Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped rebuild transmissions, and above all I'm paying my own way through engineering school. I'm not letting a simple transesterification process kick my butt. ^.~ It is though, isn't it? "Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to much the first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now." Mmm... I should post pictures of what the blender looks like now. I smoked it pretty badly, on closer inspection. Cracked/melted part of the blender drum, ate away the seal (Seriously, does methanol/methoxide attack silicone parts?), started to do something funky to the blender blade; I'm going to guess it's an aluminum blade? Anywho, thank you for your suggestions; I'm swapping, since I'm on a bit of a tight budget, from a scale/mass based measuring system for hydroxide to a volumetric one. I have small measures and cylinders abounding all around me, and very little in the way of scales. Calibrate up a couple of different measuring devices, and do everything by volume instead of mass. Density of NaOH is 2.1 g/cm3 right? Makes this whole thing easy and quicker for me. Might seem to at first but it won't. Accurate scales will make it easier and quicker for you. I've dewatered some of my fresh oil (Got to love Wal-Mart quality, it had measurable water in it.), Why risk wasting your time? People are trying to tell you about removing the variables, not adding more of them. Get some virgin oil that doesn't have water in it. and I'm going to plan on making up a batch in a small jar, about 300mL total size for conservation purposes. How will you mix it and keep it hot? Tight budget and all that. I'll keep you all posted, if you'd like; have a couple of ideas for tinkering once I have the basic process down pat. First things first. And then the wash-test: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Good luck Keith -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped rebuild transmissions, and above all I'm paying my own way through engineering school. I'm not letting a simple transesterification process kick my butt. ^.~ "Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to much the first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now." Mmm... I should post pictures of what the blender looks like now. I smoked it pretty badly, on closer inspection. Cracked/melted part of the blender drum, ate away the seal (Seriously, does methanol/methoxide attack silicone parts?), started to do something funky to the blender blade; I'm going to guess it's an aluminum blade? Anywho, thank you for your suggestions; I'm swapping, since I'm on a bit of a tight budget, from a scale/mass based measuring system for hydroxide to a volumetric one. I have small measures and cylinders abounding all around me, and very little in the way of scales. Calibrate up a couple of different measuring devices, and do everything by volume instead of mass. Density of NaOH is 2.1 g/cm3 right? Makes this whole thing easy and quicker for me. I've dewatered some of my fresh oil (Got to love Wal-Mart quality, it had measurable water in it.), and I'm going to plan on making up a batch in a small jar, about 300mL total size for conservation purposes. Tight budget and all that. I'll keep you all posted, if you'd like; have a couple of ideas for tinkering once I have the basic process down pat. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
>I have found a Chinese restaurant that will let me have all the WVO I want >and it tests good. How do I get the WVO out of the tank? It is sitting on >the ground and I need to pump it into a barrel on the back of my truck. See how Chuck Ranum does it: Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html Also: Pumps - Collecting used oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#pumps Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Hello Kurt Did you manage to get past this little hurdle in your previous message? >Right, mixed up batch one last night. Unfortunately it was pretty >improvised; One I need to get a better scale (This one only measures >down to the nearest two grams, how screwy is that?), and two I need >to get a dryer place to work. Did you see this? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Best wishes Keith >Okay, so earlier this week I tried my first batch. Didn't go so hot, >it was still a little cloudy after I was done. > >Emulsed like crap when I tried to wash it, to the point of a full >50% of the test wash ending up a crappy mayonnaise consistency. To >date, after 36+ hours of settling, I barely have 100mL of clear >upper level separated out of a 300mL test wash. > >Okay, so I figured I screwed up along the line somewhere. I had some >doubts as to the unused status of the oil, so I looked up the >directions and reprocessed a liter of it in a blender. > >I mixed up a large enough batch of the 10% methanol blend suggested >for reprocessing for my little scale to be accurate (It only >measures in 2g increments. Must find a better scale!) and I did it >inside where the humidity was only around 60% (As opposed to >exterior humidity of around 90%+) and quickly, only taking a bare >45sec to a minute from the time I opened the cannister to the time >NaOH hit the methanol in the blender bowl. It mixed rather nicely, >and I pulsed it's mixing off and on to keep the blender cool during >the fifteen minutes it took me to be confident everything had fully >dissolved. It ended up a very slightly cloudy mixture, but >nothing settled into the bottom