Fuel-Meister/Monster Revisited was Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[Appal Energy]

Chuck,

There's no "problem" with any reviewer, save for those who are defficient in
their powers of discernment. The problem(s) lay with principle, or the lack
thereof - with the overly bloated price, its overly-hyped abilities and the
fact that for a "complete system" it is grossly under-equipped.

One should suppose that distributors such as yourself don't have a problem
with selling overpriced merchandise as long as the customer's credit card
clears?

Let's get serious, because you certainly didn't the first time all this was
pointed out back in February of this year.

 The primary parts inventory on this "system" consists of:

1) 110 gallon, conical bottom, closed-head, mixing tank - retailing at
$208.00
1) Stand for same - retailing at $120.00
1) 18 gallon, conical bottom, closed-head, mixing tank - retailing at $62.00
1) Stand for same - retailing at $85.00
1) 1" clear water pump - retailing at $35.00
1 set) Miscellaneous reinforced poly tubing - retailing at $15.00
1 set) Miscellaneous valves, clamps & fittings - retailing at $75.00
1) Junction box with cover plate, timer, switch and outlet - retailing at
$17.00

Extraneous costs are:

Incoming freight for tanks, stands and pump - $205.00
Welded pump and control box bracket - $25.00
Matching rust resistant paint - $2.75
Instruction pamphlet - $0.75
Crate - $35.00
Assembly time, 1.5 hours - $37.50

Total cost - ~$1,025.00

Now Chuck old boy, it's your turn to chime in with the percentage of each
sale that you make as a distributor.[Gee..., I wonder why you don't fess
up to being a distributor right off the bat?]

Hm.., let's see.subtract perhaps 15% from the retail price of
$3,000 and that still leaves $1,500 wiggle room.

No wonder Rudi/Fuel-Meister/Chuck can afford to offer "Free airline tickets"
with purchase.

Then there are those minute little matters of limitted functionality, system
incompleteness and gross over-representation

No Chuck, about the only thing that has changed since this past February
when you avoided the same facts is that the marketing text has changed a
little...

"Turbine pump," eh?
"Closed loop vapor recovery," eh?
"Real-time," eh?

Opposed to un-real time one can only suppose.

Oh., did I forget to mention all the other costs that are born by the
buyer after purchase just to get  this over-priced, "complete system"
functional? Drums, plumbing, pumps, filtration, insulation (You do believe
in saving energy, don't you Chuck?), not to mention the fleecing of
consumers for a $295 barrel heater when they can pay $130 plus freight at
McMaster-Carr?

Well, one thing is almost for certain. Shame and guilt aren't genetic traits
that are predominant within the "Fuel-Monster" gene pool.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own
biodiesel


> I own a FuelMeister.  It works great and is a well developed product.
Rudi has been very helpfull.  What is your problem?
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Keith Addison
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:55 AM
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own
biodiesel
>
>
>   >http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687
>   >
>   >You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
>   >make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.
>   >
>   >Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
>   >and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.
>   >
>   >I think the person interviewed has a web page here:
>   >
>   >http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/
>
>   Aarghhh! Rudi and his FuelMeister! And his website that's full of
nonsense!
>
>   I strongly urge a list archive search for "FuelMeister", a thorough
>   read of the results, and a ready supply of salt to apply to whatever
>   Rudi might tell the radio.
>
>   Best
>
>   Keith
>
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Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

My question is, why is Joshua Tickell pimping for Rudi's FuelMeister 
joke? What is he getting out of it?

Chris


Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Chuck
>
>  
>
>>I own a FuelMeister.  It works great and is a well developed 
>>product.  Rudi has been very helpfull.  What is your problem?
>>
>>
>
>My problem? I don't have a problem. You do though. You have a very 
>short memory too.
>
>I recommended an archive search, and I'm not going to do it for you. 
>What you'll find if you can be bothered to do it yourself is a LOT of 
>valid criticism of the FuelMeister, of Rudi and of the very bad 
>information at his website. The FuelMeister was aptly described as a 
>joke, a bad joke, a very expensive bad joke.
>
>This is all news to you? That would be strange. What you'll also find 
>is that all three, FuelMeister, Rudi, and website, were defended by 
>you, and only by you I think, but not defended at all effectively - 
>AND that what you didn't say then, and aren't saying now, is that you 
>sell the things. So what's the problem? You are, partly.
>
>The FuelMeister is still a bad joke - $3,000 worth of junk. As for 
>its being a "well developed product", which was what you said last 
>time too, at least one person who bought one has spent another couple 
>of thousand on it, throwing good money after bad it seems because his 
>results still seem very questionable to say the least.
>
>And Rudi's website is still fraught with bad information.
>
>And I guess you're still trying to sell FuelMeisters and being 
>defensive about it.
>
>Keith
>  
>




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Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

Hello Chuck

>I own a FuelMeister.  It works great and is a well developed 
>product.  Rudi has been very helpfull.  What is your problem?

My problem? I don't have a problem. You do though. You have a very 
short memory too.

I recommended an archive search, and I'm not going to do it for you. 
What you'll find if you can be bothered to do it yourself is a LOT of 
valid criticism of the FuelMeister, of Rudi and of the very bad 
information at his website. The FuelMeister was aptly described as a 
joke, a bad joke, a very expensive bad joke.

This is all news to you? That would be strange. What you'll also find 
is that all three, FuelMeister, Rudi, and website, were defended by 
you, and only by you I think, but not defended at all effectively - 
AND that what you didn't say then, and aren't saying now, is that you 
sell the things. So what's the problem? You are, partly.

The FuelMeister is still a bad joke - $3,000 worth of junk. As for 
its being a "well developed product", which was what you said last 
time too, at least one person who bought one has spent another couple 
of thousand on it, throwing good money after bad it seems because his 
results still seem very questionable to say the least.

And Rudi's website is still fraught with bad information.

And I guess you're still trying to sell FuelMeisters and being 
defensive about it.

Keith



>  - Original Message -
>  From: Keith Addison
>  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:55 AM
>  Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your 
>own biodiesel
>
>
>  >http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687
>  >
>  >You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
>  >make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.
>  >
>  >Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
>  >and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.
>  >
>  >I think the person interviewed has a web page here:
>  >
>  >http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/
>
>  Aarghhh! Rudi and his FuelMeister! And his website that's full of nonsense!
>
>  I strongly urge a list archive search for "FuelMeister", a thorough
>  read of the results, and a ready supply of salt to apply to whatever
>  Rudi might tell the radio.
>
>  Best
>
>  Keith



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Re: [biofuel] grants for biodiesel

[Bill Clark]

Hello Eva,

Send me your e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will send you the grant application I submitted and had awardeded by the
Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs. My grant award was for
$50,000.00.
The City of Eufaula, Alabama is the grantee.

Bill Clark
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: [biofuel] grants for biodiesel


> Does anyone know of grants or other sources of free or low-interest
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> that would aid someone interested in starting a small biodiesel production
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>
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[biofuel] (fwd) Two Thumbs Down for Climate Change

[murdoch]

I didn't know about this movie until I saw this post, so I guess it will be
interesting if the movie is well done and has some credibility or not.

MM

On Wed, 05 May 2004 09:52:39 -0700, Jason Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All:

As you may know, on Memorial Day weekend the first Hollywood blockbuster
about climate change will open at theaters worldwide.

The film is certainly science fiction, but as we know all-too-well, the
threats of global warming are in fact very real.

This is a great opportunity for us to reach tens thousands of the
ÒunconvertedÓ and raise some public awareness about the dangers of our oil
addiction. 

Below you will find a call to action from Global Exchange and Rainforest
Action Network urging folks to hand out leaflets at the film screenings.
Hopefully some of you will want to join us in educating movie goers.

Please send the alert far and wide to other people who you will would be
interested in leafleting at the movies.

Thanks!!

Jason Mark
Clean Car Campaigner
Global Exchange 


Two Thumbs Down for Climate Destruction

Go to the Movies to Stop Global Warming
Hollywood Science Fiction a Great Chance to Spread the Facts About Global
Warming

When: Friday, May 28 Ð  Monday, May 31 (or longer)

Where: At Your Local Movie Theater

What: Distribute Leaflets About the Realities of Climate Chaos and Spur
People to Action

Why: On Friday, May 28 the blockbuster climate disaster movie ÒThe Day After
TomorrowÓ will open in theaters around the world. This is the first major
studio film to address the issue of human-driven climate change, and
therefore offers an unprecedented opportunity to reach people who are
unaware of the threats posed by global warming.

By adopting a theater and passing out eye-catching postcards to movie goers,
you can help educate thousands of Americans about the realities of global
warming and give them ways to contribute to positive change.

>From coast to coast we need your help to distribute flyers, get petition
signatures, and give moviegoers an opportunity to take action. In addition,
we can help you organize after-movie parties and discussion groups the
opening week of the film.

Although it may take a Hollywood-style weather disaster to spur public
concern over climate change, we can use this as a chance to build the
movement for a sustainable economy.

Already government officials are trying to shut down dialogue.  On April 1,
NASA employees were sent e-mail message by the agencyÕs top press officer
that said, "No one from NASA is to do interviews or otherwise comment on
anything having to do with [the film]."

We will not be silent. With your help we will spread the word across the
country that the impacts of climate change are already wreaking havoc on
ecosystems and human communities across the planet, endangering our
security, our economy and our health.

This does not have to be a ton of workÑbut it can be a ton of fun. ItÕs as
easy as getting three or four friends together to go see the film, and then
before and after the screening passing out postcards to your fellow movie
goers as they enter or leave the auditorium.

Please join us today. You can start by filling out the action form below and
then returning it to:

¥ Jason Mark, Global Exchange, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 415-558-9490
OR

¥ Tara Wolfson, Rainforest Action Newtork, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 415.398.4404

For more information, please visit: http://www.jumpstartford.com

Thank you for your efforts to create a truly sustainable economy!

YES! I want to help spread the truth about global warming at ÒThe Day After
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Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[Chuck Cole]

I own a FuelMeister.  It works great and is a well developed product.  Rudi has 
been very helpfull.  What is your problem?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own 
biodiesel


  >http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687
  >
  >You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
  >make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.
  >
  >Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
  >and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.
  >
  >I think the person interviewed has a web page here:
  >
  >http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/

  Aarghhh! Rudi and his FuelMeister! And his website that's full of nonsense!

