[Biofuel] Re:renewable energy and fuel cells
Renewable Energy and Fuel Cells - the drive is on http://www.alternate-energy.net/renew_fuelcells04.html Hybrid solar lighting has promise for buildings http://www.columbian.com/10312004/at_home/206644.html Masda tests gas-hydrogen sports car http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6343414/ Energy Transition and Final Energy Crisis http://www.petroleumworld.com/SunOPF103104.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Distribution programs for biodiesel
Does anyone know of any Home heating oil/gas companies which have gotten involved with biodiesel and are currently using their home oil distribution infrastructure for distributing biodiesel ? Dan V ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube
Hi All. My experience with 5 minute epoxie in the acid process was not too good. I had made a fiberglass braded tube (as used for electrical insulation but not coated with silicone) into a stirrer propeller and attached it to a steel rod. It was incontact with the mix over night during and after the first acid stage. I guess the sulfuric acid attacked the epoxie cuz the whole thing turned to jelly. I had cured the epoxie for several days before use. The 5 minute stuff is not famous for durability in any case. But I would do a test on anything you planned to do in a big way. Cheers___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] BIO DIESEL FROM WASTE VEGGIE OIL IN NC
is there anyone that is converting waste veggie oil into biodiesel in nc charlotte area? I would be interested in buying some or helping start a company that does this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 133 Send Biofuel mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec (bob allen) 2. Re: C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec (Keith Addison) 3. Oil Demands Can Be Met, but at a High Price, Energy Agency Says (Keith Addison) 4. Re: C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec (John Hayes) 5. Re: Oil Demands Can Be Met, but at a High Price, Energy Agency Says (Hakan Falk) 6. Re: C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec (Keith Addison) 7. Re: Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing (Keith Addison) 8. The Future of Alternative Energy (Keith Addison) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:53:58 -0500 From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Appal Energy wrote: > Bob, > > I'm at a bit of a loss with this one. Don't suppose you would care to > qualify your opinion with something more than "quack, quack" would > you? As I recall the last time I visited the aspartame issue > (researched it for several weeks, up one side and down the other) the > problems and concerns were very real. Aspartame hasn't changed. Human > biology hasn't changed. Neither human biology nor the scientific standards of proof. Let me say first that I don't use aspertame, don't promote its use, or even think it has value in our society, oh and I don't hold any stock in or have any connection with the product. That having been said, the facts are simple . there is no scientific evidence which shows harm in the normal use of this product, with the single exception of infants diagnosed with PKU. Asking me to prove it does no harm is well nigh impossible. (the old proving a negative problem) Todd, you said you investigated the issue. What are your findings. Shouldn't the onus be on evidence of harm?What did you find, beyond testimonials and feeble speculation? Animal studies, well controlled laboratory results, Double blind trials? Where is the evidence? And I don't mean things like "aspertame contains methanol, methanol is poisonous, therefore Aspertame is poisonous". Or "the body is not used to amino acids". I have seen these arguments way too many times. Give me studies in per reviewed journals, and I will give a look see and let you know of my conclusions. > > We both know that just because something has found its way onto the > shelf and been assigned a status of "below regulatory concern" by a > very biased institutional process that doesn't somehow make reality > disappear. > > Something a little more "concrete" from someone other than Donald > Rumsfeld would serve well at the moment. Ok how about this, Some 50 plus million people here in US use it daily, why hasn't epidemiological evidence turned up harm? I was a graduate student many years back. I mention this only to point out that proving that conventional wisdom is wrong is sort of a holy grail to science researchers across the universe. If there is data to disprove the conventional wisdom that aspertame is safe as used, then why hasn't a graduate student in epidemiology found anything? > > Todd Swearingen > > > - Original Message - From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec > > >> Nothing personal to you but all I can say about Mercola is QUACK, >> QUACK. see for example his totally bogus, nonscientific diatribe >> about aspertame. It is right up there with other wackos such as >> Betty Martini. >> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7469/755#76712 >> >> >> Legal Eagle wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the links. Dr Marcola is a known specialist in his >>> field, so this should prove an interesting read. >>> Luc >>> - Original Message - From: "Dan Volker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:18 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec >>> >>> Probiotics are something I researched heavily
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube
methly ethyl ketone, a solvent for lots of plastics. MEKP is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide. It is the peroxide part which is the catalyst in the polyester formation reaction. toodles Keith Addison wrote: Hi Kevin Thanks Keith, Is the polyester resin coating something of a 'do-it-yourself' project? Sure. It's really useful stuff, we use it often. It's just glass fibre without the glass. You could use the glass matting too if you want, but I don't think it's necessary for your purpose. You need polyester resin and hardener (MEK). There's also epoxy resin, which has its uses, but I'm not sure of its resistance to the biodiesel chemicals (okay I think), and I think it's more expensive anyway. Might be worth checking, it could be easier to use, not sure, it's a long time since I used it, other than ready-made epoxy putty and glue and stuff. The mix isn't quite so critical as with polyester. There is four 1" openings on each tank, so I should be able to pour the resin (or spray) and rotate each tank for full coverage. You need to calculate how long it will take to harden, which is a matter of how much MEK you use and the ambient temperature. Hm, let's see... "12 drops MEK per ounce of resin, 11 cc per quart. Decrease 50% above 90F, increase 100% below 60F." (cc per quart???) I use 50 drops to 100 ml, or 75 drops or more per 100 ml in cold weather. Here's a chart: http://www.fibreglast.com/contentpages-freeinfo-Catalyst+Concentration +&+Equivalent+Measure+Chart-82.html Catalyst Concentration & Equivalent Measure Chart - Fibre Glast Developments If you use too much MEK it can get very hot just before it sets. It tends to set rather suddenly anyway. If you've never used it before I'd recommend doing some tests first with small amounts, not just to get the ratio right but also so you know what to expect when it comes to spreading it. Make sure the inside of the tank is clean and grease-free. Work outside or check out what sort of breathing mask you need. This might be useful: http://www.fibreglast.com/contentpages-molding+fibreglass-171.html Molding Fiberglass - Fibre Glast Developments Best wishes Keith However, I inquired further with a resin company on the internet and waiting to see what advice they have for me. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube > Hello Kevin > > >Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid > > two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. > >Here is my question(s)... > > > > Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my > > biodiesel processor is okay? > > Both NaOH and KOH react with zinc. You could try giving the tanks an > inner coating of polyester resin (glass fibre), or two coatings > maybe. It resists the biodiesel process well, including the acid-base > process. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >I plan to use this as a fumeless settling > > tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store > >the > > glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol > > recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These > >three tanks have a > > maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. > > > > However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the > > 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe > >is not available for the manifold > > etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. > > > > Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with > >galvanized > > with biodiesel production if any problems? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thank you, > > Kevin Shea > > Beacon, New York USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Jou
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube
Kevin, I'm not sure if this relates to what you are doing, but I used the POR-15 that was recommended in the JTF site with great satisfaction. I coated the inside of 2-55 gallon tanks with half a pint. I used the clear paint and it formed a "shell-like" glaze that is solid like a rock. I made sure I read all the precautions on this stuff, use a respirator. High organics. I have not had anything in the tanks as of yet though. Hopefully I can get another stage completed over Thanksgiving. Just a suggestion. Jonathan Schearer. Kevin Shea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Thanks Keith, Is the polyester resin coating something of a 'do-it-yourself' project? There is four 1" openings on each tank, so I should be able to pour the resin (or spray) and rotate each tank for full coverage. However, I inquired further with a resin company on the internet and waiting to see what advice they have for me. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube > Hello Kevin > > >Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid > > two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. > >Here is my question(s)... > > > > Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my > > biodiesel processor is okay? > > Both NaOH and KOH react with zinc. You could try giving the tanks an > inner coating of polyester resin (glass fibre), or two coatings > maybe. It resists the biodiesel process well, including the acid-base > process. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >I plan to use this as a fumeless settling > > tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store > >the > > glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol > > recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These > >three tanks have a > > maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. > > > > However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the > > 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe > >is not available for the manifold > > etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. > > > > Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with > >galvanized > > with biodiesel production if any problems? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thank you, > > Kevin Shea > > Beacon, New York USA > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube
Thanks Keith, Is the polyester resin coating something of a 'do-it-yourself' project? Sure. It's really useful stuff, we use it often. It's just glass fibre without the glass. You could use the glass matting too if you want, but I don't think it's necessary for your purpose. You need polyester resin and hardener (MEK). There's also epoxy resin, which has its uses, but I'm not sure of its resistance to the biodiesel chemicals (okay I think), and I think it's more expensive anyway. Might be worth checking, it could be easier to use, not sure, it's a long time since I used it, other than ready-made epoxy putty and glue and stuff. The mix isn't quite so critical as with polyester. There is four 1" openings on each tank, so I should be able to pour the resin (or spray) and rotate each tank for full coverage. You need to calculate how long it will take to harden, which is a matter of how much MEK you use and the ambient temperature. Hm, let's see... "12 drops MEK per ounce of resin, 11 cc per quart. Decrease 50% above 90F, increase 100% below 60F." (cc per quart???) I use 50 drops to 100 ml, or 75 drops or more per 100 ml in cold weather. Here's a chart: http://www.fibreglast.com/contentpages-freeinfo-Catalyst+Concentration +&+Equivalent+Measure+Chart-82.html Catalyst Concentration & Equivalent Measure Chart - Fibre Glast Developments If you use too much MEK it can get very hot just before it sets. It tends to set rather suddenly anyway. If you've never used it before I'd recommend doing some tests first with small amounts, not just to get the ratio right but also so you know what to expect when it comes to spreading it. Make sure the inside of the tank is clean and grease-free. Work outside or check out what sort of breathing mask you need. This might be useful: http://www.fibreglast.com/contentpages-molding+fibreglass-171.html Molding Fiberglass - Fibre Glast Developments Best wishes Keith However, I inquired further with a resin company on the internet and waiting to see what advice they have for me. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube > Hello Kevin > > >Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid > > two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. > >Here is my question(s)... > > > > Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my > > biodiesel processor is okay? > > Both NaOH and KOH react with zinc. You could try giving the tanks an > inner coating of polyester resin (glass fibre), or two coatings > maybe. It resists the biodiesel process well, including the acid-base > process. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >I plan to use this as a fumeless settling > > tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store > >the > > glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol > > recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These > >three tanks have a > > maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. > > > > However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the > > 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe > >is not available for the manifold > > etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. > > > > Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with > >galvanized > > with biodiesel production if any problems? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thank you, > > Kevin Shea > > Beacon, New York USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Even Republicans Fear Bush
