[biofuel] Natural Gas Price Situation

2003-12-09 Thread murdoch 

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Natural%20Gas%20Rally

Just a sample article to give an idea.  These price spikes have happened for two
or three years now, and have come back down.  Supposing this happens again, and
we are able to have some return to more affordable prices, the lingering
questions in my mind would be how much damage is already done economically,
whether the higher prices have acted to send signals to the markets and
consumers that alternatives might be warranted, and whether we can develop
alternatives or improved nat gas sourcing in time to prevent even worse spikes.

This chart gives an eight year perspective:

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/NG/M

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[biofuel] Multifuel diesel with heat pump

2003-12-09 Thread Hakan Falk 



I wrote a short piece that I call,

Plug-in HVAC Cogeneration.
http://energy.saving.nu/plugin/hvacpump.shtml

It describes a little bit more about the idea and also includes 
contributions by others.

Hakan  



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Re: [biofuel] Re.Info required

2003-12-09 Thread Dan Maker 

giliyar mayya said:
> 
> hi
> 
> Can anyone helpme out finding information regarding in making bio 
> fuel. My doubt is that is there any process for making bio diesel 
> from used lubricant oil in cars and trucks?

Depending on what you intend to use the end product for, you may find
that you can use it as is with a babington (sp?) burner.  Check the
yahoo group wastewatts for more on the babington and uses for waste
oil, non-vegie (or vegie)

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Re: [biofuel] VetoMail message from simon@cliffordcox.freeserve.co.uk

2003-12-09 Thread Keith Addison 

Hello Simon Wells

Thankyou so much for sending this BS to more than 2,000 list members. 
I bet you don't even know you did it, eh?

These anti-spam programs are JUNK. They generate more spam than they 
prevent. Currently, for instance, they're blacklisting Nifty, of all 
people, as being an ISP that originates spam. Nifty is Japan's major 
ISP, almost everyone here uses it, millions and millions of them, 
it's closely tied with NTT, Japan's national telecoms co., and it's 
extremely doubtful that Nifty is a major source of spam, especially 
not in the Western world.

The explanation for this nonsense seems to be that there's an 
anti-spam virus around:

Porn virus targets spam stoppers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3287965.stm
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3 December, 2003, 13:50 GMT

Anti-spam organisations are coming under attack from a virus written 
to bombard their websites with junk data.

The Mimail-L Windows virus poses as an e-mail from a woman called 
Wendy who writes about a sexual encounter and offers readers nude 
photographs.

Opening the message's attachment rewards users with a virus that 
forwards itself to everyone in their e-mail address book.

It also turns infected machines into junk mail relays that can be 
used to forward thousands of messages to one of eight anti-spam 
websites.

[more]

It uses false sender's addresses. The anti-spam sites are apparently 
too dumb to realise that and blacklist the senders whose addresses 
the virus has purloined. Brilliant. Also, they return mail from the 
blacklisted sites, including attachments, thus doubling the amount of 
useless junk clogging the net.

One small result of this current idiocy is that we have been cut off 
from several list members we've tried to contact or who've emailed us 
off-list, messages get returned (in full!) saying we're blackllisted 
by spamcop or spamhaus. I managed to get a message to one of them via 
another route, and got told he doesn't use spamhaus. His ISP does 
though... But I can't tell him that because it sends my mail back. :-/

Anyway, I'm going to take a dim view of anyone who sends another 
message like this to the list - as with auto-replies that send "Gone 
fishing" messages to list members each time they post a message. Out 
they go, no warning.

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Re: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, & Veg Oil

2003-12-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Hi,

I would like to get more info about this. I have looked on the web but I
haven't found any good answers to some of my questions.

I really wanted to build an alternative fuel vehicle. After doing some
research I went ahead and built an engine to run alternative fuels.
With all alternative fuels having higher octane, and looking at what
others have done (on the web) I built an engine that needs higher octane.
This is where I have a problem. I looked at running natural gas and
propane, but after doing some research I realized that I was not going to
be able to do a conversion to these fuels unless I was willing to put a
large tank behind the back seat. I really didn't want to do this. I would
like to move to ethanol running straight ethanol. This way I would not
have to remove the additional water, but the problem I have with this is
that it would be to hard to find fuel when traveling. So I have decided
to just run the car on gasoline. The problem is that I will need to do
something to increase the octane. I looked into using octane boost, and I
even bought some, but on a pdf file I read most octane boost only
raises the octane level a fraction of a point. From what the pdf file said
that I should look at using either race gas or aviation fuel (something
called 100LL). With this being the case ethanol still looks like my best
choice to raise octane levels.

So, with all that here are my questions:

1. Has anyone ever used ethanol (or alcohol in general) as an octane
boost?

2. How much does ethanol raise the octane level of gasoline?

3. Has anyone tried running more than 10% ethanol. Would I be able to run
say 20 or 25% ethanol, or would I need to make changes to the engine, and
fuel system?