  I strongly urge a list archive search for "FuelMeister", a thorough 
  read of the results, and a ready supply of salt to apply to whatever 
  Rudi might tell the radio.

  Best

  Keith



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[biofuel] grants for biodiesel

[Eva Pierce]

Does anyone know of grants or other sources of free or low-interest funding
that would aid someone interested in starting a small biodiesel production
business, non-profit or otherwise? 

Eva





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RE: [biofuel] EERE Network News -- 05/05/04

[Eva Pierce]

I used to (before I discovered biodiesel) tell everyone I knew that when
they came out with a hybrid SUV I'd buy one. So. On the hybrid pickup.
woohoo!... a step in the right direction. but. 10 to 12 percent more
efficient? Seems like a pretty small step - for example, given that gas
prices where I live went up at least 20 percent in the last couple months.

 

However, every step, however small, towards cleaner air and reduced
dependency on foreign oil counts.

 

 

  _  

From: EERE Network News (by way of Keith Addison)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:56 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] EERE Network News -- 05/05/04

 



A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/ Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable 
Energy (EERE).

May 05, 2004

  #news News and Events

  #6836 GM Delivers the World's First Full-Sized Hybrid Pickup
  #6837 U.S. Hybrid Vehicle Registrations and Sales on the Increase
  #6838 Technologies to Boost the Fuel Efficiency of Cars and Planes
  #6839 University of Victoria Wins Hydrogen Fueling Design Contest
  #6840 Canadian Company Starts Production of Ethanol from Cellulose
  #6841 New England Grid Operator Awards Energy Efficiency Contract

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  #energy Energy Connections

EPA: No Change in U.S. Fuel Economy in 2004



News and Events

GM Delivers the World's First Full-Sized Hybrid Pickup

General Motors Corporation (GM) delivered its first commercial 
hybrid-electric vehicle on Monday, presenting the first Chevrolet 
Silverado hybrid pickup to Miami-Dade County in Florida. The vehicle 
is the first full-sized hybrid pickup in the world, achieving a fuel 
economy that is 10 to 12 percent higher than GM's other half-ton 
pickups. GM also takes advantage of the truck's electrical generator, 
providing four auxiliary power outlets under the rear seat of the cab 
for use in powering tools and other accessories. By the end of May, 
GM will deliver a total of 50 Silverado hybrid pickups to Miami-Dade 
County for use in its fleet, and will start selling hybrid versions 
of the Silverado and the GMC Sierra pickups at dealerships this fall. 
See the 
http://www.media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.eme 
rald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=3&docid=3640 GM 
press release.


A look under the hood of the Ford Escape Hybrid.
Credit: Ford Motor Company

GM delivered its new hybrid vehicle during the 10th National Clean 
Cities Conference and Expo, now taking place in Fort Lauderdale, 
Florida. DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy 
(EERE) and the Gold Coast Clean Cities Coalition are hosting this 
year's event, which EERE marked in part by launching a revised Web 
site for its Clean Cities Program. The revised Web site provides 
simple, intuitive access to information about the program, and 
reflects the looks and feel of the EERE Web site. See the 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/ Clean Cities Program Web site 
and the 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/conference/lauderdale/ 
conference Web site.

Meanwhile, Ford Motor Company is preparing to start selling its 
Escape Hybrid sport utility vehicle in late summer. Ford expects the 
front-wheel-drive version to achieve 35 to 40 miles per gallon in 
city driving. See the updated 
http://www.fordvehicles.com/escapehybrid/home/index.asp Escape Hybrid 
Web site.

U.S. Hybrid Vehicle Registrations and Sales on the Increase

The number of hybrid electric vehicles registered in the United 
States increased nearly 26 percent in 2003 to a total of 43,435, 
according to R.L. Polk & Co., a provider of automotive marketing 
data. The Polk report, released in late April, found that the Honda 
Civic Hybrid accounted for half of the hybrid registrations in 2003, 
followed closely by the Toyota Prius, with 47 percent. Honda's 
two-seater Insight accounted for the remaining 3 percent of hybrid 
vehicles. California is by far the state where the most hybrids are 
registered, and more than 40 percent of that state's owners are in 
Los Angeles. See the  http://www.polk.com/news/releases/2004_0422.asp 
R.L. Polk press release.

This year, U.S. sales of hybrids are continuing to climb, and Toyota 
appears to be passing Honda by. American Honda sold a record 3,041 
Civic Hybrids in April and has sold 9,023 Civic Hybrids since the 
start of this year, an increase of 10.9 percent over last year's 
sales. Meanwhile, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., Inc. sold 3,684 Priuses 
in April and 13,602 since the start of this year, an increase of 78.1 
percent over last year's sales. See the press releases from 
http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=2004 
0503 Toyota and 
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2004050352054
 &mime=asc
Honda.

Technologies to Boost the Fuel Efficiency of Cars and Planes

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[biofuel] Two Thumbs Down for Global Warming

[Jason Mark]

All:

As you may know, on Memorial Day weekend the first Hollywood blockbuster
about climate change will open at theaters worldwide.

The film is certainly science fiction, but as we know all-too-well, the
threats of global warming are in fact very real.

This is a great opportunity for us to reach tens thousands of the
ÒunconvertedÓ and raise some public awareness about the dangers of our oil
addiction. 

Below you will find a call to action from Global Exchange and Rainforest
Action Network urging folks to hand out leaflets at the film screenings.
Hopefully some of you will want to join us in educating movie goers.

Please send the alert far and wide to other people who you will would be
interested in leafleting at the movies.

Thanks!!

Jason Mark
Clean Car Campaigner
Global Exchange 


Two Thumbs Down for Climate Destruction

Go to the Movies to Stop Global Warming
Hollywood Science Fiction a Great Chance to Spread the Facts About Global
Warming

When: Friday, May 28 Ð  Monday, May 31 (or longer)

Where: At Your Local Movie Theater

What: Distribute Leaflets About the Realities of Climate Chaos and Spur
People to Action

Why: On Friday, May 28 the blockbuster climate disaster movie ÒThe Day After
TomorrowÓ will open in theaters around the world. This is the first major
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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class in Tucson, Arizona, May 22, possibly equipment class May 23?

[murdoch]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:11:08 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello all,
>Biodiesel homebrewing Class, Tucson, May 22:
>I'm doing a homebrew biodiesel class in Tucson Arizona on May 22nd, and 
>will be sending out more info about this workshop in a couple of days. The 
>homebrew class will be a 10-5 event, and will cover basics of biodiesel 
>process. I will be demonstrating a home-size reactor for a fullsize batch, 
>and the students will be making and testing smaller 'test batches', with 
>lots of hands-on practice. The cost will be my usual sliding scale $20-$50, 
>no one turned away for lack of funds, etc.
>if you are interested in more information on this class, please watch the 
>biofuel and biodiesel yahoogroups lists in the next few days when I'll put 
>out more details, or contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello:

Has anything been posted to clarify precisely where and when this will
take place?   Also, there was mention of a possible May 23 class of
some other sort.  Has it been determined whether that also will take
place, and where and at what time?  Has there been difficulty finding
a place to hold this event?

MM


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[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

[Marc Orion Cardoso]

-
  thanks for your good wishes, so far Ive had really good results  
with  four consecutive litre batches of  new canola oil using the 
usual 200 ml methanol and 3.5 grams of lye, agitating it for fifteen 
minutes  with great results, a brandy coloured  layer of  glycerin 
and a layer of soap with  the rest being fairly clear biodiesel, but 
yesterday afternoon I used wesson brand soybean oil (new) and found a 
clear layer at the bottom about 1/4 inch deep and the rest  of the 
oil is cloudy it just doesnt seem to be a complete reaction. can you 
tell me why the canola worked and the soy didnt seem to?
MARC








-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Marc
> 
> Glad you've passed the first hurdles with making biodiesel, good 
for you.
> 
> Thanks for the information, and please do keep us informed of your 
> progress, especially with extracting oil from the algae for 
biodiesel.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> >   Dear Kieth and lowell.
> >
> > We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of
> >years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into
> >algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to 
grow
> >algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that
> >would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of 
climatic
> >and geographic  conditions in that, we succeeded... we have 
been
> >growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research 
pond
> >here at ecogenics center.. although we have been  producing ethanol
> >and methane for many many years and were well aware of the 
potential
> >of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had
> >not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we  have 
now
> >reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now
> >prepared to enter a  new phase in our development program... that
> >is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent
> >production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon
> >embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and
> >after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel 
from
> >those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that
> >goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to  go slowly and
> >deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one 
can
> >see that we have touched  upon many areas of R&D over the years.we
> >expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will
> >successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the 
algae
> >to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our
> >progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from
> >wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so
> >we can do this...
> >Marc...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Lowell
> > >
> > > >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" 
which
> >is U.S.
> > > >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want 
info
> >on are
> > > >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which 
you
> >and I call
> > > >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the
> >microalgae search
> > > >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on 
this
> >is under
> > > >program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 
1985
> >reports.
> > > >Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy 
Institute in
> >Golden
> > > >CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options 
from
> > > >Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need 
to
> >buy quite
> > > >a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and 
some
> >pretty
> > > >exotic. If you want to look at "houses" for your critters 
search
> >on the net
> > > >for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife 
and
> >daughters
> > > >saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this 
one
> >day when
> > > >I get some space out of the house but am more interested in
> >finding cheap
> > > >sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck.
> > >
> > > You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list
> > > member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam 
but we
> > > never heard any more about it. Another list member researched 
the
> > > subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that 
it's a
> > > waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not 
at a
> > > doable small-scale level.
> > >
> > > Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on 
the
> > > subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of "Algae production 
for
> > > food fuel and fertiliser", "algaeculture technology for oil
> > > production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology", and
> > > referred list members to his website for further information.
> > 

[biofuel] Re: E-85 rollout was biodiesel business *#

[riored96]

Wrong. Think of it this way, the subsidy is 54c, for a gallon of (100%) 
ethanol, irrespective of how it is blended.
Ten percent, 5.4c. Twenty percent, 10.8c. Five percent  2.7c.  .(per gallon of 
finished product.)
FYI , I think of the subsidy in two ways, at low corn price, the 'subsidy' is a 
lower price (corn) guarantee, that floats
with the wholesale price of gasoline.
At high corn prices, --> Due to Forced usage issues<--, it sorta looks like a 
motorist subsidy.

