[biofuel] Dutch biodiesel brewers
Question , where do you get your methanol and lye? (which brand lye) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Dutch biodiesel brewers
Hi Frag, Got my Lye at Boerenbond/Welkoop and my methanol at a farmacist the methanol I'm not sure about the purity it says nothing on the bottle. The lye is 99%. Good luck From: frag_lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Dutch biodiesel brewers Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:34:13 - Question , where do you get your methanol and lye? (which brand lye) _ Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dutch biodiesel brewers
Ik ken de situatie in Nederland niet wat dit soort winkels betreft, maar in Belgi kan je deze spullen gewoon bij de drogist kopen (waar ze schoonmaakproducten en een aantal chemicalin verkopen). Methanol kan je daar zo krijgen (probeer wel minstens 5 liter flessen te kopen want met 1 liter flesjes heb je wel erg dure methanol). Loog wordt verkocht in korrels (als ontstopper voor afvoerbuizen). Let wel op dat het om loogkorrels gaat en geen mengeling van loog met andere spullen. Yves. At 12:34 AM 7/12/2004 +, you wrote: Question , where do you get your methanol and lye? (which brand lye) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Zeolites
Thanks a lot. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Zeolites Pieter Koole wrote: Hello all, Can anyone tell me where I can buy zeolites to dry alcohol ? Could I use zeolites to dry the WVO, and re-use it ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands Hello Pieter, Zeolites have been extensively researched on the Biofuel and Distillers lists for drying alcohol. Try these searches: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=alcohol+dryinglis t=BIOFUEL http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=ethanol+dryinglis t=BIOFUEL http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=zeolitelist=BIOFU EL http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=alcohol+dryinglis t=DISTILLERS http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=zeolitelist=DISTI LLERS -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] washing biodiesel in large processor
Hi Todd, This mixing method you describe looks much easier than bubble washing or mist washing. What I intend to do is to use the pump from my reactor vessel to mix the biodiesel and water. Presumably this is ok? You emphasise that it is important that the reaction be fully complete. From what I have been reading on Journeytoforever it seems that the best way to ensure that is to use the correct amount of lye, i.e. 3.5 or 4 grams plus titration plus plenty of excess methanol. I intend doing my first large batch soon (50 litres). It titrates at 2.4 so I am going to use say 6.4 grams/litre of lye plus 25% methanol to ensure a complete reaction. I have read the journeytoforever advice on the different amounts of methanol to use for different oils but as I am going to recover the methanol I don't think it matters if I use too much. I presume most of the excess methanol will end up in the glycerine and not the biodiesel. I would appreciate your advice on this. Is there anything radically wrong with what I have proposed above? Regards, Dermot -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 July 2004 00:36 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] washing biodiesel in large processor Ardis, You will find, after enough experimentation and out of pocket costs, that mechanical agitation in a wash tank is the least expensive, consumes the least energy, requires the least amount of time and leaves you with a finished product as good as or better than mist- or bubble-washing. Plain, pure and simple, mist- and bubble-washing have become institutionalized amongst home-brewers primarily due to the frequency of incomplete reactions that lend to washing problems. In short, they are both methods of treating incomplete reactions with little kid's gloves in the hopes that any resulting emulsion won't be too bad or too noticeable. The fact of the matter is that no wash method should be used on any batch unless it is known for certain that the reaction has completed. Unfortunately, many people fail to guarantee this for themselves, opting to just go ahead and wash it gently. The method of guarantee is extremely simple. Put one ounce of what is believed to be finished fuel in a baby food jar (or similar) with an equal amount of water. Seal the jar and shake violently for 15 seconds. Completed fuel should begin to separate instantly and there should be two distinct layers in less than ~30 seconds. If it takes longer than this or if an emulsion layer forms any thicker than the normal paper thin interface layer between oil and water, you've got a batch that has not completed. The degree of incompletion can vary. If the fuel/water separate slowly but are by-and-large complete in a matter of 1-2 minutes and there is no emulsion layer other than the interface, there's no great need to retreat the reaction if the fuel is intended for personal use. If you have an emulsion beyond the thin interface layer the batch needs to be retreated. No amount of light mist- or bubble-washing can change this - unless, of course, you don't care what grade of fuel you run through your