[biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
You haven't seen it. The value in this bus is the inside which is wonderful and has been worked on for years. There must be a diesel engine that will bolt right up to the drive line and not need custom motor mounts, no? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will not be worthwhile. Sell it and get a diesel vehicle. Edward Beggs On Jul 17, 2004, at 7:48 AM, Joshua wrote: Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Dutch biodiesel forums
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello frag_lag Any around? (If not , i got one up and running) Good luck with it. I hope you'll share what goes on there who what goes on here, where relevant, and the other way round. Best wishes Keith I will, temporary url is www.fraggie.com does online on sunday Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
Hi, I have done many engine swaps, and you will need more than the engine to make everything work. I would look for a GMC or Chevy light truck with a diesel engine in a salvage yard. Although, I think one might be hard to find. That way atleast you would have the parts to make the engine run. I should also point out that there may still be the need for some fabrication. At one time there was a lot of GM cars in salvage yards that had diesel in them, but I think they stopped making them in 83-84. So, they maybe hard to find now too. Plus I am not sure if they would have the power you would need for a bus. Also, I would assume that the engine that is in the bus now has a chevy bell housing. The ones they used in cars had a B-O-P Bell, and would at the very least require the bell housing to be changed. So, the ones from a truck would probably be much better. Well, that's my 2 cents! I hope this information is helpful. -Al On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Joshua wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:38:55 - From: Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus? Thank you for your response. Of course we could somehow get just about any engine to fit, but what could we get in there that we wouldn't have to get custom motor-mounts for and what will the drive line fit snugly? So far, it's looking like a Detroit Diesel is the best bet, no? Thanks, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Coral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U can get almost anything on the market in there u name it: caterpillar, cummins, international or (of course) detroit diesel. I'd recommend a DD common rail computer managed. However, there's plenty of school buses diesel fitted as stock so, it'd be easy to figure what would fit yours best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SCHOOL BUS
What size chasse is the bus?If one ton,you can put in a 5.9 cummins out of a dodge without much trouble and it is a far superior engine to what ford or gm offered in their pickups.If your bus is on a two ton undercarriage,you have more options because you have more space and probably will need more torque than the earlier 5.9 engines had.Another route may be mating a 472-500 cadillac or big buick to a multi-speed trans.These gas engines in 1970 versions put out 510 lb.ft. torque at nearly idle and got much better mileage than chevy engines;they did not break and they are still setting around with not too much mileage after the power seats and power windows quit;if you can get a turbo somewhere cheap,you can get 800 lb.ft. torque or more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BUS GAME
Any diesel engine will be much heavier than the gm gas unit.The mount supports may be the same but not the mounts.Driveshaft must be shortened-lengthened with right yoke welded on shaft for whichever tranny you use.If you are not mechanical,do trade it off.Big BUICK engines in the 70.s would drop right in any chevy car ,truck,whatever;mounts and all;cadillac was more trouble.Detroits are noisy:cummins quietiest of all big diesels [i know from experience] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming
What are the fossil fuel inputs of building and running a nuclear power plant (including waste management)? Well..., for starters, one of the filthiest coal fired plants in the world is just south of here - dedicated strictly to the processing of enriched fuel for nuclear power and weapons industries. That's not exactly carbon neutral. But the nuclear power industry seems to forget little nuances such as inputs. Which, of course, is all well and fine when the entire industry is so heavily subsidized that it would instantaneously go belly up and bankrupt if it were to attempt to stand on its own two legs. Take away the subsidies and solar photovoltaic would look like a bargain basement sale in comparison. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming This yarn is a few weeks old, but then the spin it's debunking is also getting a little old. I don't think this is right: Unlike fossil fuels, nuclear power emits no carbon dioxide, the main cause of climate change. On the surface of it perhaps, but I think the nuclear industry doesn't get to exist without fossil fuels. What are the fossil fuel inputs of building and running a nuclear power plant (including waste management)? Debunking A Lot Of Hot Air http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=535576 The International Atomic Energy Agency, which promotes nuclear power, concluded that even under the most favourable circumstances, nuclear power wouldn't slow global warming. An IAEA report predicted that global warming would decrease more if no new [nuclear plants were] built beyond those already planned, because the world would have to be so prosperous to afford a significant increase in nuclear plants that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels would have grown even faster. The IAEA's findings undercut the Nuclear Energy Institute's claims that nuclear energy ... helps to keep the air clean, preserve the Earth's climate, avoid ground-level ozone formation and prevent acid rain. SOURCE: The Independent (UK), June 27, 2004 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0626-05.htm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=535576 Nuclear power 'can't stop climate change' By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor 27 June 2004 Nuclear power cannot solve global warming, the international body set up to promote atomic energy admits today. