[biofuel] Re: Fords & biodiesel

[bioveging]

Zac;

All of those questions and more are listed at 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html. As an added bonus 
it will instruct you in how to make your own, the ins, and outs, 
what to and what not to do when brewing your own biodiesel from 
either SVO (straight vegetable oil) or WVO (watse vegetable oil)
You will find that all diesel vehicles made after the mid eighties 
did not use real rubber for theri pumps, fuel lines ect... and you 
will also learn that even some of those vehicles made prior to that 
date did not all necessarily suffer any degradation of fuel return 
lines predominantly.
Is your Ford 350 diesel compatible with well made (emphasis on well) 
biodiesel without engine modification ? Yes !
Methanol that is still in biodiesel is NOT well made, it should have 
been washed out at the end of the process, check the info at the 
link provided and should you have further questions on anything 
related to alternative energies this is the place.
So, go learn how to make quality fuel and change your truck's diet 
for better health :)

L.

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Zac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I own a 1990 Ford 350 diesel van with a 7.3 liter engine, and I'm 
> wondering if it can be run on biodiesel.  I thought I had read 
> someplace that Ford engines use rubber in their injectors and 
> injector pumps, which the methanol in biodiesel would dissolve.  
My 
> questions are:
> 
> 1. Is this true?
> 
> 
> 2.  If it is true, if I distill most of the methanol out of it, 
> would I avoid this problem?
> 
> 3.  Is there anyone on this list who owns a Ford diesel who is 
> running it on either biodiesel of veggie oil?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Zac




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Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad

[MH]

  

> Maybe if Bush get reelected, he get a chance to correct it and we will see
> four more years of destructive policies, US will be a complete basket case.
> If it happen, I will stop following all the American news. I do not have
> emotional energy enough to hear about Bush and his ventures. It will be
> better to pretend that US do not exist and start with golf or something
> similar. It might be a more healthier exercise alternative, than my
> interest in the exercise of human rights.
> 
> Hakan


 It makes one wonder, is

   Iran next on US hit list?
   2004-07-24 
   http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-07/24/content_351225.htm 

 But 

   Iran Says U.S. Has Only Itself To Blame For 9/11 Attacks 
   7/23/2004 
   http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=23034 


 Four more years of Dubya's flip flopping would be horrendous. 

 "Fool  me  once  shame  on you.  Fool me twice shame on me."


 "...George W. who can't seem to pick a position and stick to it...

 The list of Bush major policy U-turns is as audacious as
 it is long. Among the whiplash-inducing lowlights:

 In September 2001, Bush said capturing
 bin Laden was "our number one priority."
 By March 2002, he was claiming,
 "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
 I really don't care. It's not that important."

 In October 2001, he was dead-set against the need for
 a Department of Homeland Security. Seven months later,
 he thought it was a great idea.

 In May 2002, he opposed the creation of the 9/11 Commission.
 Four months later, he supported it.

 During the 2000 campaign, he said that gay marriage was
 a states' rights issue:  "The states can do what they
 want to do." During the 2004 campaign, he called for a
 constitutional ban on gay marriage.

 Dizzy yet?  No?  OK:

 Bush supported CO2 caps, then opposed them.
 He opposed trade tariffs, then he didn't. Then he did again.
 He was against nation building, then he was OK with it.
 We'd found WMD, then we hadn't.
 Saddam was linked to Osama, then he wasn't. Then he was. Sorta.
 Chalabi was in, then he was out. Way out.

 In fact, Bush's entire Iraq misadventure has been
 one big costly, deadly flip-flop:

 We didn't need more troops, then we did.
 We didn't need more money, then we did.
 Preemption was a great idea -- on to
   Syria, Iran and North Korea!
   Then it wasn't -- hello, diplomacy!
 Baathists were the bad guys, then Baathists were our buds.
 We didn't need the U.N., then we did."   

   George W. Bush:  Presidential or pathological?
   New book puts 'Bush on the Couch'
   Arianna Huffington 
   07.15.04 
   http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17294 
 - 


 "Proof of Bush's Iraq War Lies - Listen to The Complete Audio File
 Information Clearing House has performed an invaluable service by
 collecting all the Bushevik lies about Iraq in a single audio file.
 Listen to it a few times until the point sinks in - BUSH LIED AND
 THOUSANDS DIED. Bill Clinton was impeached for one little sound bite lie -
 how many sound bites will it take to remove the Busheviks -
 and send them all to jail for their war crimes?" 
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5115.htm 

 "Look.  Bush told Americans we were going to enter into this savage and
 bloody war no one really wanted because Iraq posed an immediate and
 imminent threat to the security of the U.S. and its citizens. 
 He gutted the economy for it.  He destroyed long-standing relationships
 with countless international allies for it.  He made America into this
 rogue superpower brat, disrespected and untrustable and appalling, for it. 
 And it was never true."
 - 


 "Does any of this make sense? Where is the common-sense
 consistency, the respect for truth and the logical
 hierarchy of priorities in our foreign policy?
 Why can't the president explain -- without lying --
 why we are in Iraq? Why are Americans dying in a
 country that had no weapons of mass destruction,
 had no role in 9/11 and posed no immediate threat
 to the U.S.?" 

   Fact of the matter is that facts didn't matter
   Senate panel's report is a damning indictment of the Bush Doctrine
   Robert Scheer 
   07.13.04 
   http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17281



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Re: [biofuel] New Technology "APR" for gasification of glycerol/glycerine

[gershtime]

do you think there are better systemsout there than the greasecar.com etc.   
something that might allow SVO/WVO straight  through preheating svo after you 
purge the diesel and then reverse at shut down?? 

-- Original message -- 
Greetings, I have recently joined the on-line discussion re: 
biofuels/biodiesel. We ( www.virent.com ) are developing a new, single-step, 
relatively low-temperature process for converting glycerol & other 
sugars/liquid carbohydrates into hydrogen &/or fuel gas. Virent is a 12 person, 
pre-commercial operation, so we are looking for partners & collaborators from 
other parts of the world -- who have or know of large quantity sugar-streams, 
(from primary processing or as a bi-product of agricultural industry). We 
believe our technology, called Aqueous Phase Reforming (APR) has broad 
application potential. If you can put us in touch with largescale biodiesel 
producers we might be able to help with that "glycerol glut". The products of 
our processing can be used in fuel cells, internal combustion engines & 
turbines to generate cleaner electricity/power.
Feel free to contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our website (above) for more 
information or to open a dialog.
Thanks,
H. Tony Hartmann
VIRENT ENERGY SYSTEMS
3591 Anderson St. #209, Madison, WI 53704
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel

[Tilapia]

More explanation: these prices are for fuels that are untaxed, and therefore 
the retail taxed fuel would be around 45¢ per gallon higher, depending on your 
state. Then too, these are wholesale prices, and the difference between the 
quoted price, plus tax, and the price at the pump represents the profit that 
the retailer is selling the fuel for.   Generally you can count on 30 to 40¢ 
per 
gallon profit on diesel fuel, and somewhat higher on any biodiesel mix.   
When I say wholesale, I'm talking a minimum of 3000 gallons, and often 7500 
gallon or so, a whole truckload