over the next hour. > >During the course of that hour I set up the other stuff, measuring >out a liter of my initial product, putting it in a second blender >(Just bought it, cheap $14 one), getting that all set up; it was >still slightly cloudy when I put it in the blender. During this same >time I also measured out 500mL of just-purchased canola oil, >intending to process a real minibatch after I reprocessed some of my >initial product. > >Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to >the reprocessing candidate in the blender. Snapped the lid on, made >sure everything was secure, and let her go. Twenty minutes of >blenderized thrashing commenced, during which time the whole slew >became a kind of milky yellow-amber color, with a brown tint to it. >Cut the blender off, poured everything inside it out into a glass >jar with a cap. > >Set that aside and went into the house, washed the blender cup >thoroughly, inside and out. I towelled it off, then let it air-dry >for a good five or ten minutes inside the house. Took it back >outside, put it back together, and added my fresh oil to the cup. >Drew out another 50mL of my 10% grade solution, adding another 50mL >of my methanol source to bring it up to the requisite 20% volume. >Since the grams of lye per liter were never changed, just the volume >of methanol, I reasoned that doing this was safe and would work >since I was just bringing the lye concentration down to normal by >diluting the solution with more methanol. > >Added this to the batch of fresh oil, secured the cap, turned the >blender on and walked inside to wash my hands again and get >something to drink. Ten minutes later I walked back out, and the >blender was utterly empty. Bottom end failure on my cheap blender; >apparently I hadn't let the motor cool long enough, so the heat ran >up the shaft and when combined with the heat of mixing it I melted >the plastic. Bummer. So I don't have that as a comparison. > >Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, I drew >out another 100mL and added 100mL of hot (120~F) water. Gently >swirled it at first, but that wasn't even mixing water and product >so I went to a slightly more vigorous shaking. > >And it did the same thing. Emulsed like crap. I have a 200mL jar of >two-tone mayonnaise. The upper layer is tinged yellow-brown, the >bottom layer is pure white. > >Ummm, help? > >-K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Hi folks, I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are: 1) Solar collectors 2) Grey water heat going down the drain Can anyone give me some pointers in these two areas? Thanks in advance Jim Wisdom to all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Sad to say but I think most of us have screwed up at one point or another. My big mistake was the very first thing doing the titration with the better titration method but I for got 1 minor thing so from that point all was up hill. When checking my process one thing at a time checking and rechecking but all I did was A1 after thinking that this was all a trick I found the first thing I did was wrong. Now all is well with the process. Until I mess up once more Happy hunting. Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:15 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped. On 10/10/05, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The "crappy mayonnaise" sounds like soap. That's my ultimate thought, too. "Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the reprocessing candidate in the blender." ... "Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, ... " Did any additional glycerine fall out? ... Would suggest an incomplete reaction. If not, it would further suggest soap. I found just a tiny, tiny little film of glycerine down at the bottom. I mean tiny, so I don't believe it was an incomplete reaction that was the primary driving force behind the emulsion. It's probably my POS scale. In your case it may simply involve a better balance for measuring lye. Check out how to break emulsions at JtF. I'm going to hope that it is. I've rigged up something else to mix up a batch in (HDPE Mayo container from work that I'm currently letting air-dry, plus parts off the blender I toasted. ^.~ This stuff doesn't eat silicon caulking, does it?), and I'm going to go try a cheap scale idea from another site that uses water as a counterbalance. Humidity seems to be down today, maybe it'll work. Thanks Tom, it's pretty heartening to hear that other people have had similar problems, and it wasn't just made up to make us feel better. ^.~ With determination! -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seals
Kellybees.com has 55 Gallon Drum Seals Goto Bee Keeping Accesories then goto Honey Accessories then goto Honey Accessories.They also have Electric Drum Heaters and Immersion Heaters. Sincerely, Al Queen Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Sounds like my first run and I'm no expert now but I had to eliminate the variables one by one.. So I got Virgin oil, Got better at titration, got a better lye (and how to measure it!) - and Bingo there it was perfect Bio.. Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to much the first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now. Good luck! Jim Kurt Nolte wrote: > Okay, so earlier this week I tried my first batch. Didn't go so hot, > it was still a little cloudy after I was done. Emulsed like crap when > I tried to wash it, to the point of a full 50% of the test wash ending > up a crappy mayonnaise consistency. To date, after 36+ hours of > settling, I barely have 100mL of clear upper level separated out of a > 300mL test wash. > > Okay, so I figured I screwed up along the line somewhere. I had some > doubts as to the unused status of the oil, so I looked up the > directions and reprocessed a liter of it in a blender. > > I mixed up a large enough batch of the 10% methanol blend suggested > for reprocessing for my little scale to be accurate (It only measures > in 2g increments. Must find a better scale!) and I did it inside where > the humidity was only around 60% (As opposed to exterior humidity of > around 90%+) and quickly, only taking a bare 45sec to a minute from > the time I opened the cannister to the time NaOH hit the methanol in > the blender bowl. It mixed rather nicely, and I pulsed it's mixing off > and on to keep the blender cool during the fifteen minutes it took me > to be confident everything had fully dissolved. It ended up a very > slightly cloudy mixture, but nothing settled into the bottom > over the next hour. > > During the course of that hour I set up the other stuff, measuring out > a liter of my initial product, putting it in a second blender (Just > bought it, cheap $14 one), getting that all set up; it was still > slightly cloudy when I put it in the blender. During this same time I > also measured out 500mL of just-purchased canola oil, intending to > process a real minibatch after I reprocessed some of my initial product. > > Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the > reprocessing candidate in the blender. Snapped the lid on, made sure > everything was secure, and let her go. Twenty minutes of blenderized > thrashing commenced, during which time the whole slew became a kind of > milky yellow-amber color, with a brown tint to it. Cut the blender > off, poured everything inside it out into a glass jar with a cap. > > Set that aside and went into the house, washed the blender cup > thoroughly, inside and out. I towelled it off, then let it air-dry for > a good five or ten minutes inside the house. Took it back outside, put > it back together, and added my fresh oil to the cup. Drew out another > 50mL of my 10% grade solution, adding another 50mL of my methanol > source to bring it up to the requisite 20% volume. Since the grams of > lye per liter were never changed, just the volume of methanol, I > reasoned that doing this was safe and would work since I was just > bringing the lye concentration down to normal by diluting the solution > with more methanol. > > Added this to the batch of fresh oil, secured the cap, turned the > blender on and walked inside to wash my hands again and get something > to drink. Ten minutes later I walked back out, and the blender was > utterly empty. Bottom end failure on my cheap blender; apparently I > hadn't let the motor cool long enough, so the heat ran up the shaft > and when combined with the heat of mixing it I melted the plastic. > Bummer. So I don't have that as a comparison. > > Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, I drew > out another 100mL and added 100mL of hot (120~F) water. Gently swirled > it at first, but that wasn't even mixing water and product so I went > to a slightly more vigorous shaking. > > And it did the same thing. Emulsed like crap. I have a 200mL jar of > two-tone mayonnaise. The upper layer is tinged yellow-brown, the > bottom layer is pure white. > > Ummm, help? > > -K > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Bio
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is more than enough for my family. Just as a matter of interest do you have much trouble getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying NZ$1.60 L. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD& water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again & happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian & Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2 things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also a good section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel & my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute & 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water &150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar) after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 07/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
Try this site it is somewhat like JtF but has a plan for a retrieval pump in it somewhere Cheers Ian http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/appleorchard/ - Original Message - From: "Richard U" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks > You can get those nice white 5 gallon buckets, with nice tight lids, free > from super-markets with bakeries or deli's...ask them or dive into their > dumpster. > Just leave a few with the restaurant...maybe they can even leave them > inside > where they stay warm. This way the oil doesn't get mixed up with whatever > is > in the tank 'out back'. > Richard U > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jason and Katie >> >> I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer >> had >> an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the >> business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it >> seems >> the easiest solution to me. >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >> (50,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
Nah, we'll take magical thinking and chaos over reality and reasonably
orderly energy planning every time.