Published on Sunday, October 31, 2004 by The Nation Even Republicans Fear Bush by John Nichols The most divisive election campaign in recent American history has not merely split the nation along party lines, it has split the Grand Old Party itself. Unfortunately, most Americans are wholly unaware of the loud dissents against Bush that has begun to be heard in Republican circles. If the United States had major media that covered politics, as opposed to the political spin generated by the Bush White House and the official campaigns of both the Republican president and his Democratic challenger, one of the most fascinating, and significant, stories of the 2004 election season would be the abandonment of the Bush reelection effort by senior Republicans. But this is a story that, for the most part, has gone untold. Scant attention was paid to the revelation that one Republican member of the U.S. Senate, Rhode Island's Lincoln Chafee, will refrain from voting for his party's president -- despite the fact that Chafee offered a far more thoughtful critique of George W. Bush's presidency than "Zig-Zag" Zell Miller, the frothing, Democrat-hating Democrat did when he condemned his party's nominee. Beyond the minimal attention to Chafee, most media has neglected the powerful, and often poignant, condemnations of Bush by prominent Republicans. Former Republican members of the U.S. Senate and House, governors, ambassadors, aides to GOP Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush have explicitly endorsed the campaign of Democrat John Kerry. For many of these lifelong Republicans, their vote for Kerry will be a first Democratic vote. But, in most cases, it will not be a hesitant one. Angered by the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq, record deficits, assaults on the environment and secrecy, the renegade partisans tend to echo the words of former Minnesota Governor Elmer Andersen, who says that, "Although I am a longtime Republican, it is time to make a statement, and it is this: Vote for Kerry-Edwards, I implore you, on November 2." Many of the Republicans who are abandoning Bush express sorrow at what the Bush-Cheney administration and its allies in Congress have done to their party: "The fact is that today's 'Republican' Party is one that I am totally unfamiliar with," writes John Eisenhower. But the deeper motivation is summed up by former U.S. Senator Marlow Cook, a Kentucky Republican, who explained in a recent article for the Louisville Courier-Journal newspaper that, "For me, as a Republican, I feel that when my party gives me a dangerous leader who flouts the truth, takes the country into an undeclared war and then adds a war on terrorism to it without debate by the Congress, we have a duty to rid ourselves of those who are taking our country on a perilous ride in the wrong direction. If we are indeed the party of Lincoln (I paraphrase his words), a president who deems to have the right to declare war at will without the consent of the Congress is a president who far exceeds his power under our Constitution. I will take John Kerry for four years to put our country on the right path." In the end, of course, the vast majority of Republicans will cast their ballots for George w. Bush on Tuesday, just as the vast majority of Democrats will vote for John Kerry. But the Republicans who plan to cross the partisan divide and vote for Kerry have articulated a unique and politically potent indictment of the Bush administration. Here are a dozen examples of what Republicans are saying about George W. Bush -- and John Kerry -- as the November 2 election approaches: "As son of a Republican president, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration's decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry." -- Ambassador John Eisenhower, endorsing Kerry in an opinion piece published in The Manchester Union Leader, September 28, 2004. "The two 'Say No to Bush' signs in my yard say it all. The present Republican president has led us into an unjustified war -- based on misguided and blatantly false misrepresentations of the threat of weapons of mass destruction. The terror seat was Afghanistan. Iraq had no connection to these acts of terror and was not a serious threat to the United States, as this president claimed, and there was no relation, it's now obvious, to any serious weaponry. Although Saddam Hussein is a frightful tyrant, he posed no threat to the United States when we entered the war. George W. Bush's arrogant actions to jump into Iraq when he had no plan how to get out have alienated the United States from
[Biofuel] Exxon's profit up 56 percent
Bradenton Herald Posted on Fri, Oct. 29, 2004 Exxon's profit up 56 percent DIANNE SOLIS Knight Ridder Tribune Business News DALLAS - Record prices for crude oil and natural gas lifted third-quarter profit 56 percent at Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company. Net income was $5.68 billion, or 88 cents a share, from $3.65 billion, or 55 cents a share, in the year-earlier period. That included a $550 million charge to cover exposure from a class-action lawsuit won by Florida gasoline dealers. Revenue jumped 28 percent to $76.37 billion, from $59.84 billion in the year-earlier period. Despite oil prices that have averaged slightly above $40 a barrel for the year, Exxon Mobil, based in Irving, Texas, said capital and exploration spending would be flat for 2005. The company has already pulled back from 2003 levels in the first nine months of 2004. Thursday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, U.S. benchmark crude fell 27 cents to $50.64. On Tuesday, it traded at $55.17, a new high. Exxon Mobil shares fell 34 cents Thursday to close at $48.61 a share, reflecting the muting effect of falling oil prices. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