Tom Leue

In a message dated 7/24/04 4:48:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hi Tom,
> 
> I couldn't make sense of your post because of the way it came up. Are you 
> comparing the prices for "dino" diesel & biodiesel? My reason for asking is 
> that I live around 75 miles west of Atlanta GA, & I know that the price of 
> "dino" diesel between home & work (Rockmart to Douglasville) $1.65 & $1.75 
> (taxes 
> included), & I am not aware of any
> commercial distribution of biodiesel in my area. Also, gasoline ranges from 
> $1.79 (regular) to $1.99 (premium) (taxes included) along my route as well.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Gregg Davidson
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad.
> People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the
> country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part.
> 
> Tom Leue
> 
> 
> Latest update:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê 7/22/04Ê ÊÊ
> Note: No taxes included.Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê
> Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê
> LocalityÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-100Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-20Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-2Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê
> Diesel
> Albany, NYÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.406Ê Ê Ê $1.403Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.151
> Atlanta, GAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.337Ê Ê Ê $1.135Ê Ê Ê $1.112
> Baltimore, MDÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.453Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.145Ê Ê Ê $1.117
> Boston, MAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.210Ê Ê Ê $1.311Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.132
> Burlington, VTÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.154Ê Ê Ê $1.130
> Charleston, WVÊ Ê Ê $2.408Ê Ê Ê $1.412Ê Ê Ê $1.184Ê Ê Ê $1.159
> Columbia, SCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.449Ê Ê Ê $1.387Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.116
> Columbus, OHÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.225Ê Ê Ê $1.305Ê Ê Ê $1.104Ê Ê Ê $1.083
> Des Moines, IAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.414Ê Ê Ê $1.369Ê Ê Ê $1.152Ê Ê Ê $1.127
> Dover, DEÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.345Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140
> Indianapolis, INÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.279Ê Ê Ê $1.092Ê Ê Ê $1.072
> Jackson, MSÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.030Ê Ê Ê $1.304Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.120
> Jacksonville, FLÊ Ê Ê $2.208Ê Ê Ê $1.354Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140
> Little Rock, ARÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.317Ê Ê Ê $1.140Ê Ê Ê $1.120
> Louisville, KYÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.050Ê Ê Ê $1.324Ê Ê Ê $1.158Ê Ê Ê $1.140
> Manchester, NHÊ Ê Ê $2.226Ê Ê Ê $1.373Ê Ê Ê $1.179Ê Ê Ê $1.157
> Miami, FLÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.132
> Minneapolis, MNÊ Ê Ê $2.074Ê Ê Ê $1.392Ê Ê Ê $1.188Ê Ê Ê $1.170
> Nashville, TNÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.339Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.117
> New Orleans, LAÊ Ê Ê $2.400Ê Ê Ê $1.362Ê Ê Ê $1.126Ê Ê Ê $1.100
> Newark/NYC, NJÊ Ê Ê $2.395Ê Ê Ê $1.394Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.124
> Philadelphia, PAÊ Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.352Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.130
> Pittsburgh, PAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.452Ê Ê Ê $1.359Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.137
> Portland, MEÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.078Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.158
> Providence, RIÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.184Ê Ê Ê $1.367Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.145
> Raleigh, NCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.178Ê Ê Ê $1.343Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.121
> Richmond, VAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.348Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.126
> St. Louis, MOÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.218Ê Ê Ê $1.353Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.141
> U.S. Average:Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.224Ê Ê Ê $1.351Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.129
> Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ
> Montreal, QCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.426Ê Ê Ê $1.191Ê Ê Ê $1.167
> Ottawa, ONÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.437Ê Ê Ê $1.195Ê Ê Ê $1.181
> Toronto, ONÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.396Ê Ê Ê $1.224Ê Ê Ê $1.206
> Canada Average:Ê Ê Ê $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.420Ê Ê Ê $1.203Ê Ê Ê $1.185
> 
> Minimum:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.030Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê
> Local Average:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.221Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê
> 
> 
> 






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[biofuel] Fwd: 7/24 & 7/31 Biodiesel Workshop in Prov.

[Tilapia]

In a message dated 7/23/04 7:51:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Please forward:
> >
> >Apeiron community, this comes to us from McKenna Morrigan, it's a
> >dream come true:
> >
> >Biodiesel in Rhode Island:
> >A renewable energy source for a non-renewable world.
> >Saturday, July 24th & Saturday, July 31st, 1-3pm.
> >
> >Come learn about biodiesel, a renewable fuel made from vegetable
> >oil. This workshop will bring together some Rhode Islanders who are
> >using, producing, testing, and distributing biodiesel in the state
> >to talk with us about the benefits of using this renewable fuel.
> >After we learn about the fuel, we will explore how individuals can
> >start using it for personal transportation, and how we can expand
> >biodiesel use and production in Rhode Island and beyond.
> >
> >Location: The People's School Space at CityArts in Providence
> >(891 Broad St, Entrance on Lexington Ave side door)
> >
> >Register online at: http://www.peopleschool.org/workshops.php or by
> >calling The People's School voicemail at 401.427.2181
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Fords & biodiesel

[Philip B. Bechtel]

Hello All,

In response to Zac's questions, I have a 1989 Ford F-350 diesel 7.3l 
engine and plan to run it on 100% BD.  However, I will be distilling the 
free methanol out and washing very well before using it in any of my 
diesels.  My first test batch actually dissolved clear plastic wrap off 
the top of the jar I stored it in and is still is showing a pH of 5.65.

I will post to the list any issues that arise after beginning to use 
BD100 with my diesels.

Phil

Zac wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I own a 1990 Ford 350 diesel van with a 7.3 liter engine, and I'm 
>wondering if it can be run on biodiesel.  I thought I had read 
>someplace that Ford engines use rubber in their injectors and 
>injector pumps, which the methanol in biodiesel would dissolve.  My 
>questions are:
>
>1. Is this true?
>
>
>2.  If it is true, if I distill most of the methanol out of it, 
>would I avoid this problem?
>
>3.  Is there anyone on this list who owns a Ford diesel who is 
>running it on either biodiesel of veggie oil?
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Zac
>
>
>
>
>
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[biofuel] New batch

[gregg2560]

Hi All,

For the last week or so I've been working on a couple of new batches 
of Biodiesel. I'd run into a few minor problems along the way, 
however, at present things seem to be working in my favour. I'm 
currently in the washing process, & this time I didn't get the froth 
I did last time. Hopefully, when I'm finished, I'll have about
8 litres. I would've had more, but I had to sacrifice a bit to find 
out where the problem was.

Wish me luck,
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[biofuel] end of oil-again

[tallex2002]

World creeping closer to `oil shock'

http://tinyurl.com/5moxt


Maybe there is a silver lining in all of this
and we will finally get serious about
accelerating the adaption of biofuels,
fuel cells and alternative energy systems
that don't rely on oil.

I quess that we better hope that we are not on
the tracks and the silver lining is a speeding train.


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Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Pieter Koole]

This is what I have been doing since the last 7 years.

Met  dank en vriendelijke groet,
Pieter Koole
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- Original Message -
From: "rob crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:02 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed


> I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service "Europe Today"
> program broadcast on July 23.  They interviewed a spokesperson from a
> British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power
> from rapeseed oil and WVO.
>
> The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil.  The rapeseed
> is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild remains
> from the pressing is mixed with waste vegetable oil and burned in a
> turbine.  In this way, the entire rapeseed is used to generate
> electricity.
>
> According to the interview, the technology could produce electricity for
> one thousand homes for one year using crops planted in an area of 1
> square mile (2.5 sq km).  Based on the rapeseed crops planted in the UK
> now, there is enough to supply five percent of the UK power needs.
>
> The article did not appear on their web site, but perhaps it will be
> available later at:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/europe/europetoday/index.shtml
>
> best regards,
>  rob
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[biofuel] Re: Wonders never cease: The White House and biodiesel

[Arcologic]

Uhhh, is this a Texan horse?  Please, beware of politicians bearing 
gifts,especially in an election year.  (With the Democrats, it wouldn't have 
been 
necessary to ask.)