RR

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Murdoch,
> 
>  I think the subsidy the controlling factor
> in the failure to introduce E-85 across the
> country.
> 
>  I believe that the subsidy to the blender
> is 5.8 cents a gallon of finished product here
> in the U.S.A.
> 
>  So, the E-10 has, in effect, a subsidy of 58
> cents a gallon of ethanol.
> 
>  The E-85 has, in effect, a subsidy of 6.8 cents
> a gallon of ethanol.  Therefore, this blend is more
> expensive at the pump.
> 
>  Please correct me if I am wrong about who gets
> paid how much by the federal government.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wendell
> 
> 
> 
> murdoch wrote:
> 
> >  On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:35:47 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> > >You bring up a good point. It's hard to find "green" business people,
> > since
> > >there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage
> > your
> > >efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact
> > other
> > >schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done.
> > I know
> > >they are out there but not sure which ones they are.
> > >
> > >As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
> >
> > >- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
> > >- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail
> > biodiesel
> > >stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a
> > pretty
> > >simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
> >
> > >government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).
> > >
> > >I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
> >
> > >franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
> > >stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to
> > undermine
> > >our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing
> > biodiesel
> > >business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics?
> > Expensive
> > >required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not
> > enough
> > >waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out
> > there?
> > >Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in
> > major
> > >cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel
> > and
> > >feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing
> > future
> > >wars to boot.
> >
> > I think, in addition to the hypotheses you mention, we could question
> > that the fuel distribution and retailing business is a different issue
> >
> > from the fuel production business.  If you make a great amount of
> > consistently high-quality biodiesel, where do you go with it?  Should
> > we expect the Exxon Station down the street to sell it, and a pump
> > right next to dino diesel?  Even if the station owner has his heart in
> >
> > the right place and wants to help us, I question whether there
> > wouldn't be tremendously powerful forces at work preventing him from
> > doing that.  I haven't really investigated this at length, but I think
> >
> > this partly explains why it took so long to build E-85 distribution
> > into the U.S. fuel distribution system.  In short over-simplification:
> >
> > we're asking petro-sellers to sell the fuel of their competitor,
> > without them having much incentive to do so.  It has taken awhile to
> > figure out how to get that to happen.
> >
> > >
> > >I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always
> > made my
> > >stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use
> > it to
> > >start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.
> >
> > Girl Mark's group was recently started to discuss some small-scale
> > biofuel business issues:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/
> >
> > I tend to agree on initial gut reactions to the "MBA" acronym.
> >
> >
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[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

[Keith Addison]

Hello Marc

Glad you've passed the first hurdles with making biodiesel, good for you.

Thanks for the information, and please do keep us informed of your 
progress, especially with extracting oil from the algae for biodiesel.

Best wishes

Keith



>   Dear Kieth and lowell.
>
> We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of
>years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into
>algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to grow
>algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that
>would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of climatic
>and geographic  conditions in that, we succeeded... we have been
>growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research pond
>here at ecogenics center.. although we have been  producing ethanol
>and methane for many many years and were well aware of the potential
>of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had
>not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we  have now
>reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now
>prepared to enter a  new phase in our development program... that
>is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent
>production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon
>embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and
>after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel from
>those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that
>goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to  go slowly and
>deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one can
>see that we have touched  upon many areas of R&D over the years.we
>expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will
>successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the algae
>to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our
>progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from
>wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so
>we can do this...
>Marc...
>
>
>
>
>-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Lowell
> >
> > >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" which
>is U.S.
> > >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want info
>on are
> > >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which you
>and I call
> > >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the
>microalgae search
> > >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on this
>is under
> > >program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 1985
>reports.
> > >Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in
>Golden
> > >CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from
> > >Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to
>buy quite
> > >a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some
>pretty
> > >exotic. If you want to look at "houses" for your critters search
>on the net
> > >for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and
>daughters
> > >saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this one
>day when
> > >I get some space out of the house but am more interested in
>finding cheap
> > >sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck.
> >
> > You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list
> > member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam but we
> > never heard any more about it. Another list member researched the
> > subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that it's a
> > waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not at a
> > doable small-scale level.
> >
> > Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on the
> > subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of "Algae production for
> > food fuel and fertiliser", "algaeculture technology for oil
> > production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology", and
> > referred list members to his website for further information.
> > www.dabney.com/ecogenics/
> >
> > I didn't find much information there, maybe I should have looked
> > harder. I saw some photographs that looked to me like water
>hyacinth
> > and duckweed, nice for greywater/blackwater treatment systems. I
> > guess there's something I'm missing. I'm not being sceptical, just
> > need more info I think. What's not clear to me is whether Marc has
> > actually succeeded in producing lipids from algae in usable form
>and
> > quantity. When last we heard Marc hadn't made any biodiesel yet but
> > would be doing so soon. I don't know if Marc has made yet biodiesel
> > from algae lipids. Can you tell us a bit more Marc?
> >
> > Meanwhile, personally I take your view Lowell, cheap sources of oil
> > seeds are more interesting. There's huge and very largely
>unexplored
> > potential in oil-bearing plants, as well as in productive and
> > efficient ways of producing t

RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

[Keith Addison]

Hello JP

>Hi Eva,
>
>We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking 
>of making our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with 
>amble supply of crude palm oil. We are currently studying various 
>proposal using our feedstock as crude palm oil.

Have you managed to make any biodiesel from crude palm oil yet? FFA 
levels range from 9-22%, not so easy. You might have to refine it 
first anyway. Also the beta-carotene content can interfere with the 
reaction in some processes.

Best

Keith



>Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine.
>
>Thank you.
>
>JP





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Re: [biofuel] Advil

[Keith Addison]

>
> >> I had a look at the bottom of a bottle of Advil
>
>
>So what's an advil when it's at home?

Hello Go

A brand-name for ibuprofen, a NSAID pain-killer (non-steroidal 
anti-inflammatory drug). Or at least that's what it is when it's at 
home - I didn't realise it's a common household item. Pain is a 
common household item? I suppose so. :-/ (Unless it's what a 
blacksmith uses when he's caught a cold... but that wouldn't make a 
very good bubbler.) I guess a lot of pills and vitamins and so on 
come in HDPE bottles, any of them would do.

Best

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Re: [biofuel] E-85 rollout was biodiesel business *#

[murdoch]

I have never been able to fully get how this subsidy affects things.  

However, even assuming you are 100% on the money that the subsidy
adversely affected the effort to introduce E-85 more widely, I do not
think this rules out that other factors were involved, such as the
question of whether Oil-Industry-Dependent businessmen had sufficient
incentive to risk selling the product of a competitor directly next to
the product of the Oil Industry.


On Wed, 05 May 2004 00:38:57 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear Murdoch,
>
> I think the subsidy the controlling factor
>in the failure to introduce E-85 across the
>country.
>
> I believe that the subsidy to the blender
>is 5.8 cents a gallon of finished product here
>in the U.S.A.
>
> So, the E-10 has, in effect, a subsidy of 58
>cents a gallon of ethanol.
>
> The E-85 has, in effect, a subsidy of 6.8 cents
>a gallon of ethanol.  Therefore, this blend is more
>expensive at the pump.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong about who gets
>paid how much by the federal government.
>
>Regards,
>
>Wendell
>
>
>
>murdoch wrote:
>
>>  On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:35:47 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> >You bring up a good point. It's hard to find "green" business people,
>> since
>> >there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage
>> your
>> >efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact
>> other
>> >schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done.
>> I know
>> >they are out there but not sure which ones they are.
>> >
>> >As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
>>
>> >- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
>> >- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail
>> biodiesel
>> >stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a
>> pretty
>> >simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
>>
>> >government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).
>> >
>> >I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
>>
>> >franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
>> >stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to
>> undermine
>> >our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing
>> biodiesel
>> >business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics?
>> Expensive
>> >required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not
>> enough
>> >waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out
>> there?
>> >Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in
>> major
>> >cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel
>> and
>> >feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing
>> future
>> >wars to boot.
>>
>> I think, in addition to the hypotheses you mention, we could question
>> that the fuel distribution and retailing business is a different issue
>>
>> from the fuel production business.  If you make a great amount of
>> consistently high-quality biodiesel, where do you go with it?  Should
>> we expect the Exxon Station down the street to sell it, and a pump
>> right next to dino diesel?  Even if the station owner has his heart in
>>
>> the right place and wants to help us, I question whether there
>> wouldn't be tremendously powerful forces at work preventing him from
>> doing that.  I haven't really investigated this at length, but I think
>>
>> this partly explains why it took so long to build E-85 distribution
>> into the U.S. fuel distribution system.  In short over-simplification:
>>
>> we're asking petro-sellers to sell the fuel of their competitor,
>> without them having much incentive to do so.  It has taken awhile to
>> figure out how to get that to happen.
>>
>> >
>> >I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always
>> made my
>> >stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use
>> it to
>> >start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.
>>
>> Girl Mark's group was recently started to discuss some small-scale
>> biofuel business issues:
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/
>>
>> I tend to agree on initial gut reactions to the "MBA" acronym.
>>
>>
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[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 05/05/04

[EERE Network News]

 

A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/ Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable 
Energy (EERE).

