: [biofuel] Glitches?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> > > >
> > > > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I
don't
> > >know
> > > > what to do about it.
> > > >
> > > > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting
strange
> > >messages
> > > > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received
a
> > > > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to
the
> > >Biodiesel
> > > > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though
she
> > >had
> > > > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three
> > >rejection
> > > > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to
the
> > > > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a
member;
> > >I
> > > > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this
happening to
> > >anyone
> > > > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems
very
> > >weird to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

[steve spence]

just got 3 in a row on that one.

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- Original Message -
From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?


> Count me in on the "john.rogers9" glitch.
>
> It just came through a few moments ago.
>
> Todd
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
> Subject: [biofuel] Glitches?
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> >
> > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I don't
> know
> > what to do about it.
> >
> > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting strange
> messages
> > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received a
> > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to the
> Biodiesel
> > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though she
> had
> > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three
> rejection
> > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to the
> > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a member;
> I
> > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this happening to
> anyone
> > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems very
> weird to
> > me.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Keith
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

[steve spence]

I'm getting them too. somebody is having fun with a list that does not do
verification. If you subscribe to my mailing list, you get an email that has
to be confirmed, both for unsubs, and subs, to prevent this dirty dealing.
our "friends" at the biodiesel group have signed me up for all kinds of
porno lists etc, that don't have this feature. fortunately, I have a great
blacklist utility that runs against my mail server filtering all this stuff
out and bounces it back as undeliverable.


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- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?


> >Keith,
> >
> >I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus ListManager in
> >the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to what I
> >don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in months
> >save for the Bio-Biz list at Yahoo last week.
> >
> >Gives me an "unsubscribe" email addy at
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Beats hell out of me what it's all aboutplonk...!
> >
> >Todd Swearingen
>
> Damn, you too? I didn't associate that with the list. Elsevier's a
> major publisher. .sg is Singapore. There's also a "feedback" url, in
> China:
> http://elsevier.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/home-html/feedback.shtml
>
> But if you go there you get a "Forbidden".
>
> Anyone else been getting these?
>
> They come from Elsevier Science, The Customer Support Team. This is
> the Elsevier Science url:
> http://www.elsevier.com/
>
> Here's an address for their Singapore Customer Support Department:
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I'll write to them now. If you're also being bothered, maybe a few
> more letters might help to get some results.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM
> >Subject: [biofuel] Glitches?
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> > >
> > > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I don't
> >know
> > > what to do about it.
> > >
> > > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting strange
> >messages
> > > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received a
> > > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to the
> >Biodiesel
> > > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though she
> >had
> > > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three
> >rejection
> > > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to the
> > > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a member;
> >I
> > > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this happening to
> >anyone
> > > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems very
> >weird to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Keith
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] truck question

[steve spence]

too much vibration for furnace cement.

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- Original Message -
From: "bob di falco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] truck question


>
> Martin,
>
> i clicked your below url, read index
> for furnace stuff i would like to know
> if furnace cement would work on sealing
> leak at gasket and connector from exhaust
> pipe, both ends, i.e., gasket leaks
> where mani comes off the engine and or
> where it ends into a one pipe
> my reasoning is that here gaskets
> blow all the time, whereas if furnace
> cement would hold then no need to
> replace gaskets, etc
>
> bob di.
> --- Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It can be done, it's a matter of how much work
> > (and/or money) you have.
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Any chance of putting the Duramax in 3/4 ton
> > Avalanche in the
> > > future? Also, have any test been done with
> > Biodiesel on the
> > > Duramax?
> >
> >
> >
> > =
> > -Martin Klingensmith
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Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps

[Harmon Seaver]

   Right down here around Oshkosh -- there's a place called Rush Lake,
supposedly the best duck hunting in the whole midwest once upon a time, but
there's so much lead shot and its so shallow (most of it is only 1'-1.5' deep,
but some places it might get 5') and there was a huge waterfowl die-off a few
years ago, over 2000 died from ingesting lead shot one Summer. And the cattails
have moved in and taken over so bad, so they're working on a project to restore
it. 

http://www.northern-env.com/rushlake/Ann%20&%20Events/Ann%20&%20Events%202001-presentation.html

   And I've also seen some recent stuff about a similar DNR project down at
Horicon Marsh about 30-40 miles south of here. I think they'd be very receptive
to a harvesting plan, in fact the DNR was asking for volunteer help at Horicon. 

