Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof of globalwarming

[Ken Riznyk]

Sorry jet fuel weighs 5.22 pounds per gallon not 8. 
The carbon coefficient for jet fuel is that it
produces 19.33 million metric tons of CO2 for every
quadrillion btu. 57,000 US gallons, 138,000 btu per
gallon, yields 7.66 billion btu, producing about 152
metric tons per 8000 miles or 15.2 tons per 800 miles.
A full tank would actually weigh 148.77 tons. 800
miles would use 15.1 metric tons of fuel. 
Also just because some newsreader who probably has
zilch science smarts reads some false numbers doesn't
negate the concept of global warming.
Ken

--- Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Specs on the current model Boeing 747-400,   57,000
 U.S. gallons fuel 
 capacity with 8,000 mile range so it gets something
 like  6-9 gallons a 
 mile. so lets say 8 gallons/mile, at around 8 pounds
 per gallon,= 65 
 pounds of fuel per mile...so it uses around 26
 tons of fuel in 800 
 miles  but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in
 the same distance?
 
 thats interesting...
 
 Ray J
 
 
 Just seen this on our BBC TV channel  every 800
 miles travelled by a jumbo 
 jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. 
 Chris
 
 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

[Tom Irwin]

The Biodiesel made from animal fat (beef) begins to solidify at about 14 C and completely solidifies at 10 C. Other animal fats or any mixes I have not worked with as yet. This information isin table form on the JTF site.

Tom Irwin


From: Bernie Hunsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Biofuel@sustainablelists.org' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:31:48 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDIs it the animel fat or the Biodiesel that starts to solidify at around10deg C? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Irwin Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2005 8:40  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD  Hello Juan,  I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from restaurants. It's quite variable and more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get it for just your transport costs. If you live in a poorer area then look for wild castor beans. They're have large yields and are generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well for a garden or farm soil amendment. It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites.  Tom Irwin _   From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD  Free is the best oil to use ;-)  Juan B wrote:   Hello Everyone,   I Would like to know what is the best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be better to get animal fat?  I looked at the tables in the website but I did not completely understand .  thanks Juan   _   ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org    Biofuel at Journey to Forever: Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):   ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



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Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process

[garutek]

Hi Juan, the process that Joe is using is so... much more 
advanced than where I'm at, I'm justresearchingadvanced processes 
here.I defer to others more information.
Gary