May 05, 2004

  #news News and Events

  #6836 GM Delivers the World's First Full-Sized Hybrid Pickup
  #6837 U.S. Hybrid Vehicle Registrations and Sales on the Increase
  #6838 Technologies to Boost the Fuel Efficiency of Cars and Planes
  #6839 University of Victoria Wins Hydrogen Fueling Design Contest
  #6840 Canadian Company Starts Production of Ethanol from Cellulose
  #6841 New England Grid Operator Awards Energy Efficiency Contract

  #site Site News

Treepower.org

  #energy Energy Connections

EPA: No Change in U.S. Fuel Economy in 2004



News and Events

GM Delivers the World's First Full-Sized Hybrid Pickup

General Motors Corporation (GM) delivered its first commercial 
hybrid-electric vehicle on Monday, presenting the first Chevrolet 
Silverado hybrid pickup to Miami-Dade County in Florida. The vehicle 
is the first full-sized hybrid pickup in the world, achieving a fuel 
economy that is 10 to 12 percent higher than GM's other half-ton 
pickups. GM also takes advantage of the truck's electrical generator, 
providing four auxiliary power outlets under the rear seat of the cab 
for use in powering tools and other accessories. By the end of May, 
GM will deliver a total of 50 Silverado hybrid pickups to Miami-Dade 
County for use in its fleet, and will start selling hybrid versions 
of the Silverado and the GMC Sierra pickups at dealerships this fall. 
See the 
http://www.media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.eme 
rald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=3&docid=3640 GM 
press release.

 
A look under the hood of the Ford Escape Hybrid.
Credit: Ford Motor Company

GM delivered its new hybrid vehicle during the 10th National Clean 
Cities Conference and Expo, now taking place in Fort Lauderdale, 
Florida. DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy 
(EERE) and the Gold Coast Clean Cities Coalition are hosting this 
year's event, which EERE marked in part by launching a revised Web 
site for its Clean Cities Program. The revised Web site provides 
simple, intuitive access to information about the program, and 
reflects the looks and feel of the EERE Web site. See the 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/ Clean Cities Program Web site 
and the 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/conference/lauderdale/ 
conference Web site.

Meanwhile, Ford Motor Company is preparing to start selling its 
Escape Hybrid sport utility vehicle in late summer. Ford expects the 
front-wheel-drive version to achieve 35 to 40 miles per gallon in 
city driving. See the updated 
http://www.fordvehicles.com/escapehybrid/home/index.asp Escape Hybrid 
Web site.

U.S. Hybrid Vehicle Registrations and Sales on the Increase

The number of hybrid electric vehicles registered in the United 
States increased nearly 26 percent in 2003 to a total of 43,435, 
according to R.L. Polk & Co., a provider of automotive marketing 
data. The Polk report, released in late April, found that the Honda 
Civic Hybrid accounted for half of the hybrid registrations in 2003, 
followed closely by the Toyota Prius, with 47 percent. Honda's 
two-seater Insight accounted for the remaining 3 percent of hybrid 
vehicles. California is by far the state where the most hybrids are 
registered, and more than 40 percent of that state's owners are in 
Los Angeles. See the  http://www.polk.com/news/releases/2004_0422.asp 
R.L. Polk press release.

This year, U.S. sales of hybrids are continuing to climb, and Toyota 
appears to be passing Honda by. American Honda sold a record 3,041 
Civic Hybrids in April and has sold 9,023 Civic Hybrids since the 
start of this year, an increase of 10.9 percent over last year's 
sales. Meanwhile, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., Inc. sold 3,684 Priuses 
in April and 13,602 since the start of this year, an increase of 78.1 
percent over last year's sales. See the press releases from 
http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=2004 
0503 Toyota and 
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2004050352054&mime=asc Honda.

Technologies to Boost the Fuel Efficiency of Cars and Planes

While General Motors Corporation (GM) and Ford Motor Company are 
entering the hybrid vehicle market, they continue pursuing other 
technologies that will also yield improvements in gasoline mileage. 
Notably, the two companies announced in late April that they are 
investing $720 million to build a six-speed, front-wheel-drive, 
automatic transmission. The new six-speed transmission is expected to 
offer up to four percent better gas mileage compared to today's 
four-speed transmissions, according to the automakers. Starting in 
2006, the new transmissions will be built at a GM plant in Warren, 
Michigan, and at Ford plants in Sterling Heights, Michigan, and 
Sharonville, Ohio. In November, Ford also announced a $155-million 
investment in

Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

>http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687
>
>You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
>make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.
>
>Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
>and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.
>
>I think the person interviewed has a web page here:
>
>http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/

Aarghhh! Rudi and his FuelMeister! And his website that's full of nonsense!

I strongly urge a list archive search for "FuelMeister", a thorough 
read of the results, and a ready supply of salt to apply to whatever 
Rudi might tell the radio.

Best

Keith



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RE: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[Ryan Morgan]

Worth a listen, thanks for posting it.

Ryan
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  http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687

  You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
  make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.

  Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
  and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.

  I think the person interviewed has a web page here:

  http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/


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[biofuel] E-85 rollout was biodiesel business *#

[YankeeTrader]

Dear Murdoch,

 I think the subsidy the controlling factor
in the failure to introduce E-85 across the
country.

 I believe that the subsidy to the blender
is 5.8 cents a gallon of finished product here
in the U.S.A.

 So, the E-10 has, in effect, a subsidy of 58
cents a gallon of ethanol.

 The E-85 has, in effect, a subsidy of 6.8 cents
a gallon of ethanol.  Therefore, this blend is more
expensive at the pump.

 Please correct me if I am wrong about who gets
paid how much by the federal government.

Regards,

Wendell



murdoch wrote:

>  On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:35:47 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >You bring up a good point. It's hard to find "green" business people,
> since
> >there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage
> your
> >efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact
> other
> >schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done.
> I know
> >they are out there but not sure which ones they are.
> >
> >As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
>
> >- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
> >- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail
> biodiesel
> >stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a
> pretty
> >simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
>
> >government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).
> >
> >I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
>
> >franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
> >stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to
> undermine
> >our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing
> biodiesel
> >business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics?
> Expensive
> >required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not
> enough
> >waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out
> there?
> >Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in
> major
> >cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel
> and
> >feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing
> future
> >wars to boot.
>
> I think, in addition to the hypotheses you mention, we could question
> that the fuel distribution and retailing business is a different issue
>
> from the fuel production business.  If you make a great amount of
> consistently high-quality biodiesel, where do you go with it?  Should
> we expect the Exxon Station down the street to sell it, and a pump
> right next to dino diesel?  Even if the station owner has his heart in
>
> the right place and wants to help us, I question whether there
> wouldn't be tremendously powerful forces at work preventing him from
> doing that.  I haven't really investigated this at length, but I think
>
> this partly explains why it took so long to build E-85 distribution
> into the U.S. fuel distribution system.  In short over-simplification:
>
> we're asking petro-sellers to sell the fuel of their competitor,
> without them having much incentive to do so.  It has taken awhile to
> figure out how to get that to happen.
>
> >
> >I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always
> made my
> >stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use
> it to
> >start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.
>
> Girl Mark's group was recently started to discuss some small-scale
> biofuel business issues:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/
>
> I tend to agree on initial gut reactions to the "MBA" acronym.
>
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[biofuel] Re: Advil Bottle Bubbler

[hamiltonjohndavid]

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 5/3/04 10:30 AM, hamiltonjohndavid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> > I had a look at the bottom of a bottle of Advil and realized
> > that it's made of HDPE 2. Perfect! I pricked about 50 minute
> > holes in with the smallest pin I could find, drilled a hole
> > through the cap and ran the tubing through and attached what
> > was left of the stone (the airtube attachment) then I filled
> > the bottle with a bunch of stainless nuts for weight
> 
> 
> Ingenious!  I love it ... this is exactly the sort of techno-
> logical advance that I really appreciate from the homebrew
> biodiesel community.  You made my day! -K

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[biofuel] Advil

[Go Hoff]

 
>> I had a look at the bottom of a bottle of Advil


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RE: [biofuel] Processing plan?

[Kim Phung]

Hi Mohamed Hassan,

Great to hear that you are able to help. We are thinking of making 100,000 mt 
of biodiesel plant. What would be your advise.

Thank you 

JP

lannin

mohamed hassan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i am more than happy to design a 
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> 
> 
> I looking for a good set of plans by which I can
> process 20+ Gal of 
> Bio per week. I have access to an unlimited supply
> of WVO but need a 
> proven set of plans to build off of. Any
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[biofuel] Re: Study: Shoppers Deserting Supermarkets

[f150_351m]

Heh.  Looks like the AP news service made a small error.

May 3
Clarification: Cheaper Shoppers Story

CHICAGO (AP) -- In a story May 2, The Associated Press reported that
financially pressed consumers were willing to spend less on food in
order to pay for gasoline, according to a survey by the Food Marketing
Institute. The institute's report said that high oil prices, both at
the pump and for home heating, were depressing consumers' ability to
spend more, but did not specify where that added spending would have
occurred. The institute said it had no evidence that consumers were
choosing to spend less for food in order to pay for gasoline.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.