engine. The wash test and mechanical washing (motor, prop and shaft) work well no matter what method you use - acid/base or straight base, single or double stage. Some concern has been expressed in the past over the use of air to dry fuel, the concern being fuel oxidation. It's beyond me why those who express such concern (and rightfully so) don't say word one about bubble washing doing the exact same thing. Others express concern with pump- or prop-washed fuel not clearing as quickly as mist- or bubble-washed. There's sound reason for this, all things being equal. Pumps and propellers have the ability of better mixing the fuel and water (atomizing it), bringing both in more frequent contact with each other. This means greater surface to surface contact between water molecules and all suspended/dissolved impurities. Fifteen minutes with a 1/2 hp motor and 4 - 6 prop in a 200 gallon wash tank or bigger will achieve the same thing or more as an all-day-affair with a mist- or bubble-washer. This allows for hours of washing time to be converted to settling time, in turn hastening the entire wash process. Anyway, when all is said and done and no matter what wash method you choose, you'll best serve your own interests if you make sure that your reaction is complete before attempting any type of wash. All bubble- and mist-washing tend to do is offer brewers the opportunity to wash an incompletely reacted batch with one eye closed and sometimes the other eye squinted. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: ardis streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] washing biodiesel in large processor Hi,all ' I was wondering if anyone could tell me which way might be best for washing large batches of biodiesel??My
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ok Since I Stirred the Pot Some...
I agree with L. You will have to start your own activist group most likely. Most of America does not know about bio fuels yet. I encourage you to take a short ride to the Boston area the last week of July. You will likely find lots of people interested in learning about bio fuels. No one realizes how simply great this can be. Most people still think this is a pie in the sky dream. We will have to tell them different, and then SHOW them how easy and true this really is. Maybe some one has a small portable unit that they can take to Boston and show off. Jennifer - Original Message - From: bioveging To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ok Since I Stirred the Pot Some... Gustl, you hit the nail on the head.Don't wait for anyone, expect anything from anyone, and be prepared to be the only Martian on your block :), but keep an eye out for other martians as they are out there and you just might run into one or two or maybe not. Do it because you know it's right, and hold your head up high while at it. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Phil, Friday, 09 July, 2004, 17:45:36, you wrote: PD How about some ideas to get some activism going. Or to address the PD question in more understandable way, how does one become active in PD the biodiesel movement on a local level. I live in Pennsylvania and PD am in contact with a few folks who are making for their own use. PD Who should I be contacting to find out if there is a larger group of PD folks who are being vocal on a local and state level? Any ideas? Perhaps not much of an idea from me but it is all I have. Work on your own, expect nothing from anyone, talk as much as you can to as many people as you are able about biofuels, etc. Talk up the cooperative idea. Hide and watch. My experience has been, unfortunately, is that people are generally too busy to do it. For busy read apathetic or lazy. Be prepared to be patient and work on your own. Do not get discouraged. Sooner or later someone will realize what is what and you will find someone with like interests and values. If you start sounding your horn you might get others sounding theirs back. As far back as the late sixties and early seventies I used to listen to people complaining about the high price and poor quality of food. I got to talking with a bunch of people at lunch at work and told them what my monthly food bill came to. They all wanted to know where I shopped. When it turned out to be a food co-op and they found out that I baked my own bread and soaked my beans, etc. instead of eating from a can they lost interest. Too much effort. But they didn't stop complaining. In general peoples priorities are skewed. Get your biodiesel processor going and contact a local newspaper. Show them what you are doing. Advertise in local newspapers and magazines for like minded people. Talk to people at your workplace or church or whatever clubs or organizations to which you belong. You may hit the jackpot but be prepared to go it alone and to introduce one person at a time to biofuels. Whatever you do don't get discouraged or angry. Neither help. Just remember that if something catastrophic happens it will be people like us who will be sought out to help those who were too busy before. Some folks just have to take a blow to the head before they understand something. Not much help from me I am afraid. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT
Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor?