4. What would it cost me to make a gallon of ethanol vs making a gallon
of neat ethanol?

5. Could I mix methanol or other alcohols (like the kind from a drug
store like was mentioned below) into gasoline to raise octane levels?

6. Is something I could add to make the mixture less corrusive?

7. Is there a fuel that can be made from Veggie oil that could be ran in a
gasoline engine?

8. Is it possible that some of the sugars could be in the finished
ethanol, and ruin the engine. If so how could I test for this?

9. Is gasoline/ethanol mixture more danagers than gasoline alone?

Thanks,
Al



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> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:51:39 +0100
> From: Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, & Veg Oil
>
> Ethanol is a kind of alcohol.
> There are many kinds of alcohol. Ethanol is produced by yeast when they
> "eat" sugar, and so it is an  environmental friendly producing proces.
> Ethanol can be mixed with BD, but why would you do it ?
>
> Any kind of alcohol can be used as a fuel. They all burn.
> What you buy in the drugstore, usually will be ethanol, but this ethanol is
> treated, so that you cannot drink it. SO DON'T DRINK IT !! It can make you
> blind, or even kill you.
> You can quite easy produce your own ethanol.
> Information about the process is to be found at Journeytoforever.
>
> About the diesel : When you make biodiesel, there is no need to change your
> engine at all.
> Do it properly and you will be driving without any problems.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Pieter Koole
> Netherlands.
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>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:43 PM
> Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, & Veg Oil
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> > Can ethanol, alcohol, and veggie oil be mixed at all in any combination?
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> > What difference is there between ethanol & alcohol?
> >
> > What is it that we buy when we purchase alcohol in the supermarket or
> > drugstore?
> >
> > Could alcohol be used efficiently as a fuel or is it more expensive than
> > ethanol?
> >
> > An immediate solution for myself, right now, here in the U.S., is there an
> > alternative other than converting my diesel car to run on veggie oil?
> >
> > Thank you,
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[biofuel] Commercial production

2003-12-09 Thread William E Ottaviani, MS, PT 

Keith-

First, I must take my hat off to you and everyone else involved in the project 
and website.  The wealth of information is amazing and I hope that this 
information becomes common knowledge.  Since becoming interested in biofuels I 
find myself constantly dreaming of a United States freed from the governmental 
control of the fossil fuel industry.

As I have begun my own personal journey to free myself from fossil fuels (I 
recently purchased a 3/4 ton Dodge diesel specifically to run on biodiesel) I 
have been approached by a friend who would like to go into business producing 
biodiesel.  

My question is:  Are (or rather, Would) we be crossing ethical lines by 
producing biodiesel commercially (read:  for profit)?  

Although we are a processor and system that is in many ways unique from the 
processors that are described on this site and others that have links on this 
site, most all of the inspiration has come from this site.  The basic chemical 
process will also most likely be similar to the "recipes" given by Aleks Kac 
and Joshua Tickell although we plan on using a filtering process to refine the 
biodiesel to commercial specs as opposed to washing it.  

My original goal is still to produce biodiesel for personal use, but if our 
ideas end up working as well as we think they will, I plan on becoming and 
entrepreneur and do my part to make biodiesel a mainstream option for the 
general public.  I am afraid, however, that I may upset some by turning a 
profit using methods and information (although modified) by others.

Thank you for your time and wonderful work
billyO  

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[biofuel] Re.Info required

2003-12-09 Thread giliyar mayya 

hi

Can anyone helpme out finding information regarding in making bio 
fuel. My doubt is that is there any process for making bio diesel 
from used lubricant oil in cars and trucks?


Regards

Gopi



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Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

2003-12-09 Thread milliontc 

 
~5,823,000 btu per barrel of imported crude

~6,287,000 btu per barrel of residual fuel oil

~10,720 btu/kWh when converting residual fuel oil to electricity.
 
Thanks very much.
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[biofuel] VetoMail message from simon@cliffordcox.freeserve.co.uk

2003-12-09 Thread simon 

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[biofuel] Workshops on in the NorthEast?

2003-12-09 Thread Kent Phyfe 

Does anyone out there have information on workshops or other events 
that a newby to the BD world could go to learn more about this?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

2003-12-09 Thread Friedrich Friesinger 

Hi James,
my Generator uses 24 liters per hour,producing 80 to100 kva.
the rest is simple Mathematics
Greedings from Qubec
Fritz
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  I wonder if anyone knows how many barrels of oil it takes to produce 1 
  megawatt hour of electricity?
  Thanks in anticipation
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Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

2003-12-09 Thread Appal Energy 

~5,823,000 btu per barrel of imported crude

~6,287,000 btu per barrel of residual fuel oil

~10,720 btu/kWh when converting residual fuel oil to electricity.