Ernie Rogers

biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes:
Here is a news flash that might be of interest.
Tom Leue

Cheney Confirms Need For Biodiesel Incentive
President Also Expresses Support For Biodiesel


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[biofuel] What to plant for biodiesel

[Arcologic]

I have thought that cotton (seed) would be a good choice.  How about it?  
/Ernie Rogers

 biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes:
   Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Rakesh Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which one is good for biodiesel


Hi Guys,

I want to do farming for bio-diesel in USA, which plant is the best suited 
for it? Hemp or Soyabean or something else?

Can Jatropha be planted on USA? Is Jatropha better or hemp better?  Could you 
point to a resource where I can find this kind of info.?

thanks,

rakesh
   


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[biofuel] Re: oil in the canola plant

[Arcologic]

Thanks, Keith, for the insight.  There should be a nugget of gold here, 
somewhere.

Actually, I doubt that the oil in the stalk and leaves has a purpose in the 
plant's propagation.  Anyone have info on this? 

By the way, coincidentally, I visited a pair of grain (canola) elevators west 
of Edmonton just yesterday--one was owned by Cargill.  A local citizen 
advised me that people no longer refer to "rape" any longer, preferring to 
speak of 
canola seed. /Ernie Rogers

biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes:
The rapeseed plant itself, not the seed but the rest of the plant, is 
said to contain 13% oil, which people have said goes to "waste". 


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[biofuel] In the market

[bhstone1]

I am looking to buy a working but used and cheap diesel vehicle which
I can cheaply convert to using SVO, BD, WVO, etc

My needs: 
* Price between $0 and $3000
* In Boston or Chicago areas
* Like a truck (SUV) or wagon in size (i do a lot of hauling and off
roading every summer)

If anyone has any ideas


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Re: [biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed

[Keith Addison]

(Thanks, Kirk!)

Not quite sure it's the same story as Rob heard on the BBC, but this 
is certainly industrialised. "... he has gone into partnership with 
the giant Anglo-Swiss agribusiness Syngenta..." Biotech giant, 
world's largest agrochemical and seed corporation, not widely known 
for their contribution to sustainable farming or sustainable 
anything, including sustainable planets.

--

Power plant: oilseed rape grown for electricity

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
24 July 2004

Wind power, wave power, solar power ... and now, oilseed rape power. 
Britain's first electricity generating station powered by the yellow 
crop is to be built on a Yorkshire farm.

It will mark a significant step forward in the development of 
electricity from biomass, or plant material.

The man behind it, Clifford Spencer, has led the way in Britain in 
the production of non-food crops: next year his company will grow 
70,000 acres of plants for use in industry rather than food.

A third-generation farmer, Mr Spencer, 51, sees this as the future of 
British agriculture, if it is to get back to growing things that 
markets really want, rather than things that Brussels subsidies 
encourage.

His oilseed rape power station is a natural extension of his non-food 
crop business, which over the past decade has profitably grown 
thousands of acres of several plants not usually associated with the 
British countryside.

These include: crambe, a type of cabbage used in the production of 
lubricants; borage, used in cosmetics; and non-narcotic hemp, used 
for oils and fibres.

For his biomass power scheme he has gone into partnership with the 
giant Anglo-Swiss agribusiness Syngenta, which is providing a 
specially developed high-yielding rape variety which will be grown by 
Mr Spencer and more than 100 local farmers under contract.

Between them they will grow 1,400 tons of rape and send the seeds to 
a plant about to be built on Mr Spencer's Springdale farm near 
Driffield, which will burn the rape oil. By this time next year they 
hope to have an electricity output of 1 megawatt, enough to power 
1,000 homes. Mr Spencer will run his farm on it and the surplus will 
be sold on to the national grid.

"Agriculture needs to get back to being market-led, and producing for 
real markets," said Mr Spencer, who began to diversify from 
traditional crops in the 1990s when he feared commodity prices might 
fall - as indeed they did.

His new generating station is significant also as a potentially 
important contribution to the fight against climate change.

Biomass is a renewable energy technology like wind, wave and solar, 
able to provide electricity without adding to the growing load of 
carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, which is causing global 
warming.

Biomass is carbon neutral because, although it emits CO2 when it is 
burnt, the plants providing the fuel absorb a similar amount of CO2 
while they are growing. Advantages over the other renewables include 
the fact that it is not intermittent in production (the wind drops; 
the sun goes in).

But it has not been widely used so far because it can be expensive 
and the economics are uncertain.

If Mr Spencer's plant succeeds, it will give biomass a shot in the arm.
24 July 2004

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=544136



>Hi Hakan
>
>>Keith,
>>
>>I am not sure that rape seed is industrialized monocrop in Europe, most
>>farms that I know of, grow it in a rotation scheme. I thought that the
>>rotation schemes with resting periods, was a part of maintaining soil
>>quality, but I am not an expert on this.
>
>Yes, that too, even quite often, and the same with soy in the US. It 
>doesn't make much difference though. Simply rotating crops with some 
>intervening fallow periods is not enough to maintain soil fertility, 
>all it can do is reduce some of the strain. As you say, it's just a 
>part, and since it's usually the only part (if even that), bridging 
>the ever-widening gap is as usual a matter of chemicals and fossil 
>fuels and dubious sustainability, if any. It's still industrialised.
>
>There are some good posts in the archives from real organic farmers 
>doing this properly, with lower costs, equal or higher yields, 
>better quality, and they're getting premium prices. One said they're 
>laughing all the way to the bank. Sustainable methods are not less 
>efficient, less productive, less profitable, or more difficult.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>
>>Hakan
>>
>>At 06:42 24/07/2004, you wrote:
>> >Hello Rob
>> >
>> > >I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service "Europe Today"
>> > >program broadcast on July 23.  They interviewed a spokesperson from a
>> > >British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power
>> > >from rapeseed oil and WVO.
>> > >
>> > >The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil.  The rapeseed
>> > >is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild rema

Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?

[Larosa Rodolfo]

DEar Friends,

is not possible to use wvo, svo or biodiesel as hydraulic fuels. As
hydraulic fuels were used mixed castor oil with alcohol and today are used
syntetic fluids. This synt fluids are ester of trimethylolpropane, npg with
fatty acids. Are biodegradabily and and long life.
Regards
Rodolfo

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From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?


>
> Has anyone looked in to using WVO or SVO as a replacement for hydraulic
fluid to be used in a tractor or log spitter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Saul A. Juliao
>
>
>
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[biofuel] Re: oil in the canola plant

[Keith Addison]

Hi Ernie

>Thanks, Keith, for the insight.  There should be a nugget of gold here,
>somewhere.
>
>Actually, I doubt that the oil in the stalk and leaves has a purpose in the
>plant's propagation.  Anyone have info on this?

I doubt it too. On the other hand, everything does, if you consider 
the seed's point of view (that plants are just a plot by seeds to 
beget more seeds). Sorry I don't have a reference for that 13% to 
hand.