You watch.
Mike Weaver for President
Magical Thinking Party
2 SUVs and a Monster house for every American!
Appal Energy wrote:
You're correct Mike,
Jimmy Carter "got it."
But it wasn't what he "got" that sent the economy into a tailspin. Yes,
it was partly his fault for failing to pay strict attention to some of
the economic indicators soon enough. But the market took a dive largely
due to the shakeup from the Arab oil embargo. And when you throw the
waning confidence factor resulting from that, a hostage crisis, a failed
rescue attempt and then a charletan such as Reagan who promises two
fresh baked pies on every window sill, you have a recipe for a one term
president.
Sad part is? The US economy continued to grow for nearly fifteen years
after the nation began its intense conservation endeavors in the late
'70s - all without increasing its oil imports by a drop for the first
ten to twelve years of that period.
Think about all that new growth and the massive amounts of energy it
took to create it. But all those gains were achieved primarily as a
result of conservation and efficiency ("negawatts"). Too bad it was
Reagan and Bush who received the free ride from that market change.
Same thing could happen again, or at least things could stabilize
considerably. Unfortunately, George Bush wouldn't know what a "cardigan
moment" was, much less initiate one, even if his life depended upon it.
The suggestion from this vantage point is that you grab the stand-up
straps on this bus and prepare yourself for a hasty stop over the next
few years. Bush's successor will be spending an inordinate amount of
time the next four years fighting to turn markets back in the direction
that Carter started.
And then what? The "moral" minority will manage to stuff the ballot box
and install another puppet or two for twelve more years and run this
ship of state aground all over again?
Gets a little old. Just waiting to see how many in this gene pool are
smart enough to figure it out and not board the Titanic for yet another
ride. You'd think they would have had a clue after the first trillion
dollar record of national debt.
Todd Swearingen
Oh, he probably gets it. But saying and being drummed out of office
is something else again. Jimmy Cartet "got it" and look what happened
to him.
It's the vast majority of US citizens that "don't get it" and won't,
until they have to. People in the US are mad about gas prices, but
they are not mad they we have no energy policy.
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi Todd,
I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe
everyone could just have a life.
Tom Irwin
*From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In
Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it.
Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his
primer.
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're
now
being engineered in ways that compromise their previous
efficiency for
acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them.
We've
reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for
demand to
match reductions in production is immediately reduced
consumption. That
means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to
increase.
That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share.
What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between
conservation,
overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three
further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels.
Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating
change in
"the American lifestyle."
And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George
Junior or
Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in
order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium,
now would we?
Todd Swearingen
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Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
You're correct Mike,
Jimmy Carter "got it."
But it wasn't what he "got" that sent the economy into a tailspin. Yes,
it was partly his fault for failing to pay strict attention to some of
the economic indicators soon enough. But the market took a dive largely
due to the shakeup from the Arab oil embargo. And when you throw the
waning confidence factor resulting from that, a hostage crisis, a failed
rescue attempt and then a charletan such as Reagan who promises two
fresh baked pies on every window sill, you have a recipe for a one term
president.
Sad part is? The US economy continued to grow for nearly fifteen years
after the nation began its intense conservation endeavors in the late
'70s - all without increasing its oil imports by a drop for the first
ten to twelve years of that period.
Think about all that new growth and the massive amounts of energy it
took to create it. But all those gains were achieved primarily as a
result of conservation and efficiency ("negawatts"). Too bad it was
Reagan and Bush who received the free ride from that market change.
Same thing could happen again, or at least things could stabilize
considerably. Unfortunately, George Bush wouldn't know what a "cardigan
moment" was, much less initiate one, even if his life depended upon it.
The suggestion from this vantage point is that you grab the stand-up
straps on this bus and prepare yourself for a hasty stop over the next
few years. Bush's successor will be spending an inordinate amount of
time the next four years fighting to turn markets back in the direction
that Carter started.
And then what? The "moral" minority will manage to stuff the ballot box
and install another puppet or two for twelve more years and run this
ship of state aground all over again?
Gets a little old. Just waiting to see how many in this gene pool are
smart enough to figure it out and not board the Titanic for yet another
ride. You'd think they would have had a clue after the first trillion
dollar record of national debt.
