[biofuel] graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
Hey folks, Check out this graphic on a sign someone had at the alternative fuel vehicle portion of the anti-war rally in san francisco yesterday... http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/imagewindow.php?image=127-2701_IMG Mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Hi MM, This is exactly what I mean, it is not US that must be protected from the rest of the world. It is in fact the rest of the world that must be protected from US. The best way to do this, is to accelerate the US energy conservation. They could save 50% of their use, without lowering the "American way of life". They could also accelerate use of alternative energy sources, like biofuels on short term and others on long term. The combination of energy conservation and alternative sources can also allow for a more even development of the world and a lot of cash going back into US. California has already proved how far energy conservation can go and they still have a lot of things to do. The Californian uses only 60% of the energy that the average American does. Since they are a populous state with I think 18% of the population and they also are a part of the average American (double accounting), they actually use less than 50% of the average American (minus the Californian). Your present President Bush and his backers are a little bit desperate and one sided in their interests. You can mention a few recent samples of that. - A political energy program that is disastrous. - Drilling in Alaska and other places. - Reduction of CAFE standard and resist a better replacement. - Support of loop holes like SUVs, for oil revenues. - Reduction of pollution standards. - Reduction of alternative energy programs. - Manipulation of oil depletion figures. - Scooping up Iraqi oil with UN food for oil program. - Open involvement in Venezuelan coup attempt. - Maybe covert involvement in the current Venezuelan crises. - Blatant involvement to secure oil deliveries from others. - Invasion of Iraq. - Clear warnings to Saudi Arabia. - etc. etc. One must be both deaf and blind, not to see what is going on. This even if one, as I do, like the Americans. But the very aggressive stands from Bush, "either you are with us or against us", is designed to kill all criticism. The problem is that it is solidifying the real anti American views and shut up the more balanced views. Today a critical view of the Bush policies is regarded as anti American and American bashing, even if it is well founded and constructive. Even with his hormone problems, President Clinton looks like he was a very responsible president. I miss him and I have never voted for the socialists in Sweden. It was a moment after 9/11 when I actually admired president Bush's handling of it. Now, when he uses it for support of the oil industry and their interests, I am back to my original view of him. I personally find it sad that if I say that the Americans are energy wasters and that it is ways to save energy. I take a risk to be branded as anti American. This is the same fears that many felt about the Germans or the Russians in the past, when their governments used the same tactics as president Bush do today. In a free and democratic society, it must be allowance for constructive criticism, without being painted as an enemy to the people. I hope that the Americans will come out of this as a great nation, but I am a little bit nervous about it. History has a tendency to repeat itself. Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important than it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can give some ideas for better bumper stickers. Hakan At 11:18 AM 1/19/2003 -0800, you wrote: >On the other hand, I suppose you could have a good point that the idea >of Boycotting OPEC could play into an ill-placed "demonization" of >OPEC and other excesses where the goal is in large part to get >Americans to take responsibility for their purchases and their >requirements. > >Well, I'll see what other bumper sticker ideas we can come up with. > >MM > >On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:09:20 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >Andrew, > > > >I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like "boycott > >OPEC". This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda > >campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to > >go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil > >reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the > >deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a > >disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. > > > >http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml > > > >The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of > >alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect > >and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper > >stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. > > > >Hakan > > > >At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like > >>"boycott OPEC" themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If > >>we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good > >>design
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
On the other hand, I suppose you could have a good point that the idea of Boycotting OPEC could play into an ill-placed "demonization" of OPEC and other excesses where the goal is in large part to get Americans to take responsibility for their purchases and their requirements. Well, I'll see what other bumper sticker ideas we can come up with. MM On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:09:20 +0100, you wrote: > >Andrew, > >I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like "boycott >OPEC". This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda >campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to >go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil >reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the >deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a >disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. > >http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml > >The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of >alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect >and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper >stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. > >Hakan > >At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like >>"boycott OPEC" themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If >>we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good >>designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to >>anyone who wants them at cost. >> >>I also like the idea that Yokayo is thinking of putting essential oils >>scents in BD-- might be nice to standardize the scent for B20, B100, etc... >>if consumers came to recognize that when they smell "pine" coming out of a >>car it means that's it's running B100, that could be powerful. I was told >>by a friend who used to work at DigiScents that our sense of smell is the >>most poweful scent we have in terms of Mnemonic power. >> >>Cheers, >>Andrew >> >>The Biofuel Business Development Project >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ >>Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact >>On the Long-Range Future of Humanity >>-- >>N Space Labs, Inc. >>www.NSpaceLabs.com >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>212.219.0851 (office) >>646.221.5602 (mobile) >>594 Broadway, #611 >>NY, NY 10012 >> >> >>Message: 10 >>Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:44:43 -0800 >>From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: bumper stickers for biofuel use? >> >>On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >> >> >http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml >> > >> >That is Bill's warez. >> > >> >Dunno, there has to be something more out there. >> >> >>#13 and 16 look ok, outside of the annoying (for these purposes, to me) URL. >>8 >>and 9 also seem ok I guess. >> >>It's something. I mean, if you have a simple straightforward statement, >>then it >>makes clear that your car is running on a renewable. This is somewhat less >>obvious with a diesel VW than with an EV1, so maybe it would