Hi Mark, If you think you may be all the way down here in Columbia, South Carolina, I would love to buy a bio fuel unit, and learn more about the entire process. That goes for any one who wants to travel down this way. July and August are yucky muggy hot dog days of summer, but September through November is wonderful. Jennifer - Original Message - From: rico suavae To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor? Hi girl mark.Its Paul again.I emailed your contact in Chicago.I'm waiting for a reply.One way or another we'll hook up.Do you have an ETA for the Chicago area of your trip?I want to be available for that time.Please let me know. Paul girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm traveling across country this month, 'by accident'- I really didn't intend to take this trip!, and I'll be going from DC to Maine and then back to California, taking Interstate 80 back. My partner and I are driving a couple of vans back here which he and another friend had purchased on eBay (it's a bit difficult to find a cheap diesel van in California these days), and I got drafted to help get one of the vehicles running. ANyway, this July trip is somewhat of an accident, and cuts into my planning for my 'real' biodiesel class tour at the end of the summer/fall (details coming up shortly). In my quest to fund the fall class tour, and since I'll be missing work to do this July thing, I'm once again offering to build biodiesel processors for people along the route of my trip (same offer applies to my travels in the fall): The processors would be the water heater-based Biodiesel Appleseed reactors from www.veggieavenger.com/media , which in general I encourage you all to build yourselves (it's easy). However if you want a processor built for you, and you are 'along the way' of the route of my July trip, I'll build you one for the cost of parts and $200 for labor, which will go into funding my August-November biodiesel class tour (ie taking my own vehicle, a reactor and a bunch of other gear on the road from August through November and teaching classes). The total cost for these units including my labor charge is either $380 or $580 depending on whether you can find a free used electric water heater or whether you have to buy a brand new one (they're about $200 usually). If you can find a closed-head barrel somewhere, I'll throw in a wash tank for the same cost. I'll be putting together a list of the fall classes tonight and emailing it out. Some of those class dates are also for 'equipment building' classes, which are opportunities for participants to build their own reactor. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the
[biofuel] FW: [Progressive Caucuses] Progessives Unite at Democracy Fest!
Dear members, Jennifer R. Doty has forwarded this email to you with the following message: Hi again all, here is some more info on the progressive summit, and progressive activities, and Democracy Fest, going on in and around Boston the last week of July. Attend, share thoughts and ideas, spread the word about biofuels, and have fun! Subscribe me! http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/d.jsp?p=oom=1011273706014[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please Note: You have NOT been added to any email lists. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Progessives Unite at Democracy Fest! July 07, 2004 Dear Jennifer, Progressive Vote is working at the grassroots level to unite the many progressive groups. Many of us have come forward as a progressive activist from the Dean and Kucinich campaigns of 2004 and the Nader 2000 campaign. We are forwarding information on activities in which these unity events are taking place. Progressive Vote is proud to be a part of DemocracyFest. On July 24-25, 2004, DemocracyFest will be held at the Butternut Basin Ski resort in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. Attendees can camp in this picturesque setting-only an hour and a half from Bradley International Airport, Connecticut, and two hours away from Boston, Massachusetts. ~ About the Fest The festival is designed to unite progressive-minded people, improve their political knowledge, celebrate the historic Dean campaign, and plan for our future. This will all be accomplished through motivational speakers, informative workshops, and great entertainment. Our keynote speaker is Gov. Howard Dean, MD. National and regional acts are also donating their talents. Acts speakers are being added often at www.myvoteismyvoice.com (click Deanfest 2004 button). If you want to help make this a successful event, contact Charlene Johnston, My Vote is My Voice, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discuss this event here (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=qlhxi8n6.0.g9qpj8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.progressivevote.org%2Findex.php%3Fp%3D26) ~ This is an opportunity to network and unite our Progressive Communities. This is a powerful time in history for the Progressive Grassroots! We have come from different Campaigns, we have come from different walks of life, but our common threads are our Passion for Building a Better America and our Determination to Unite and Create a Progressive Chain that will Break the Barriers that Divide! We will see you at the Fest! Peace, ~ Pam Paul Progressive Vote, Grassroots For America, and Oklahoma Grassroots ~ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.grassrootsforamerica.us --- This email was forwarded to biofuel@yahoogroups.com, by Jennifer R. Doty. Privacy Policy http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] FW: Progressives Converge in Boston