>By the way, coincidentally, I visited a pair of grain (canola) elevators west
>of Edmonton just yesterday--one was owned by Cargill.  A local citizen
>advised me that people no longer refer to "rape" any longer, 
>preferring to speak of
>canola seed. /Ernie Rogers

That's in Canada and the US. Rape and canola are the same plant, 
different varieties. You want to be a little careful of what's said 
about it in Canada. Eg.: "... canola oil is as different from 
rapeseed oil as olive oil is as different from corn oil. -- 
www.canola.org".

Um... LOL! There was an argument about that here last year when 
someone quoted that, some of the members corrected it, but he decided 
to become more preposterous instead of less. Anyway, it ended up 
being a rather thorough debunking. You can read about it here, with 
the other messages in the thread:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/29334/1

Anyway, "canola" is essentially a brand name for a low-erucic acid 
variety of rapeseed.

Best wishes

Keith


>biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes:
>The rapeseed plant itself, not the seed but the rest of the plant, is
>said to contain 13% oil, which people have said goes to "waste".



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[biofuel] Lumpy BD

[bioveging]

Good day;

I made a "test" batch of 20 liters the other day and when I checked 
it for quality using the method described at journeytoforever 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality it 
returned "good fuel" with clear and distinct seperation of unwashed 
fuel in less than 30 seconds.
The problem is that when I poured out the BD into a bucket (as the 
glycerine had solidified at the bottom of the drum)it was "lumpy", 
as if gelatine clumps were floating around in it.
Is this due to the temp having dropped off during processing or 
perhaps incomplete reaction even though the quality test came back 
positive ?

Any input ?

Thanks

L.




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[biofuel] Check Valves

[bioveging]

Does anyone know if check valves have to be mounted horizontaly or 
can they be plumbed vertically with the flow going downwards ? It is 
for the methoxide delivery for the processor I built based upon G-
Mark's Appleseed Fumeless Processor 
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html

Once I have completed a 20 liter batch successfully I am now ready 
to have a go at a 80 liter batch for my processor's maiden voyage, 
although this one aspect of it nags me.

Thanks

L.




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[biofuel] Re: In the market

[Brian]

Every once in a while, you can find a decent deal on a VW diesel 
pickup (Rabbit frame) on e-bay.  Alternately, I know that there are 
a number of VW groups on the web that might help point you in the 
right direction.  Being partial to VWs, that is where I would 
start.  I am sure that there are plenty of others around with other 
ideas, as well.

Brian

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "bhstone1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking to buy a working but used and cheap diesel vehicle 
which
> I can cheaply convert to using SVO, BD, WVO, etc
> 
> My needs: 
> * Price between $0 and $3000
> * In Boston or Chicago areas
> * Like a truck (SUV) or wagon in size (i do a lot of hauling and 
off
> roading every summer)
> 
> If anyone has any ideas
> 
> 
> stone



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Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?

[Hakan Falk]

Rodolfo,

In the forest industry you have products based on vegetable oils SVO, that 
are used both for chain saws and as hydraulic oils. Had a link before who 
sold those hydraulic liquids for forest machines, by lost it in a disk 
crash. It is also products for sale in US/Canada and if you make a search 
on chain saw in the biofuel archives, you will find more information from 
earlier discussions.

Hakan

At 11:26 25/07/2004, you wrote:
>DEar Friends,
>
>is not possible to use wvo, svo or biodiesel as hydraulic fuels. As
>hydraulic fuels were used mixed castor oil with alcohol and today are used
>syntetic fluids. This synt fluids are ester of trimethylolpropane, npg with
>fatty acids. Are biodegradabily and and long life.
>Regards
>Rodolfo
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:55 AM
>Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO as hydraulic fluid?
>
>
> >
> > Has anyone looked in to using WVO or SVO as a replacement for hydraulic
>fluid to be used in a tractor or log spitter?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Saul A. Juliao




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[biofuel] Re: In the market

[rob crowley]

hi stone,

someone sold a small isuzu diesel pickup in our small west texas 
community a year or two ago for about $3000.  it struck me as a good 
candidate for biodiesel.  keep looking!

rob


Brian wrote:

>Every once in a while, you can find a decent deal on a VW diesel 
>pickup (Rabbit frame) on e-bay.  Alternately, I know that there are 
>a number of VW groups on the web that might help point you in the 
>right direction.  Being partial to VWs, that is where I would 
>start.  I am sure that there are plenty of others around with other 
>ideas, as well.
>
>Brian
>
>--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "bhstone1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I am looking to buy a working but used and cheap diesel vehicle 
>>
>>
>which
>  
>
>>I can cheaply convert to using SVO, BD, WVO, etc
>>
>>My needs: 
>>* Price between $0 and $3000
>>* In Boston or Chicago areas
>>* Like a truck (SUV) or wagon in size (i do a lot of hauling and 
>>
>>
>off
>  
>
>>roading every summer)
>>
>>If anyone has any ideas
>>
>>
>>stone
>>
>>
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel

[Gregg Davidson]

Hi Tom,
 
Thanks for explaining about this more, however, I'm still a bit confused about 
the numbers for my "neck of the woods". As I mentioned, "dino-diesel" is fairly 
cheap here, ranging from $1.65 to $1.75 (taxes are included in these prices), & 
those prices are in that range from Rockmart to Douglasville, which is 37 miles 
away.Maybe somewhere in Downtown Atlanta or along the Interstate Highway 
somewhere you will find "dino-diesel" at $2.15, if I'm reading your chart 
right, but not where I am. 
 
There is a Shell station here in Rockmart that sells "High Sulfur" diesel for 
off-road use (maybe for farm use too), & it's a lot cheaper as I don't think it 
is taxed, but since I've never bought any, I don't know for sure. Also, Georgia 
has one of the lowest fuel tax in the USA.
 
Respectfully,
Gregg Davidson


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More explanation: these prices are for fuels that are untaxed, and therefore 
the retail taxed fuel would be around 45¢ per gallon higher, depending on your 
state. Then too, these are wholesale prices, and the difference between the 
quoted price, plus tax, and the price at the pump represents the profit that 
the retailer is selling the fuel for.   Generally you can count on 30 to 40¢ 
per 
gallon profit on diesel fuel, and somewhat higher on any biodiesel mix.   
When I say wholesale, I'm talking a minimum of 3000 gallons, and often 7500 
gallon or so, a whole truckload