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which exists to spread the peaceful use of the atom, reveals in a new report that it could not grow fast enough over the next decades to slow climate change - even under the most favorable circumstances. The report - published to celebrate yesterday's 50th anniversary of nuclear power - contradicts a recent surge of support for the atom as the answer to global warming. That surge was provoked by an article in The Independent last month by Professor James Lovelock - the creator of the Gaia theory - who said that only a massive expansion of nuclear power as the world's main energy source could prevent climate change overwhelming the globe. Professor Lovelock, a long-time nuclear supporter, wrote: Civilization is in imminent danger and has to use nuclear - the one safe, available, energy source - now or suffer the pain soon to be inflicted by our outraged planet. His comments were backed by Sir Bernard Ingham, Lady Thatcher's former PR chief, and other commentators, but have now been rebutted by the most authoritative organization on the matter. Unlike fossil fuels, nuclear power emits no carbon dioxide, the main cause of climate change. However, it has long been in decline in the face of rising public opposition and increasing reluctance of governments and utilities to finance its enormous construction costs. No new atomic power station has been ordered in the US for a quarter of a century, and only one is being built in Western Europe - in Finland. Meanwhile, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Sweden have all pledged to phase out existing plants. The IAEA report considers two scenarios. In the first, nuclear energy continues to decline, with no new stations built beyond those already planned. Its share of world electricity - and thus its relative contribution to fighting global warming - drops from its current 16 per cent to 12 per cent by 2030. Surprisingly, it made an even smaller relative contribution to combating climate change under the IAEA's most favorable scenario, seeing nuclear power grow by 70 per cent over the next 25 years. This is because the world would have to be so prosperous to afford the expansions that traditional ways of generating electricity from fossil fuels would have grown even faster. Climate change would doom the planet before nuclear power could save it. Alan
[biofuel] Re: SCHOOL BUS
Without much trouble, huh? Well, will the motor mounts match up? When we put in a tranny that matches that engine will the drive fit? I'm looking for which DIESEL engine will be LEAST trouble to put in. I would have thought that a GMC (Detroit) Diesel engine would be the most likely candidate, being made by the same company and all. As for chassis, school buses have what, like 5 ton suspentions? It's not a truck, although perhaps a truck engine would work great... power is not the big concern in a hippie school bus. ;) Cheers, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What size chasse is the bus?If one ton,you can put in a 5.9 cummins out of a dodge without much trouble and it is a far superior engine to what ford or gm offered in their pickups.If your bus is on a two ton undercarriage,you have more options because you have more space and probably will need more torque than the earlier 5.9 engines had.Another route may be mating a 472-500 cadillac or big buick to a multi-speed trans.These gas engines in 1970 versions put out 510 lb.ft. torque at nearly idle and got much better mileage than chevy engines;they did not break and they are still setting around with not too much mileage after the power seats and power windows quit;if you can get a turbo somewhere cheap,you can get 800 lb.ft. torque or more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to the group
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I recently joined the group. I have been making biodiesel for about one year, have some formal training in chemistry and some automotive mechanical experience as a shadetree mechanic. Currently I am running a little experiment using bypass filtration and synthetic oil (using professional oil analysis) in my biodiesel powered vehicles. I am not changing the crankcase oil until it does not meet specs. This is important because synthetic oil improves fuel economy and takes a lot of used motor oil out of the waste stream. Potentially synthetic oil could last over 100,000 miles but I am unaware of any studies on vehicles running neat biodiesel. This topic may have been covered previously so I will end..here. We have talked about this before, but I don't think anyone has posted any hard data. (Is there any actual data out there?) Please tell us more about your experiment. What process are you using for your biodiesel? What kind of engine is it being used in? How long had the engine been operating before you began the experiment, and what kind of condition was it in when you began checking the quality of your oil? This is a topic of interest to many people on the list. Welcome aboard! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Canada - Kyoto's here to stay
Stop whining, Kyoto's here to stay, so learn to love emissions trading By ERIC REGULY Thursday, Jul 15, 2004 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040715/RREGULY15/TPBusiness/Columnists You gotta love EnCana boss Gwyn Morgan. The self-appointed head of the anti-Kyoto Protocol lynch mob is still at it. While he's no longer saying Canada's entry into Kyoto will vaporize hundreds of thousands of oil and gas jobs, he praised the Conservatives' commitment to kill the climate-change accord. The scientific agenda to support Kyoto, he said in a recent speech, is based on the deliberate manipulation of fact. Debate is healthy and to be encouraged, but it looks like Mr. Morgan's campaign to keep North America a Kyoto-free zone -- George W. Bush wants no part of it -- is running out of momentum. In Canada, Kyoto is coming and the federal negotiators are reporting good progress in obtaining agreements on greenhouse gas emission caps and trading schemes from a broad range of industries. And yes, the oil and gas industry is among them. They're not fighting