Re: [Biofuel]RE John McCutcheon
John's web page: http://www.folkmusic.com/ A subpage of his site with MP3s and lyrics of unreleased songs [subversive!] http://www.folkmusic.com/t_mp3.htm A page from his tour managers: http://www.music-tree.com/mccutcheon.html Here's a revealing interview from several years ago; http://www.hornpipe.com/hp/mccut.htm Enjoy! [my Google came up with 48300 hits] Wynn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0452-2, 12/23/2004 Tested on: 12/25/2004 1:14:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18...
for "Christmas in the Trenches by John McCutcheon" and that is what it turned up amongst the results. No real effort involved :-) There is now a spun version of this on another site where I have emailed the webmaster and informed him of the plagerism. Credit to whom credit is due ect. Luc - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18... And for those who would like to hear the whole thing and then purchase the CD here it is: http://www.rounder.com/index.php?id=album.php&catalog_id=6088 Luc - Original Message - From: "Wynn S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18... Dear Gustl, And the List, Christmas in the Trenches by John McCutcheon I hope all of you will like this enough to find his CD and buy it. As good as the text poem is, his rendition in the song is even better. I know John, we are members of the same Quaker Meeting. I have the Greatest Respect for this man! This song is an expression of what the man is. He is a gentle, generous person, and a loving husband and father. Also, a true and accomplished artist. May the spirit of this song spread through out the world, Wynn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0452-2, 12/23/2004 Tested on: 12/24/2004 10:23:35 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile
Actually, I thought it was obvious. If we took a look at the way the laws and justice system today would be applied to those times, this is ever so likely the way things would go. Unfortunate. Cheers and Merry Ho Ho (if it so applies). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: December 25, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile Sorry , I fail to see where political correctness appears in this little story. I see the religious part, but that's about all. Brian BRIAN THOMAS - Original Message - From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile Hi All, Just to ease any post-Christmas blues out there, here's a look at what might happen if our prevailing PC climate tightened somewhat. A HYPOTHETICAL CASE What if we were to take political correctness to its logical conclusion? Would we have court cases in which otherwise very exemplary people, and perhaps even former heroes and world leaders, were pilloried? Let look at a hypothetical case. Here the names Beelzebub, Lucifer, Mephistopheles and Old Nick all appear as different people but in fact they all refer to one person, or rather entity, the Evil One himself. Some of this may appear a bit sacrilegious but it is in fact a morality tale. Imagine you have just opened your daily newspaper and found the following. I have called it a hypothetical case. Arising from a legal challenge under the Civil Rights Act a Mr Beelzebub - acting for a plaintiff who gave an address in Gomorrah - asked the court to rule on the legality of Christmas Day as a compulsory break for all citizens regardless of belief. The State's case, based on the Act of Settlement which acknowledged the Church as one of the founding forces of the nation, looked set easily to rebuff the challenge. Bishop Zacharias, called as a witness for the defence, said that the Church accepted Christ as the Son of God and His birth date as a solemn event which could not be regarded as an ordinary working day. Beelzebub countered with the view that Christmas Day was based on improper information and was not in fact the birth date of Christ. Justice Pope demanded further evidence to substantiate this claim. Beelzebub responded by calling a witness who asked for name suppression. This was granted and the witness, known to the court only as Mary, claimed to have had sexual relations with the Holy Ghost resulting in the birth of a son but added that the records had been falsified on the orders of King Herod. The birthplace, she said, was a stable behind an inn in the village of Bethlehem. She believed the month was December but could not attest as to the year. Asked to state her age at the time she said she was unsure but her uncle had assured her she was of marriageable age and she had indeed been married at the time to a man called Joseph. Beelzebub asked the court to note a statement by leading sociologist who said that Middle Eastern marriages were often arranged for under-age females. Beelzebub: "Did you consent to sex with the Holy Ghost?" The witness did not reply. Pressed further, she said in a whisper that she had spoken only to an angel who had appeared and told her she had been chosen to be the Mother of God. Counsel for the plaintiff then said he would be reframing his charges to include non-consensual sex with an under-age female, and a further charge against a person or persons unknown as an accessory before the fact. "In short, my Lord, a pimp," Beelzebub added. At that point Justice Pope ordered a retrial on the grounds that the issues raised were too complex for the lower courts. An urgent Supreme Court hearing was set down for the following week under Chief Justice Pious. At the new hearing the State subpoenaed Jehovah as a character witness for the Holy Ghost who, on the grounds of intangibility, said he could appear only to the faithful and hence it would be unlikely He could be heard and seen by all the court officers. Jehovah, challenged by Beelzebub, admitted He was the Holy Ghost's alter ego. He denied that actual sexual connection had taken place and claimed it was a miracle birth. Justice Pious immediately adjourned the court amid uproar. When the court resumed the following day Beelzebub continued his attack on the State's case by accusing Jehovah of corrupt practice in attempting to subvert a witness. Asked by the court to explain this, Beelzebub said he had written affidavits from the innkeeper and his wife to confirm that they had seen hush money being handed over to Mary in the form of gifts by three men traveling on camels. Calling Mary back to the stand Beelzebub got an admission that she thought they were just three wise men who wanted to be nice to her newborn child. Reading from a written account of the incident by an itinerant fisherman ca
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18...