Tom Leue

In a message dated 7/24/04 4:48:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hi Tom,
> 
> I couldn't make sense of your post because of the way it came up. Are you 
> comparing the prices for "dino" diesel & biodiesel? My reason for asking is 
> that I live around 75 miles west of Atlanta GA, & I know that the price of 
> "dino" diesel between home & work (Rockmart to Douglasville) $1.65 & $1.75 
> (taxes 
> included), & I am not aware of any
> commercial distribution of biodiesel in my area. Also, gasoline ranges from 
> $1.79 (regular) to $1.99 (premium) (taxes included) along my route as well.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Gregg Davidson
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad.
> People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the
> country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part.
> 
> Tom Leue
> 
> 
> Latest update:7/22/04
> Note: No taxes included. 
>
> LocalityB-100B-20B-2   
> Diesel
> Albany, NY$2.406  $1.403  $1.176  $1.151
> Atlanta, GA   $2.150  $1.337  $1.135  $1.112
> Baltimore, MD   $2.453  $1.380  $1.145  $1.117
> Boston, MA   $2.210  $1.311  $1.149  $1.132
> Burlington, VT   $2.150  $1.326  $1.154  $1.130
> Charleston, WV  $2.408  $1.412  $1.184  $1.159
> Columbia, SC   $2.449  $1.387  $1.139  $1.116
> Columbus, OH   $2.225  $1.305  $1.104  $1.083
> Des Moines, IA   $2.414  $1.369  $1.152  $1.127
> Dover, DE$2.150  $1.345  $1.161  $1.140
> Indianapolis, IN   $2.150  $1.279  $1.092  $1.072
> Jackson, MS   $2.030  $1.304  $1.138  $1.120
> Jacksonville, FL  $2.208  $1.354  $1.161  $1.140
> Little Rock, AR   $2.100  $1.317  $1.140  $1.120
> Louisville, KY   $2.050  $1.324  $1.158  $1.140
> Manchester, NH  $2.226  $1.373  $1.179  $1.157
> Miami, FL$2.100  $1.326  $1.151  $1.132
> Minneapolis, MN  $2.074  $1.392  $1.188  $1.170
> Nashville, TN   $2.150  $1.339  $1.138  $1.117
> New Orleans, LA  $2.400  $1.362  $1.126  $1.100
> Newark/NYC, NJ  $2.395  $1.394  $1.149  $1.124
> Philadelphia, PA  $2.100  $1.352  $1.150  $1.130
> Pittsburgh, PA   $2.452  $1.359  $1.163  $1.137
> Portland, ME   $2.078  $1.380  $1.176  $1.158
> Providence, RI   $2.184  $1.367  $1.161  $1.145
> Raleigh, NC   $2.178  $1.343  $1.139  $1.121
> Richmond, VA   $2.150  $1.348  $1.150  $1.126
> St. Louis, MO   $2.218  $1.353  $1.163  $1.141
> U.S. Average:   $2.224  $1.351  $1.151  $1.129
> 
> Montreal, QC   $2.119  $1.426  $1.191  $1.167
> Ottawa, ON   $2.119  $1.437  $1.195  $1.181
> Toronto, ON   $2.119  $1.396  $1.224  $1.206
> Canada Average:  $2.119  $1.420  $1.203  $1.185
> 
> Minimum:   $2.030   
> Local Average:  $2.221   
> 
> 
> 






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Homestead Inc.
www.yellowbiodiesel.com



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[biofuel] Biotech Investment Busy Going Nowhere

[Keith Addison]

The Institute of Science in Society

Science Society Sustainability
http://www.i-sis.org.uk

ISIS Press Release 13/07/04

Biotech Investment Busy Going Nowhere

Claire Robinson exposes the financial woes of the biotech industry

The sources for this 
article are posted on ISIS Members' website. 
Details here.

Biotechnology is the answer to problems ranging from hunger in Africa 
and Asia to obesity in the West. This was the upbeat message from the 
industry's promotional showcase, the BIO 2004 conference, which took 
place in San Francisco in June. In launching the conference, BIO (the 
Biotechnology Industry Organisation) trumpeted, "the biotechnology 
industry is performing well across a variety of financial and product 
development measures."

But not everyone was persuaded. This year's media coverage of the 
annual event was decidedly cynical. A report in the Asia Times 
commented, "For many in the scientific community, the smorgasbord of 
marketing claims merely adds to the credibility problems that are 
piling up against genetic engineering, especially as its base claims 
of boosting food output have not been realized."

Another jaded reporter, David Ewing, wrote in the San Francisco 
Chronicle, "As of yet, most of what I'm looking for here is in the 
`promise' category - and has been each year I have come to this 
ever-larger industry fete."

Falling investment

Disappointment at the biotech industry's unfulfilled promises is 
reflected in its falling bottom line. As the New Zealand Herald said, 
"Investment in genetically modified food is drying up in the world's 
biggest GM market, the United States, because consumers in the rest 
of the world are not willing to buy its products."

Roger Wyse of Burrill and Company, the biggest investment firm 
focused on life sciences, said the consumer backlash against GMOs had 
forced a lull in projects aimed at modifying food. "We are probably 
looking at three, four or five years before the GMO issue subsides 
sufficiently that we will feel comfortable investing in it," he said.

Lack of investment has led to massive losses. Back to Ewing: "Last 
year, this industry lost $5.4 billion, and has lost a staggering 
$57.7 billion since BIO last held its annual conference in San 
Francisco in 1994, according to an Ernst and Young study. Only a few 
companies have been consistently profitable in the 30 years since 
biotech was born - a few, such as Amgen and Genentech, fantastically 
so. Remove them, and the losses and numbers are far worse for the 
rest of the industry."

An article in the usually biotech-bullish Wall Street Journal drove 
home the point. Entitled "Biotech's dismal bottom line: More than $40 
billion in losses", the article said, "Biotechnology. may yet turn 
into an engine of economic growth and cure deadly diseases. But it's 
hard to argue that it's a good investment. Not only has the biotech 
industry yielded negative financial returns for decades, it generally 
digs its hole deeper every year."

The Journal points out that this truth becomes lost in the periodic 
bursts of enthusiasm for biotech stocks, one of which is under way 
right now. After a three-year slump, biotech companies raised $1.5 
billion from new stock offerings in the first quarter of 2004, almost 
three times the level of a year earlier. Thus BIO was able to boast 
that while major stock indexes have slipped this year, the Nasdaq 
Biotech Index had edged up about 6 percent at close of markets on 2 
June.

In the absence of consumer take-up of its products, selling stocks 
has become a biotech industry lifeline. In 2003, US biotech firms 
raised almost $4 billion by selling new stock to investors, according 
to Burrill & Co. The same year, US biotechs as a group posted almost 
that much in losses. Only 12 of the 50 largest biotechs turned a 
profit in 2003.

Meltdown continues

In the UK, the biotech meltdown continues apace. Earlier this year, 
it emerged that two biotech firms linked to science minister and 
donor to the Labour Party, Lord Sainsbury, are facing serious 
financial difficulties. Diatech Ltd, which holds several patents for 
techniques designed for use in GM foods, has gone into liquidation, 
while biotechnology investment firm Innotech is making huge losses.

At the end of June, the British GM science lobby despaired at news 
that Anglo-Swiss biotech giant Syngenta was withdrawing from the UK 
and transferring to North Carolina in the US. Syngenta was the last 
biotech company to retain a significant GM research presence in the 
UK after decisions by Monsanto, Dupont and Bayer Cropscience to 
withdraw.

Whether Syngenta will face a more sustainable future in the US is 
open to question. Almost one-sixth of the more than 350 US biotechs 
that went public over the past two decades were bought out for 
pennies on the dollar, dissolved themselves or had filed for 
bankruptcy prot

Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad

[Keith Addison]

"Michael Meacher lays out the case that Pakistan's Inter-Services 
Intelligence gave $100,000 to captured Al Qaeda member Omar Sheikh to 
pass on to 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta (the same guy who did not go 
to Prague). Characterizing ISI as a state within a state, we may here 
have the real state sponsor of terrorism. Unfortunately, the Bush 
administration has pushed Pakistan as an ally on the war on terror. 
Hmmm."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,00.html
Guardian Unlimited | Guardian daily comment | The Pakistan connection
 
Comment

The Pakistan connection

There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 
hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?