--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With Apologies to Mr. Dreyfuss for quoting the whole thing, but AP
> does a poor job through yahoo of archiving articles, and I don't
want
> this to be deleted after a few weeks, which is their wont.
> 
> Some interesting introductory thinking to how American consumers are
> presently seeing the motor fuel-vs.-food-purchase equations.
> 
> MM
> 
> 
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=50
9&ncid=718&e=5&u=/ap/20040502/ap_on_bi_ge/cheaper_shoppers
> 
> Study: Shoppers Deserting Supermarkets 
> 
> Sun May 2, 7:06 PM ET  Add Business - AP to My Yahoo! 
>  
> 
> By IRA DREYFUSS, Associated Press Writer 
> 
> CHICAGO - For financially pressed consumers, it's coming down to a
> choice between spending on gasoline or groceries, and gasoline is
> winning, a food industry analysis finds. 
> 
> 
> "Given the economic environment, it is not surprising that more
> shoppers are buying food today in discount stores and other
low-price
> venues than ever before," said the report by the Food Marketing
> Institute, released at the organization's annual trade show in
> Chicago. 
> 
> 
> "High oil prices, both at the pump and for home heating, depress
> consumers' ability to spend more," the study said. 
> 
> 
> Gasoline prices have been soaring: about 35 cents a gallon since
> December, driven by surging crude oil prices, according to gasoline
> industry analyst Trilby Lundberg. 
> 
> 
> The food industry report said the fuel price increases are
tightening
> the pressure on personal budgets that already were squeezed hard by
> credit card bills. 
> 
> 
> "In 2003, for the second consecutive year, we detected among
consumers
> that minus inflation, minus inflation, they are managing to buy
their
> groceries for less than they did last year," Michael Sansolo, FMI's
> senior vice president, told the group's opening conference Sunday. 
> 
> 
> Consumers feel the financial pain and are acting to ease it by
finding
> cheaper places to spend on food, said the FMI report, citing a
survey
> commissioned by the trade group. The survey of more than 500 people
> telephoned randomly in January had a margin of error of 4.5
percentage
> points. 
> 
> 
> As a result, supermarkets are losing their hold on their customers,
> who can go to other retailers such as discount stores, the survey
> said. 
> 
> 
> The proportion of respondents who said a supermarket was their
primary
> food store fell by 5 percentage points since a year earlier, to 72
> percent. The share of shoppers who considered a discount store their
> first choice rose by 4 percentage points, to 21 percent. 
> 
> 
> The report also said shoppers are finding other ways to be more
> careful in their spending. 
> 
> 
> More shoppers said they were comparison shopping, looking in
> newspapers for sales,using coupons and rebates, stocking up on
> bargains even if they don't need the items right away, and buying
only
> what was on their grocery lists. More shoppers also were keeping
> grocery lists, the survey found. 
> 
> 
> For all that work, however, the average grocery bills that the
survey
> respondents reported showed little change. The average weekly bill
> fell $1, to $90, from January of 2003. 
> 
> 
> Working against the desire to save money was the desire to save
time,
> something else that modern America has all too little of. The survey
> showed an increase in purchases of precooked foods, which cost more
> than the ingredients for from-scratch meals. 
> 
> 
> "The trend toward timesaving convenience foods from precooked pasta
to
> cereal bars continues," the report said. 
> 
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[biofuel] Re: Lye in Canada

[biobenz]

Or, you can check out Prolab Scientific 1-800-556-5226 and ask 
for Mark Malone. He is my contact in Montreal and I am dealing with 
him for larger quantities of both Sodium Hydroxide and Potassium 
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catalogue. They have all kinds of chemical/scientific stuff (PH 
meters, vials, pipettes ect...)as well as the gamut of chemicals 
including sulfuric acid should you decide to go the two stage method 
in future.
One reason you may be having trouble finding "lye" is that it goes 
under a bunch of different names and the one you are searching for 
is unfamiliar to that area.

Potassium Hydroxide and it's synonyms:
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/PO/potassium_hydroxide.html
Sodium Hydroxide and it's synonyms:
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/SO/sodium_hydroxide.html
I aslo had trouble getting it and that is why I ended up at Prolab 
and Mark has been VERY helpful, knows what I want it for and seems 
genuinely interested(curious).

Hope this helps.

Luc


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> Hi again. 
> 
> Finding lye in Canada can be a pain. I finally tracked a good 
source down at 
> Home Hardware here on the east coast. Gillette's Lye is available 
in small 
> bottles at HH and is expensive. HH has their own brand called Home 
Lye 
> Crystals and comes in a 3k container for about 18$. 
> 
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RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car

[Tan]

That sounds like a babington burner. Is it, Charles?

Regards,
chris

=>-Original Message-
=>From: Ed Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:37 AM
=>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=>Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the
=>ACPropulsion car
=>
=>
=>Your heater sound great, maybe you could post the plans(?).
=>Thanks,
=>Ed
=>
=>
=>>From: "charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=>>Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=>>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=>>Subject: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car
=>>Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:24:30 -
=>>
=>>good solutions to our energy problems tend to leave out big
=>>brother,big business,big oil and big daddy bush. just think how much
=>>good it would do if all our soldiers came back to the u.s. and
=>>converted 1 diesel engine a day to run on free used cooking oil,
=>>like my 83 nissan diesel truck does.being ex 101st airborne, i am
=>>sure all the soldiers could be taught how to do it, and most of them
=>>would enjoy it.but running on cooking oil is good for the
=>>environment, and nobody makes a profit, except the poor old greasy
=>>guy who converts his vehicle to save money and the air his kids will
=>>breath. sure, a few people make some money, selling conversion
=>>parts, but there is no HUGE profit margin for anyone, except that
=>>greasy guy again, goin on grease. also, my little waste cooking oil
=>>heater/jet blasts hot eneough to melt aluminum and heat a
=>>gymnasium.2 hours of high heat,with an input of a 30 second run on a
=>>cheap 12volt air compressor, and less than 1 liter of free used
=>>cooking oil(actually the smaller one will heat most houses, and gets
=>>8 hrs on 2 liters of oil). i actually melted a hole in my copper
=>>vaporizor coil the other day on the big one, so i have to rebuild it
=>>using steel now.big brother and big business could never profit off
=>>the fuel or the parts,though, so i doubt you will ever see this unit
=>>at home depot or lowes.
=>>
=>>
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[biofuel] Orange Biodiesel?

[Kevin Shea]

While still a rookie, I've produced 6-7 liters using WVO.  My labor paid off 
with a neutral pH and amber clear biodiesel.

However, can certain WVO oils mixed together produce a different color output?  
For example I received approximate 5 gal peanut oil, 15 gal canola and 1 gal of 
Soy Oil.that were donated to me from varies sources  (All are WVO).  I simply 
poured the WVO in my WVO drum for future bioprocessing.

Upon processing, I completed 3 batches of 17 liters.  I received good 
separation.  After draining the biodiesel to a wash tank, I noticed that my 
output was murky and orange in color.  I've washed the fuel twice and still 
it's orange and murky (even though the wash water is clear)!

I did a gentle shake test using about 6 oz "orange" to 6 0z of water and it 
easily separated within minutes.  Later, I shook the same container vigorously, 
no emulsions and good separation within minutes.

I haven't tested the pH yet, but on the biases of the color I received, has 
anyone had orange biodiesel?  It looks just like orange soda, but It smells 
exactly as biodiesel?. The processing phase seemed normal.


Thank you, 
Kevin Shea


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[biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel

[murdoch]

http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=687

You have to click on the Windows Media Player link.   I am unable to
make the real player link work, though that may be my setup.

Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music,
and then the radio show begins.  I'm listening to the interview now.

I think the person interviewed has a web page here:

http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/


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[biofuel] How long does lye take to dissolve in methanol

[kline]

I finally took the step of making a test batch of biodiesel.  At least I
have attempted to mix teh methoxide.  I bought a bottle of HEET gas line
antifreeze which is reportedly of a high enough purity to use, and a jar
of red devil lye.  I mixed about 7 grams of lye to a bit better than 300Ml
of Methanol.  How long before I have useable methoxide?  IO tried looking
at Keith's site, but apparently its down tonight or else my browser is
having trouble recognizing it.  Can you all help me? Thanks!
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Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

[murdoch]

On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:35:47 -0700, you wrote:

>You bring up a good point. It's hard to find "green" business people, since
>there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
>efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
>schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
>they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 
>
>As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
>- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
>- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
>stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
>simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
>government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).
>
>I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
>franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
>stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
>our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
>business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
>required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
>waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
>Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
>cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
>feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
>wars to boot.

I think, in addition to the hypotheses you mention, we could question
that the fuel distribution and retailing business is a different issue
from the fuel production business.  If you make a great amount of
consistently high-quality biodiesel, where do you go with it?  Should
we expect the Exxon Station down the street to sell it, and a pump
right next to dino diesel?  Even if the station owner has his heart in
the right place and wants to help us, I question whether there
wouldn't be tremendously powerful forces at work preventing him from
doing that.  I haven't really investigated this at length, but I think
this partly explains why it took so long to build E-85 distribution
into the U.S. fuel distribution system.  In short over-simplification:
we're asking petro-sellers to sell the fuel of their competitor,
without them having much incentive to do so.  It has taken awhile to
figure out how to get that to happen.

>
>I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always made my
>stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
>start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.

Girl Mark's group was recently started to discuss some small-scale
biofuel business issues:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/

I tend to agree on initial gut reactions to the "MBA" acronym.


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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

[Ocbe, Emrah]

Hi,I am joining from Turkey.We plan to produce biodiesel in Turkey.Now we are 
working on making biodiesel from palm oil.We try sunflower and used oil.Can 
anyone give me more information making palm biodiesel.

-Original Message-
From: Kim Phung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:01 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business



Hi Eva,

We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking of making 
our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with amble supply of 
crude palm oil. We are currently studying various proposal using our feedstock 
as crude palm oil.

Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine. 

Thank you.

JP

,

Eva Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You bring up a good point. It's hard to 
find "green" business people, since
there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 

As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).

I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
wars to boot.

I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always made my
stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.


From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:49 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





> I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?   Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break

[Ryan Morgan]

Wow, Keith I am truly impressed with your ability to research.  I still
think you would enjoy the book.  Give it a go biobuddy!

Cheers,

Ryan
  -Original Message-
  From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:30 PM
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give
Me a Break


  Hello Ryan

  >Wow, have any of you read his book?  Has anyone on the list read it?  He
has
  >valid points, especially when it comes to risk aversion and the means we
go
  >to to save ourselves from miniscule threats.  His whole point is that the
  >number one factor that decides how long we will live is whether or not we
  >live in poverty, and makes a great case for how capitalism saves those
who
  >participate from poverty.  He talks about how government is getting too
big
  >in this country, about how much money that gets wasted as they fail time
  >after time after time.  He talks about how the private sector can do such
a
  >better job than the public sector of saving ourselves from ourselves.  He
  >even talks about ADM and their success in squashing competition by using
  >government subsidies on ethanol.  I encourage you to give it a read, it
may
  >be eye opening, totally changed my view on Nader too.

  :-) In which direction? ... a "fear-monger" who "screamed about
  everything" maybe?

  Now, what was it I said about young master Stossel?

  >  >>  Stossel's a liar and a cheat, just another industry front-man,
close
  >  >>  links with the usual suspects, no integrity.

  That's about right.