it any more, a government negotiator, one of about three dozen at Natural Resources Canada, said yesterday. In the European Union, meanwhile, Kyoto is already part of the political and economic landscape. The next big development comes early next year, when the EU countries are to join the mandatory Emissions Trading Scheme, or ETS. In simple terms, the ETS will cap the emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. Companies, such as electricity producers, that exceed the target will have two choices. They can buy carbon credits on the market or install the technology and conservation measures (like turning off the lights) to get them below the target. Companies that are under the target can make a profit by selling surplus credits on an exchange. Banks and other financial intermediaries are naturally great fans of ETS because it gives them a brand new commodity -- carbon dioxide -- that can be bought, sold, financed and otherwise traded like so much wheat or coal. The day will come, no doubt, when some sleazoid trader will get nailed for carbon-credit insider trading. The ETS system will probably create sheer chaos in the early days, because so many industries in so many countries are involved, and only half a year is left to get prepared. All of the countries move at different economic speeds. Britain, a relatively mature economy, actually wants to reduce its emissions by a greater amount than is required. Italy thinks it should be given a few years leeway because it moved up the industrial food chain later than Britain -- that is, its greenhouse gas emissions are climbing faster than Britain's -- and doesn't want to be penalized for it. And so on. Canada is moving in the EU's direction, but, being Canada, it's doing so more slowly. This is not a bad thing. The slower pace will allow the big greenhouse gas emitters, dominated by the petroleum, power generating and manufacturing sectors, more time to build consensus with the government and develop a glitch-free trading system. The goal is fairly modest -- a 15-per-cent reduction in emissions by about 2010. This is not a real reduction, but a reduction in what the emissions would otherwise have been, absent Kyoto, by that date. Nonetheless, remarkable progress is being made, government and industry officials involved in the Kyoto file say. A federal-provincial agreement on measuring and registering the amount of greenhouse gas emissions is already in place. Statistics Canada will administer this program. The forestry industry has an emissions agreement with the government and the oil and gas industry is working on one. Talks with the electricity generators, most of which, like Ontario Power Generation, are owned by the provinces, are more complicated. Ontario, for instance, wants to close all of its coal-burning electricity plants by 2007. Doing so would substantially reduce the carbon dioxide output of the whole country. Ontario, though, wants some sort of payback for doing the heavy lifting on the emissions front. Legislation governing the framework for regulated emissions could go to Cabinet by early next year. There is little doubt it will be passed in some form because the New Democratic Party and the Bloc Qubcois, either of which could shorten the life expectancy of the minority Liberal government, are Kyoto supporters. By 2008, the emissions trading system should be running. There is even talk of developing a transatlantic trading scheme, in which Canadian carbon credits could be traded in the EU and vice versa. Anyone who doubts a trading system like this can work need only look at the sulphur dioxide market in the United States. A creature of the Clean Air Act, it has been in operation since 1993 and is the main weapon in the war against acid rain. The trading system
[biofuel] Canada - Burying CO2
Project successful in burying greenhouse gas By Phoebe Dey www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040627223647.htm http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/expressnews/articles/news.cfm?p_ID=5906s=0 June 25, 2004 - A new approach that is one of the first to successfully store carbon dioxide underground may have huge implications for global warming and the oil industry, says a University of Alberta researcher. Dr. Ben Rostron is part of an extensive team working on the $28 million International Energy Agency Weyburn CO2 Monitoring and Storage Project--the largest of its kind--that has safely buried the greenhouse gas and reduced emissions from entering the atmosphere. ãItâs one thing to say that underground is a great place to store carbon dioxide, but itâs another thing to be able to prove it as we have done,ä said Rostron, from the U of Aâs Faculty of Science and a co-author on a paper appearing today in GSA Today, a journal published by the Geological Society of America. ãWe have been able to show that you can safely capture carbon dioxide that would otherwise go back into the atmosphere, and put it back into the ground. Itâs very exciting work.ä Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Its concentrations have increased as a result of human activity, such as burning coal, oil, natural gas and organic matter. CO2 emissions have been linked to global warming, and there has been a worldwide effort to reduce those emissions and their effects on the planet. The efforts in the Weyburn project are one way for Canada to meet targets under the Kyoto Protocol, for example. Carbon dioxide sequestration is being evaluated internationally as a viable means of long-term storage. Rostron is part of the project started in 2000 to investigate the technical and economic feasibility of storing the gas in a partially depleted oil reservoir in Saskatchewan. The researchers are working with Encana Corporation on their 30-year commercial carbon dioxide enhanced oil recovery operation, which is designed to recover an incremental 130 million barrels of oil from the Weyburn field in Saskatchewan. The gas comes from the United States, where it is compressed and sent through a pipeline to the Weyburn field. There, Encana injects it into the reservoir and the results are observed by the project scientists and stakeholders--including regulatory agencies and government officials. More than 1.9 billion cubic metres have been injected so far. Not only has the project demonstrated one way for the industry to economically reduce carbon dioxide emissions that would have otherwise gone into the atmosphere, but it allows the oil industry to pump carbon dioxide into its wells and produce extra oil, said Rostron. The work also demonstrates that geological sequestration can be successful, enabling wider application in other parts of the country and the world, he added. ãThe oil companies have seen incremental production close to what they predicted and from the cientistsâ point-of-view, weâve been able to see a response to our techniques and been able to monitor it very, very closely,ä said Rostron, the hydrogeology co-ordinator on the project. ãEverything weâve done has shown us this is a good place to store carbon dioxide. ãCountries around the world are spending millions to investigate this same technique and weâve been able to do it with success.