http://www.rense.com/general59/diebold.htm Luc And also this: http://www.alternet.org/election04/20349/ Getting Physical By Tom Hayden, AlterNet. Posted November 1, 2004. And this: http://www.alternet.org/election04/20359/ Bullies Ascendent By Nina Burleigh, AlterNet. Posted November 1, 2004. Anyway, John, strength to your arm and the best of good luck. Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: "John Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Aaron Speiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barbara Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bonnie Monroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "brian abbott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chris Yokum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ellen Baer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harold Flomerfelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jen Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lauralee Harner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lucas Madar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Natan Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nicholas H Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sam Awry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "System" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go 25 hours till the polls open in Ohio, 38 hours until it is all over. It is 5:30 AM and I am awake and starting day three of the most exciting and powerful social interaction of my life. For those of you who don't know I am in Columbus OH volunteering on MoveonPAC's leave no voter behind campaign. This campaign is the most organized chaos I have ever experienced. When I arrived on Saturday morning I was handed a list of 440 names and told that they were my precinct and that I was to go out and knock on every door, find volunteers where possible to help, and make sure that every Kerry supporter got to the polls on election day. after a strong day of knocking on approximately 200 doors, talking with nearly 50 residents, and identifying my first 25 kerry supporters and 4 volunteers I came back to the office to enter my data, after meeting with my organizer I discovered that I was duplicating efforts with another woman who had already arranged 10 other volunteers and had them out canvasing. she was, however, unreachable. I pushed on because I knew that these 72 hours were the most important of the election, there wasn't time to slow down and figure out what was going on; it would figure itself out. the Columbus dispatch ran a poll yesterday that split oho right down the middle, out of 2880 voters there was an 8 voter divide, it is being said that the area bound by interstate 270 is going to decide this years election. everyone is here, ACT, the republicans, the sierra club, moveon, the DNC, we are all working the same streets, we know that bush's camp is organized and relentless and we are vying for the same electoral votes, we need to be strong and dedicated. halfway through day 2 I finally met my precinct leader, she and I are now co-leaders. for perspective I want to describe the demographics of my precinct. in the south west there is ferndale place and mayfield place, they are the north east edge of an incredibly poor neighborhood. there is very little education, the cars are from the '80s and are mostly broken down, accident victims that barely move any more. then we move north and east and we get into the student neighborhood, capital university's students occupy nearly half of Charles st, village creek drive, Sheridan ave, college ave, and the corresponding cross streets up to main (3,500 feet) the students for a sort of gradient with the middle class, cars are newer but a few years old, the lawns and houses are taken care of, there are Bexley soccer signs in the yards, this continues all the way to eauclaire ave (2600 feet from the western edge of my precinct). on the northern border is main street. on the other side of main is one of the most affluent neighborhoods that I have ever been in. all the cars are new, the houses are palatial, everyone looks like the women cook in heels and the men carry around billfolds with wads of $100 bills in them, even the dogs look perfect. it is the most striking divide I have ever seen. you can stand on main street and look south and the first house is a small brick building with 4 apartments in it and then turn to the north and the first house is larger than the apartment building but it is only a single family. my co-leader lives just north of main. so we are finally together, I spent 5 hours yesterday (while our volunteers were out knocking on doors) collecting the list of all of the doors in Bexley (our precinct) that are likely to be fruitful and marking it up with all of the data that everyone has collected. now it comes time for probably the most important day of this whole campaign. this is our last chance to identify kerry supporters before election day. we have 550 doors to hit and I am trying to bring our team together and hit every one of them be
Re: [Biofuel]Palestinian children in Israeli crosshairs
Palestinian children in Israeli crosshairs By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank Saturday 30 October 2004, 18:19 Makka Time, 15:19 GMT Since 1 October the number of children killed has climbed to 33 The Palestinian Authority has accused Israel of making the killing of Palestinian school children by the occupation army a daily occurrence while calling on the world to put an end to the practice. "Every day they murder one or two Palestinian children on their way to school," Palestinian Deputy Foreign Minister Abd Allah Abd Allah said. "It is becoming a gruesome daily routine and Israel, as you see, is interested more in concocting and inventing lies to justify the murder than in stopping it." He told Aljazeera.net that the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian people were increasingly frustrated by the international community's failure to force Israel to stop the killing of Palestinian children. Abd Allah said: "I am afraid that much of the international community has reached the nadir of its morality. What else explains this deadly silence and indifference in the face of the daily killings of our children? "I wonder how many of our children will have to be riddled by Israeli bullets before there is an awakening of the world's conscience." Unequal contest Abd Allah's remarks coincided with the killing by Israel of another Palestinian child in the northern West Bank town of Jenin. Palestinian sources and witnesses said Israeli soldiers manning armed personnel carriers opened fire on a group of school children who reportedly had hurled stones at Israeli tanks. An Israeli army spokesman said soldiers opened fire after "somebody" fired from the direction of the children. A witness contested the Israeli account. "I was there, I saw no firing, I heard no firing. The only people who were firing were the Israeli occupation soldiers," Fadi Nazzal, a Palestinian from the nearby town of Kabatya, told Aljazeera.net. He said the Israeli soldiers opened fire on children whose stone throwing had in no way put Israeli troops at risk. Nazzal added: "The children were hurling stones from a long distance. The stones didn't hit the armoured vehicles. But even if stones were hurled at these huge tanks, would that justify executing children in this manner?" Firing through fog On Thursday 28 October, Israeli soldiers manning a watchtower opposite the Khan Yunus refugee camp, south of Gaza City, opened fire at school children, killing eight-year-old Ranya Iyad Aram. Hospital sources said a stray bullet hit Aram in the neck, killing her on the spot. The Israeli army admitted that soldiers were "firing through heavy fog" towards Palestinian neighbourhoods to forestall "possible" firing of mortar shells by Palestinian resistance fighters. The army said: "The IDF opened machine-gun fire towards the Palestinian areas from which Palestinian regularly fire mortar fire. Apparently, one of the bullets hit the child. We are sorry about it." 