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Juan B 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:46 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative 
  biodiesel process
  Hello Joe, Gary and David, I was reading 
  your post and it was a symphony to my eyes and mind. I am really interested in 
  this process and I would like to know more about it. I would like to 
  know where I could find more information related to this kind of reaction or 
  process.Thank you Juan
  On 10/24/05, garutek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Just 
to throw my cents worth out without having much of a clue about 
whatresults you are looking for exactly.From what I know and if 
melting of the conductors is a concern. A high gradeof graphite has a 
melting point roughly 4 times that of oxygen free copper. if interested 
try a machine shop for used electrodes."just interested and surfing the 
future"Gary- Original Message -From: "Joe Street" 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: 
Monday, October 24, 2005 4:33 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative 
biodiesel process  Well here is an update for what it's 
worth; I have been conducting experiments in a test tube 
with 20 ml new canola oil and fresh industrial grade 
methanol.As per the suggestion I  started with smaller 
electrode gap and lower voltage to obtain the 15 to 20 v/mm field 
strength as required in the abstract.Electrode 
configuration is a rod sharpened to a point to concentrate field  
strength adjacent to a flat plate.Electrode material is 
copper. Mixture is an emulsion of 20% (v/v) methanol agitated by a 
stir bar and heated to 60 degrees centigrade. With a gap of 1mm I 
increased the  applied voltage eventually to 120 Vdc which is the 
limit of my (little) supply.There was very little 
current (in the tens of microamperes) at this stage.I 
expected to see bubbles at the anode but the cloudiness  of the 
emulsion made this difficult.A solution with disolved 
methanol saturated (I do not know the exact percentage as some 
methanol remained undisolved on the surface) which is optically 
clear did not exhibit any  gas generation. Next I increased 
the gap to 3 mm and brought out the scary supply.I 
installed a 300 ma fuse at the HV output to protect the innocent and 
a milliameter.Then, fire extinguisher in hand, I tried 
again.At  roughly 2kv the dielectric breakdown occured 
with 3mm gap for a Vbr of about 670 V/mm.Of course there 
were many bubbles in that case.No explosion though which 
was nice.Interestingly the protection fuse was  not 
taken out by the arc whch was my expectation.At this point I 
do not know if this fact is due to the internal resistance of the 
supply limiting current to a value the fuse could handle for the 
brief duration  of the arc or whether current was limited by 
conditions within the arc. I will have to do a short circuit test of 
the supply tonight to find out if it really has the balls to do 300 
mA as I expect it should.  Since the abstract calls for 100% 
conversion and with excess methanol a etherified glycerine which 
remains in solution, it is not clear what to expect the end result 
to look like.There should not be a separation of  layers 
as in the traditional chemically catalyzed reaction.Since I 
do not see bubbles I do not think much is happening. I wish I knew 
more chemistry.I expect the reaction should take place 
on the surface of  the anode and it should not be in the presence of 
an arc.Close observation at the tip at a voltage just 
below breakdown reveals a tiny whisker of something black (carbon??) 
grows towards the cathode and  dances in the swirling current until 
it gets close enough and precipitates another arc.This 
could be something very interesting but I expect it has nothing to 
do with fuel :-( . The abstract does talk about very high 
temperatures at the anode surface  and a strong oxidizing 
environment which makes me wonder if an arc is supposed to be 
sustained?Anyone on the list care to comment? Asside 
from proton NMR at this point I do not know how to shed more  light 
on the contents of the test tube after these shocking 
experiments.This will require negotiations and the consumption 
of beer... I wish I had some exciting 
news Joe  David Miller 
wrote: Joe Street wrote: Hi 
Joe; Right.The abstract talks 
about a relationship between higer  voltages and longer 
carbon chains in the ester which translates into higher fuel 
energy content (cetane rating?I don't know if that 
is equivalent I am no 

Re: [Biofuel] mixing and heating biodiesel

[Mike Weaver]

Some people have had luck looking on www.pumpbiz.com

I use an old drill and a long, bent rod like a paint stirrer. Works
great for 20 gallons or so - all you need is a vortex on the surface.

Stainless will work for immersion. I use quite a bit of steel and have
yet to have a problem.

Good luck,

Mike

Andrew Leven wrote:

  
  
  
  I am setting up my processor and
want to use a pump to mix. What type and size of pump would be suitable
for 15-20 gallon batch. Does it have to be resistant to methanol and
lye mix as well as fry oil? Also when using an immersion heater for
the heat source is is critical that it also be resistant ie; stainlesss
or can a steel unit withstand the mix for a long time before needing
replacement?
  Andrew Leven
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Mike Weaver]

No, but a lot are. I live here. I can look out the window.

As for the Arab/terrorist remark, what does that have to do with this
thread?
Let's keep the tone positive:
All Frenchmen know good cheese.
All Russians read great literature.


Derick Giorchino wrote:

  
  
   That is about the most ridicules statement
I have seen in some time. Not all Americans are lazy stupid or
helpless. Why dont
you say all Arabs are terrorists?  
   All the French smell all Russians are
drunks except?  
  
  
 
   From:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of  Joe Street 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005
11:26 AM
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific
method- Easy Keith!   
  
  
   Whoa Big Feller
  
Keith please don't forget Brian is an American, therefore he was born
and
raised to believe he is somehow special, and spoiled enough to expect
everything to be paint by numbers. American 'culture' is all about
instant gratification, less work vs more satisfaction/entertainment.
This
explains the typical american arrogance that drips from his rhetoric
and which
irritates you so well. I have no doubt that Brian is genuinely
frustrated
by his apparent lack of progress in this early stage but it is not
really HIS
fault, he has been conditioned with a set of expectations which do not
fit the
real world. This is why our insidious Disneyland 'culture' here in the
Americas (well at least Canada and US)
works so well because it has had the illusion of being sustainable for
so
long. I see this kind of attitude all the time with university
students. Even graduate students who are getting on in years; they
like
someone to lead them by the hand. We are a spoon fed continent. We
like
to have everything easy. Easy information, easy entertainment, easily
achievable goals, easy to throw away (insert everything you don't
like), and
yes even easy sex (we have a pill to help that). Well, it aint always
easy. Except for the sex part (speaking personally that is). ;-)
  