Michael Meacher
Thursday July 22, 2004
The Guardian

Omar Sheikh, a British-born Islamist militant, is waiting to be 
hanged in Pakistan for a murder he almost certainly didn't commit - 
of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002. Both the US 
government and Pearl's wife have since acknowledged that Sheikh was 
not responsible. Yet the Pakistani government is refusing to try 
other suspects newly implicated in Pearl's kidnap and murder for fear 
the evidence they produce in court might acquit Sheikh and reveal too 
much.

Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of 
General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services 
Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to 
Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither 
Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this 
count. Why not?

Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 
9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White 
House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George 
Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary 
of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall 
Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was 
forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US 
demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?

Another person who must know a great deal about what led up to 9/11 
is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, allegedly arrested in Rawalpindi on March 
1 2003. A joint Senate-House intelligence select committee inquiry in 
July 2003 stated: "KSM appears to be one of Bin Laden's most trusted 
lieutenants and was active in recruiting people to travel outside 
Afghanistan, including to the US, on behalf of Bin Laden." According 
to the report, the clear implication was that they would be engaged 
in planning terrorist-related activities.

The report was sent from the CIA to the FBI, but neither agency 
apparently recognised the significance of a Bin Laden lieutenant 
sending terrorists to the US and asking them to establish contacts 
with colleagues already there. Yet the New York Times has since noted 
that "American officials said that KSM, once al-Qaida's top 
operational commander, personally executed Daniel Pearl ... but he 
was unlikely to be accused of the crime in an American criminal court 
because of the risk of divulging classified information". Indeed, he 
may never be brought to trial.

A fourth witness is Sibel Edmonds. She is a 33-year-old 
Turkish-American former FBI translator of intelligence, fluent in 
Farsi, the language spoken mainly in Iran and Afghanistan, who had 
top-secret security clearance. She tried to blow the whistle on the 
cover-up of intelligence that names some of the culprits who 
orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, but is now under two gagging orders 
that forbid her from testifying in court or mentioning the names of 
the people or the countries involved. She has been quoted as saying: 
"My translations of the 9/11 intercepts included [terrorist] money 
laundering, detailed and date-specific information ... if they were 
to do real investigations, we would see several significant 
high-level criminal prosecutions in this country [the US] ... and 
believe me, they will do everything to cover this up".

Furthermore, the trial in the US of Zacharias Moussaoui (allegedly 
the 20th hijacker) is in danger of collapse apparently because of 
"the CIA's reluctance to allow key lieutenants of Osama bin Laden to 
testify at the trial". Two of the alleged conspirators have already 
been set free in Germany for the same reason.

The FBI, illegally, continues to refuse the to release of their agent 
Robert Wright's 500-page manuscript Fatal Betrayals of the 
Intelligence Mission, and has even refused to turn the manuscript 
over to Senator Shelby, vice-chairman of the joint intelligence 
committee charged with investigating America's 9/11 intelligence 
failures. And the US government still refuses to declassify 28 secret 
pages of a recent report on 9/11.

It has been rumoured that Pearl was especially interested in any role 
played by the US in training or backing the ISI. Daniel Ellsberg, the 
former US 

[biofuel] The Iraq Scandals: Media Failures Are Next

[Keith Addison]

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert230.shtml
MediaChannel.org - A Global Network of More Than 1,000 Media Issues Groups

The Iraq Scandals: Media Failures Are Next

By Danny Schechter
MediaChannel.org

NEW YORK, July 19, 2004 - By July of 2004, much of what was left of 
the pretexts and rationalizations for the US invasion of Iraq had 
unraveled. Public opinion had turned against the war. The press was 
filled with admissions of "failures."

Richard Clarke, President's Bush's own terrorism coordinator, went 
public with a view of the war as evidence of a failure of policy. It 
was, he charged, not only NOT part of the war on terror but 
undermining it.

Experienced military leaders like General Anthony Zinni and others 
condemned the war as military failure.

A Senate Committee in the US and a commission headed by Lord Butler 
in the UK catalogued extensive intelligence failures. The senators 
condemned what they called "groupthink."

These critics -- including the 9/11 Commission -- remain relatively 
narrow in their approach by focusing on problems or process and 
organizational defects. Few look at the larger picture or dare to 
hold politicians directly accountable. The Butler Commision 
specifically exonerated Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Critics consider many of these inquiries as part of a cover-up, not 
signs of serious investigation to expose wrong-doing and, more 
importantly, its consequences. In intelligence circles, this is 
called a "limited hang out" -- a technique in which some disclosures 
are dribbled out to avoid revealing more devastating ones. The effect 
is an illusion of real candor.

Take The New York Times. On July 16, it admitted in an editorial that 
"we were wrong about the weapons." But what about the rest of its 
coverage, which underplayed civilian casualties, missed many of the 
reasons for the Iraqi resistance, and was behind on the Abu Ghraib 
torture story? Ditto for The Washington Post whose ombudsman faulted 
underreporting of demonstrations.

In my soon-to-be-released film WMD, (www.wmdthefilm,com) based on my 
own study of the coverage of the war, leading anti-war organizer 
Leslie Cagan says that such underreporting was not the problem: "What 
there was not decent coverage of was the analysis. What we were 
trying to say about what was wrong with the war, why we never 
should've gone to war, why the war needed to end, what was 
driving--the motor force behind the war. That analysis never got into 
the mainstream media."

Orville Schell, the head of the Journalism Department at the 
University of California at Berkeley explained that that's because 
media outlets "not only failed to seriously investigate 
administration rationales for war, but little took into account the 
myriad voices in the on-line, alternative, and world press that 
sought to do so."

The "groupthink" cited by the Senate was not confined to government 
agencies. This apt phrase could as easily be applied to the one 
institution charged with scrutinizing official failures: the media.

To the list of institutional failures, we can now add the powerful 
U.S. news industry, which gave the war its legitimacy and organized 
public support for it by a pattern of over-hyped and under-critical 
reporting in which jingoism was often substituted for journalism.

As US public opinion turns against the war, and world condemnation of 
the occupation increases, some voices in the media are now being 
heard as their scandalous complicity finally becomes an issue.

With a few prominent media institutions acknowledging their flawed 
coverage, others are likely to follow. Despite the essential media 
support for US foreign policy, and a propensity for news managers to 
follow the government's lead in setting the agenda, dissent is 
growing and it is likely that the mea culpas now being seen in the 
pages of The New York Times and The Washington Post will grow into a 
larger chorus before a consensus for action is formed.

Like the Vietnam War, what was once a vocal minority's view will work 
its way into the mainstream and find broad acceptance.

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer was the first to identify 
this process, and wrote that "All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is 
accepted as self-evident."

The process usually starts with a few individuals whose skepticism is 
rewarded with recriminations and even dismissal. In the news world, 
it began with the firing of small town newspaper editors and 
cartoonists who dared to dissent. Few nationally known newspeople 
came to their defense.

Popular TV talk show host Phil Donahue came next, purged by MSNBC for 
his anti-war programming. That network's most heavily promoted 
correspondent Ashleigh Banflied was "taken to the woodshed" when she 
questioned MSNBC's coverage at a talk at Kansas State University. The 
network later dropped her.