'State terror' PA minister Abd Allah Abd Allah says an army that fires heavy machine-gun fire through fog in civilian areas actually intends to kill civilians. "This is Israel's state terror. When troops open fire randomly on crowded streets and schools just because somebody had fired a mortar shell from these areas many days ago, it is murder, it is terror." However, Israeli army spokesman Eitan Arusi rejected Abd Allah's view. "We are the most moral army in the world. Look at what the Russians are doing in Chechnya, it is a huge carnage there. The Israeli Defence Forces are trying as much as humanly possible to avoid harming civilians," he said. "Don't blame the soldiers, blame the terrorists who operate in the midst of Palestinian population centres." People brutalised Hamas spokesman in Gaza, Mushir al-Masri, dismissed what he called Arusi's "corrupt reasoning". "The Palestinian resistance fighters happen to be in their own homes, towns, streets," he said. "They are defending their children and women from this Nazi-like military occupation which is brutalising and savaging an entire people in ways unprecedented since the second world war." Earlier this month, the Israeli army killed two school girls, one in Rafah in southern Gaza and the other in central Gaza. Since the beginning of October, as many as 33 Palestinian children and minors under 17 have been killed by the Israeli army. All in all, nearly 158 Palestinians, the bulk of them civilians, were killed in October. During the same period, the Israeli army lost three soldiers. The frequency of killing Palestinian children and civilians by the Israeli army has aroused suspicions within Israeli judicial circles over the credibility of the army's accounts and investigations into the deaths. Distraction Last week an Israeli officer who in October shot a 12-year-old Palestinian child in Rafah in southern Gaza 20 times to ascertain that she was dead, was arrested briefly on
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site
I would go to this site for information http://www.westsystem.com/ Their prices can be beat elsewhere but they have a projects section that has some useful DIY pages. >Thanks Keith, >Is the polyester resin coating something of a 'do-it-yourself' project? >There is four 1" openings on each tank, so I should be able to pour the >resin (or spray) and rotate each tank for full coverage. > >However, I inquired further with a resin company on the internet and waiting >to see what advice they have for me. > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube
Thanks Keith, Is the polyester resin coating something of a 'do-it-yourself' project? There is four 1" openings on each tank, so I should be able to pour the resin (or spray) and rotate each tank for full coverage. However, I inquired further with a resin company on the internet and waiting to see what advice they have for me. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tankw/site tube > Hello Kevin > > >Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid > > two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. > >Here is my question(s)... > > > > Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my > > biodiesel processor is okay? > > Both NaOH and KOH react with zinc. You could try giving the tanks an > inner coating of polyester resin (glass fibre), or two coatings > maybe. It resists the biodiesel process well, including the acid-base > process. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >I plan to use this as a fumeless settling > > tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store > >the > > glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol > > recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These > >three tanks have a > > maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. > > > > However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the > > 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe > >is not available for the manifold > > etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. > > > > Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with > >galvanized > > with biodiesel production if any problems? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thank you, > > Kevin Shea > > Beacon, New York USA > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tank w/site tube
Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. Here is my question(s)... Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my biodiesel processor is okay? Both NaOH and KOH react with zinc. You could try giving the tanks an inner coating of polyester resin (glass fibre), or two coatings maybe. It resists the biodiesel process well, including the acid-base process. Best wishes Keith I plan to use this as a fumeless settling tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store the glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These three tanks have a maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe is not available for the manifold etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with galvanized with biodiesel production if any problems? Any ideas? Thank you, Kevin Shea Beacon, New York USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
http://www.rense.com/general59/diebold.htm Luc - Original Message - From: "John Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Aaron Speiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barbara Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bonnie Monroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "brian abbott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chris Yokum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ellen Baer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harold Flomerfelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jen Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lauralee Harner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lucas Madar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Natan Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nicholas H Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sam Awry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "System" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go 25 hours till the polls open in Ohio, 38 hours until it is all over. It is 5:30 AM and I am awake and starting day three of the most exciting and powerful social interaction of my life. For those of you who don't know I am in Columbus OH volunteering on MoveonPAC's leave no voter behind campaign. This campaign is the most organized chaos I have ever experienced. When I arrived