ä The project is co-ordinated by the Petroleum Technology Research Centre and is sponsored by Natural Resources Canada, the U.S. Department of Energy, Alberta Energy Research Institute, Saskatchewan Industry and Resources, the European Community, and 10 industrial sponsors. Research is being conducted by universities, industry, federal and provincial government agencies in North America and Europe. Related links ö internal Dr. Ben Rostronâs U of A webpage: http://easweb.eas.ualberta.ca/department/people/personfound.cfm?personid=Rostbchoosedirectory=A The U of A Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences website: http://www.ualberta.ca/EAS/ Related link ö external GSA Today website: http://www.geosociety.org/pubs/gsatoday/toc0407.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use
[biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming
Thank you gentlemen. These also maybe of interest from The Center for Public Integrity Investigative Journalism in the Public Interest The Politics of Oil How one of the world's richest industries influences government and policy. http://publicintegrity.org/oil/ WASHINGTON, July 15, 2004 - Big Oil Protects its Interests Industry spends hundreds of millions on lobbying, elections - Gimme Shelter (From Taxes) U.S. oil and gas companies have 882 subsidiaries in tax haven countries - Koch's Low Profile Belies Political Power Private oil company does both business and politics with the shades drawn - A Pipeline of Influence Even before he became VP, Dick Cheney and Bush fundraisers were crafting national energy policy - Big Oil Spends $400,000 on Government Junkets Legislators taken to NASCAR races, Wildcatters Ball bioveging wrote: The Council on Foreign Relations is a creation of the Rockerfeller family for the purpose of influencing and directing US foreign policy. Gary Allen's The Rockerfeller File on-line: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/index.html#metatop Read it and then very little will need to be questioned about motive. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Controlled, sir, is the key word. Think about what they've controlled thus far. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: [biofuel] Big Oil on Global Warming If big oil companies say global warming can be controlled, why not urge them on? A warm welcome to the attitude change on global climate change By ERIC REGULY Thursday, July 8, 2004 - Page B2 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040708/RREGUL08/TPBusiness/TopStories Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SCHOOL BUS
You might want to look into a Detroit series 60 engine. They are not recommended for buses in general because they are essentially a big truck motor and a little more noisy, but the noise factor is really the only consideration when they state that they are recommended. The Detroit series 60 is a very good motor, many highway buses use them as well as a good many trucks. Might be worth having a look around for one, just a thought. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without much trouble, huh? Well, will the motor mounts match up? When we put in a tranny that matches that engine will the drive fit? I'm looking for which DIESEL engine will be LEAST trouble to put in. I would have thought that a GMC (Detroit) Diesel engine would be the most likely candidate, being made by the same company and all. As for chassis, school buses have what, like 5 ton suspentions? It's not a truck, although perhaps a truck engine would work great... power is not the big concern in a hippie school bus. ;) Cheers, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What size chasse is the bus?If one ton,you can put in a 5.9 cummins out of a dodge without much trouble and it is a far superior engine to what ford or gm offered in their pickups.If your bus is on a two ton undercarriage,you have more options because you have more space and probably will need more torque than the earlier 5.9 engines had.Another route may be mating a 472-500 cadillac or big buick to a multi-speed trans.These gas engines in 1970 versions put out 510 lb.ft. torque at nearly idle and got much better mileage than chevy engines;they did not break and they are still setting around with not too much mileage after the power seats and power windows quit;if you can get a turbo somewhere cheap,you can get 800 lb.ft. torque or more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Canada - Burying CO2
Ok, so this article is interesting but it brings two items to mind straightaway: 1) What kind of energy is being used to collect, scrub, compress, and transport this CO2? 2) Let's say we successfully lower emissions of greenhouse gasses by burying them. What happens if there's an earthquake and suddenly the equivalent of years' worth of these gassess are released into the atmosphere at once? Sigh James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
Joshua- You might check with GM to see what diesel engines were installed as the diesel option for that model bus. Also, You need to weigh the costs of a replacement engine (close to $1,000 used) plus any other modifications to mounts, transmission, drive train, etc. If you are getting 5 mpg now, don't expect to get more than 10 mpg after the diesel retrofit. You need to ask yourself whether the cost aqnd trouble is justified to gain 5 mpg. You can buy a lot of gas for $1,000 - 1,500. (maybe not at $2.00/gal). It does not seem worth the effort to me. Dan --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Canada - Burying CO2