   The problem with all of these places (also the whole Fox & Wolf
Rivers/Winnebago chain of lakes) is caused by dams. At Rush Lake, the damn
doesn't make it that deep, but it stops water level fluctuation, which is what
allows the cattails to become dominate, and also created a "floating bog" rather
than an anchored one. In the big lake, Winnebago and the upstream lakes, they
caused a major eco catastrophe when they put in the dam in the '60's. The
increased water level lifted the bogs free of the bottom, they all floated
downstream and then died, so now there's a major problem with algae in the water
-- it looks literally like pea soup in Summer. You can't see even two feet
underwater at times. 
   If you (or anyone else) had a serious interest in trying to harvest the
cattails, I'd be quite happy to work with you on it. Money is the problem, I'm
dead broke, and although WI has a good bioremediation grant program, we also
have right now a 1.1 billion budget deficit, and it doesn't look like any grant
money will be available this year. 



On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 07:36:22PM -, motie_d wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> >Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. 
> In fact,
> > locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of 
> different cattail
> > control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of 
> acres, that
> > the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse
> > habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the 
> cattails. I'd
> > think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors 
> w/double tires
> > pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and 
> create a
> > fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for
> > gasification. 
> >I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position 
> financially to do
> > anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built 
> within a few
> > miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem 
> an easy
> > market.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Harmon Seaver   
> > CyberShamanix
> > http://www.cybershamanix.com
> 
> 
>  Harmon,
>  You got my attention! Where is this potential resource located?
> 
> Motie
> 
> 
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[biofuel] Re: Glitches?

[Keith Addison]

Hi Motie

>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> >
> > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I don't know
> > what to do about it.
> >
> > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting strange
>messages
> > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received a
> > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to the
>Biodiesel
> > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though she had
> > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three rejection
> > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to the
> > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a member; I
> > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this happening to
>anyone
> > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems very weird
>to
> > me.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Keith
>
>I just got a post returned for overquota to the address you
>mentioned. I also got the same emails to confirm my subscriptions.

Was that this one that Todd mentioned, which I'm also getting?
"Lyris ListManager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Or the Yahoo groups Midori and I are getting?

> I am speculating that it is a residual portion of the Virus that has
>been around, using our Email addresses as "From" and mailing to other
>Email addresses it picks up. The Yahoo mailer may be picking these up
>as requests for subscription?

It seems to be different things happening at the same time, just by 
coincidence. I hope john.rogers9's dumbo ISP has got swamped by 
complaints from list members, maybe they'll get their asses in gear. 
Our Yahoo subscriptions are a mystery, but I think that's some third 
party with odd ideas rather than Yahoo being silly.

Anyway, I contacted the Elseviers people at Singapore re the Lyris 
list, and they promise to take action, traced it to China so far. 
They'll let me know the result. They apologise for the inconvenience. 
They do seem genuinely concerned. If it persists, here is the address 
again:
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mention the Biofuel list.

Sorry about all this people.

Regards

Keith

>Motie


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[biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps

[motie_d]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
>Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. 
In fact,
> locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of 
different cattail
> control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of 
acres, that
> the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse
> habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the 
cattails. I'd
> think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors 
w/double tires
> pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and 
create a
> fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for
> gasification. 
>I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position 
financially to do
> anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built 
within a few
> miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem 
an easy
> market.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Harmon Seaver 
> CyberShamanix
> http://www.cybershamanix.com


 Harmon,
 You got my attention! Where is this potential resource located?

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[biofuel] Re: Glitches?

[motie_d]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this:
> 
> > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I don't know 
> what to do about it.
> 
> Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting strange 
messages 
> from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received a 
> notification asking her to confirm her subscription to the 
Biodiesel 
> group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though she had 
> definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three rejection 
> notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to the 
> Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a member; I 
> definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this happening to 
anyone 
> else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems very weird 
to 
> me.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith

I just got a post returned for overquota to the address you 
mentioned. I also got the same emails to confirm my subscriptions.
 I am speculating that it is a residual portion of the Virus that has 
been around, using our Email addresses as "From" and mailing to other 
Email addresses it picks up. The Yahoo mailer may be picking these up 
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Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[Appal Energy]

All the costs you want are variables that are dependant upon each
plant location.