on Saturday morning I was handed a list of 440 names and told that they were my precinct and that I was to go out and knock on every door, find volunteers where possible to help, and make sure that every Kerry supporter got to the polls on election day. after a strong day of knocking on approximately 200 doors, talking with nearly 50 residents, and identifying my first 25 kerry supporters and 4 volunteers I came back to the office to enter my data, after meeting with my organizer I discovered that I was duplicating efforts with another woman who had already arranged 10 other volunteers and had them out canvasing. she was, however, unreachable. I pushed on because I knew that these 72 hours were the most important of the election, there wasn't time to slow down and figure out what was going on; it would figure itself out. the Columbus dispatch ran a poll yesterday that split oho right down the middle, out of 2880 voters there was an 8 voter divide, it is being said that the area bound by interstate 270 is going to decide this years election. everyone is here, ACT, the republicans, the sierra club, moveon, the DNC, we are all working the same streets, we know that bush's camp is organized and relentless and we are vying for the same electoral votes, we need to be strong and dedicated. halfway through day 2 I finally met my precinct leader, she and I are now co-leaders. for perspective I want to describe the demographics of my precinct. in the south west there is ferndale place and mayfield place, they are the north east edge of an incredibly poor neighborhood. there is very little education, the cars are from the '80s and are mostly broken down, accident victims that barely move any more. then we move north and east and we get into the student neighborhood, capital university's students occupy nearly half of Charles st, village creek drive, Sheridan ave, college ave, and the corresponding cross streets up to main (3,500 feet) the students for a sort of gradient with the middle class, cars are newer but a few years old, the lawns and houses are taken care of, there are Bexley soccer signs in the yards, this continues all the way to eauclaire ave (2600 feet from the western edge of my precinct). on the northern border is main street. on the other side of main is one of the most affluent neighborhoods that I have ever been in. all the cars are new, the houses are palatial, everyone looks like the women cook in heels and the men carry around billfolds with wads of $100 bills in them, even the dogs look perfect. it is the most striking divide I have ever seen. you can stand on main street and look south and the first house is a small brick building with 4 apartments in it and then turn to the north and the first house is larger than the apartment building but it is only a single family. my co-leader lives just north of main. so we are finally together, I spent 5 hours yesterday (while our volunteers were out knocking on doors) collecting the list of all of the doors in Bexley (our precinct) that are likely to be fruitful and marking it up with all of the data that everyone has collected. now it comes time for probably the most important day of this whole campaign. this is our last chance to identify kerry supporters before election day. we have 550 doors to hit and I am trying to bring our team together and hit every one of them between 4PM and 9PM. we have an excellent team, renee (my co-leader) has been at this for three weeks and it really seems like she is worn out so I bring fresh energy to the team. there is a ton of energy on this campaign. it is driven by young people who care, I have never seen so many of them in one place before. even though the work is h
[Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
is 5:30 AM and I am awake and starting day three of the most exciting and powerful social interaction of my life. For those of you who don't know I am in Columbus OH volunteering on MoveonPAC's leave no voter behind campaign. This campaign is the most organized chaos I have ever experienced. When I arrived on Saturday morning I was handed a list of 440 names and told that they were my precinct and that I was to go out and knock on every door, find volunteers where possible to help, and make sure that every Kerry supporter got to the polls on election day. after a strong day of knocking on approximately 200 doors, talking with nearly 50 residents, and identifying my first 25 kerry supporters and 4 volunteers I came back to the office to enter my data, after meeting with my organizer I discovered that I was duplicating efforts with another woman who had already arranged 10 other volunteers and had them out canvasing. she was, however, unreachable. I pushed on because I knew that these 72 hours were the most important of the election, there wasn't time to slow down and figure out what was going on; it would figure itself out. the Columbus dispatch ran a poll yesterday that split oho right down the middle, out of 2880 voters there was an 8 voter divide, it is being said that the area bound by interstate 270 is going to decide this years election. everyone is here, ACT, the republicans, the sierra club, moveon, the DNC, we are all working the same streets, we know that bush's camp is organized and relentless and we are vying for the same electoral votes, we need to be strong and dedicated. halfway through day 2 I finally met my precinct leader, she and I are now co-leaders. for perspective I want to describe the demographics of my precinct. in the south west there is ferndale place and mayfield place, they are the north east edge of an incredibly poor neighborhood. there is very little education, the cars are from the '80s and are mostly broken down, accident victims that barely move any more. then we move north and east and we get into the student neighborhood, capital university's students occupy nearly half of Charles st, village creek drive, Sheridan ave, college ave, and the corresponding cross streets up to main (3,500 feet) the students for a sort of gradient with the middle class, cars are newer but a few years old, the lawns and houses are taken care of, there are Bexley soccer signs in the yards, this continues all the way to eauclaire ave (2600 feet from the western edge of my precinct). on the northern border is main street. on the other side of main is one of the most affluent neighborhoods that I have ever been in. all the cars are new, the houses are palatial, everyone looks like the women cook in heels and the men carry around billfolds with wads of $100 bills in them, even the dogs look perfect. it is the most striking divide I have ever seen. you can stand on main street and look south and the first house is a small brick building with 4 apartments in it and then turn to the north and the first house is larger than the apartment building but it is only a single family. my co-leader lives just north of main. so we are finally together, I spent 5 hours yesterday (while our volunteers were out knocking on doors) collecting the list of all of the doors in Bexley (our precinct) that are likely to be fruitful and marking it