on 7/18/04 9:03 AM, Noctaire at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so this article is interesting but it brings two items to mind straightaway: 1) What kind of energy is being used to collect, scrub, compress, and transport this CO2? 2) Let's say we successfully lower emissions of greenhouse gasses by burying them. What happens if there's an earthquake and suddenly the equivalent of years' worth of these gassess are released into the atmosphere at once? Not to mention the fact that the whole POINT of this exercise is to force yet MORE oil out of the ground! -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming
Thankyou Todd. I seem to recall you've been into some detail on fossil fuels and nuclear power awhile back somewhere else. Let me see if I can dig it up rather than your doing it all over again. What are the fossil fuel inputs of building and running a nuclear power plant (including waste management)? Well..., for starters, one of the filthiest coal fired plants in the world is just south of here - dedicated strictly to the processing of enriched fuel for nuclear power and weapons industries. That's not exactly carbon neutral. But the nuclear power industry seems to forget little nuances such as inputs. Which, of course, is all well and fine when the entire industry is so heavily subsidized that it would instantaneously go belly up and bankrupt if it were to attempt to stand on its own two legs. Take away the subsidies and solar photovoltaic would look like a bargain basement sale in comparison. Why all the subsidies? Weapons industries you say. That's why, eh? The IAEA exists to spread the peaceful use of the atom, it says, but is there such a thing as the peaceful use of the atom for power supply? Of course the Bushies are hot for it, and pushing new technology - the Pebble Bed Modular Reactor and the Gas Turbine Helium Reactor. South Africa seems to be the leader with the pebble bed mini-nukes, though I don't think they've built one yet. Allegedly cleaner and safer. Ho-hum. I'm wondering however if they have similar fossil-fuels inputs and the apparently essential links with weaponry. Any possible reason in sight to change Earthlife Africa's slogan Nuclear Energy Costs the Earth? Best Keith Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming This yarn is a few weeks old, but then the spin it's debunking is also getting a little old. I don't think this is right: Unlike fossil fuels, nuclear power emits no carbon dioxide, the main cause of climate change. On the surface of it perhaps, but I think the nuclear industry doesn't get to exist without fossil fuels. What are the fossil fuel inputs of building and running a nuclear power plant (including waste management)? Debunking A Lot Of Hot Air http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=535576 The International Atomic Energy Agency, which promotes nuclear power, concluded that even under the most favourable circumstances, nuclear power wouldn't slow global warming. An IAEA report predicted that global warming would decrease more if no new [nuclear plants were] built beyond those already planned, because the world would have to be so prosperous to afford a significant increase in nuclear plants that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels would have grown even faster. The IAEA's findings undercut the Nuclear Energy Institute's claims that nuclear energy ... helps to keep the air clean, preserve the Earth's climate, avoid ground-level ozone formation and prevent acid rain. SOURCE: The Independent (UK), June 27, 2004 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0626-05.htm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=535576 Nuclear power 'can't stop climate change' By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor 27 June 2004 Nuclear power cannot solve global warming, the international body set up to promote atomic energy admits today. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which exists to spread the peaceful use of the atom, reveals in a new report that it could not grow fast enough over the next decades to slow climate change - even under the most favorable circumstances. The report - published to celebrate yesterday's 50th anniversary of nuclear power - contradicts a recent surge of support for the atom as the answer to global warming. That surge was provoked by an article in The Independent last month by Professor James Lovelock - the creator of the Gaia theory - who said that only a massive expansion of nuclear power as the world's main energy source could prevent climate change overwhelming the globe. Professor Lovelock, a long-time nuclear supporter, wrote: Civilization is in imminent danger and has to use nuclear - the one safe, available, energy source - now or suffer the pain soon to be inflicted by our outraged planet. His comments were backed by Sir Bernard Ingham, Lady Thatcher's former PR chief, and other commentators, but have now been rebutted by the most authoritative organization on the matter. Unlike fossil fuels, nuclear power emits no carbon dioxide, the main cause of climate change. However, it has long been in decline in the face of rising public opposition and increasing reluctance of governments and utilities to finance its enormous construction costs. No new atomic power station
[biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming
See also, from The Center for Public Integrity: Special Report The Politics of Energy: Oil Gas How a gusher of giveaways to oil and gas industry was crafted in Congress http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31250/ Special Report The Politics of Energy: Coal How did coal become the Bush administration's fuel of choice? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31251/ Special Report The Politics of Energy: Coal How a conservative think tank gave Bush the cover he needed to break his carbon dioxide pledge http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31234/ Special Report The Politics of Energy: Nuclear Power The Bush administration makes the nuclear industry's agenda its own http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31240/ The Curious Bonds of Oil Diplomacy From Making a Killing: The Business of War http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28985/ Greasing the Skids of Corruption From Making a Killing: The Business of War http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28986/ Full Report: Making a Killing: The Business of War The Center for Public Integrity http://www.publici.org/report.aspx?aid=177sid=100 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:16:12 -0500 SUBJECT: [biofuel] Re: Big Oil on Global Warming Thank you gentlemen. These also maybe of interest from The Center for Public Integrity Investigative Journalism in the Public Interest The Politics of Oil How one of the world's richest industries influences government and policy. http://publicintegrity.org/oil/ WASHINGTON, July 15, 2004 - Big Oil Protects its Interests Industry spends hundreds of millions on lobbying, elections - Gimme Shelter (From Taxes) U.S. oil and gas companies have 882 subsidiaries in tax haven countries - Koch's Low Profile Belies Political Power Private oil company does both business and politics with the shades drawn - A Pipeline of Influence Even before he became VP, Dick Cheney and Bush fundraisers were crafting national energy policy - Big Oil Spends $400,000 on Government Junkets Legislators taken to NASCAR races, Wildcatters Ball bioveging wrote: The Council on Foreign Relations is a creation of the Rockerfeller family for the purpose of influencing and directing US foreign policy. Gary Allen's The Rockerfeller File on-line: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/index.html#metatop Read it and then very little will need to be questioned about motive. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Controlled, sir, is the key word. Think about what they've controlled thus far. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: [biofuel] Big Oil on Global Warming If big oil companies say global warming can be controlled, why not urge them on? A warm welcome to the attitude change on global climate change By ERIC REGULY Thursday, July 8, 2004 - Page B2 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/2004070 8/RREGUL08/TPBusiness/TopStories Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Lube oil tests - was Re: New to the group
Hi Lurch, Robert Very welcome discussion. Three subjects here - bypass filtration, biodiesel and lube oil, and which particular biodiesel and which particular lube oil. There's information on all three in the archives. On bypass filtration, this recent thread is interesting: The Myth of the 3,000 Mile Oil Change http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33666/1/ ...With approximately 200,000 miles on the odometer, I installed a Frantz Bypass Filter System. There are others available, but this one suited my needs, and I remembered the name from my teenage years. I have had numerous professional lab analysis performed on the oil at many different bypass filter change intervals since. All results have come back near identical. The results have shown soot levels at BELOW .01%. The same result I would expect with new, unused oil. The thread starts with a message on The Motor Oil Bible, free online, go to http://TheMotorOilSite.com and register for an account Also try an archives search for Frantz and bypass: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ On biodiesel and lube oil: http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Pages/biodiesel21.html Digression on Lubricating oil contamination Contamination or dilution of the lubricating oil of biodiesel-fueled vehicles has frequently been a concern of engine manufacturers. [more] http://www.missouri.edu/~pavt0689/Research_Needs_Resulting.pdf Research Needs Resulting from Experiences of Fueling of Diesel Engines With Biodiesel Condition of Engine Lube Oil Blackburn, et al (1983) noted unacceptable levels of ester contamination in the crankcase lubricant. Peterson, (1996) reported increases in engine oil dilution with the Yellowstone National Park Truck in the Park Dodge pickup that was fueled with 100% ethyl ester of rapeseed oil. However, a review of the engine oil analysis for five BD20 buses that have been fueled at Bi-State Development Agency in St. Louis, MO suggests that fuel dilution is negligible. The engine oil analysis of a 1991- 5.9L Cummins engine and a 1992- 5.9L Cummins engine that was fueled with 100% biodiesel by Schumacher (1995a, d) also suggests that fuel dilution is not a problem. Schumacher (1996) did not find any lubrication oil deposits on the head or in the oil pan when examining the 1992 engine after 100,000 miles of operation. The OEMs have taken a conservative stand on this issue. It is their recommendation that the normal oil change interval should be cut by half to minimize problems associated with engine lubricating oil (Engine Manufacturers Association, 1995). On which biodiesel and which lube oil: Previous message: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34679/1 Needs more information. Best wishes Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I recently joined the group. I have been making biodiesel for about one year, have some formal training in chemistry and some automotive mechanical experience as a shadetree mechanic. Currently I am running a little experiment using bypass filtration and synthetic oil (using professional oil analysis) in my biodiesel powered vehicles. I am not changing the crankcase oil until it does not meet specs. This is important because synthetic oil improves fuel economy and takes a lot of used motor oil out of the waste stream. Potentially synthetic oil could last over 100,000 miles but I am unaware of any studies on vehicles running neat biodiesel. This topic may have been covered previously so I will end..here. We have talked about this before, but I don't think anyone has posted any hard data. (Is there any actual data out there?) Please tell us more about your experiment. What process are you using for your biodiesel? What kind of engine is it being used in? How long had the engine been operating before you began the experiment, and what kind of condition was it in when you began checking the quality of your oil? This is a topic of interest to many people on the list. Welcome aboard! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!