Hallo Wynn and Luc, Friday, 24 December, 2004, 22:21:30, you wrote: WS> Dear Gustl, And the List, WS> Christmas in the Trenches WS> by John McCutcheon WS> I hope all of you will like this enough to find his CD and buy it. WS> As good as the text poem is, his rendition in the song is even better. WS> I know John, we are members of the same Quaker Meeting. WS> I have the Greatest Respect for this man! WS> This song is an expression of what the man is. WS> He is a gentle, generous person, and a loving husband and father. WS> Also, a true and accomplished artist. WS> May the spirit of this song spread through out the world, WS> Wynn Aha, another Friend. Just like old home week. :o) That poem (song) was sent to an Amiga mailing list to which I subscribe by a friend (small f) from England who has been posting a lot of such stuff lately. I am glad to see it is part of an album and will have to thank Luc for showing me where to get it. It would be nice to meet John although that will never happen, but we have met in spirit I believe. Please thank him for the song from me please. Tell him another birthright Friend who decided to see what war was all about and found out appreciates his work. Happy Happy, Gustl WS> --- WS> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. WS> Virus Database (VPS): 0452-2, 12/23/2004 WS> Tested on: 12/24/2004 10:23:35 PM WS> avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. WS> http://www.avast.com WS> ___ WS> Biofuel mailing list WS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] WS> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel WS> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: WS> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html WS> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): WS> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile
story. I see the religious part, but that's about all. Brian BRIAN THOMAS - Original Message - From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile Hi All, Just to ease any post-Christmas blues out there, here's a look at what might happen if our prevailing PC climate tightened somewhat. A HYPOTHETICAL CASE What if we were to take political correctness to its logical conclusion? Would we have court cases in which otherwise very exemplary people, and perhaps even former heroes and world leaders, were pilloried? Let look at a hypothetical case. Here the names Beelzebub, Lucifer, Mephistopheles and Old Nick all appear as different people but in fact they all refer to one person, or rather entity, the Evil One himself. Some of this may appear a bit sacrilegious but it is in fact a morality tale. Imagine you have just opened your daily newspaper and found the following. I have called it a hypothetical case. Arising from a legal challenge under the Civil Rights Act a Mr Beelzebub - acting for a plaintiff who gave an address in Gomorrah - asked the court to rule on the legality of Christmas Day as a compulsory break for all citizens regardless of belief. The State's case, based on the Act of Settlement which acknowledged the Church as one of the founding forces of the nation, looked set easily to rebuff the challenge. Bishop Zacharias, called as a witness for the defence, said that the Church accepted Christ as the Son of God and His birth date as a solemn event which could not be regarded as an ordinary working day. Beelzebub countered with the view that Christmas Day was based on improper information and was not in fact the birth date of Christ. Justice Pope demanded further evidence to substantiate this claim. Beelzebub responded by calling a witness who asked for name suppression. This was granted and the witness, known to the court only as Mary, claimed to have had sexual relations with the Holy Ghost resulting in the birth of a son but added that the records had been falsified on the orders of King Herod. The birthplace, she said, was a stable behind an inn in the village of Bethlehem. She believed the month was December but could not attest as to the year. Asked to state her age at the time she said she was unsure but her uncle had assured her she was of marriageable age and she had indeed been married at the time to a man called Joseph. Beelzebub asked the court to note a statement by leading sociologist who said that Middle Eastern marriages were often arranged for under-age females. Beelzebub: "Did you consent to sex with the Holy Ghost?" The witness did not reply. Pressed further, she said in a whisper that she had spoken only to an angel who had appeared and told her she had been chosen to be the Mother of God. Counsel for the plaintiff then said he would be reframing his charges to include non-consensual sex with an under-age female, and a further charge against a person or persons unknown as an accessory before the fact. "In short, my Lord, a pimp," Beelzebub added. At that point Justice Pope ordered a retrial