Soon, Pulitzer Prize-winning war 

[biofuel] Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 5: A Marriage Made in Heaven

[Keith Addison]

http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2458

Rachel's News
#796

Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 5:
A Marriage Made in Heaven

July 22, 2004  

---
Part 1:
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2436
#792
Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 1
May 27, 2004
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35041/

Part 2:
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=2449
#793
Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 2
June 10, 2004  
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35581/

Part 3:
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2450
#794
Fiery Hell On Earth, Pt. 3
June 24, 2004
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36850/

Part 4:
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2457
#795
Fiery Hell on Earth, Pt. 4:
God Told Me To Strike
July 08, 2004
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36849/

---

We began this series seeking an explanation for America's 
contradictory and self-defeating nuclear policies. We end by seeking 
explanations for larger -- but equally perplexing --U.S. 
environmental policies.

The stated goal of U.S. nuclear policy is to keep weapons-grade 
nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists and hostile, 
unstable nations.

Yet in actual fact the U.S. (1) is failing to sweep up weapons-grade 
nuclear materials that are lying around loose in 40 countries, and 
(2) has opened "a second nuclear age" by creating a new generation of 
smaller, "more usable" A-bombs, and (3) despite the terrors of 9/11 
the U.S. government is still peddling Westinghouse nuclear power 
plants to countries like China that have announced plans to pass 
along the latest nuclear technology to countries like Pakistan. (See 
Rachel's #792, #793, #794, #795.) In the hands of any willing nation, 
nuclear power equals nuclear weapons, as we know from India, 
Pakistan, North Korea and Iran, among others.

As I said in Rachel's #795: It's as if U.S. leaders -- or the 
political supporters to whom they are beholden -- believe that the 
rogue detonation of a nuclear device in some key city like Jerusalem 
or even New York is inevitable and can't be stopped, or perhaps might 
even be beneficial in some way and therefore should be enabled.

I'd prefer to explain these bizarre U.S. nuclear power policies as 
ordinary corporate/politico shenanigans -- the Vice-President hawking 
Westinghouse's nuclear wares in return for a generous campaign 
contribution. I'd like to believe that U.S. nuclear weapons policy is 
nothing more than the muddled work of neoconservative eggheads who 
think the world will be safer for democracy if theater commanders can 
call up a small nuclear strike against any enemy at any time.[1] In 
this view, the fanatics in Falluja might think twice about shooting 
at our soldiers (and thumbing their noses at us) if they really 
believed we were ready to nuke their children.

But these "rational" explanations aren't persuasive to me. If such 
rational considerations are really controlling U.S. nuclear policy, 
why aren't we scooping up all the weapons-grade uranium and plutonium 
from around the world as quickly as possible? What is to be gained by 
allowing a "black market" in weapons-grade nuclear materials to 
continue? And how "rational" is it for the U.S. to continue spreading 
atomic power plants and nuclear know-how into a post-9/11 world? Here 
I have to wonder whether something else might be at work. Could the 
spiritual beliefs of the people who control the U.S. be influencing 
U.S. nuclear policies and, indeed, the nation's other 
environment-related policies?

As we saw in Rachel's #795, we do know that a small number of 
fundamentalist Christian leaders now controls the Republican Party. 
We also saw that Republican political operatives believe they can 
only keep their electoral majorities by retaining the support of 
evangelicals. To hear them tell it, Republicans have now put most of 
their electoral eggs in this particular Easter basket. This gives 
fundamentalist leaders decisive political influence over the 
Republican agenda.

Furthermore, we know that these same fundamentalist leaders believe 
that a cataclysmic battle of Armageddon is required to pave the way 
for Christ's return to Earth. These particular Christian leaders find 
nuclear war foretold in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. So for 20 years 
they have been preaching, promoting, and selling Americans on the 
idea of building more bombs and using them to fulfill God's plan. In 
this "end times" scenario, these particular Christian leaders believe 
they will not personally experience Armageddon because they will be 
"raptured" (physically transported) to heaven before it happens. The 
formal name for this rapture theology is "premillenial 
dispensationalism." (See Rachel's #795.)

This dispensationalist "end times" scenario is an abstract idea with 
real consequences. For example, leading members of the U.S. Congress 
work hard to derail peace negotiations between Arabs and Israelis 
because they believe Israel mus

Re[2]: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier?

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo balaji, all,

I want to thank you all for the input on this.  Most interesting.  Two
things  I  know  for  sure.  I have allergies to mould and will not be
drinking  that  water  and urine is not my preferred drink even from a
perfectly  good  canteen with iodine tablets added.  It is supposed to
be  sterile  so I don't know why we had to add the iodine (in survival
school  in  the  military) because it didn't help the taste or make it
any  "safer"  to  drink  I  would think.  I hope the astronauts have a
better system than we did back in the early sixties.

I  will  now examine water filters and see what they will and will not
remove.  Thank you all again very kindly.

Happy Happy,

Gustl

Wednesday, 21 July, 2004, 16:54:04, you wrote:

b> Hello Gustl,

b> What a happy, happy thought !  In fact, I was researching "water from air"
b> when you posted.

b> As for quaffing the stuff directly from the humidifier, you would be well
b> advised to apply the precautionary principle here :-} and desist from
b> attempting a potentially hazardous procedure without assessing all the
b> risks,
b> considering the number of nasties such as legionella (pH 6.9-7), bacteria,
b> water treatment chemicals, dander, lint, acid, desiccants etc. etc. in the
b> dehumidifier "pond water".  As always, you are "spot on topic" and have
b> considerately set in motion a global train of thought that will stop at many
b> wayside stations in many countries.
...snip...
-- 
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth





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[biofuel] A conversation: Earth oil versus plant oil.

[jkolling]

 Original Message 

> who wants nauseating oil when there are so many better alternatives?

There are?


 Original Message 

Yop,

The ORIGINAL diesel, namely plant oils (that was the idea of the diesel
motor inventor, actually. And then some sadist came along and converted
the rotten black carbon mush for the plant oils) (the rotten carbon
mush, I M O should only be used as an alternative, and not very much,
but now that it has been overused; then not at all ;))

Electricity: solar, wind, water, charge some batteries. Batteries keep
getting smaller and more powerful, if it is possible to make a car run
like that now, and it is, imagine what will happen over time.

Oh, and just many, many more, i believe you all know some of them

besides only these two. ;)


 Original Message 

> But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel
> AND grow food at the same time?

i'm not a scientist, statician, mathematician, ecologist, botanist.
they would have to get together to figure it out.

but . i  did   forget to add that hemp seems to produce at nice
quantities easily,   andthere are many resources for it, other
oils, olive, mustard seed,  cabbage seed, sunflower, etc etc etc

if actual researchers, scientists, inventors etc are actually aren't
actually more supported intead of suppressed, it's earth gone bye bye

as far as oil pollution and vehicle-on-oil depence is concerned.


 Original Message 

> But you're still dependant on oil to manufacture all of the above. 

Nuh. Only because it's been researched what all can be done with oil
and it's wastes, can do that with many things and even other things.


 Original Message 

> But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based 
> fuel
> AND grow food at the same time? 

Use a bit of the earth oil and stuff for non-combusted skincream, 
plastic, pharma-lovin, etc,
for folks like you, if desired.

so oil will be the alternative. and used very sparingly, like it should. 
Sounds  wiser  at least. ;o)

 Original Message 

By the way, while opposing your claim c.q. question,
i know that no one knows this in any reasonable way, yet. that includes 
you ofcourse also.
yet the scaremongering and dismissal are (trying to) set a tone (single 
business is single business) and on the other hand the free/serious 
thinkers and strivers are giving it a minimal try.