A plant owner such as a city government might have considerably
less costs on many variables, as might many private concerns.

What you need is someone to design a completely self-contained
plant that can be dropped in via air transport- one that
processes a specific volume daily and generates its own process
heat and electricity. Then you can calculate machinery and
production costs, short of labor, water and taxes, that are the
same no matter where you locate the plant - Alaska, Tahiti,
Indonesia, wherever.

And that is something that not only takes a great bit of effort
to compile on paper, but deserves direct compensation and other
long term rights.

Helping people out is one thing. Handing them the keys to the
Kingdom is yet another.

As long as we're talking grease, a reasonable amount should be
put on the palms of those who would give you such voluminous
assistance.

Todd Swearingen
Appal Energy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: Shukrainternationals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


> Todd:
> Do you have details on cost of processing WVO excluding the
cost of the plant and the cost of the feedstock (WVO).?We are
trying to come up with a method to calculate all the costs
involved in producing BD. Basically, I divide the total cost of
production into four groups; Feedstock cost, plant & equipment
cost, processing cost, distribution cost.  We need details of
"processing cost" such as, chemicals, power, water, labor, etc.,
per gallon basis. UN had some s/w program to do this job. Anybody
know anything about it?
> Thanks.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Appal Energy
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help
>
>
>   Patrick,
>
>   All the equipment to manufacture biodiesel is available. What
>   needs to be done is acquire and assemble it all into the
>   configuration that fits the need.
>
>   A couple of questions are in order though.
>
>   What is the total consumption of diesel each year and when
are
>   the peak demands?
>
>   Does your city have the will to clean out its old storage and
>   fleet fuel tanks and use true biodiesel (B-100) or does it
want
>   to run a bio-petrol blend (such as B-20) that doesn't require
>   cleaning up the old fuel storage systems to the same degree?
>
>   How secure is the supply of WVO?
>
>   Once a choice is made as to the path to be taken, someone
should
>   examine existing city owned buildings that would be suitable
for
>   a biodiesel plant. Something as simple as an insulated
machinery
>   barn is sufficient. Availability of a process heat source is
a
>   consideration. Does the city have any processes already in
effect
>   where the waste heat could be used for the biodiesel process?
>   Natural gas could be used, but it incurs an expense. Waste
>   machine oils can be used, as can be WVO, which requires an
EPA
>   approved boiler for such a feedstock. This is not a problem.
>
>   Also, is treated wastewater available for washing stages so
as to
>   reduce demand on freshwater supplies?
>
>   And then "finally," give or take a bit, the city's diesel
>   mechanic would need to survey all diesel equipment to
determine
>   where replacement rubber and perhaps new injector pump seals
>   would be required over time when using B-100 or the higher
>   blends.
>
>   Making the fuel is not so much a "problem" as making the fuel
>   production and use fit into your existing framework - which
isn't
>   a "problem," just a process.
>
>   Todd Swearingen
>   Appal Energy
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Patrick McBrady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: 
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:14 AM
>   Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help
>
>
>   > Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone
>   successfully using wvo as
>   > feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities
to
>   run any or all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
>   >
>   > If so who are they and how do I contact them.
>   >
>   > Thank You
>   >
>   > Patrick McBrady
>   >
>   >
>   >
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[biofuel] US Gov't B20 & E85

[MH]

 US DOE
 Alternative Fuel News
 the official publication of the
 Clean Cities Program and the Alternative Fuels Data Center. 
 http://www.afdc.doe.gov/documents/altfuelnews/