Todd Swearingen
> Oh, he probably gets it. But saying and being drummed out of office
> is something else again. Jimmy Cartet "got it" and look what happened
> to him.
>
> It's the vast majority of US citizens that "don't get it" and won't,
> until they have to. People in the US are mad about gas prices, but
> they are not mad they we have no energy policy.
>
> Tom Irwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Todd,
>>
>> I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe
>> everyone could just have a life.
>>
>> Tom Irwin
>>
>>
>> *From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> *Sent:* Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300
>> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In
>> Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
>>
>> Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it.
>>
>> Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his
>> primer.
>> http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
>>
>> Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're
>> now
>> being engineered in ways that compromise their previous
>> efficiency for
>> acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them.
>> We've
>> reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for
>> demand to
>> match reductions in production is immediately reduced
>> consumption. That
>> means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to
>> increase.
>> That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share.
>>
>> What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between
>> conservation,
>> overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three
>> further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels.
>> Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating
>> change in
>> "the American lifestyle."
>>
>> And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George
>> Junior or
>> Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in
>> order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium,
>> now would we?
>>
>> Todd Swearingen
>>
>> Snip
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
On 10/10/05, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The "crappy mayonnaise" sounds like soap. That's my ultimate thought, too. "Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the reprocessing candidate in the blender." ... "Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, ... " Did any additional glycerine fall out? ... Would suggest an incomplete reaction. If not, it would further suggest soap. I found just a tiny, tiny little film of glycerine down at the bottom. I mean tiny, so I don't believe it was an incomplete reaction that was the primary driving force behind the emulsion. It's probably my POS scale. In your case it may simply involve a better balance for measuring lye. Check out how to break emulsions at JtF. I'm going to hope that it is. I've rigged up something else to mix up a batch in (HDPE Mayo container from work that I'm currently letting air-dry, plus parts off the blender I toasted. ^.~ This stuff doesn't eat silicon caulking, does it?), and I'm going to go try a cheap scale idea from another site that uses water as a counterbalance. Humidity seems to be down today, maybe it'll work. Thanks Tom, it's pretty heartening to hear that other people have had similar problems, and it wasn't just made up to make us feel better. ^.~ With determination! -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] UTEK Corporation Completes Technology Transfer with Kwikpower International for Mobile Bio-Diesel Refineries
Just got this in today's news alert. seem to remember someone posting regarding oscillatory flow reactor recently
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051010/105151.html?.v=1&printer=1
Press ReleaseSource:
UTEK Corporation
UTEK Corporation Completes Technology Transfer with Kwikpower International for Mobile Bio-Diesel RefineriesMonday October 10, 8:00 am ET
Transfer of Technology from Cambridge University for Building Mobile Refineries to Convert Rape-Seed Oil into Bio-Diesel
LONDON & PLANT CITY, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 10,
2005--Kwikpower International plc, a diversified renewable energy and
fuels company offering 'carbon recycling' solutions, and UTEK
Corporation (AMEX:UTK - News; LSE-AIM:UTKA), an innovative technology
transfer company, announced today the completion of a technology
transfer to Kwikpower International in a securities exchange
transaction.
The technology transferred contained the license to a process
enabling the continuous conversion for onward sale of plant-based oils
into bio-diesel using a mobile refinery. This system uses a tubular
oscillatory flow reactor and was demonstrated for the first time at
the Clean Energy Technology Show in London earlier this year.
Conventional bio-diesel plants require the use of large tanks which
must be emptied and cleaned after each batch.
A substantial potential market for bio-diesel has been created by
the European Directive 2003/30/EU which sets a target that, by the end
of 2005, 2% of all road transport should be powered by bio-fuels,
aiming for 5.75% by 2010. The UK government provides a rebate of 20p
($0.35) on the duty of every liter of bio-diesel. The technology was
developed by Professor Malcolm Mackley and his team in the Department
of Chemical Engineering at the University of Cambridge and is being
licensed by Cambridge Enterprise on behalf of the University.