on the grounds that the issues raised were too complex for the lower courts. An urgent Supreme Court hearing was set down for the following week under Chief Justice Pious. At the new hearing the State subpoenaed Jehovah as a character witness for the Holy Ghost who, on the grounds of intangibility, said he could appear only to the faithful and hence it would be unlikely He could be heard and seen by all the court officers. Jehovah, challenged by Beelzebub, admitted He was the Holy Ghost's alter ego. He denied that actual sexual connection had taken place and claimed it was a miracle birth. Justice Pious immediately adjourned the court amid uproar. When the court resumed the following day Beelzebub continued his attack on the State's case by accusing Jehovah of corrupt practice in attempting to subvert a witness. Asked by the court to explain this, Beelzebub said he had written affidavits from the innkeeper and his wife to confirm that they had seen hush money being handed over to Mary in the form of gifts by three men traveling on camels. Calling Mary back to the stand Beelzebub got an admission that she thought they were just three wise men who wanted to be nice to her newborn child. Reading from a written account of the incident by an itinerant fisherman called John, Beelzebub asked her to confirm that she had, as John put it, "kept these things in her heart" "Yes," said Mary. "In other words you kept your mouth shut?" "Yes." "And did the Holy Ghost ever appear to you again?" Silence. Beelzebub did not press the point but rested his case and called on the State to arraign Jehovah on charges of major breaches of the Civil Rights Act, corruption, statutory rape and failure to provide child support. T
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
I just found this after several weeks of election related decline. I am in NorCal, USA with an Elliot Systems genset ready to green our local neighborhood. It is a 19Kw/21Kw peak set for 3 households: 2 neighbors and ourselves. We intend to use B100 for engine longevity, but are considering WVO. The reason we considered this is we cannot utilize the more efficient solar PV systems and rebates. We are committed to getting out of our oil/dirty power dependency. Given our situation on a hill with northern exposure, solar, hydro and wind are not an option. Therefore, it seems liquid sun is our best alternative. We are trying to get grid tied using a solar system, since our local utility only recognizes solar, methane, wind, and hydro for net metering purposes and rebates. We are strategically setting up our genset as a backup system. This complicates matters, since instead of a direct intertie, we must employ batteries to support the generator's position. The minimum (inefficient given our solar exposure) solar setup is the basis for the intertie, but the genset, when run, will charge the same batteries as the solar, and I believe we can use the same inverter. There is an automatic disconnect to prevent loads from backcharging the powerlines when the utility is down. The batteries allow us to run the genset for several hours every other day, charging the batteries, then working off those until the next cycle. There are inherent inefficiencies: power loss in conversion from 120v to 12v batteries, then back again. heat can be recycled in our hot water heater and appleseed reactor. We would prefer not to use the batteries because of the inefficiencies, and led disposal issues, although led is recycled these days. Because of our local conditions, this is the only green option. The relative efficiency is still greater than anything our local utility is providing. A couple of unresolved questions: - What distance should the genset be from our house for ventilation safety (regardless of prevailing winds)? - Is there any exhaust technology yet out that can treat NOx/PCH content? I heard a catalytic converter was in development for this (very expensive last I heard). Happy Holidays! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18...
CD here it is: http://www.rounder.com/index.php?id=album.php&catalog_id=6088 Luc - Original Message - From: "Wynn S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18... Dear Gustl, And the List, Christmas in the Trenches by John McCutcheon I hope all of you will like this enough to find his CD and buy it. As good as the text poem is, his rendition in the song is even better. I know John, we are members of the same Quaker Meeting. I have the Greatest Respect for this man! This song is an expression of what the man is. He is a gentle, generous person, and a loving husband and father. Also, a true and accomplished artist. May the spirit of this song spread through out the world, Wynn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0452-2, 12/23/2004 Tested on: 12/24/2004 10:23:35 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [pamiga] 1914-18...