  First though, since you've read the book, how do you think Stossel
  would react to Peter Montague's two-part article on the Precautionary
  Principle that I just posted the second part of?
  http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34034/

  So, where to start? There's many megabytes of record on Stossel's
  lying. Start with the book I suppose. Stossel threw a launch party
  for the book - or rather Reason Magazine did. They're old friends,
  Stossel and Reason Magazine. Reason is a libertarian magazine
  published by the Reason Foundation. A favourite guest of Stossel's is
  "science writer" Michael Fumento, well-known for circulating
  misleading tobacco propaganda. He's worked for the Competitive
  Enterprise Institute and Consumer Alert, and Reason Magazine - all
  recipients of tobacco funding (especially from Phillip Morris), and
  he's now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, which also receives
  tobacco funding, among other things - more on them later. Check out
  the Reason Foundation's funding:
  http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Reason_Foundation

  And the Competitive Enterprise Institute, while we're at it - there's
  a lot about them in the archives too, Biofuel list members have had
  serious run-ins with the CEI in the past, NOT friends of biofuels!

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institut
e

  Note this bit (and see below, Case 1): "CEI has also worked to
  cultivate a relationship with John Stossel, the controversial
  correspondent for ABC-TV's 20/20 program. When Stossel came under
  fire in August 2000 for citing nonexistent scientific studies on a
  20/20 segment bashing organic foods, CEI set up a "Save John Stossel"
  website to help him keep his job. Stossel returned the favor..."

  Anyway, Greg Goldin wrote a piece on the book launch for LA Weekly:
  http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/11/a.php
  Stossel's Choirboys

  Stossel objected in a letter to the LA Weekly, denying a quote
  attributed to him, and rather strangely objecting to little else
  Goldin had said. This was the quote, quite well-known: "Years ago,
  when he quit exposing consumer rip-offs, he told a Federalist Society
  audience, 'I got sick of it. I also now make so much money, I just
  lost interest in saving a buck on a can of peas.'" Here's Stossel's
  objection, and Goldin's reply:
  http://laweekly.com/ink/04/14/letters.php
  Selective Memory

  Did he say it or not? For this and more, see what Russell Mokhiber
  and Robert Weissman have to say about it - editor of the Corporate
  Crime Reporter and editor of the Multinational Monitor, respectively:
  http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2004/000177.html

  No big deal? Maybe not, but read what Mokhiber and Weissman say
  before you decide. "... the reporter in question has a network
  television show that influences millions of Americans on the issue he
  cares about deeply -- protecting and preserving corporate power in
  America. And he has a book on the New York Times bestseller list
  defending his thesis. And he questions whether he said what we said
  he said. So, hear us out."

  Two other cases (there are plenty more!).

  1. "The Food You Eat" - Stossel and organic food

  http://www.commondreams.org/views/082100-103.htm
  Cultivating the Truth About Organics
  August 21, 2000, San Francisco Chronicle
  by Brian H

Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

[murdoch]

On Mon, 03 May 2004 15:32:47 -0400, you wrote:

>Sorry if that last email got sent...
>Anyway, Hello
>I'm currently a student (studying business) and I want to make some money with 
>biodiesel.  For starteers, I want to convince my school to run their diesel 
>fleet off bio.  However, i have absolutly no knowledge about setting up a 
>biodiesel business.  Has anybody done this? Either distribution or small-scale 
>manufacturing?
>Thanks,
>Tomas Novickas

In addition to what you may learn in this group, there is another
group recently set up by Girl Mark, a participant here, where
small-scale biodiesel business issues are discussed:

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RE: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems

[Ryan Morgan]

"[GIS is]Powerful stuff. I first saw that in action about 12 years ago when
a
very bright young Australian guy showed me what it was capable of, at
Friends of the Earth International's hq in London. Very impressive!
Moved on a lot since then eh?"

Yes it has, you need any bio data mapped, you let me know.  In the mean
time, those of you in the US may find our website interesting:

www.aerials-express.com

Type an address in and see the building from the air.

"I think it sounds brilliant! Where's the catch? No catch? Short of
evil aliens taking out a satellite or two while invading?"

No catch, though the price for a navigation system (built in to the vehicle)
is around $3,000.00.  For anyone interested, a Garmin I-Que PDA ($500.00)
will do the same thing.

Saludos,

Ryan


From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:57 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems


  Hi Ryan

  >Here's a brain storm for you:
  >
  >I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it
stands
  >for Geographic Information Systems.

  Powerful stuff. I first saw that in action about 12 years ago when a
  very bright young Australian guy showed me what it was capable of, at
  Friends of the Earth International's hq in London. Very impressive!
  Moved on a lot since then eh?

  >Essentially I make maps and use things
  >like aerial photography and GPS to do so.  Hanging out at my local map
store
  >on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper
about
  >his VW TDI and biodiesel.  He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he
  >thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO
required
  >two tanks and a switch.  I told him how the driver had to start on
  >dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before
  >turning the motor off.  We both agreed that this was too much to remember
  >for the driving masses, and bingo!  It hit me.  Why not hook the switch
to
  >an in-vehicle navigation system?
  >
  >Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do.  The driver gets in
  >the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile
away
  >from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically.
  >What do you think?

  I think it sounds brilliant! Where's the catch? No catch? Short of
  evil aliens taking out a satellite or two while invading?

  Best

  Keith


  >Cheers,
  >
  >Ryan



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Re: [biofuel] Re: How long does lye take to dissolve in methanol

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>>I finally took the step of making a test batch of biodiesel. At least I
>>have attempted to mix teh methoxide. I bought a bottle of HEET gas line
>>antifreeze which is reportedly of a high enough purity to use, and a jar
>>of red devil lye. I mixed about 7 grams of lye to a bit better than 300Ml
>>of Methanol. How long before I have useable methoxide? IO tried looking
>>at Keith's site, but apparently its down tonight or else my browser is
>>having trouble recognizing it. Can you all help me? Thanks!
>>J.D.
>
> Hello J.D.
>
> Our site was down, it's back now, sorry. See:
> Mixing the methoxide
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix
>
> ... and also I think other sections at the "Make your own biodiesel"
> pages. The full ToC is below.
>
> Couple of questions though.
>
> Are you using virgin oil for your first test batch? What quantity? If
> not virgin oil, what oil? (Best to start with virgin oil.)
>
> These measures seem strange:
>
>>of red devil lye. I mixed about 7 grams of lye to a bit better than 300Ml
>>of Methanol.
>
> 7 grams of lye would either be for two litres of virgin oil or for
> one litre of WVO titrating at 3.5ml. How did you weigh the lye? Two
> litres of virgin oil would take 400 ml of methanol, one litre of WVO
> would take 200 ml of methanol. Could you explain?
>
> These don't bode well J.D.: "about", "a bit better than". It really
> pays to try to be as precise and meticulous as possible, especially
> at the beginning. Later when you're more experienced and have a feel
> for it you'll know which short-cuts you can take wihout risk, or too
> much risk. At the beginning you're dealing with unknowns. If it
> doesn't work out as expected, knowing that you've done your best to
> be precise with measurements and process control will be a great help
> in trying to figure out what went wrong. Otherwise you'll be faced
> with too many variables and you'll flounder.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> Make your own biodiesel
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html
> Three choices
> 1. Mixing it
> 2. Straight vegetable oil
> 3. Biodiesel
> Biodiesel
> Where do I start?
> What's next?
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> Our first biodiesel
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> Biodiesel from waste oil
> Washing
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> How much methanol?
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> Basic titration
> Better titration
> Accurate measurements
> pH meters
> Phenolphthalein
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> Deacidifying WVO
> No titration?
> The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams?
> Mixing the methoxide
> Test batches
> Stock methoxide solution
> How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid?
> PET bottle mixers
> Viscosity testing
> How the process works
> What are Free Fatty Acids?
> Which method to use?
> Quality
> Quality testing
> Other uses
> Identifying plastics
> Separating glycerine/FFAs
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> I know I screwed up on my measurements, and that's probably why its too
soapy to use.  I did use virgin oil on this batch and probably will
again or some clean wvo. And I'll be more precise with my measurements. 
i think I used too much lye and that caused too much saponification. 
I'll let you all know how batch No 2 comes off tonight.
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[biofuel] Tim Castleman's Post

[Lyle Estill]

Tim,

I fundamentally agree with your conservation message, and your mantra 
of social responsibility and sustainability,
but I think questioning feedstock capacities at this point is a straw 
argument.

Saying we can't grow enough to meet our fuel needs is a little like 
saying we shouldn't make electricity from wind--after all, the wind 
doesn't always blow.

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[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

[Marc Orion Cardoso]

-
   Dear Kieth and lowell.

 We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of 
years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into 
algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to grow 
algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that 
would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of climatic 
and geographic  conditions in that, we succeeded... we have been 
growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research pond 
here at ecogenics center.. although we have been  producing ethanol 
and methane for many many years and were well aware of the potential 
of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had 
not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we  have now 
reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now 
prepared to enter a  new phase in our development program... that 
is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent 
production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon 
embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and 
after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel from 
those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that 
goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to  go slowly and 
deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one can 
see that we have touched  upon many areas of R&D over the years.we 
expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will 
successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the algae 
to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our 
progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from 
wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so 
we can do this...
Marc...