In the way that some people are paid to look into one direction only 
(find ways to dismiss this (much like bush and the land/people of iraq / 
saddam ass-ein (they could be true loverboys by the way, bush and 
hussein, they make a great compatible pair)))
I do think that this division will remain, for as long as there is no 
majority to support either (inside your country or even your country 
against other countries, or eveb your country with other countries)
or   if there is a powerstructure that does not listen to what people 
want even if it is virtually all of them (a la hussein, but he's not an 
example to follow, is he? or should we  SEE HOW   GOOD WE 
ARE BY COMPARING OURSELVES TO SOMEONE WHO IS ONLY A TAD BIT WORSE? that 
could be one's motivation, ofcourse
Excuse the caps, it's the nicest sentence of the lot. ;)

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Re: [biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel

[Tilapia]

The most effective antioxidants for biodiesel are the same you find in 
breakfast cereal packaging, namely BHA and BHT.   A mixture of the two works 
even 
better. Now you can buy premixed antioxidants from companies such as Kodak. It 
only takes a few ppm to make a dramatic impact on shelf life of biodiesel.   
For you natural granola types, citric acid can easily double the shelf life of 
biodiesel.   The most effective method is to keep it in an airtight container. 
Also, dry biodiesel is far more stable.   If this is not possible, such as 
being in a standard fuel tank somewhere which must be vented, then the NBB 
recommends using the biodiesel within 6 months.   These preservatives will make 
this 
last two to four times as long without serious oxidation. You should also 
know that biodiesel made from recycled yellow grease lasts approximately twice 
as 
long as biodiesel made from virgin soy oil.

Tom Leue


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> Anyone had any experience using some inert gas such as nitrogen to prevent
> oxidation of stored biodiesel? Perhaps some sort of oxygen absorber? If 
> there
> isn't any oxygen in contact with the biodiesel perhaps it would increase 
> storage
> life.How might this affect algae growth?
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Re: [biofuel] Re: In the market

[bob allen]

try cars.com.  used the advanced search in used cars.  you can specify 
diesel, price limit, distance willing to go, etc. 


rob crowley wrote:

>hi stone,
>
>someone sold a small isuzu diesel pickup in our small west texas 
>community a year or two ago for about $3000.  it struck me as a good 
>candidate for biodiesel.  keep looking!
>
>rob
>
>
>Brian wrote:
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>>Every once in a while, you can find a decent deal on a VW diesel 
>>pickup (Rabbit frame) on e-bay.  Alternately, I know that there are 
>>a number of VW groups on the web that might help point you in the 
>>right direction.  Being partial to VWs, that is where I would 
>>start.  I am sure that there are plenty of others around with other 
>>ideas, as well.
>>
>>Brian
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>>>* Price between $0 and $3000
>>>* In Boston or Chicago areas
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[biofuel] Integrated processing of lignocellulosic biomass!

[pan ruti]

Green  appropriate Biomass Refinery  for  food and fuel microenterprise Part 
1:Pretreatments methods.



Hello  to all  the members of the list.

 The   ethanol  production from cellulose is not yet an mature  real world  
technology , eventough  considerable  process improvements and tecnological 
breakthrough have been  made  in the past  three decades(1970-2004) especially 
during petroleium crysis .As  the posgraduate researcher , actively  
partcipating  in  all  the past  research  both in  India  and Brazil , I was 
not sure  earlier to  post this topic here as I  was not convinced   that  it 
is ufuel here to discuss about this topic .After  our group coordinator  Keith  
given ok to this as relevant , I  do make small report here, naturally in 
complete .  I  really  admire Keith as  our leader with mission  to make the 
information reach the poor and all  the  part of the world. We all want  the 
global word green for all ,not only for  the BIG BLUES the Corporatives .His  
reply to me that several younger generations  active one here   do  need this 
topic . I wonder ho he find  time   always  to answer to all  or themost of 
 the  question here posted , especialy to the  newer   and  the  younger 
one.Our wish is  enable all ,especially  the younger   to be envolved  and 
interested andour our group more dynamic and productive. .After reading the 
reply from Keith  about this topic, I do feel that  that  this topic canot be  
forgten here  because  the technolgy is not mature , but is  an real  critical  
bootleneck for the  next generation renewable biofuel  (ethanol)production ,but 
not hyrogen  as the big blues  wants.   Sharing my views  with all  can make 
the  younger one think , aware  and may also  solve  this critical  tecnnical 
problems ,if not now  ,surely why not  in future! This the reson 
behindtisletter.

Understanding the correct problems  can  and should  lead  us  to come  with 
correct solution  which  can make  the imaturure ,energy intensive, cost  
effective   technolgy  of  etanol making  from cheap cellusic biomass residues 
the as mature one  for us .Our wish here is all of our list  be aware of the   
the bottleneck ,problems   and  come  upwith the noval ,inovative  solution   
by debate, discussion.Several minds can break any  bootle neck and problems   
that   lay  in the way of making etanol from cheaper  raw material.



  Unlike  petroluim  refinery mega structure and business firm  , the 
biomass based enterprise need to be  small and medium  and  should envolve 
local markets,  not limited to fuel alone.We need protein food, fiber , 
fertilizer  and  fine chemicals too to make sustainable  the small refinery  
integrated to local develpment and democracy  with agriculture  and environment 
Here food versus fuel conflict need to well addressed towards  sustainability 

.Making  use of only (celluolose) fiber and paper from biomass  is an  actual  
working tecnological industrial process. . There is  also other process that  
make only  make  Chemical,Perfural(solvente)  from hemicellusoe  is yet another 
type of tecnological industrial process, Also  the process  that only   make 
use of lignin  with organosolve  for polymers are yeast protein feed  from  
hemicellulose  are approaches  that   have  been also   made possible  as  
suceesful industrial biomass projects in several countries. ,but  do not lead 
to total biomass  utilization, degrading  the other  unwanted components rarley 
reused as fuel..Here is the real problems , the novel pretreatments  should  
aviod this  process estrategy  of  partial use  of biomass, leaving themost as 
waste.

 

   There are  the three main components  of biomass,  the celluose 
,hemicelluose and  the lignin the aromatic polymer. Degrading them  involves 
energy  , chemicals and hence more costs ,but fractionation of  them without 
major degradation  can be   considereded as the  best approach,but dificult to  
achieve  , but can be  made  possible with  the  organosolve (ethanol, acetone 
,acetic acid, etyle glycol)process.Several patents, inventions ,proess details 
are   kept as top secret and valueful informations  by large  scale  Company 
and Corporatives Petroleium companies to sustain the mega scale  refinery 
concept to continue with the business aportunities using big biomass refinery 
project under  multimillion dollar proces developments  in Canada, France , 
Japan  and Australia.Nobody know who willwin independent of the  the people 
money spent by these country  little kwnown to the people.



  One approach  that is near comercail scale is the acid catalized  
organosolve pocess.Very  high temperarture  and pressure  above  180 C  when 
used , do not need atalist.Rapid depolimerization and hydrolysis  can be  
acieved by acids or alkalis  as catalyst  below 180 C.  Other organosolv 
pulping processes include the hardwood only ALCELL ¨ process which has 
undergo