The point about the site that is important is that it works for many
many
people. If there is one overriding principle it is make sure you are
understanding very clearly what you are about to do before you start.
If
you don't know what %(w/v) means then you should not proceed. In fact
your exact next step at that point is, go find out what %(w/v) means
before you
go any further. Do not assume. Do not skip over. Go find out.
The fact that americans have this moronic attention span means that it
is very
difficult for us to take the time to just go and do this stuff
methodically. We cannot concentrate long enough to read a web page. We
see the fuel as miles rolling by our windscreen before the oil is even
reacted.
Carrot on a stick mentality. This is what the rulers of our society
have
created. Feel free to throw your television out the window if any of
this
bothers anyone! I guess it is hard for people in other parts of the
world
to know this about our infantile collective on this big island in the
sea. Take pity you cruel task master, we are but children emerging
from
the playground into a world of harsh reality.
  
Joe
  
Keith Addison wrote:
  
   
   LOL Brian!!!   
  
   Actually it's not funny. It's just inept, and it sows confusion -
   extracting such clouds of complexitites out of such simplicities is
   not exactly going to encourage newbies, though that's apparently what
   you're trying to do. Now it requires explanations of things which
   need no explanations, which always makes them appear more complex
   than they are, very encouraging for newbies, yes. Sigh...   
  
   
  
 I say this because I'd rather   
 not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my labwork. Tired is   
 all.   
 
  
  
   And I'm finally getting just a little tired of your saying our
   website doesn't work properly when it's quite obviously you who
   doesn't work properly.   
  
   How come, for starters, you're starting with WVO and not virgin oil?
   How come lots of things.   
  
   First of all, in order to re-establish the whereabouts of our feet
   somewhere near the surface of Planet Earth once again, see:   
   Basic titration   
   http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#titrate   
  
   snip   
  
   
  
 With readings of that which we could expect, we then moved on to basic   
 titration. If you all will bear with me a moment, I do have some   
 questions. I will intertwine my questions right into the JtF web site   
 directions for basic titration. Our hope is to clarify these   
 directions for ourselves and for other newbies as well. We believe   
 that there are several statements found here and in the email list   
 which are contradictory at best.   
 
  
  
   Uh-huh.   
  
   
  
 "Basic titration   
 An electronic pH meter is best, but 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rosa Parks Dead at 92

[Mike Weaver]

A giant among Americans - would that a such a leader appear now, when
we need to be shone the way.

As a side note, there was a time in the US when people of legal
distinction were appointed to the Supreme Court - people of the calibre
of Thurgood Marshall.
Now we have...Harrier Miers? A cipher at best.


Michael Redler wrote:

  FYI
  
  Peace,
  
  Mike
  
  uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:08:26 -0400
Subject: [isoinfo] Rosa Parks Dead at 92

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm6900_20051024.htm

  

  
  
  
  Rosa Parks, civil rights heroine, is dead
  Monday, October 24, 2005 
  BY CASSANDRA SPRATTLING
  FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
  When Rosa Parks refused to get up, an entire race of
people began to stand up for their rights as human beings. 
  It was a simple act that took extraordinary courage in
Montgomery, Ala., in 1955. It was a place where black people had no
rights white people had to respect. It was a time when racial
discrimination was so common, many blacks never questioned it. 
  At least not out loud. 
  But then came Rosa Parks. 
  This mild-mannered black woman refused to give up her seat
on a city bus so a white man could sit down. 
  Jim Crow laws had met their match. 
  Parks' refusal infused 50,000 blacks in Montgomery with
the will to walk rather than risk daily humiliation on the city's
buses. 
  This gentle giant, whose quietness belied her toughness,
became the catalyst for a movement that broke the back of legalized
segregation in the United States, gave rise to the astounding
leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and inspired fighters for
freedom and justice throughout the world. 
  Parks, the beloved mother of the civil rights movement, is
dead, a family member confirmed late Monday. 
  But already it's evident that her spirit lives in hundreds
of thousands of people inspired by her unwavering commitment to work
for a better world - a commitment that continued even after age and
failing health slowed her in the 1990s. 
  In death as in life, she touched the well known and the
little known people of the world. 
  'Freedom is for all human beings' 
  Parks' health had been declining since the late 1990s. She
had stopped giving interviews by then and rarely appeared in public.
When she did, she only smiled or spoke short, barely audible responses.
  