Christmas in the Trenches by John McCutcheon I hope all of you will like this enough to find his CD and buy it. As good as the text poem is, his rendition in the song is even better. I know John, we are members of the same Quaker Meeting. I have the Greatest Respect for this man! This song is an expression of what the man is. He is a gentle, generous person, and a loving husband and father. Also, a true and accomplished artist. May the spirit of this song spread through out the world, Wynn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0452-2, 12/23/2004 Tested on: 12/24/2004 10:23:35 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Glad to be of help, however what advice I can offer is primarily due to what I have learned right here and through the pages of Journey To Forever, and sometimes I get even that a bit off, go figure. It is a continual learning curve, or so it would seem, and that is what makes it ever interesting. I have just gotten back from an outing, one that is a true rarity in our house, of a Christmas mass where family members were involved in the choir ect. It was an enjoyable experience, even if "doctrinally" we have differences. What is important is to be reminded that part of our purpose here in this life is to do our best to live peacebly with all men, to bring what little bit of joy we can and to shine where sometimes only darkness exists. This isn't to deny the existance of darkness, but it is in spite of it. A very happy Christmas season, joy and good health in the New Year. Luc - Original Message - From: "Daniel Breen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems hey legal eagle, thanks for all the info you have been giving me, taking the time to respond, Its greatly appreciated. I hope we will be talking again, but for now its off to church to celebrate the birth of my savior. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas Dan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile
Hi All, Just to ease any post-Christmas blues out there, here's a look at what might happen if our prevailing PC climate tightened somewhat. A HYPOTHETICAL CASE What if we were to take political correctness to its logical conclusion? Would we have court cases in which otherwise very exemplary people, and perhaps even former heroes and world leaders, were pilloried? Let look at a hypothetical case. Here the names Beelzebub, Lucifer, Mephistopheles and Old Nick all appear as different people but in fact they all refer to one person, or rather entity, the Evil One himself. Some of this may appear a bit sacrilegious but it is in fact a morality tale. Imagine you have just opened your daily newspaper and found the following. I have called it a hypothetical case. Arising from a legal challenge under the Civil Rights Act a Mr Beelzebub - acting for a plaintiff who gave an address in Gomorrah - asked the court to rule on the legality of Christmas Day as a compulsory break for all citizens regardless of belief. The State's case, based on the Act of Settlement which acknowledged the Church as one of the founding forces of the nation, looked set easily to rebuff the challenge. Bishop Zacharias, called as a witness for the defence, said that the Church accepted Christ as the Son of God and His birth date as a solemn event which could not be regarded as an ordinary working day. Beelzebub countered with the view that Christmas Day was based on improper information and was not in fact the birth date of Christ. Justice Pope demanded further evidence to substantiate this claim. Beelzebub responded by calling a witness who asked for name suppression. This was granted and the witness, known to the court only as Mary, claimed to have had sexual relations with the Holy Ghost resulting in the birth of a son but added that the records had been falsified on the orders of King Herod. The birthplace, she said, was a stable behind an inn in the village of Bethlehem. She believed the month was December but could not attest as to the year. Asked to state her age at the time she said she was unsure but her uncle had assured her she was of marriageable age and she had indeed been married at the time to a man called Joseph. Beelzebub asked the court to note a statement by leading sociologist who said that Middle Eastern marriages were often arranged for under-age females. Beelzebub: "Did you consent to sex with the Holy Ghost?" The witness did not reply. Pressed further, she said in a whisper that she had spoken only to an angel who had appeared and told her she had been chosen to be the Mother of God. Counsel for the plaintiff then said he would be reframing his charges to include non-consensual sex with an under-age female, and a further charge against a person or persons unknown as an accessory before the fact. "In short, my Lord, a pimp," Beelzebub added. At that point Justice Pope ordered a retrial on the grounds that the issues raised were too complex for the lower courts. An urgent Supreme Court hearing was set down for the following week under Chief Justice Pious. At the new hearing the State subpoenaed Jehovah as a character witness for the Holy Ghost who, on the grounds of intangibility, said he could appear only to the faithful and hence it would be unlikely He could be heard and seen by all the court officers. Jehovah, challenged by Beelzebub, admitted He was the Holy Ghost's alter ego. He denied that actual sexual connection had taken place and claimed it was a miracle birth. Justice Pious immediately adjourned the court amid uproar. When the court resumed the following day Beelzebub continued his attack on the State's case by accusing Jehovah of corrupt practice in attempting to subvert a witness. Asked by the court to explain this, Beelzebub said he had written affidavits from the innkeeper and his wife to confirm that