 March 2002
 Vol.5 No.4

 "All the Signs Point to E85"
   Minnesotaâs flexible-fuel vehicle fleet operators are urged by the GSA to
 fill up with E85 ethanol fuel whenever possible. 
   A.J. Moses is on a mission. As a U.S. General Services Administration (GSA)
 employee working on the federal fleet program in the Twin Cities region of
 Minnesota, he wants to ensure that all of the region's flex-fuel vehicles 
(FFVs)
 are powered by E85. More than 400 federal FFVs drive in and around the Twin
 Cities-and with the nation's largest E85 refueling network, Moses sees little
 excuse for fueling those vehicles with gasoline. 
   Moses and co-worker Jeff Jensen represent GSA in the Twin Cities Clean
 Cities Coalition (TC4). (Jensen, an ardent E85 advocate, has converted his
 Harley Davidson motorcycle and riding lawnmower to operate on E85).
 Working with the American Lung Association of Minnesota, the TC4
 coordinating organization, they are reminding federal FFV drivers of their
 refueling options. New signs in parking lots and inside federal facilities urge
 drivers to "refuel flex-fuel vehicles with E85 motor fuel" as required by
 Executive Order 13149. The order, passed in April 2000, directs federal
 agencies to use alternative fuels to meet a majority of AFV fueling needs, and
 requires agencies to reduce their overall petroleum consumption by 20% by 2005.
 More > http://www.afdc.doe.gov/documents/altfuelnews/5_4federal_e85.html


 "Government Makes Biggest-ever Biodiesel Buy"
   The U.S. government has contracted to purchase approximately
 1.5 million gallons of B20 biodiesel fuel, and will make it
 available for use by many federal agencies at 17 sites
 across the country. The purchase is the largest single
 government procurement of biodiesel fuel to date.
 More > http://www.afdc.doe.gov/documents/altfuelnews/5_4federal.html


 "US Department of Energy
  EPAct Fleet Information & Regulations"
 Federal Fleet Program 
   EPAct set forth the statutory requirements for the acquisition of 
alternative fuel
 vehicles (AFVs) by Federal agencies. In fiscal year (FY) 2000 and beyond, 75%
 of light-duty vehicle (LDV) acquisitions in covered fleets must be AFVs. 
Signed in
 April 2000, "Executive Order (E.O.) 13149, Greening the Government through
 Federal Fleet and Transportation Efficiency," (PDF 137 KB) Download Acrobat
 Reader directs Federal agencies to fulfill the intent of EPAct to reduce 
reliance on
 petroleum products.
   Through a combination of AFV acquisitions, increased alternative fuel use in
 AFVs, improved efficiency of non-AFV acquisitions, and improvements in overall
 fleet operating efficiencies, E.O. 13149 agencies are required to decrease the
 annual petroleum consumption of Federal fleets by 20% by 2005 compared to
 1999 consumption. It further strengthened reporting requirements and required
 each agency to designate a senior-level official. 
 - What is E.O. 13149? 
 - What is EPAct? 
 - How do I report my annual E.O. 13149 and EPAct activity? 
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Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[Shukrainternationals]

Todd:
Do you have details on cost of processing WVO excluding the cost of the plant 
and the cost of the feedstock (WVO).?We are trying to come up with a method to 
calculate all the costs involved in producing BD. Basically, I divide the total 
cost of production into four groups; Feedstock cost, plant & equipment cost, 
processing cost, distribution cost.  We need details of "processing cost" such 
as, chemicals, power, water, labor, etc., per gallon basis. UN had some s/w 
program to do this job. Anybody know anything about it?
Thanks.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Appal Energy 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


  Patrick,

  All the equipment to manufacture biodiesel is available. What
  needs to be done is acquire and assemble it all into the
  configuration that fits the need.

  A couple of questions are in order though.

  What is the total consumption of diesel each year and when are
  the peak demands?

  Does your city have the will to clean out its old storage and
  fleet fuel tanks and use true biodiesel (B-100) or does it want
  to run a bio-petrol blend (such as B-20) that doesn't require
  cleaning up the old fuel storage systems to the same degree?

  How secure is the supply of WVO?

  Once a choice is made as to the path to be taken, someone should
  examine existing city owned buildings that would be suitable for
  a biodiesel plant. Something as simple as an insulated machinery
  barn is sufficient. Availability of a process heat source is a
  consideration. Does the city have any processes already in effect
  where the waste heat could be used for the biodiesel process?
  Natural gas could be used, but it incurs an expense. Waste
  machine oils can be used, as can be WVO, which requires an EPA
  approved boiler for such a feedstock. This is not a problem.

  Also, is treated wastewater available for washing stages so as to
  reduce demand on freshwater supplies?

  And then "finally," give or take a bit, the city's diesel
  mechanic would need to survey all diesel equipment to determine
  where replacement rubber and perhaps new injector pump seals
  would be required over time when using B-100 or the higher
  blends.