  In one of her last lengthy interviews with the Detroit
Free Press in 1995, she spoke of what she would like people to say
about her after she passed away. 
  "I'd like people to say I'm a person who always wanted to
be free and wanted it not only for myself; freedom is for all human
beings," she said during an interview from the pastor's study of St.
Matthew African Methodist Episcopal Church, a small congregation she
joined upon moving to Detroit in 1957. 
  While it's known worldwide that her refusal to give up her
bus seat sparked the Montgomery bus boycott, it's less well known that
Parks had a long history of trying to make life better for black
people. 
  It was a desire embedded in her from childhood by her
grandfather - her mother's father with whom she lived when she was
growing up. He taught his children and grandchildren not to put up with
mistreatment. "It was passed down almost in our genes," Parks wrote in
her 1992 autobiography, "My Story." (Puffin, $5.99) 
  She recalled that when her grandfather was home, he kept a
shotgun by his side in case the Ku Klux Klan dropped by. 
  Of her grandfather, Sylvester Edwards, she wrote: "I
remember that sometimes he would call white men by their first names,
or their whole names, and not say, 'Mister.' How he survived doing all
those kinds of things, and being so outspoken, talking that big talk, I
don't know, unless it was because he was so white and so close to being
one of them." 
  Her grandfather's father was a white plantation owner; his
mother a slave housekeeper and seamstress. 
  In recent years, Parks has relied heavily on a wheelchair
and, according to court documents, suffers from dementia. 
  The dementia was revealed as a result of two lawsuits
filed on her behalf against the record company for the hip hop duo
Outkast. The 1999 lawsuit claims the record label BMG Entertainment
violated her publicity and trademark rights for the 1998 song "Rosa
Parks,' by using her name without her permission for commercial
purposes. 
  But some of her family members claim Parks was incapable
of filing such a suit of her own accord. They say it was an attempt by
one of her attorneys, Gregory Reed and her longtime friend, Elaine
Steele, to get money. 
  Meanwhile, in October of this year a federal judge
appointed former 

Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Fred Finch]

local mass transit system (formerly a great system turned into a joke
by our state and local representation.) Now everyone drives, no
one walks and riding a bike here is a life threatening experience.

and...

I did encounter two smelly French guys at a local music store.
They did smell bad but had great taste in music. They were
viewing the new release of the Thelonious Monk Quartet Live at Carnegie
Hall (a *GREAT* recording!) I did not have the opportunity to ask
them about cheese.

also...

I have several Arab friends who would say that it is the US Government
that is acting as the terrorist. Racism not withstanding, they
feel the effects of this on a weekly basis.

But I digress...

I was able to follow the instructions on the JTF website without too
much difficulty. Because of a learning disability I was required
to read and re-read it several times. However, it did not cause
me any distress or confusion.

I have made several batches of biodiesel large and small, constructed 2
reactors and have loved every second of success and failure.

There was never a moment that I had to ask Keith to re-write any portion of the instructions.

fred
On 10/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  


No, but a lot are. I live here. I can look out the window.

As for the Arab/terrorist remark, what does that have to do with this
thread?
Let's keep the tone positive:
All Frenchmen know good cheese.
All Russians read great literature.


Derick Giorchino wrote:

  
  
   That is about the most ridicules statement
I have seen in some time. Not all Americans are lazy stupid or
helpless. Why don't
you say all Arabs are terrorists?  
   All the French smell all Russians are
drunks except?  
  
  
 
   From:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of  Joe Street 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005
11:26 AM
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific
method- Easy Keith!   
  