up with all of the data that everyone has collected. now it comes time for probably the most important day of this whole campaign. this is our last chance to identify kerry supporters before election day. we have 550 doors to hit and I am trying to bring our team together and hit every one of them between 4PM and 9PM. we have an excellent team, renee (my co-leader) has been at this for three weeks and it really seems like she is worn out so I bring fresh energy to the team. there is a ton of energy on this campaign. it is driven by young people who care, I have never seen so many of them in one place before. even though the work is hard and success isn't guaranteed, and no one has slept in weeks, everyone seems really excited and alive. they are alive in a way that I haven't found in other groups, we know that there is something wrong with the world and we are doing everything that we can to do something about that. everyone here seems convinced that I know what I am doing but the secret is that I am driven by boundless raw enthusiasm. I have no idea what is going on. all I know is that four more years of the same would be a catastrophe and although the majority of America feels the same way as I do the ones that agree are less likely to get out and vote tomorrow, that is why I am awake at 5:30 AM after working from 8:00AM until 11:30PM yesterday and 9:00 until 5:30 on Saturday (followed by a rally from 7:00 until 10:00). that is why I drove 8 hours to come here and do this. that is why I haven't slept m
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Dear Peggy, Your OSWEC generator - where can I read up more? Any website to refer? Thanks. Cheers, CS Chua Hello CS, I sent your email message to the president of AquaMagnetics, one of the inventors who is also a NASA engineer. As soon as he tells me what information he would like to share, I'll send it on. I do know that they have a variety of generator models that produce hydrogen and the process is patented in here in the US. The original design works best with a two meter wave. Then they built a deep ocean model that can run continuously in a deep water ocean current. And now, their buoys are being designed for a joint purpose--to generate hydrogen and to light the buoys. Whenever the development team is properly funded they will be able to rapidly place their generators in strategic locations. One excellent location could be on oil rigs. They could function without hampering the oil production work. Many rigs are being torched right now. If any of you has access to an oil rig, we would be very interested in using it for a demonstration. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] trash pile,
i wass wrong, inertialll equity and centraifuagl forsces are not in balannnce untill 22800 miles, geostationaryy,,,any closer and your trash pile would needdd velociciaty to maintain orbvit, now for the enginering feat ofa the milleania desisgne a conveyor to deliver your tomatooo cans to the top ofhte trash heap, http://www.google.com/search?&q=beanstalk+orbit I'm not sure who originally called it a "Beanstalk", but the first place I encountered the term was in Robert Heinlein's book "Friday". See also: "Tether Propulsion", and "Space Elevator". AP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=603&bulletin_ID=48 #520 - Brain Cancer Update I will see if I can track down the literature and see what basis the of the claim "may cause brain cancer" is. data for the supposition that aspertame may cause brain cancer (reference 10) dates to the early nineties. Surely in ten years there should be more conclusive results. :-) "Of course we know now..." This is no more valid than me saying handling biodiesel causes cancer- give me time and I will show conclusively that some individuals who handle biodiesel get cancer. Does than make it a risk How come you're giving it that slant, Bob, *before* you've checked the reference? For the simple fact that I can extract nothing from the title itself and need to look at the article in total before judging. The title of both articles asks a question. the answer, if contained therein may be no, may be yes. If I had good evidence of harm, I think I would title it differently [10] John W. Olney and others, "Increasing Brain Tumor Rates: Is There a Link to Aspartame?" JOURNAL OF NEUROPATHOLOGY AND EXPERIMENTAL NEUROLOGY Vol. 55, No. 11 (November 1996), pgs. 1115-1123. And see: H.J. Roberts, "Does Aspartame Cause Human Brain Cancer?" JOURNAL OF ADVANCEMENT IN MEDICINE Vol. 4, No. 4 (Winter 1991), pgs. 231-241. And see: Russell L. Blaylock, EXCITOTOXINS; THE TASTE THAT KILLS (Santa Fe, N.M.: Health Press [P.O. Drawer 1388, Santa Fe, N.M. 87504], 1994). Two peer-reviewed journals, jolly good - have faith. Best and the best to you to. Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistry http://ozarker.org/bob Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of The Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly,10 December 1948: ~~~ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Actually Bob, I find the standard method of examination, acceptance
and "licensure" as conducted by the medical, chemical, scientific,
industrial and regulatory communities in general to be perfectly
flawed for two reasons. The first is precisely due to the premise that
you suggest, that "the onus be on evidence of harm."
As soon as I sent the preceding statement I should not have. I agree
with you that when dealing with the unknown, that the burden of proof
should be to prove safety. That having been said, the context from
which I am talking is simply that I understand the chemistry and
metabolism of the material and from my perspective they raise no flags.
Also, the product has been in use by large numbers of folks for some
time with little evidence of risk. Common sense tells me I am not going
to sweat it. Life is full of risks and I don't see this as a big one.
Is it neccessary to point to the literally thousands of instances
where "evidence of harm" has been discovered long after "absence of
evidence" was sufficient cause for peer/regulatory acceptance and
public release of a material, chemical or drug? Or would you care for
me to point out the literally thousands of instances of effort to
discredit, downplay or hide incidents and/or revelations of harm well
after peer and regulatory acceptance and public release? Or should you
be directed to the literally thousands of instances where evidence of
harm has been manipulated to the appearance of being diminutive, or
"statistically insignificant" or withheld altogether from peer,
regulatory and public review?
Ok, lets say I agree to your standard of absolute proof of safety before
proceeding with anything "new" When do we assume that a particular
activity or exposure posesses a low enough risk to get on with our lives?
No Bob, when delving into the world of the dieties, the onus should be
on proof of absence, not absence of proof. "Proof" all too often takes
far more than a two year clincial study on adulterated lab mice -
frequently years, a generation or more to become self-evident. This,
of course, you well know.