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> Hi Lowell
> 
> >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" which 
is U.S.
> >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want info 
on are
> >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which you 
and I call
> >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the 
microalgae search
> >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on this 
is under
> >program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 1985 
reports.
> >Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in 
Golden
> >CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from
> >Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to 
buy quite
> >a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some 
pretty
> >exotic. If you want to look at "houses" for your critters search 
on the net
> >for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and 
daughters
> >saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this one 
day when
> >I get some space out of the house but am more interested in 
finding cheap
> >sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck.
> 
> You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list 
> member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam but we 
> never heard any more about it. Another list member researched the 
> subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that it's a 
> waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not at a 
> doable small-scale level.
> 
> Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on the 
> subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of "Algae production for 
> food fuel and fertiliser", "algaeculture technology for oil 
> production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology", and 
> referred list members to his website for further information. 
> www.dabney.com/ecogenics/
> 
> I didn't find much information there, maybe I should have looked 
> harder. I saw some photographs that looked to me like water 
hyacinth 
> and duckweed, nice for greywater/blackwater treatment systems. I 
> guess there's something I'm missing. I'm not being sceptical, just 
> need more info I think. What's not clear to me is whether Marc has 
> actually succeeded in producing lipids from algae in usable form 
and 
> quantity. When last we heard Marc hadn't made any biodiesel yet but 
> would be doing so soon. I don't know if Marc has made yet biodiesel 
> from algae lipids. Can you tell us a bit more Marc?
> 
> Meanwhile, personally I take your view Lowell, cheap sources of oil 
> seeds are more interesting. There's huge and very largely 
unexplored 
> potential in oil-bearing plants, as well as in productive and 
> efficient ways of producing them. For instance, a quick search of 
> James Duke's Handbook of Energy Crops finds 62 legumes, both plants 
> and trees, either of which can be fitted to the cropping and 
growing 
> patterns on integrated sutainable farms in a variety of ways, 
perhaps 
> as cover crops, interplanted or undersown, for forage or green 

RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser

[Tan]

Thanks, Robert. I'll check JTF again. I'll fill you in once I finally get
around experimenting with the idea.

Regards,
chris


=>-Original Message-
=>From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=>Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:55 PM
=>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=>Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
=>
=>
=>
=>
=>Tan wrote:
=>
=>> Can anyone give me an opinion about this?
=>>
=>> Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the
=>alternator
=>> and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery?
=>
=>Most cars use engine vacuum to run the power brakes.  I have seen
=>vacuum pumps on diesel powered vehicles, but these are not that common
=>in the junkyards around here.
=>
=>As for alcohol recovery, I've never done this, so I can't comment.
=>Since this is the second time you've posted this message, I figured
=>somebody should say SOMETHING about it.  Have you checked the biodiesel
=>resource pages at Journey to Forever?
=>
=>robert luis rabello
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[biofuel] USDA Limits Green Payments, Is Accused of Skimping

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By Charles Abbott 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government will choose 3,000 to 5,000
farmers in several river drainage areas to receive the first "green
payments" for practicing environmentally friendly farming, Agriculture
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But an environmental group has criticized the plan, saying the program
should be open immediately to all producers. 


The Conservation Security Program was created by the 2002 farm subsidy
law to encourage care of the 1.5 million square miles of the nation's
"working" fields, ranges and woodlots. Most of the USDA's other
conservation programs pay farmers to idle fragile land. 


Regulations should be unveiled within weeks to launch the new
conservation program, said a spokeswoman for the USDA's Natural
Resources Conservation Service. 


A sign-up will be held this summer so farmers and ranchers can
volunteer for the program. It will start in a limited number of
high-priority watersheds and rotate over an eight-year period across
the country. 


Ferd Hoefner of the Sustainable Agriculture Coalition, an activist
group, said USDA was limiting access to a program that Congress wanted
open to all producers. 


"The administration is now declaring its intent to deny the country's
best conservation farmers the opportunity to participate ... unless
they are lucky enough to live in a selected watershed," Hoefner said.
"Their exclusionary approach is at odds with the law." 


With $41 million available for this fiscal year, only a small number
of contracts can be written, USDA said. There are 1.8 million farms in
the United States. 


"Watersheds are nature's boundaries and are a good way to group
together producers working on similar environmental issues," Veneman
said in a statement. 


Along with dividing the nation into watersheds, USDA said it would set
enrollment categories to identify the worthiest projects. The
categories will gauge each farm's current stewardship and willingness
to adopt additional conservation practices. 


Hoefner said the selection process was overly complicated because
Congress placed no limits on the new conservation program after this
fiscal year. The Bush administration, however, has requested $209
million for fiscal 2005 and Veneman said budget pressures may force a
new spending lid. 


Under USDA's criteria, the top category for cropland would go to land
already using a high number of conservation practices, with an
operator willing to apply two new techniques and ready to conduct
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RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser

[Tan]

Fred,
Actually, I have been contemplating on this for quite a long time. I have
been studying Dale Scroggin's processor which has a vacuum pump in it.
(http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html). His schematics
(http://home.swbell.net/scrof/procdraw.htm) indicate that the vacuum pump is
connected at the end of the vapor line--process tank, condenser, alcohol
trap then vacuum pump. But, my concern is since the pump is connected at the
end of the line, the alcohol trap is also subjected to vacuum and so
considerable alcohol will be re-vaporized and lost to the atmosphere. To
minimize alcohol lost, I am thinking that the vacuum pump must be situated
before the condenser--process tank, vacuum pump, condenser then liquid trap.
In this setup only the process tank is subjected to vacuum. The condenser
and the liquid trap would have a higher pressure, which is conducive to
condensation,  by constricting the liquid trap air outlet. A totally close
condenser system is, I think, close to impossible since the vapor other than
alcohol pumped from the processor must go somewhere. By the time gas reaches
the outlet, the alcohol should have been condensed due to lowered
temperature leaving us with just gas (other than alcohol). The velocity of
the gas will be diminished as it enters the liquid trap due to its bigger
cavity (Bernoulli's principle), thus there is less possibility that the
alcohol recovered will be re-vaporized and escape into the air.

How does this sound?

Regards,
Chris




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=>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
=>Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
=>
=>
=>Hi
=>I've been wrestling with this one for a while and I don't see an easy
=>answer.
=>I think:
=>  a vacuum pump is not what you need,  your condenser needs to empty
=>into a well, and since this needs to be a closed system so the alcohol
=>doesn't go evaporating off into the atmosphere.  You need to maintain a
=>level in the well with a positive displacement pump that is driven by a
=>control circuit which maintains a prescribed Temperature/vacuum
=>pressure at the top of the reactor/condenser,
=>
=>Fred
=>
=>On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 17:26 US/Eastern, Tan wrote:
=>
=>> Can anyone give me an opinion about this?
=>>
=>> Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the
=>> alternator
=>> and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery?
=>>
=>> Thanks,
=>> Chris
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Re: [biofuel] Orange Biodiesel?

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>On Tue, 04 May 2004 00:40:38 -0400 Kevin Shea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote.
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>
>
>While still a rookie, I've produced 6-7 liters using WVO.  My labor paid
off with a neutral pH and amber clear biodiesel.
>
>However, can certain WVO oils mixed together produce a different color
output?  For example I received approximate 5 gal peanut oil, 15 gal canola
and 1 gal of Soy Oil.that were donated to me from varies sources  (All are
WVO).  I simply poured the WVO in my WVO drum for future bioprocessing.
>
>Upon processing, I completed 3 batches of 17 liters.  I received good
separation.  After draining the biodiesel to a wash tank, I noticed that my
output was murky and orange in color.  I've washed the fuel twice and still
it's orange and murky (even though the wash water is clear)!
>
>I did a gentle shake test using about 6 oz "orange" to 6 0z of water and it
easily separated within minutes.  Later, I shook the same container
vigorously, no emulsions and good separation within minutes.
>
>I haven't tested the pH yet, but on the biases of the color I received, has
anyone had orange biodiesel?  It looks just like orange soda, but It smells
exactly as biodiesel?. The processing phase seemed normal.
>
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>Thank you, 
>Kevin Shea
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[biofuel] Journey to Forever website

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Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

[lowell sheffield]

A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" which is U.S. 
gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want  info on are 
called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which you and I call 
"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the microalgae search 
on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on this is under 
program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 1985 reports. 
Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in Golden 
CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from 
Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to buy quite 
a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some pretty 
exotic. If you want to  look at "houses" for your critters search on the net 
for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and daughters 
saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this one day when 
I get some space out of the house but am more interested in finding cheap 
sources of oil seeds.  Hope this helps. Good luck.

Lowell


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Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser

[dcande01]

Hi
I've been wrestling with this one for a while and I don't see an easy  
answer.
I think:
a vacuum pump is not what you need,  your condenser needs to empty  
into a well, and since this needs to be a closed system so the alcohol  
doesent go evaporating off into the atmosphere.  You need to maintain a  
level in the well with a positive displacement pump that is driven by a  
control circuit which maintains a prescribed Temperature/vacuum  
pressure at the top of the reactor/condenser,

Fred

On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 17:26 US/Eastern, Tan wrote:

> Can anyone give me an opinion about this?
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> Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the  
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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

[Kim Phung]

Hi Eva,

We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking of making 
our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with amble supply of 
crude palm oil. We are currently studying various proposal using our feedstock 
as crude palm oil.

Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine. 

Thank you.

JP

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Eva Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You bring up a good point. It's hard to 
find "green" business people, since
there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 

As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).

I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
business from taking off? Lack of "green" MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
wars to boot.

I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym "MBA" always made my
stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.


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> I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?   Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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RE: [biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d

[Darren Hill]

Steve,

Found your recommendation for changing injector tips(nozzles)
after 75,000 - 100,000 of interest.  I have found that atomisation
degradation is increased when using SVO.  I would expect that the
majority of diesel owners would not think to replace injectors until
they were having starting/performance problems.  

I have a 1989 VW Golf mk.II I was given that had issues
ticked over very rough.  We guessed low compression.  Still I decided to
pull an injector last week to see what they looked like.  Didn't look
very bad (as far as carbon build up my Mercedes injectors were far worse
when I pulled them), but putting it on the tester showed some dodgy
spray.  I replaced the full set with increased opening pressures (150
bar, standard should be 130) and low load/starting/tick over have
improved greatly - still sounds like one cylinder is slightly of kilter
at tick over - but one of the injector bodies is leaking, the sealing
surfaces need refacing where they have apparently eroded.

I'm interested in what you say about increasing injection
pressure for economy.  I pumped up the pressure for improved
starting/operation with SVO (although I'm currently running biodiesel -
or when I can't get it diesel).  The higher pressure should provide a
finer spray with the more viscous SVO.  I'm going to fit the heaters,
thicker fuel line and afterglow plugs/relay soon.

Can you tell more about the improved efficiency with higher
pressures? I've not heard of this before and I have done a fair amount
of research into such things.