  
   Whoa Big Feller
  
Keith please don't forget Brian is an American, therefore he was born
and
raised to believe he is somehow special, and spoiled enough to expect
everything to be paint by numbers. American 'culture' is all about
instant gratification, less work vs more satisfaction/entertainment.
This
explains the typical american arrogance that drips from his rhetoric
and which
irritates you so well. I have no doubt that Brian is genuinely
frustrated
by his apparent lack of progress in this early stage but it is not
really HIS
fault, he has been conditioned with a set of expectations which do not
fit the
real world. This is why our insidious Disneyland 'culture' here in the
Americas (well at least Canada and US)
works so well because it has had the illusion of being sustainable for
so
long. I see this kind of attitude all the time with university
students. Even graduate students who are getting on in years; they
like
someone to lead them by the hand. We are a spoon fed continent. We
like
to have everything easy. Easy information, easy entertainment, easily
achievable goals, easy to throw away (insert everything you don't
like), and
yes even easy sex (we have a pill to help that). Well, it aint always
easy. Except for the sex part (speaking personally that is). ;-)
  
The point about the site that is important is that it works for many
many
people. If there is one overriding principle it is make sure you are
understanding very clearly what you are about to do before you start.
If
you don't know what %(w/v) means then you should not proceed. In fact
your exact next step at that point is, go find out what %(w/v) means
before you
go any further. Do not assume. Do not skip over. Go find out.
The fact that americans have this moronic attention span means that it
is very
difficult for us to take the time to just go and do this stuff
methodically. We cannot concentrate long enough to read a web page. We
see the fuel as miles rolling by our windscreen before the oil is even
reacted.
Carrot on a stick mentality. This is what the rulers of our society
have
created. Feel free to throw your television out the window if any of
this
bothers anyone! I guess it is hard for people in other parts of the
world
to know this about our infantile collective on this big island in the
sea. Take pity you cruel task master, we are but children emerging
from
the playground into a world of harsh reality.
  
Joe
  
Keith Addison wrote:
  
   
   LOL Brian!!!   
  
   Actually it's not funny. It's just inept, and it sows confusion -
   extracting such clouds of complexitites out of such simplicities is
   not exactly going to encourage newbies, though that's apparently what
   you're trying to do. Now it requires explanations of things which
   need no explanations, which always makes them appear more complex
   than they are, very encouraging for newbies, yes. Sigh...   
  
   
  
 I say this because I'd rather   
 not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my 

Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Michael Redler]

OK, you have my attention.

Derick wrote: "Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless."

As an American, I'd like to think that this is true. In fact, I don't thinkthat Americans aremore lazy than any other country or culture. Despite being the most obese country in the world, we find ourselves in the workplace at least as many hours as any other country in the world.

Joe wrote: "This explains the typical american arrogance that drips from his rhetoric and which irritates you so well."

There are expectations by Americans that other countries and cultures recognize us as somehow superior. If anyone doubts this, here is a little experiment: Take comments so commonlyheard in political speeches as well as at backyard barbecues (i.e. "We are the greatest country in the world") and apply it to Germany (for example). In fact, when an Americanpresident (especially our current president) makes a speech and it's translated into German and"The United States" is replaced with "Germany", I would argue that manyAmericans would be shocked thatANYhead of state would make such a speech. This is the American double standard which I like to call a kind of pseudo-mutuality since there are still a few countries who arepolitically and culturally aligned with this image.

There issomething terribly wrong with our culture and it's just outside the view of most citizens. CallingAmericans"lazy" though, isinaccurate andminimizesour long list of troubles.

This is what I mean by "list". You try to connect the dots.

1.) "We" have more homicides in our major cities than casualties inwar (irrespective of the circumstancesin that war).

2.) "We" have abizarre view of leadership and fairness by virtue of the fact that thepresident (irrespective of which president) is pledged allegiance even when he (not "she" -yet) takes action which adversely effects the majority of citizens. At the same time, Americans are knownfor supporting the "underdog" and down trodden - almost as if to perpetuate and preserve this demographic.

3.) "We" struggle to have a standard of K-12 education that matches that of other developed countries while placing huge emphasis on "faith" and mixed interpretations of morality.

4.) Half of the citizens in the United States do not support a document which prevented dictatorships and provided the means for citizens to prosper for the last two and a half centuries. At the same time, the same proportion of citizens don't show up to vote for (arguably) the most powerful political position in the free world.

http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjErequest=38800

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397df8d00620.htm

5.) Despite being a republic,the US government has taken it upon itself to preach democracy to other countries - countries with better representation of their citizens through coalition governments, better voter turnout and more opportunities for referendums.