The second flaw is universal embrace of "acceptable risk" (at the
regulatory, industrial and scientific levels) and the
institution/application of both the acceptance and the risk in the
public sector where there is no need for either to be present.
Aspartame, no different than saccharine, became the "cure all" pill
for a complacent society that increasingly has given up on lifestyles
that include moderate amounts of exercise ("hard work" is not a
substitute for physical exertion) and dietary discipline. As a result
of the economic exploitation to be derived from that cash cow, half or
more of a global society has now been and is continually being exposed
to a chemical that is virtually needless and has been proven to be
useless as a curative, in light of the fact that per capita caloric
consumption has risen, not declined, in western societies since the
infusion of aspartame into the marketplace.
you are preaching to choir again, Todd. I agree that it has little or
value. I am trying to address relative risk.
There are actually two other flaws in the logic both you and John
Hayes would apparently care to apply, or perhaps not apply. The first
is that not every person's physiology is duplicit, which in turn
demands that not everyone is going to react duplicitly to the same set
of inputs, much less varying sets of inputs - erego the "practice" of
medicine. Oddly enough, professionals ranging from engineers, to
doctors, to lawyers to science in general attempt to leverage opinion
and acceptance using their supposed vast arrays of knowledge in
comparison to those who have not been inundated under similar
regimens. Yet on the other hand, these same professionals and
institututions of such superior training are the first to fall back on
the excuses that can be derived from the unknown.
I am well aware of idosyncratic reactions.
All rather queer how in one venue/conversation their opinions are to
be accepted as absolute, yet in the very next breath the expectation
is that they be given full lattitude for error based upon what isn't
known.
thats life, its imperfect.
Relative to the gene that converts phenylalanine to tyrosine, there
are over 100 mutations.
actually it is an enzyme , not a gene.
The corresponding conversion rate is zero to normal. For science,
medical, regulatory and industry "professionals" to declare aspartame
as being "safe," when it has the incumbent ability to affect in a less
than positive manner to some degree or another a broad spectrum of the
body public - not just specifically one sector deficient of a precise
amount of ability/inability to process phenylalanine - is
irresponsible, perhaps even criminal.
Gee, that is a pretty broad indictment. The problem is that this
argument is applicable to any sub
Re: [Biofuel] Framing the Issues
Something I've been noticeing as the election approaches: If Americans were actually allowed to UNIFY behind the issues that they agree upon, regardless of how those issues were spun by the two parties, they could actually CHANGE the system in ways that the oligarchy in charge wouldn't like. Have you ever wondered why polls (and elections) are so CLOSE? OK, it's partly gerrymandering to try to balance the parties out in every region -- even more, I'm thinking, it's that issues have been strategically lumped together under the same (opposite) banners, such that neither party actually stands for something that a clear majority wants. Thus, the status quo is preserved.-K Yes, I've noticed this. The Republicans are in bed with the religious right. The Democrats are in bed with the gun control lobby. On many other issues the two sides are so alike that people have taken to calling them the Demicans and the Republicrats. The Democrats try to out republican the Republicans on tax and economic issues. The Republicans try to out democrat the Democrats on social issues. Both sides claim to "speak for the common man", when in fact both sides are headed by ivy leaguers who have no idea how the "common man" thinks. No matter how you slice it there is always some bathwater with the baby. One of the things I get the biggest kick out of is the issue of religion. Bush and Kerry are both crowing about how devout they are, and each is plainly trying to show just how Christian he is. (Note the capital "C".) If it weren't such a serious issue it would almost be comical. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Oil Barons Are Happy
Is it a coincidence that there is new explorations going on in the oil industry, or do the high prices have something to do with it ? Canada had, until now, backed away from further exploration claiming it was "too expensive". Well, I guess they found some money recently huh? Canada foresees record drilling http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/energy/2874621 Indeed. I find it interesting that The Shrub is telling people here in Florida that "there will be no more drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico", while the administration would be more than happy to drill holes all over ANWR in Alaska. Could it be that Florida has a LOT more electoral votes than Alaska? Could it be that 17 million people are a lot more difficult to push around than 600,000 people? AP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anybody in central Florida making biodiesel?
Hi, Since i have several trucks, and a tractor that run on diesel was looking at whether anyone near me makes biodiesel and seeing how you are making, etc. Thanks, Where in Florida are you? I'm in St. Petersburg. Ward Oil in Tampa has biodiesel, but I forget who their manufacturer is. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel output to galvanized settling tank w/site tube
Currently I process BD as single-stage, but hope to grow into the acid two-stage down-the-line. My reactor is the "Girl Mark" fumeless model.. Here is my question(s)... Wondering if I can use three sealed 82 gal sealed galvenized tanks in my biodiesel processor is okay? I plan to use this as a fumeless settling tank, a second 82 gal tank as a biodiesel wash tank and a third to store the glycerin & byproduct to later pump back to the reactor for methanol recovery. (all tanks have pressure release valves for safety) These three tanks have a maximum pressure of 125 PSI, so they are strong. However, I've read in "Girl Marks" fumeless processor, she frowns on the 3/4" galvanized plumbing (but does not explain why), but since black pipe is not available for the manifold etc,., we have no choice in some of the components to go with galvanized.. Can I use these galvanized tank in my process...or what is the deal with galvanized with biodiesel production if any problems? Any ideas? Thank you, Kevin Shea Beacon, New York USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