they had seen hush money being handed over to Mary in the form of gifts by three men traveling on camels. Calling Mary back to the stand Beelzebub got an admission that she thought they were just three wise men who wanted to be nice to her newborn child. Reading from a written account of the incident by an itinerant fisherman called John, Beelzebub asked her to confirm that she had, as John put it, "kept these things in her heart" "Yes," said Mary. "In other words you kept your mouth shut?" "Yes." "And did the Holy Ghost ever appear to you again?" Silence. Beelzebub did not press the point but rested his case and called on the State to arraign Jehovah on charges of major breaches of the Civil Rights Act, corruption, statutory rape and failure to provide child support. The court adjourned for a discussion in chambers by top counsel in consultation with the Attorney General who finally decided there was a prima facie against Jehovah. That's where the ordure really hit the fan. The Attorney General, a Mr Michael Mephist
Re: [Biofuel] Stainless Steel and Wvo
Hi Dave ; I am not a metalurgist, but I have done lots of precision chemical etching of stainless steels using ferric chloride. There are dozens of different grades of stainless steel, each with it;'s own strength and chemical resistance properties. In very general terms stainless steels are composed of iron alloys of nickel and chromium which add greatly to the chemical resistance. Type 304 is 18% nickel, 8% chromium. > Anyone know of any negative effects on stainless > steel from longterm > exposure to WVO? In order to accurately answer your question one would need to know the grade of stainless, the chemical properties of the WVO, the temperature and the time. Is "long term" defined as 1 year or 100 years? But we can say that EVERY deep fryer is made of stainless, and they do corrode eventually. The large repeated temperature cycling of a deep fryer probably contributes somewhat to it's eventual failure. I have found that the biggest problem is the weld seams because 1) the welder uses an inferior alloy for the fill electrode, and 2) the welder doesn't use enough inert gas (maybe none at all) to shield the weld bead from oxidation. Once the weld has oxidized during welding, it will corrode and fail quickly. Also there are residual stresses at the weld site which can cause cracking and stress corrosion. So you need to consider the fabricator as well as the material. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Season's Greetings
Merry Christmas to all who celebrate this feast and season's greetings to the rest of the world's good folk. >From Ken Simonelis &Family ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
hey legal eagle, thanks for all the info you have been giving me, taking the time to respond, Its greatly appreciated. I hope we will be talking again, but for now its off to church to celebrate the birth of my savior. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas Dan - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems - Original Message - From: "Daniel Breen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems >hey Legal Eagle, how warm should the bath be? I run warm water in a saucepan and have the titration jar set in that. Never checked the actual temperature though. 75F seems more than enough. >titration takes about 2 minutes and the mixtures is 75 degrees F. when I >start and stays there thru the duration. I use the end of the probe to keep >it stirred up. That little do-hickey is sensitive and should not be jostled around too much, have a meal at the local Chinese restaurant and see if you can't take a chopstick home :-). That way the probe can stay stable while you mix up the oil/iso. >I do use a battery operated ph meter. I went and got some grease today from >a different restaurant and it titrated to 1.2. I did it twice and the >results were the same. The grease looked like it was almost new. Is 1.2 >possible or is that just to low. I titrate the WVO I get at 1.5 and then add that to the base 3.5 for a total of 5gr/liter or 400gr per batch as I do 80 liter batches.It's simpler that way for my carboy set-up. >I just bought the ph meter and calibrated it 2 days ago. How often do you >calibrate yours. I calibrate each time I use it. At two points, 7 and 10. Actually the calibration is the longest part of the operation for me. >I think there was just something funny about the grease I was trying to do >yesterday. Why ? It sounds like good stuff to me. The WVO I get from our local Chinese restaurant is actually vegetable shortening so yours may be that also. Ask. Luc Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Happy!
Happy new year to all our Biofuel group member On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:20:21 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > YEP! > Hic .. #..*.* .*^ ^ :o) > > Cheers, ...ˇ^, hic > Aleks ... > > Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 24.12.2004 05:49 > Please respond to biofuel > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:[Biofuel] Happy Happy! > > > Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas, for the Christians, a happy > solstice for the pagans, "Happy Happy!" for all of them and everyone > else too, and Happy Humbug for Todd! LOL! And may we all have a > happy, healthy, prosperous and productive 2005, peace and goodwill to > all mankind, and to all womankind too - thanks for holding up half > the sky! Thanks to everyone for everything. > > Keith and Midori > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member
Hpapy new year -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Stainless Steel and Wvo
Anyone know of any negative effects on stainless steel from longterm exposure to WVO? Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