Dr. Jim Watkins, CEO and Chairman of Kwikpower International said:
"This technology transfer of the bio-diesel intensification process
with Cambridge and UTEK will allow us to rapidly expand Kwikpower's
opportunities in the bio-fuels markets. We see major growth
opportunities in both the USA and Europe."
He added: "Our KP Wellman engineering subsidiary is already
working on integrating the new reactor design into an innovative
continuous production module which will fit into a 40 foot container.
This technology offers real promise to allow us to reduce the time and
cost of production of bio-diesel from a variety of feedstocks,
allowing bio-diesel to compete on a level playing field with crude oil
derived diesel."
Dr. Clifford M. Gross, CEO and Chairman of UTEK said: "We are very
pleased to have completed our first technology transfer to a UK based
company since UTEK's admission to AIM in April this year. It
demonstrates that our U2B technology transfer model works well on both
sides of the Atlantic and can be used by UK companies to develop their
product portfolios with university discoveries."
Terms of the Transaction
Biodiesel Technologies, Inc. ("BTI"), a company established by
UTEK specifically for this transaction and which holds the technology
rights being transferred, has been acquired by Kwikpower International
plc in a securities exchange in which Kwikpower International plc
issued a GBP 1.25 million (US $2,217,627) convertible debenture to
UTEK Corporation in exchange for 100% of the issued and outstanding
shares of BTI. The transaction closed on September 30, 2005.
About Kwikpower International plc
Kwikpower is a diversified renewable energy and fuels company
offering 'Carbon Recycling' solutions through its engineering
division, KP Wellman, and KP Renewables plc, its AIM quoted renewable
energy subsidiary. Kwikpower utilizes proprietary technology for
recycling carbon waste streams into clean burning renewable fuels or
energy. The Kwikpower Group has a turnover of more than US$80.0
million (on an annualized basis) and employs around 280 people.
About Cambridge Enterprise
Cambridge Enterprise facilitates the commercial development of
University of Cambridge's intellectual property. Specialist technology
transfer staff manage all aspects of patents, copyright and
contractual arrangements. Cambridge Enterprise licenses patents and
other intellectual property to existing companies, both large and
small, as well as to spinouts formed to exploit University technology.
Working together with venture capital funds, Cambridge Enterprise
forms around five new companies each year.
During 2004 the University applied for 61 patents based on 141
invention disclosures, while a total of 41 new licenses and other
commercial agreements were completed. Income from patent and software
licenses exceeded GBP 2m, and demand for academics' technical advice
added a further GBP 1.8 million of revenue. 2004 saw the launch of
five new University spin-out companies, and the University invested a
total of GBP 800,000 in ventures formed by staff and students.
Cambridge Enterprise is at http://www.ent
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
Collecting WVO I collect with barrels but they are heavy, you have to have a crane to load them. The better way is to get the reataurant to filter the waste into their collecting pail and then when the WVO is cool, pour it back into the original container. Much easier to handle. JW >I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had >an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the >business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems >the easiest solution to me. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
You can get those nice white 5 gallon buckets, with nice tight lids, free from super-markets with bakeries or deli's...ask them or dive into their dumpster. Just leave a few with the restaurant...maybe they can even leave them inside where they stay warm. This way the oil doesn't get mixed up with whatever is in the tank 'out back'. Richard U > -Original Message- > From: Jason and Katie > > I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had > an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the > business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems > the easiest solution to me. > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
Oh, he probably gets it. But saying and being drummed out of office is something else again. Jimmy Cartet "got it" and look what happened to him. It's the vast majority of US citizens that "don't get it" and won't, until they have to. People in the US are mad about gas prices, but they are not mad they we have no energy policy. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Todd, I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe everyone could just have a life. Tom Irwin From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization" Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it. Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his primer. http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're now being engineered in ways that compromise their previous efficiency for acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them. We've reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for demand to match reductions in production is immediately reduced consumption. That means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to increase. That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share. What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between conservation, overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels. Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating change in "the American lifestyle." And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George Junior or Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium, now would we? Todd Swearingen Snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Kurt, You wrote: " ... Emulsed like crap when I tried to wash it, to the point of a full 50% of the test wash ending up a crappy mayonnaise consistency. To date, after 36+ hours of settling, I barely have 100mL of clear upper level separated out of a 300mL test wash." (my underline) The "crappy mayonnaise" sounds like soap. "Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the reprocessing candidate in the blender." ... "Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, ... " Did any additional glycerine fall out? ... Would suggest an incomplete reaction. If not, it would further suggest soap. "I drew out another 100mL and added 100mL of hot (120~F) water. Gently swirled it at first, but that wasn't even mixing water and product so I went to a slightly more vigorous shaking. And it did the same thing. Emulsed like crap. I have a 200mL jar of two-tone mayonnaise. The upper layer is tinged yellow-brown, the bottom layer is pure white." As I understand it, emulsions are caused by soap due to water in the reaction or failure to separate glycerine out prior to wash, or by unreacted glycerides due to an incomplete reaction. It sounds like you got soap ... a lot of it. I don't think reprocessing will help if you made soap in the initial reaction. Minimize soap by keeping water out of the reaction. Make sure the oil is dry. (See JtF: "Removing Water"). Use good methanol and lye. Give adequate time for glycerine mix to settle and err on the side of "losing" BD when you separate the two rather than risk glycerine in the BD that you want to wash. (Recover BD later). Measure lye accurately. Being off by .5 to 1.0 g on a 1L batch is more significant than being off the same amount on a 50L batch. Being new to BD production, I claim no expertiese, but the heartbreak of emulsions is still fresh in my mind. My first large (30 gal) batch > large emulsion. Following suggestions, I salvaged the batch, tweated the process and have been making 20 gal batches that wash easily (stir-wash) and when a small sample is reprocessed -> little if any additional glycerine. It is possible to make high quality BD following the instructions at JtF. Solving problems that arise is part of the process. In your case it may simply involve a better balance for measuring lye. Check out how to break emulsions at JtF. Best Wishes, Tom From: Kurt Nolte To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped. Okay, so earlier this week I tried my first batch. Didn't go so hot, it was still a little cloudy after I was done. Emulsed like crap when I tried to wash it, to the point of a full 50% of the test wash ending up a crappy mayonnaise consistency. To date, after 36+ hours of settling, I barely have 100mL of clear upper level separated out of a 300mL test wash.Okay, so I figured I screwed up along the line somewhere. I had some doubts as to the unused status of the oil, so I looked up the directions and reprocessed a liter of it in a blender. I mixed up a large enough batch of the 10% methanol blend suggested for reprocessing for my little scale to be accurate (It only measures in 2g increments. Must find a better scale!) and I did it inside where the humidity was only around 60% (As opposed to exterior humidity of around 90%+) and quickly, only taking a bare 45sec to a minute from the time I opened the cannister to the time NaOH hit the methanol in the blender bowl. It mixed rather nicely, and I pulsed it's mixing off and on to keep the blender cool during the fifteen minutes it took me to be confident everything had fully dissolved. It ended up a very slightly cloudy mixture, but nothing settled into the bottom over the next hour.During the course of that hour I set up the other stuff, measuring out a liter of my initial product, putting it in a second blender (Just bought it, cheap $14 one), getting that all set up; it was still slightly cloudy when I put it in the blender. During this same time I also measured out 500mL of just-purchased canola oil, intending to process a real minibatch after I reprocessed some of my initial product.Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the reprocessing candidate in the blender. Snapped the lid on, made sure everything was secure, and let her go. Twenty minutes of blenderized thrashing commenced, during which time the whole slew became a kind of milky yellow-amber color, with a brown tint to it. Cut the blender off, poured everything inside it out into a glass jar with a cap. Set that aside and went into the house, washed the blender cup thoroughly, inside and out. I
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike W., you never cease to entertain me... Now I can die a happy man! Anyway, I just wanted to add another Doctor to the conversation. Dr. John McDougall is a non-quack. He and his wife have been at this for over 30 years and there is no 'hype' I followed this for several years. I felt great and was quite trim. I do remember being hungry a lot. Dean Ornish is worth looking at too. http://www.drmcdougall.com/ "The founder of The McDougall Plan for healthy living, has been studying and writing about the effects of nutrition on disease for over 30 years. Dr. John McDougall believes that people should look and feel great, and enjoy optimal health for a lifetime. Dr. McDougall has developed a nourishing, low-fat, starch-based diet that not only promotes a broad range of dramatic and lasting health benefits such as weight (fat) loss, but most importantly can also reverse serious illness, such as heart disease, without drugs." Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is featured as one of his stars). No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. On 10/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No, but I'll get my lawyers on it pronto! ;-) -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
I've tied them both - they both workied in that I lost weight. I found MacDougall easier to stay on and I felt better. With Atkins I lost weight but finally couldn't live with the side-effects. -Mike Paul S Cantrell wrote: Sorry, John, but I don't have any negative results to share. I *personally* don't know anyone who "tried this diet and didn't see any improvement" but I reckon there are genetic groups that do not respond to this diet. Every one has to look at their own health, family history and make decisions for themselves with the data available to them. I'm with you on being wary of doctors with books and things to sell, but all that I was saying is that Dr. McDougall's work passes my smell test, while Atkins does not. On 10/9/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* a hypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias - > "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been > shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that > could disconfirm their hypothesis." And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. You give us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is a disease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter's improvement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle of the moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly in this thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods after their names. jh -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