Dear members, Jennifer R. Doty has forwarded this email to you with the following message: Hi all, here is some info on the progressive summit, and progressive activities, and Democracy Fest, going on in and around Boston the last week of July. Attend, share thoughts and ideas, spread the word about biofuels, and have fun! Subscribe me! http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/d.jsp?p=oom=1011273706014[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please Note: You have NOT been added to any email lists. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Participate in Progressive Unity - Come to Boston! You're Invited! Dear Jennifer, Progressive Vote and Progressive Democrats of America are joining with various social justice groups and organizations to coordinate diverse events around different themes and issues not currently reflected in the Democratic Party. There will be workshops, speakers, and street actions intended to raise awareness. Workshops will promote dialogue amongst delegates and activists. Street actions will target MA-based issues (and sites), drawing connections to national and international issues. On Wednesday Thursday, the week's events will culminate in a Progressive Summit to dialogue and organize with activists about how to develop a stronger Progressive Movement; and a Progressive Democrats Convention, which will determine how to continue the work of the progressive state campaigns (Dean, Kucinich, Nader, etc) under a broad umbrella to form an ongoing progressive campaign inside the Democratic Party. ~ Progressives Converge in Boston Finding accommodations in Boston during the Democratic National Convention is certain to be very difficult. However, Progressive Vote would like to help. In addition we would like to give you the option for housing during the events prior to the Convention. The Boston Social Forum and the Progressive Democratic Summit will also take place during this week. Thousands of Progressives will converge in Boston for these events, and rumors have it, Boston is sold out! Not for us! We reserved a limited number of beds for our activists. Spaces are limited, so get yours today! Reserving your room is quick and easy on our website. See below. DATE: July 23rd - 29th LOCATION: Boston, MA MORE: Beds Available! Book your room now: (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.sx5ta8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fprogressivevote.org%2Fboston-rooms.php) ~ Events Details The Boston Social Forum July 23-25 (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) Details (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.qx5ta8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bostonsocialforum.org%2Fnews.php) --- Veterans Address the Nation July 23 (Friday evening) Details (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.rx5ta8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veteransforpeace.org%2F) --- Events for Progressives During the Convention Monday - Thursday, July 26-29 * Day 1, Monday: Workshop on Civil Liberties, Civil Rights, Justice * Day 2, Tuesday: Workshops on Department of Peace Universal Single-Payer Health Care * Day 3, Wednesday: Building Progressive Alliances - Empowering the base, Targeting issues, Working for change * Day 4, Thursday: Moving Forward from Boston Creating Change from Within the Party Details (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.akpe49n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.progressivevote.org%2Findex.php%3Fp%3D10) ~ Quick Links... * Reserve your rooms today (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.sx5ta8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fprogressivevote.org%2Fboston-rooms.php) * Who we are (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.ckhk69n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fprogressivevote.org%2Fabout.php) * Progressive Caucuses (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.ikhk69n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fprogressivevote.org%2Fcaucuses.php) * More About Us (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.tdmin9n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.progressivevote.org) ~ We expect thousands of progressives to unite in Boston, and all looking for rooms. We have priced these rooms for affordability. The rooms are just down the road from the Activities. Rooms wont last long, so please reserve your room today (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dgr649n6.0.sx5ta8n6.5qkyj9n6.13760p=http%3A%2F%2Fprogressivevote.org%2Fboston-rooms.php)! Sincerely, ~ Kevin Spidel Progressive Vote email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (877) 368-9221 web: http://www.progressivevote.org
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
That sounds great. Sounds like you are a good man for this job! Do you have a portable unit you could demonstrate on? Make some fuel in front of their eyes, then pour it straight into a diesel truck, and drive it around in front of them. Then there can be no question or doubt. That may be to much to try to do, or take to long but it would be awesome! People would not stop talking about it, and that's the idea. Get them talking, interested, amazed, and convinced; bio fuels are an answer to our fuel and energy problems. Thank you, Jennifer - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking. Dear Jennifer et al. I'll bite. I've been making biodiesel for three years, I'm well into my second back porch refinery, and I've addressed a number of large groups--DOE conferences on down. I'm on my way to NBB next week in D.C., and I have done some legislative work on biodiesel in North Carolina. As for Berkley having the corner (can't say I haven't learned