  Making the fuel is not so much a "problem" as making the fuel
  production and use fit into your existing framework - which isn't
  a "problem," just a process.

  Todd Swearingen
  Appal Energy
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message -
  From: Patrick McBrady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:14 AM
  Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


  > Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone
  successfully using wvo as
  > feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to
  run any or all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
  >
  > If so who are they and how do I contact them.
  >
  > Thank You
  >
  > Patrick McBrady
  >
  >
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Brazil - was [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps

[MH]

 Ken wrote:
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know the logistics of fuel ethanol
> production and distribution in Brazil? That might be a typical model,
> since the feedstock is widely distributed and the process is fairly
> low-tech. Is the system down there dominated by a few big agri-
> businesses, aided and protected by the government, or do a lot of
> small farmers and local cottage industries make a significant
> contribution?

 "The Brazilian experience with the use of
  Ethanol as fuel in transportation"
 by  Plinio Mario Nastari
 International Symposium
  November 5, 2001 
 Theres many statistics with in this presentation such as:
 - Participation of fuel ethanol in Brazil's total consumption of Otto cycle 
fuel demand:
 in 2000: 36.5%
 in 1988: 56.9%
 in comparison, in the US (second largest producer) : 1.3%
 - 310 producers spread over 20 States
 - The largest are:
 - Ethanol, anhydrous and hydrated, is sold to 177 distributing cos.,
 - Transported by trucks, rail, pipelines and vessels,
 and resold to consumers in over 26,000 retailing stations
 - Ethanol vs. MTBE:
 Oxygen content of Ethanol: 34.7% w/w
 Oxygen content of MTBE:  18.2% w/w
 - Volatility (RVP):
 - Consumption of fuel ethanol in Brazil, from 1976 to 2000: 
 - Hard currency savings (1976 to 2000)
 - sugar cane ethanol is the closest one can get to a zero-emission fuel.
 - Energy Balance for Sugar Cane Ethanol:
 1 to 6.7 without excess bagass;
 1 to 9 with excess bagass.
 - Fuel Cells 
 Efficient users of hydrogen contained in fuels => amicable to alcohols.  
 Hydrogen:Carbon molecular ratio: 
 Ethanol 3:1 
 Gasoline (Indolene) 1.83:1 
 - and more
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:DuA4kdovTsUC:www.bnri.co.jp/biomass/nastari/Dr.Plinio.ppt+brazil+history+ethanol&hl=en


  Argentina/Brazil Study Tour (February 2002)
 "Brazil Eyes Expanded Beef and Ethanol Exports"
  Thursday, February 14, 2002
  Day 7 - Brazil's Exports
 - Unica -- the trade organization of Brazilian ethanol producers.
 - and more
 http://www.ilfb.org/viewdocument.asp?did=2035


 Biofuels Update
 Volume 3, Issue 4 - Fall 1995
 Articles in this issue: 
 - U.S. Ethanol Coalition Returns from Brazil Trade Mission
  Governor's Ethanol Coalition (GEC) trade mission
 - Congress Looks at Ethanol Incentives
  U.S. Treasury could lose $2.5 to $5.4 billion
  from 1996 through 2000 if the current tax incentives
  for ethanol are eliminated, according to a recent
  report by the General Accounting Office (GAO).
 - Ethanol Provides a Net Energy Gain for the United States
  Corn ethanol production creates 24% more energy than it uses,
  according to a recent study performed by the
  U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Colorado School of Mines
 - Study to Compare Merits of Diesel and Biodiesel
  environmental and energy merits of biodiesel versus diesel as
  transportation fuels. The study, called a full fuel cycle analysis,
 - Biofuels News Bites
  Ten representatives from Amoco, Exxon, the Nebraska Ethanol Board,
  and the University of Montana have joined a new committee
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[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 05/22/02

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=
EREN NETWORK NEWS -- May 22, 2002
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN).