6.) We have a so called "free press" which either hides or glorifies the last five points according to a political agenda, making Americans believe that journalism here is as comprehensive as that in otherdeveloped countries.

...and the list goes on.

One last note: I have a dual citizenship which allows me to permanently move out of the country. However, my "other list" of things that I love about my country (having nothing to do with government or politics) keeps me here. I prefer to stay and be one of many voices of dissent. 

Mike

Other References:
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/atheism9.htm
http://gozips.uakron.edu/~david27/flm/chap9.htm
http://www.accd.edu/pac/humaniti/colby/L19.htm


Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 










That is about the most ridicules statement I have seen in some time. Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless. Why donât you say all Arabs are terrorists?
All the French smell all Russians are drunks except?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe StreetSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:26 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

Whoa Big FellerKeith please don't forget Brian is an American, therefore he was born and raised to believe he is somehow special, and spoiled enough to expect everything to be paint by numbers. American 'culture' is all about instant gratification, less work vs more satisfaction/entertainment. This explains the typical american arrogance that drips from his rhetoric and which irritates you so well. I have no doubt that Brian is genuinely frustrated by his apparent lack of progress in this early stage but it is not really HIS fault, he has been conditioned with a set of expectations which do not fit the real world. This is why our insidious Disneyland 'culture' here in the Americas (well at least Canada and U!
 S) works
 so well because it has had the illusion of being sustainable for so long. I see this kind of attitude all the time with university students. Even graduate 

Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Fred Finch]

I was hoping that my description of my encounter with the music loving
Frenchmen included a complete showing of the forest. My apologies
if it did not.

The views of my Arab friends are theirs and would show the forest from a different point of view.

If what you are describing is the Bush Flu then yes the US and the
world is threatened. If it the Bird Flu you are describing, there
is a chance we will survive.

My best to you, 

fred


On 10/25/05, Frantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fred Finch a Žcrit : (...) I did encounter two smelly French guys at a local music store. (...) I have several Arab friends who would say that it is the US Government that is acting as the terrorist. (...)
please, don't make of one sample a generalityLook at the forest behind the tree.I've seen on TV an american guy called Bush, speaking, walking andthinking like a duck.Do you think that all americans are treatened by the bird flu ?
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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Frantz DESPREZ]

Fred Finch a Žcrit :

 (...)
 I did encounter two smelly French guys at a local music store. (...)
 I have several Arab friends who would say that it is the US Government 
 that is acting as the terrorist. (...)

please, don't make of one sample a generality
Look at the forest behind the tree.

I've seen on TV an american guy called Bush, speaking, walking and 
thinking like a duck.
Do you think that all americans are treatened by the bird flu ?



FD

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[Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist

[Chip Mefford]

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After my appeal for ethanol as fuel information a couple of
weeks back, I was contacted by Jan Warnqvist who asked me
to reply for more information.

I did reply, and never heard from you again.

Perhaps my off-list reply didn't make it for some
reason.

But here is the body of my response to you;

- --

 Jan Warnqvist wrote:
 
 
 Hello Chip.
 
 
 Hy Jan;
 
 
 I read your input on the JTF mailing list.
 I have experience in ethanol as a fuel for
 both 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines. Converting a 4-stroke 
 engine to ethanol is not a big thing, however making a 2-stroke 
 engine to run safe and properly on ethanol is a different matter 
 not in the least due to its way of lubrication. 
 
 
 yes, it is interesting.
 
 Were I trying to get a generic old 2 stoke to work, it would be one
 thing, as the older 2stoke engines used fuel/oil as a coolant
 as well as a lubricant/fuel.
 
 However, these newer husqvarna saw engines do a very wonderful
 job of completing the combustion in the combustion chamber, with
 very little un-spent fuel exhausting.
 
 Husqvarna has done an admirable job engineering these engines.
 
 However, here in the US, the alkyate fuels like Aspen are not
 available, or if they are, it's a real mystery as to where.
 Futher, even Aspen is non-renewable. Seems we in the US not
 only use the most petrol, we also use the lower quality petrols.
 Nothing to be proud of.
 