Re: [biofuel] Rice husk ash
Hello Kim, Keith , Ken et al, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Rice husk ash snip No, you wouldn't. I doubt the rice is dehusked at the farm-level, it'll be sent to a mill. Products are rice and bran, husks are waste. Should be FFTA. Unless they've found some by-product use for them there. Rice bran also contains fatty acid. Recenlty KC Velappan at the Dept. of Chemical Engg., Central Leather Research Institute (CLRI), Chennai has converted this rice bran oil into biodiesel by a catalytic process. http://www.clri.org/PatentsIndexFrame.html Do you think I could burn the straw and get RHA ? No, totally different. Rice husk is mostly silica. When you ash it the way Michael describes, what you get is basically a bunch of tiny glass bubbles, light, great insulator, add water and it dries like cement. RHA, as you rightly observe, is moslly silica and can be reprecipitated (after digestion with NaOH and mineral acid/CO2) as a white and very lightweight Silica used extensively in the tyre industry as replacement for Carbon Black (hence called White Carbon). It is also used as a builder in rubber and plastics formulations. It retails for about US $1/kg and is a cost effective substitute for the silica made from sodium silicate by Companies such as Degussa of Germany. Regards. balaji We're using it to make woodstoves, among other things. But I think people who're interested in papercrete and adobe and so on should have a look at RHA. Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Beetle engine
Has anyone tried to run a beetle's engine on bio fuel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SCHOOL BUS
Right, right... like a 6.2, 6.5 or whatnot... from what I've seen on the web, they seem to be QUITE common. There's entire website's dedicated to those two plus the 6.6. And for what we're doing, noise is definitely not a significant consideration. Now, anyone have any experience converting these engines to SVO? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to look into a Detroit series 60 engine. They are not recommended for buses in general because they are essentially a big truck motor and a little more noisy, but the noise factor is really the only consideration when they state that they are recommended. The Detroit series 60 is a very good motor, many highway buses use them as well as a good many trucks. Might be worth having a look around for one, just a thought. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without much trouble, huh? Well, will the motor mounts match up? When we put in a tranny that matches that engine will the drive fit? I'm looking for which DIESEL engine will be LEAST trouble to put in. I would have thought that a GMC (Detroit) Diesel engine would be the most likely candidate, being made by the same company and all. As for chassis, school buses have what, like 5 ton suspentions? It's not a truck, although perhaps a truck engine would work great... power is not the big concern in a hippie school bus. ;) Cheers, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What size chasse is the bus?If one ton,you can put in a 5.9 cummins out of a dodge without much trouble and it is a far superior engine to what ford or gm offered in their pickups.If your bus is on a two ton undercarriage,you have more options because you have more space and probably will need more torque than the earlier 5.9 engines had.Another route may be mating a 472-500 cadillac or big buick to a multi-speed trans.These gas engines in 1970 versions put out 510 lb.ft. torque at nearly idle and got much better mileage than chevy engines;they did not break and they are still setting around with not too much mileage after the power seats and power windows quit;if you can get a turbo somewhere cheap,you can get 800 lb.ft. torque or more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
I will indeed check with GMC on monday, but as for the economic gain. We have two other schoolbuses that we have already converted to run on SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), and so the cost involved in fuel is rather lessened. The only possible alternative fuel for the gas engine (that I know of) is ethanol, but we would need to produce a rather obscene amount of alcohol to run the 5mpg gas engine, but we are already scoring large quantities of used veggie oil, so at this point, the gas bus costs about 100 times more to run than the diesels, so I do believe it would be worth it, if we can get a diesel motor for $1000 - $1500. Cheers. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua- You might check with GM to see what diesel engines were installed as the diesel option for that model bus. Also, You need to weigh the costs of a replacement engine (close to $1,000 used) plus any other modifications to mounts, transmission, drive train, etc. If you are getting 5 mpg now, don't expect to get more than 10 mpg after the diesel retrofit. You need to ask yourself whether the cost aqnd trouble is justified to gain 5 mpg. You can buy a lot of gas for $1,000 - 1,500. (maybe not at $2.00/gal). It does not seem worth the effort to me. Dan --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] waste oil collection from residences.