=

Featuring:
*News and Events
   Spire Opens New Solar Plant; ASE Americas Plans Addition
   U.S. Solar, Wind Companies Thrive on Exports
   Oregon Utility Buys Wind Power for the Next 25 Years
   GM Study Examines Greenhouse Effects of 36 Fuel Technologies
   DOE Announces 2002 Clean Cities Program Awards
   California Announces Summer Energy Conservation Plan

*Energy Facts and Tips
   North America Expected to Dodge Power Shortages this Summer

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
Spire Opens New Solar Plant; ASE Americas Plans Addition

The U.S. solar power industry continued to advance this
month with the opening of a new facility in Chicago and the
planned addition to a manufacturing plant in Billerica,
Massachusetts.

Spire Corporation announced in early May the opening of its
Spire Solar Chicago manufacturing plant, located in the new
Chicago Center for Green Technology (CCGT). The 14,000-
square-foot facility incorporates photovoltaic module
manufacturing along with office space and will eventually
employ about 55 people. Spire Solar Chicago has already
installed about 500 kilowatts of solar power within the city,
including a 38-kilowatt installation on Chicago's 911
Emergency Communications Center early this year. The
company has also installed 35 kilowatts of solar power on
the CCGT, and has signed a multi-year extension of its
partnership with the City of Chicago. See the Spire press
release at: http://www.spirecorp.com/Spire/news/news/PV371.htm>.

In Billerica, ASE Americas announced plans to add a new
10-megawatt solar cell manufacturing line to its existing
20-megawatt facility. Solar cell manufacturers measure their
production capacity in terms of the peak power capacity of
all the cells produced in one year, so the expanded facility
will produce 30 megawatts of solar cells each year. The new
manufacturing line will be fully automated and will create
30 new jobs at the facility. The first equipment should arrive
by December. See the ASE Americas press release at:
.

Spire and ASE Americas may soon face new competition
from overseas: Pacific Solar, an Australian company,
released details of its new solar power technology on
Monday. The company has developed a method of
depositing thin films of crystalline silicon on glass that it
claims could achieve costs as low as $1.95 per watt. The
company also claims the process is ready for commercialization.
See the press release, in Adobe PDF format only, on the
Pacific Solar Web site at:
.

The Pacific Solar announcement was made at the
Photovoltaic Specialists Conference of the Institute of
Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc., now underway in
New Orleans. Abstracts of the papers being presented at the
technical conference are now posted on the conference Web
site at: .


U.S. Solar, Wind Companies Thrive on Exports

While U.S. renewable energy companies face stiff
competition from foreign competitors, they also rely heavily
on the international market. And while solar companies have
traditionally counted on exports of their products, a recent
trend in the solar power industry involves the export of the
actual production technologies.

A case in point is GT Solar Technologies, which in April
announced the sale of a photovoltaic wafer production line to
China and the sale of a number of furnaces for growing
multicrystalline silicon ingots (used for making solar cells) to
a company in Germany. In early May, Spire Corporation
added to the trend when it sold a 10-megawatt solar module
production line to a company in Cyprus. See the press
releases from GT Solar and Spire at:
,
 and
.

Meanwhile, the U.S. wind energy industry appears to be
staying with the more traditional business model of exporting
its products. Southwest Windpower, in fact, was honored in
early May with the 2002 Small Business Exporter of the Year
award from the U.S. Export-Import Bank. Using the Ex-Im
Bank's export credit insurance program, Southwest
Windpower was able to offer open accounts to its small
foreign distributors in markets such as Canada, Brazil,
Argentina, Turkey, India, South Africa and St. Lucia, easing
the distributors' cash flow and allowing them to place larger
orders. As a result, 50 percent of the company's

[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 05/22/02

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=
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A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN).

=

Featuring:
*News and Events
   Spire Opens New Solar Plant; ASE Americas Plans Addition
   U.S. Solar, Wind Companies Thrive on Exports
   Oregon Utility Buys Wind Power for the Next 25 Years
   GM Study Examines Greenhouse Effects of 36 Fuel Technologies
   DOE Announces 2002 Clean Cities Program Awards
   California Announces Summer Energy Conservation Plan

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Spire Opens New Solar Plant; ASE Americas Plans Addition

The U.S. solar power industry continued to advance this
month with the opening of a new facility in Chicago and the
planned addition to a manufacturing plant in Billerica,
Massachusetts.