Most restaurants also have things like pickle barrels around - WVO goes into those well and they seal. Jason and Katie wrote: >I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had >an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the >business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems >the easiest solution to me. > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from > book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they > are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of > manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian > regards Doug > > > On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: > > Hello everybody > > Thank you so much for the replies. > > I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The > > reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. > > Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up > > pretty quick. > > Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. > > It may give you a heads up on what is happening. > > I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big > > difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! > > What I have found so far: > > Fan clutch slipping. > > In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big > > hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it > > in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in > > boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on > > the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. > > Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. > > Shifts great, all gears work. > > No speedo. > > > > As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil > > emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. > > What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going > > to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back > > to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone > > know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? > > Again thanks for the info and help. > > Brian Rodgers > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 Cooling System Problems...
Hey that's pretty cool thanks
These Haynes manuals really "blow", to steal a phrase from my son.
However they are better than nothing, right?
Unfortunately here is an excerpt from this page:
Peugeot 2.0, 2.1, 2.3 & 2.5 Litre Diesel Engines ('74 to '90) (Service
and Repair Manuals) (Hardcover)
by Ian Coomber
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A quote from, Oh Brother where art thou?
Sorry I am being silly.
I do apreciate the help. Now I know Haynes makes a book and I can ask
my local autoparts dealer for it by part #.
Trully,
Brian Rodgers
On 10/9/05, F. Desprez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brian Rodgers a écrit :
>
> >(...)
> >No owners manual in the glove box was disappointing.
> >
> but you can get one, even in English for you're 505 diesel engine
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/185010607X/qid=1128891543/sr=1-29/ref=sr_1_29/102-7505173-9576937?v=glance&s=books
>
> or for the full car in french ...
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2726872913/atixiercom-21/402-5308666-1133711
> or in english but not for diesel
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0856967629/atixiercom-20/102-7505173-9576937
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel vehicle!?
Thanks Derick On 10/9/05, Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for the compression 18 to 24 2/1 that is old school #s as for the head > gasket there used to be a product out there called copper seal I thought about this and I can't imagine it will work. With the high compression of the diesel engine there will be no way to get the sealant into the leak. Cylinder pressure will keep it away from the leak. > I used it in a friends van years ago since he had $0s and needed to get his > van up so he > could earn the cash to fix it the right way. He never did the last time I > saw him several years back he was still driving the same van and never had > another problem with the head gasket. This may be a stretch but wht the hell > if it works eaven for a short while the $3 to $4 investment could help you > for now . > Good luck Derick > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Chapin > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:35 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel > vehicle!? > > Brian Rodgers wrote: > > >Ok thanks > >I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between > >cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be > >on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system > >for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? > >>From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the > >bronse flake sealant. > >Cheers > >Brian Rodgers > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the > head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake > and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to > be slightly different now, and very different later. > Given evidence of a "fix in a can' effort already, and expanding > hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however > delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a > newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, > trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I > would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only > guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo > peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. > If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're > better off fixing the peugeot. > Cheers, > SC > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