Dear All, Here in Turkey waste vegetable oil from fast food restaurants is collected by the renderers who use the oil to produce industrial soap. So it is very difficult to get a waste oil share from these people. As the biodiesel demonstration people we decided to collect waste oil from residences. In fact we are not sure about the model that we can use. We may offer people to give unused vegetable oil for every 5-7 lt. of waste oil or we can make people who are assigned for the cleaning of the apartments to collect for us and then pay them per liter of waste oil. Is there anybody or any demonstration group who got a success to collect the waste oil from residences. Any suggestions are wellcome for our demonstration project. Regards Huseyin - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rice husk ash
Hello Balaji Hello Kim, Keith , Ken et al, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip No, you wouldn't. I doubt the rice is dehusked at the farm-level, it'll be sent to a mill. Products are rice and bran, husks are waste. Should be FFTA. Unless they've found some by-product use for them there. Rice bran also contains fatty acid. Recenlty KC Velappan at the Dept. of Chemical Engg., Central Leather Research Institute (CLRI), Chennai has converted this rice bran oil into biodiesel by a catalytic process. http://www.clri.org/PatentsIndexFrame.html No details. :-( This is an interesting report, which I have a pdf of, but it's not online: ... In this study, in-situ esterification of rice bran oil with ethanol (96%) was investigated using sulfuric acid. The effect of FFA content of rice bran oil and ethanol concentration on the yield and purity of obtained esters was investigated. The results showed that the ethyl ester content of products changed considerably with the FFA content of rice bran oil. The ester content of product increase from 36,6% to 78% with increasing the FFA content of oil from 14.5% to 81.0, respectively. Similarly, it was also observed that high amount of the esters products obtained from rice bran oils containing high FFA. In the second part of the study, in-situ esterification experiments were conducted with 99.1% ethanol and these results were compared with 96% ethanol. It was seen that the increasing of ethanol concentration resulted in significant increasement in the yield of esters from low-acidity bran oils, i.e., the ester yield increased about 20% when the rice bran oil, having 14% FFA was treated with 99.1% ethanol. However, bran oils with high FFA contents used in the esterification reaction 99.1% ethanol did not effect practically the yield of ester. From Fatty acids ethyl esters from rice bran oil by in-situ esterification as a biodiesel fuel, Sevil Ozgl-Ycel, Selma Trkay There's an abstract here: http://www.aiche.org/conferences/techprogram/paperdetail.asp?PaperID=1 742DSN=annual02 There's interesting material on rice bran in an FAO report called Minor oil crop - previous comment: It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. It has to be processed quickly though, because it contains an enzyme that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. Good case for acid-base. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates. Well, 924 million gallons here, another 2 or 3 billion gallons of WVO going to waste in the US every year, probably 3 or 4 times that much again in the other industrialized countries, and who knows how much in the rest of the world, add in all the corn oil apparently going to waste at large-scale ethanol-from-grain plants, plus huge lakes of surplus soy oil, surplus rapeseed oil too I think, and maybe others, just for starters... and we're supposed to take the penthouse-view of the centralized Think Big folks seriously when they say we can't grow enough biofuels. We're also supposed to take *them* seriously, rather than kicking them all out and going for local-level initiatives. With rice, what probably makes the best sense is not to mill at at all - again at local level, store it in the hull, de-hull as needed, and leave both oil and bran in the germ on the seed as intended: nutritionally, brown rice is far superior to white. The report's here: http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5043E/x5043E0a.htm#Rice bran Minor oil crops - Individual monographs Um, that link won't work, the last word (bran) is broken off with a space. Put it in the browser url, with the space, or go via the index, scroll down to 1.21 Rice bran: http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5043E/X5043E00.htm Minor oil crops - Contents Do you think I could burn the straw and get RHA ? No, totally different. Rice husk is mostly silica. When you ash it the way Michael describes, what you get is basically a bunch of tiny glass bubbles, light, great insulator, add water and it dries like cement. RHA, as you rightly observe, is moslly silica and can be reprecipitated (after digestion with NaOH and mineral acid/CO2) as a white and very lightweight Silica used extensively in the tyre industry as replacement for Carbon Black (hence called White Carbon). Didn't know that, thanks! Thus saving a lot of natural gas. It is also used as a builder in rubber and plastics formulations. It retails for about US $1/kg and is a cost effective substitute for the silica made from sodium silicate by Companies such as Degussa of Germany. Oh dear, yet it's the most
Re: [biofuel] Re: SCHOOL BUS
Joshua wrote: Right, right... like a 6.2, 6.5 or whatnot... from what I've seen on the web, they seem to be QUITE common. There's entire website's dedicated to those two plus the 6.6. And for what we're doing, noise is definitely not a significant consideration. Now, anyone have any experience converting these engines to SVO? Most people with diesel SVO conversion experience do NOT recommend SVO on an engine that uses a rotary fuel pump, like the Roosa Master system on the 5.7, 6.2 and 6.5 liter GM diesels. If you go with biodiesel, you should be fine. On another note, should you run across a 5.7 liter Olds engine, replace the head bolts (go with studs, if possible) and remember that the starter on the Olds engine mounts on the driver's side. (Therefore, the tranny bellhousing will need to be an Olds unit.) You asked about Detroit engines, and someone commented on the 60 series. I will vouch that this is a rock solid engine, but it's VERY heavy and is most often mated to a big Allison transmission that can take its torque. The mechanics in the repair shop I used to manage spoke highly of the Detroit 60. This is a SERIOUS workhorse of an engine. Plan carefully before you install. (It might be good to visit a truck wrecking yard and have a look around at the engineering required to install one of these things in a bus.) The 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesels can be hopped up nicely, but doing so isn't cheap. The 6.5 turbo diesel is an excellent performer in a 1 ton pickup truck. Think, plan and ask a LOT of advice before you spend your money. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Dutch biodiesel forums
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