Spire Corporation announced in early May the opening of its
Spire Solar Chicago manufacturing plant, located in the new
Chicago Center for Green Technology (CCGT). The 14,000-
square-foot facility incorporates photovoltaic module
manufacturing along with office space and will eventually
employ about 55 people. Spire Solar Chicago has already
installed about 500 kilowatts of solar power within the city,
including a 38-kilowatt installation on Chicago's 911
Emergency Communications Center early this year. The
company has also installed 35 kilowatts of solar power on
the CCGT, and has signed a multi-year extension of its
partnership with the City of Chicago. See the Spire press
release at: http://www.spirecorp.com/Spire/news/news/PV371.htm>.

In Billerica, ASE Americas announced plans to add a new
10-megawatt solar cell manufacturing line to its existing
20-megawatt facility. Solar cell manufacturers measure their
production capacity in terms of the peak power capacity of
all the cells produced in one year, so the expanded facility
will produce 30 megawatts of solar cells each year. The new
manufacturing line will be fully automated and will create
30 new jobs at the facility. The first equipment should arrive
by December. See the ASE Americas press release at:
.

Spire and ASE Americas may soon face new competition
from overseas: Pacific Solar, an Australian company,
released details of its new solar power technology on
Monday. The company has developed a method of
depositing thin films of crystalline silicon on glass that it
claims could achieve costs as low as $1.95 per watt. The
company also claims the process is ready for commercialization.
See the press release, in Adobe PDF format only, on the
Pacific Solar Web site at:
.

The Pacific Solar announcement was made at the
Photovoltaic Specialists Conference of the Institute of
Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc., now underway in
New Orleans. Abstracts of the papers being presented at the
technical conference are now posted on the conference Web
site at: .


U.S. Solar, Wind Companies Thrive on Exports

While U.S. renewable energy companies face stiff
competition from foreign competitors, they also rely heavily
on the international market. And while solar companies have
traditionally counted on exports of their products, a recent
trend in the solar power industry involves the export of the
actual production technologies.

A case in point is GT Solar Technologies, which in April
announced the sale of a photovoltaic wafer production line to
China and the sale of a number of furnaces for growing
multicrystalline silicon ingots (used for making solar cells) to
a company in Germany. In early May, Spire Corporation
added to the trend when it sold a 10-megawatt solar module
production line to a company in Cyprus. See the press
releases from GT Solar and Spire at:
,
 and
.

Meanwhile, the U.S. wind energy industry appears to be
staying with the more traditional business model of exporting
its products. Southwest Windpower, in fact, was honored in
early May with the 2002 Small Business Exporter of the Year
award from the U.S. Export-Import Bank. Using the Ex-Im
Bank's export credit insurance program, Southwest
Windpower was able to offer open accounts to its small
foreign distributors in markets such as Canada, Brazil,
Argentina, Turkey, India, South Africa and St. Lucia, easing
the distributors' cash flow and allowing them to place larger
orders. As a result, 50 percent of the company's

Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[Appal Energy]

Patrick,

All the equipment to manufacture biodiesel is available. What
needs to be done is acquire and assemble it all into the
configuration that fits the need.

A couple of questions are in order though.

What is the total consumption of diesel each year and when are
the peak demands?

Does your city have the will to clean out its old storage and
fleet fuel tanks and use true biodiesel (B-100) or does it want
to run a bio-petrol blend (such as B-20) that doesn't require
cleaning up the old fuel storage systems to the same degree?

How secure is the supply of WVO?

Once a choice is made as to the path to be taken, someone should
examine existing city owned buildings that would be suitable for
a biodiesel plant. Something as simple as an insulated machinery
barn is sufficient. Availability of a process heat source is a
consideration. Does the city have any processes already in effect
where the waste heat could be used for the biodiesel process?
Natural gas could be used, but it incurs an expense. Waste
machine oils can be used, as can be WVO, which requires an EPA
approved boiler for such a feedstock. This is not a problem.

Also, is treated wastewater available for washing stages so as to
reduce demand on freshwater supplies?

And then "finally," give or take a bit, the city's diesel
mechanic would need to survey all diesel equipment to determine
where replacement rubber and perhaps new injector pump seals
would be required over time when using B-100 or the higher
blends.

Making the fuel is not so much a "problem" as making the fuel
production and use fit into your existing framework - which isn't
a "problem," just a process.