be of value to >>those who do it. They go to a lot of trouble, some of them, to find or make >>biofuels, and one might as well clue people in that the car is running >>something >>special. >> >>With EVs, I know that folks learn a bit just by seeing the cars and >>realizing >>that they exist and work better than has been presented in some forums. If >>you've ever driven an EV1 around a city, you know it's an eye-catcher and >>you'll >>get some thumbs-up and such. With biofueled cars, might as well make the >>most >>of the chance to educate and market. > > > >Biofuels at Journey to Forever >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >Biofuel at WebConX >http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm >List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Well, I respectfully disagree as to the value of a boycott OPEC theme. This is not to say that I disagree in all respects as to skepticism about looming armed conflicts, but I do think there is value in waking U.S. citizens up to our economic dependencies. OPEC boycotted us thirty years ago and it caused plenty of problems for a brief amount of time. Putting aside any militaristic problems at present, there is still the *economic competitiveness* issue, and that is a huge one. U.S. citizens need to wake up to this, and soon. There is absolutely no avoiding the type of damage you foresee on into the future, as, obviously, it has already occurred and will continue to occur. No nation can so completely export so much cash for oil for so many decades and not suffer economic consequences. This has already happened in the U.S. and may, as you warn, get a lot worse. In any case, part of the challenge here is that a bumper sticker is a quick sound-bite and one must grab at a quick thought or two. So, designing one which does this may step on toes. If you wish to encourage more positive themes, then I certainly see that as common ground. As I mentioned before, I think with a biofuel powered vehicle this could be more important than with an EV, in that it is less obvious when a vehicle is powered by biofuel, so a bumper sticker may almost be a necessity if an owner wishes it to be obvious that he has gone to an effort to use an alternative fuel. On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:09:20 +0100, you wrote: > >Andrew, > >I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like "boycott >OPEC". This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda >campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to >go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil >reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the >deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a >disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. > >http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml > >The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of >alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect >and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper >stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. > >Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol source
Does anyone know of a source for methanol in Dorset UK? I live over near swanage, but am regularly commuting to Poole/Bournemouth and would like to find a source in this area... Hugh Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Drum Modification
The pipe fitting that you need for this application is commonly availible in Blighty and costs peanuts. It comes in BSP (British Standard Pipe threads ) sizes from 1/2 inch upwards and is used as a normal tank connection in both hot & cold water tanks. Threads are parallel and these connections are reliable. Strangely, pipe sizes have not been metricated here other than for copper pipe which has been adapted to the nearest metric unit.e.g. the old 1/2inch i.d. copper is now 15mm o.d.copper. Even the French use BSP pipe fittings! I am not sure what standard pipe thread you use but if it is American Standard Straight Pipe thread, then these look compatible. eg. 1/2inch and 3/4 are both14 tpi in both systems. The point of all this is that if you can use BSP flanged fittings for tank connectors the I will arrange to ship them to you at cost to save you farting around with brazing. email me direct on [EMAIL PROTECTED] ken --- -- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:55 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Drum Modification > I've been thinking about the weldless approach a lot lately as I just made some new processors (I demo'ed one at the > huge anti-war rally in san fran today, I played around with a 12V pump for an agitator (not a good enough one > though it did make some biodiesel while we ran our mouth about how others should too), showed off the anti-war > machine, flew banners off of our cars and trucks, and otherwise made fools of ourselves along with a contingent of > other biodieslers. > > Anyway I think there are times when a weldless approach is preferable and times when brazing in fittings makes > more sense. > > I was fooling around trying to figure out some cheap variations on processor design, pushing the bung-side-down > and weldless approach as far as I could take it. I have an excess of closed head drums available which is an unusual > factor- I got to cut some of them up just for the bungs, and then played with attaching the bungs to other drums... > > (After two or three months of processor experimenting, I have developed some kind of obsessive disorder or > something- I visualize plumbing stuff and weldless processors in different configurations all day and allnight in > my head- I dream about these things, I notice that no matter what I am doing, in the backof my consciousness I seem > to have some kind of visual of fittings, drums, and pipe layout configurations running through my head. I REALLY > need to get a life! really!) > > Having just gone through all of the options I could think of I'm pretty convinced of the following: > > 1. if you want to go weldless for a 'starter' processor, use the bungsidedown approach (I don't believe plastics are a > good idea at all for processors, having watched my friend melt a plastic tank processor, and watched a lot of others > leak) > > 2. brazing is the easiest way for an amateur metalworker to attach fittings to the thin metal of a drum with the > least risk of leaks > > 3. various compression-fitted connectors spring leaks (and I've as I said experienced this a lot) > > 4. One problem with the male-female connector approach is that (in the US at least) pipe thread is tapered. SO > there aren't a lot of ways to get a really tight fit with standard plumbing parts- you can screw two plumbing > fittings together but they'll bottom out before there's enough contact to make this a safe way (using commonly > available gaskets) to put a fitting on the bottom of a drum that will contain 400 pounds of hot biodiesel. Bungs, by > the way, do not seem to be tapered. THis allows for a pipe thread to be extended quite far through a bung, at which > point you can attach more plumbing to the protruding threads on the inside of the drum- there's times when this is > useful, dip tubes and other intakes inside of drums, heat exchangeers, and more. There ARE a couple of 'nuts' that > screw on to pipe thread, and can be run further than most other fittings- one is just a pipe thread nut that can be > difficult to find in hardware stores and isn't used often in plumbing, and the other is a lightweight lockring from > electrical conduit fittings- the lockring/nut (cant remember actual name) that you tighten inside an electrical box > in EMT or rigid applications is threaded like pipe thread, and this is useful for light-duty applications with a > gasket. > > If you spend money to send away to a catalog place for a gasketed spigot adaptor (they do make a few things like > this- it;s a fitting that gets a lockring and an gasket -ring, I haven't been albe to find a good one locally, though > MacMaster-Carr has them I believe) you might as well spend the same money on getting some local shop to braze a > fitting on for you so that it will be permanently leakproof > 5. However if you just need a place to stick a fitting above the liquid level- ie the top of your sight tube, or a > return from a pump in a pump-agitated proce