These are numbers from an old American Petroleum Institute doc, circa 1994.
Efficiencies have probably improved somewhat for new generation facilities.
Yet there are numerous residual fuel oil facilities still on-line that were
built thirty years ago. Efficiencies may have improved there as well... or
not.

Todd Swearingen


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Re: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures

2003-12-09 Thread Alexander P. Loinaz 

Hi Franklin,

I believe we can work together to further investigate BD's use in the 
manner you are using it. But I feel that product liability is of 
paramount importance because all you need is one major failure and it 
gives the program a bad image when word gets around in the manner that I 
have been getting the feed-back; it affects the whole program, both for 
BD and Bio2T. I am interested in looking into what is being experimented 
by your group  and I look forward to photo documenting your tests and 
establishing an acceptable test protocol  that  may not necessarily 
apply to that of the manufacturer's processes as long as it can be 
proven and defended. We don't need a lab but actual field tests 
simulating certain load conditions and certain combinations of fuel/oil 
combinations to find the optimum performance of the product. I am a 
staunch supporter of biogenic  products whether this be ethanol or 
biodiesel, in any manner that they can be best utilized. I have been in 
this endeavor to ensure the 2 stroke's survival in the Philippines and 
any field data will always be welcome. My argument  has  always been  
biodegradability,  renewability, indigenous,  sustainability, and most 
important, environmental friendly.  We have to approach this in a very 
technical and professional manner because at the end of the day we have 
to prove its worth.

My very best,
Alex

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>
> I did mention the lubricity of BD because it the same oil
> component/property of BD that will give lubrication and prevent metal
> surface contact on crankshaft, connecting rod pin and cylinder wall when
> BD was used as a lube oil of two stroke gasoline engine.
>
> Lubrication of these engine parts for two stroke gasoline were done thru
> mixture of air/gas/oil at atomized or mist formed at pressurization
> chamber. This mixture will come in contact with these parts leaving a
> film of oil on metal surface. This film of oil provided by BD as lube
> oil has enough strength to prevent a metal to metal contact and prevent
> wear on metal surface. The crankcase (pressurization chamber) is sealed
> and no engine oil presence inside unlike in the case of four stroke
> engine where lubrication oil was splashed at the lower portion of
> cylinder/engine block.
>
> BD pure or blend with oil additive performed better than 2T mineral oil
> as lube oil. As to the testimony of tricycle drivers who tried BD. Their
> motor run smoother  and quieter than before, engine block does not heat
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> built up inside the cylinder and muffler, no oil dripping on their smoke
> exhaust pipe and most of all no more smoke.
>
> I don't have the test equipment because I cannot afford it but from
> testimonies of tricycle drivers who tried BD as lube oil and it works.
> Beside BD was cheap and will be available to tricycle drivers soon.
>
> Better yet, you have mention the four stroke gasoline engine for
> motorcycle after a year or two years used or introduction into the
> market and used as tricycle. Operators and drivers testify that two
> stroke engine is more durable than four stroke engine simply because two
> strokes has better lubrication capabilities than four strokes. They
> claim that the upper part of the cylinder or the combustion chamber,
> valve seat intake/exhaust port were not lubricated properly unlike two
> stroke engine. These parts are starving of lubricating oil specially
> upper most part of cylinder at TDC position, including valve seat and
> port where wear and tear occurred. Other than this Two strokes is
> compact, less parts and spare parts are cheap & available.
>
> This week we will try to use BD as lubricating agent for four stroke
> gasoline engine specially engine with fuel injector and see what will be
> the outcome.
>
> Best wishes
> Frank  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures
>
> Frank,
>
> You seem to be confusing the performance test procedure for biodiesel
> used as diesel fuel.  The HFRR lubricity test  as in the
> http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF  and another which is
> BOCLE as I mentioned previously in one of my mail tests for diesel fuel
> lubricity ability. These should not be confused with performance test
> procedures for 2 stroke engine lubricants which are two different
> procedures. The HFRR test as adopted by the Fuel Injection Equipment
> manufacturers (FIE) and the automotive industry or  the BOCLE test
> evaluates the ability of a fuel to provide the needed lubrication of an
> injection pump particularly distributor types that rely on the fuel to
> lubricate the pump's internal component especially with low sulfur
> diesel fuels that loose their lubricating ability because of severe
> hydro-treating

Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

2003-12-09 Thread milliontc 

 I wonder if anyone knows how many barrels of oil it takes to produce 1 
megawatt hour of electricity?
Thanks in anticipation
James

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Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

2003-12-09 Thread milliontc 

 I wonder if anyone knows how many barrels of oil it takes to produce 1 
megawatt hour of electricity?
Thanks in anticipation
James