Todd Swearingen
Appal Energy
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- Original Message -
From: Patrick McBrady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:14 AM
Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


> Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone
successfully using wvo as
> feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to
run any or all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
>
> If so who are they and how do I contact them.
>
> Thank You
>
> Patrick McBrady
>
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[biofuel] Re: truck question

[Anthony R Clark]

I have found silicone sealant (black) to be particularly effective as exhaust 
sealant, used on a new or used gasket and left to set at lightly tightened 
pressures, then tightened a further 1/2 turn the next day, it can't be beat.  I 
have never had one of these leak.
Tony from West Oz.

  Message: 8
 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
 From: bob di falco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Re: truck question


  Martin,

  i clicked your below url, read index
  for furnace stuff i would like to know
  if furnace cement would work on sealing
  leak at gasket and connector from exhaust
  pipe, both ends, i.e., gasket leaks
  where mani comes off the engine and or
  where it ends into a one pipe
  my reasoning is that here gaskets
  blow all the time, whereas if furnace
  cement would hold then no need to
  replace gaskets, etc

  bob di.
  --- Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > It can be done, it's a matter of how much work
  > (and/or money) you have.
  > 
  > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  > > Any chance of putting the Duramax in 3/4 ton
  > Avalanche in the 
  > > future? Also, have any test been done with
  > Biodiesel on the 
  > > Duramax?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > =
  > -Martin Klingensmith
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Re: [biofuel] Glitches?

[steve spence]

anti virus, security and anti-dirty-tricksters is my career. feel free to
ask for advice. no charge. it's worth every penny ;-)

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From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?


> Kris,
>
> All things are possible. And I put nothing past almost any human
> any more.
>
> Can't say that I'm much help as a virus "officianado." Just keep
> a good program running any time you're accepting new data, even
> e-mails, and keep it updated.
>
> Anyway, hitting the delete button for these types of intrusions
> is certainly no worse than having to hit the delete button for
> much of the mindless chatter that comes out of the mouths of many
> nuclear advocates or numerous other thoughtless zealots. It's one
> thing to have a perspective. It's another to have an uninformed
> one that you try to club people with.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kris Book <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
>
>
> > Todd,
> >
> > I've also been having lots of wierd stuff happening to my
> > e-mail lately. Maybe one of the pro-nukers from the
> > EnergyOptions list got revenge on us for telling everyone
> > what's going with Nuke Energy.
> >
> > Somehow my whole e-mail and Internet connection disappeared
> > from my computer last week. After 23 minutes @ $1.99 a
> > minute on the 900 customer service # I had retrieved my
> > Address Book. Anybody know how to restore my e-mail folders
> > for the hard drive?
> >
> > Ever since, I receive 4 or 5 total blank posts a day from
> > addresses I don't recognize and not one has bothered to
> > clarify their first post. Could be that someone doesn't
> > want us to change anything around here. Can you tell me if
> > there exists a program that can truly protect my computer
> > from dirty tricksters?
> >
> > kris book
> >
> > --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus
> > > ListManager in
> > > the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to
> > > what I
> > > don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in
> > > months
> > > save for the Bio-Biz list at Yahoo last week.
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Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[steve spence]

Have a chat with [EMAIL PROTECTED] from biodiesel industries.

http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/


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Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


> Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone successfully using
wvo as
> feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to run any or
all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
>
> If so who are they and how do I contact them.
>
> Thank You
>
> Patrick McBrady
>
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Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[Keith Addison]

>Dear Patrick
>Re, your enquiry yes wvo is used successfully.Our Chiarman will be in touch
>with you,supplying you with all the information you need.
>Regards.
>Bio-Fuels Africa

Rather have your chairman respond to the list, where we can all share 
the information. This list is for sharing.

Best wishes

Keith Addison
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>Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help
>
>
> > Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone successfully using
>wvo as
> > feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to run any or
>all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
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> > If so who are they and how do I contact them.
> >
> > Thank You
> >
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Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help

[Raffingora Garage]

Dear Patrick
Re, your enquiry yes wvo is used successfully.Our Chiarman will be in touch
with you,supplying you with all the information you need.
Regards.
Bio-Fuels Africa
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Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help


> Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone successfully using
wvo as
> feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to run any or
all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles?
>
> If so who are they and how do I contact them.
>
> Thank You
>
> Patrick McBrady
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