Best

Darren Hill
 
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> 
SNIP
> Change the injector tips. after 75000 to 10 miles they dont
> atomize well.  I often shim or have the injectors shimmed to a higher
> pop off pressure.  Has been a while since I did this.. but seem like I
> increased the pressure 100 pounds over the original factory issue.  It
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Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *#

[Busyditch]

Eva
Thanks for your concern and insight. I, too, knew very little about b-d
until a few months ago. It started with an email from someone  in Australia
who started running their TDi on WVO (waste vegetable oil) and then the
wonderful discovery of the grass roots people around the world building
their own systems to convert WVO to b-d. I looked into kits to convert cars
to WVO dual tank systems, and then seriously started hunting for a TDi.
(found my 2000 Golf TDi with only 50 K)At this point I discovered JTF, and
have read a lot of interesting comments from list members. Yes, there were
front page stories in the Times, etc (links to follow) which did not make
any waves, obviously. Yes,the country needs to be informed that an
alternative isd here in front of their faces, and Bush should NOT put any
money into the super costly hydrogen cell technology.
But my frustration still lies in obtaining b-d. One list member offered for
me to come visit him upstate (near Oneonta) to see his conversion tank
system.(I live in NJ but  own a house in the Catskills) But my efforts to
obtain a 5 gal pail or 55 gal drum of b-d for me to mix into my own B20
(20%) is tough, because the shipping is almost as much as the product
itself. I CAN buy a tractor trailer load, but who has a tank to store that
much? Therefore the need to start-up a small distributorship here in the NY
area, maybe in an old gas station? I am seriously pursuing it. If your TDi
gets such good mileage, it wouldnt be so bad for someone to travel from, say
Queens or Brooklyn to north NJ where my station will be, I would even offer
to pay back tolls! If I could generate enough interest from this list, it
would be an incentive for me. Thanks again, and keep in touch. (are you also
in NY?)
-busyditch
Here is a cool list,if you browse around there are articles from various
media, plus super reviews of the TDi cars.
http://www.tdiclub.com/


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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *#


> I, too, would be interested in hearing about your efforts to start
biodiesel
> production in NYC. More from the perspective of another biodiesel newbie
> that is interested in production.
>
>
>
> I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most people are less
"enlightened"
> than the ones on this list, in that even if they do connect our political
> problems with oil, it does not occur to them that there are alternatives
> that are both environmentally and economically (key point!) more healthy.
> What's astonishing to me is how long biodiesel has been around versus how
> recently (I can count the weeks on two hands) I discovered its existence.
> Where are the press releases and ad campaigns? Definitely not on the front
> page.
>
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:32 AM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *#
>
>
>
> If you are able to follow through on this, or even if you are not able
> to do so, and find that it just takes the fire out of you, I for one
> will be extremely interested to read of your efforts, or of any
> further info you can pass on to us, about the NYC area.
>
> I am acquainted with the guy who runs NYCE wheels, the 2-wheeler EV
> seller on the upper east side.  But that's just an EV issue, not a
> biofuel issue.
>
> A couple of years ago I was in NYC and asked about the grocery store
> situation.  I realized that I never seemed to see large chain stores
> as I am accustomed to elsehwere.  I was told that, basically, the
> local stores had a strong push and were able to keep the area
> different from the chain-store-ization of elsewhere.  I am not saying
> "good" or "bad", I was just sort of wondering, and that's what I was
> told... as I kept in mind the amounts of food going into the city
> every day, and the amounts of waste exiting.
>
> There was a news story or two, a few years ago, about the issue of
> some restauraunt waste grease, that might otherwise have been turned
> into fuel, being put illegally into the sewer systems, and causing
> damage.  Apparently this was happening in a certain Chinese restaurant
> area more than in others?  I have not heard any further discussion of
> this.
>
> Manhattan is such a different area from others that I have been to,
> that I cannot begin to really understand it.  I never seem to see gas
> stations, yet there must be some, because there are certainly enough
> cars and taxis.  I think this is merely my perception, that I don't
> see any.  But at the same time, I'm guessing that it's highly
> regulated and that this is part of the reason for the lack of inroads
> by folks trying to do something different.
>
> After 9-11, I expected NYC people, of anyone, to make a connection
> between the issue of changing the sourcing of their fuel and fighting
> the war, or at least fighting whatever fight any individual citi

[biofuel] CENTRIFUGAL PURIFIER for auction

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Re: [biofuel] The Wealth of Nature

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Hi Keith:

Yes, Daly devotes an entire Chapter to Georgescu-Roegen's 
contributions, pioneering work in the field.

As for Adam Smith, I remember thinking, upon a quick look at some of 
the things he actually wrote, how he'd be spinning in his grave at the 
way his name is associated with some very ugly ideas that have grown 
much too large in our present day society.

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Re: [biofuel] Re: New producer in search of Methanol

[Steven Pfaff]

I'm a student at UW-Parkside in Kenosha WI. I'm actually in the southeast 
corner of the state.  We have a dragstrip not to far, Great Lakes Dragaway.  I 
might try there if I don't find anything in the Menards paint dept.  Thanks for 
the info guys, it's been a big help.  I've just recently learned of biodiesel 
and can't wait to start using it.  I'm sure I'll be picking your brains as I 
develop my technique.

Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Bazell Race Fuels in Ohio has various 
distributors throughout the 
midwest.  They have a website, and are pretty helpful.  The local 
dealer here in Indiana hasn't been too darn helpful, but the people 
in Ohio seem to be.

Whereabouts in Southease WI would you be located?  I spent a few 
years in Pewaukee and Tosa.  Hope to get back someday, but currently 
stuck in Indiana due to job situation.

Brian

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> 
>I would like to start producing biodiesel for myself but I'm 
> having a bit of trouble finding Methanol.  Could anyone advise 
where 
> I might look in or around the Southeast Wisconsin area?




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Re: [biofuel] The Wealth of Nature

[Keith Addison]

Hi Ed

>On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
>
>Herman Daly's book "Beyond Growth" was required reading in the 
>program  I was in a few years ago, for the course in Ecological 
>Economics (not  your typical course or program!, especially in '99).

I haven't read it. :-( But I've read a lot of excerpts and 
commentaries, as with the other eco-economists, and Georgescu. 
Reading books is slow stuff for me these days, a couple of minutes at 
a time tucked in here and there, a severe problem and I don't know 
what to do about it.

> It's very interesting reading..my copy kept me up late making 
>copious  notes in the margins! A real eye-opener.
>
>And, despite what we may think, Adam Smith did have a fairly strong 
>notion of the need to maintain the social fabric of society - more 
>than  he's given credit for. Too much selective quoting, and quoting 
>out of  context going on with his stuff, too often, I think...

So do I think. Often by people who don't seem to have read "The 
Wealth of Nations" (which I have read, ha!). It's amusing to imagine 
an argument between a reincarnated Adam Smith, given a few months to 
look around at today's world and another few months to recover from 
it, and say Milton Friedman. Or Alan Greenspan. Or any of their ilk. 
It certainly would be an argument. I'd put my money on Smith. I think 
he'd agree more with Daly et al. I don't think he'd like this, for 
instance:

"The Adam Smith Institute, the ultra-rightwing lobby group, now 
receives more money from Britain's Department for International 
Development (DfID) than Liberia or Somalia, two of the most desperate 
nations on Earth. ... The institute's purpose is to devise new means 
for corporations to grab the resources that belong to the public 
realm." [From another reference:] "The brains behind these stunts is 
Adam Smith International, the global consulting arm of the UK-based 
think tank. The money came from DFID, which in recent years has 
channelled more than a quarter of a million pounds of its allocation 
to Tanzania through Adam Smith International. The use of substantial 
sums of UK aid money in one of the world's poorest countries to swing 
the public behind a World Bank-led water privatisation may be 
surprising to UK taxpayers."

Also: "Vijay Vaitheeswaran of The Economist in his new book, 'Power 
to the People' joins others in saying, in essence, that what's really 
needed is a marriage between Adam Smith, the father of free markets, 
and Rachel Carson, the mother of the environmental movement." They're 
not incompatible, despite all the neo-liberal cant to the contrary. I 
think it largely amounts to the eco-economists, and Schumacher.

"GOING back two centuries, economists have worried about what Adam 
Smith described as the tendency of chieftains in a market system 'to 
deceive and even to oppress the public.'"

Yes, that's what he really said. Something else he really said: "Adam 
Smith commented in 1776 that the only trades that justified 
incorporation were banking, insurance, canal building and waterworks. 
He believed it was contrary to the public interest for any other 
businesses or trades to be incorporated and that all should be run as 
partnerships." I guess you could read "canal building" as "public 
transport". You certainly can't read "waterworks" as World 
Bank/Bechtel/Adam Smith Institute-style water privatisation. Smith 
also said: "It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all 
the wealth of the world was originally purchased." He said 
businessmen always yearn to escape from price competition through 
collusion.

This is an interesting piece, it makes your point:

http://reactor-core.org/betrayal-of-adam-smith.html
The Betrayal Of Adam Smith, by David C. Korten
Excerpt from "When Corporations Rule the World", 2nd Edition

"Smith strongly disliked both governments and corporations. He viewed 
government primarily as an instrument for extracting taxes to 
subsidize elites and intervening in the market to protect corporate 
monopolies. In his words, 'Civil government, so far as it is 
instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for 
the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some 
property against those who have none at all.'"

Korten's a good read, much influenced by the eco-economists. Compare 
this next bit from Korten with the quote from Tvo that I posted in 
the message that started this discussion, below:

"Smith believed the efficient market is composed of small, 
owner-managed enterprises located in the communities where the owners 
reside. Such owners normally share in the community's values and have 
a personal stake in the future of both the community and the 
enterprise. In the global corporate economy, footloose money moves 
across national borders at the speed of light, society's assets are 
entrusted to massive corporations lacking any local or national 
allegiance, and management is removed from real o

[biofuel] Re: Journey to Forever website

[Keith Addison]

>Sorry folks, our website's down, as some of you have noticed. We're
>having some DNS problems, we're working on it, it should be available
>again soon. Please bear with us. Apologies.
>
>Keith Addison
>Journey to Forever
>http://journeytoforever.org/

The site's back again now, should be throughout the network. Sorry about that.

Best wishes

Keith



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