a lot from those folks), at Piedmont Biofuels we have three people who are overwhelmed by education and outreach activities at this point. Can travel. On Jul 9, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Isn't someone going to take Jennifer up on her suggestion? We have members around Boston, or within reach of it. Good opportunity. (Welcome, Jennifer!) Best wishes Keith Hello Phil, Martin, and the rest of bio fuel members. I am new to the group, and I just recently learned about bio fuels myself. I know I have already told a dozen or so folks about them as well. I have not gotten the two headed look, but most people are skeptical of what they don't know. It's like they don't want to believe something could be so simple. I am quick to tell them that Big Business, and our own government, are the main reason's no one knows about this. That alone gets half the people I know interested then it is not just a bunch of PhD's dreaming, it is a reality and a conspiracy. For some reason this makes bio fuels more creditable to most people I talk to. I am not an authority or expert, but I would like to learn more. I think the rest of the U.S. would like to know also. The last weekend of July many progressive, forward thinking, intelligent people will be converging in and around Boston. This will be a prime opportunity to tell others about bio fuels. I mentioned it to a few event leaders, and they were wanting some people to give a talk or discussion. The Progressive Summit will be the week before the DNC Convention in Boston. Kevin Spidel was wanting to know if some one would be interested in addressing the group, and also the Democracy Fest 2004 will be the same weekend, about two hours from Boston, Jessica Falker is the main organizer of that event. They are still looking for forward thinking activist to enlighten the crowds. I am not qualified to discuss what I am just beginning to learn about, but I am trying to spark interest in others, and trying to learn more myself. If you think you could give a presentation at either event please let me know. Or just go down for the weekend, have some fun, and talk to as many people as you can. I'll attach a copy of an email I have been sending out to people I know, in case you are interested, or in case you can enlighten me more. P.S. sorry my first post is so long, promise I won't do this often. --- Jennifer Doty Hello All, I read a recent article about energy independence. I am very glad to see some people touching on this subject. I would like to see more in-depth articles, that really show the citizens of the U.S. how screwed up our current administration is. For a long time we have known about the green house effect, the poisons we are putting into our environment, and the face that we will be running out of Oil world wide. What I don't understand is why so many of us think that there is nothing simple we can do about it. Very few people in America know that we can produce clean fuels, that will power our cars with almost no change to our current engines and fuel systems. I did not know until I got into a discussion with my father. We don't need to buy expensive hybrid cars, and we don't need fossil fuels. I think that this information is deliberately not being talked about, because then George W. would loose all remaining support for his war with Iraq, and would stand to loose a few billion himself. This needs to be brought out and discussed. The Democracy Festival 2004 (Deanfest), and the Democratic Convention will be a good place to start discussing this with lots of other like minded,
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ok Since I Stirred the Pot Some...
Jennifer Doty wrote: I agree with L. You will have to start your own activist group most likely. Most of America does not know about bio fuels yet. Speaking of spreading the word. http://www.cafeshops.com/renewablewear Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A Good Example
I was cruising around for Canadian biodiesel sites (especially in the Vancouver area), and I found this one; http://www.eya.ca/biodiesel/ I found it especially interesting because the company I work for (Methanex) donates methanol to this project (and I didn't even know it!) I find it nice that there is project close to home that is working well. Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Integrated processing of lignocellulosic biomass!
I have done Phd work (1978-1982), pilotplant designed , now constructed. at IIT Delhi, based on my laboratory work on catalytic low temperature(120)acidos , alkalineetanol e water delignification process leading to good seperation of celulose , hemicelluso e lignin and very high enzymatic hydrolysis of treated fibers. Biomass ethanol with this process has great role to play in the next few years together with biodeisel.I will be very glad to s«hare the process details for decentralised biofuel process developments sd Pannirselvam .P.V Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Hans Acid Catalyzed Organosolv Saccharification (ACOS). This unique, high pressure, high temperature, closed loop, pulping process has been developed and patented by chemist Dr. Laszlo Paszner (Paszner Technologies, Inc., of Surrey, B.C.) of the University of British Columbia. Although it is adaptable to Alaskan species, both hardwoods and softwoods, the process has yet to be proved commercial for the Alaskan environment. Or for any environment I believe. Paszner and ACOS have been discussed here before. See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=Pasznertime=allusert ime=2002-12-31 See also: Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#woodeth Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