 The small things, like adapting the fuel system, guestimating
 the carb modifications and such are things I could probably do.
 However, trying to determine a good fuel/lubricant ratio
 for ethanol and perhaps using a bio-oil like biodiesel
 as a lubrication additive is quite simply beyond my quite limited skills.
 
 Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks very much for the reply.
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rosa Parks Dead at 92

[Kenji James Fuse]

Wow, somehow I thought she passed away long ago...

Thanks for the update, and now a quiet minute to remember...

kf

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Michael Redler wrote:

 FYI

 Peace,

 Mike

 uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:08:26 -0400
 Subject: [isoinfo] Rosa Parks Dead at 92

 http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm6900_20051024.htm

 Rosa Parks, civil rights heroine, is dead
 Monday, October 24, 2005

 BY CASSANDRA SPRATTLING
 FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

 When Rosa Parks refused to get up, an entire race of people began to stand up 
 for their rights as human beings.

 It was a simple act that took extraordinary courage in Montgomery, Ala., in 
 1955. It was a place where black people had no rights white people had to 
 respect. It was a time when racial discrimination was so common, many blacks 
 never questioned it.

 At least not out loud.

 But then came Rosa Parks.

 This mild-mannered black woman refused to give up her seat on a city bus so a 
 white man could sit down.

 Jim Crow laws had met their match.

 Parks' refusal infused 50,000 blacks in Montgomery with the will to walk 
 rather than risk daily humiliation on the city's buses.

 This gentle giant, whose quietness belied her toughness, became the catalyst 
 for a movement that broke the back of legalized segregation in the United 
 States, gave rise to the astounding leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., 
 and inspired fighters for freedom and justice throughout the world.

 Parks, the beloved mother of the civil rights movement, is dead, a family 
 member confirmed late Monday.

 But already it's evident that her spirit lives in hundreds of thousands of 
 people inspired by her unwavering commitment to work for a better world - a 
 commitment that continued even after age and failing health slowed her in the 
 1990s.

 In death as in life, she touched the well known and the little known people 
 of the world.

 'Freedom is for all human beings'

 Parks' health had been declining since the late 1990s. She had stopped giving 
 interviews by then and rarely appeared in public. When she did, she only 
 smiled or spoke short, barely audible responses.

 In one of her last lengthy interviews with the Detroit Free Press in 1995, 
 she spoke of what she would like people to say about her after she passed 
 away.

 I'd like people to say I'm a person who always wanted to be free and wanted 
 it not only for myself; freedom is for all human beings, she said during an 
 interview from the pastor's study of St. Matthew African Methodist Episcopal 
 Church, a small congregation she joined upon moving to Detroit in 1957.

 While it's known worldwide that her refusal to give up her bus seat sparked 
 the Montgomery bus boycott, it's less well known that Parks had a long 
 history of trying to make life better for black people.

 It was a desire embedded in her from childhood by her grandfather - her 
 mother's father with whom she lived when she was growing up. He taught his 
 children and grandchildren not to put up with mistreatment. It was passed 
 down almost in our genes, Parks wrote in her 1992 autobiography, My Story. 
 (Puffin, $5.99)

 She recalled that when her grandfather was home, he kept a shotgun by his 
 side in case the Ku Klux Klan dropped by.

 Of her grandfather, Sylvester Edwards, she wrote: I remember that sometimes 
 he would call white men by their first names, or their whole names, and not 
 say, 'Mister.' How he survived doing all those kinds of things, and being so 
 outspoken, talking that big talk, I don't know, unless it was because he was 
 so white and so close to being one of them.

 Her grandfather's father was a white plantation owner; his mother a slave 
 housekeeper and seamstress.

 In recent years, Parks has relied heavily on a wheelchair and, according to 
 court documents, suffers from dementia.

 The dementia was revealed as a result of two lawsuits filed on her behalf 
 against the record company for the hip hop duo Outkast. The 1999 lawsuit 
 claims the record label BMG Entertainment violated her publicity and 
 trademark rights for the 1998 song Rosa Parks,' by using her name without 
 her permission for commercial purposes.

 But some of her family members claim Parks was incapable of filing such a 
 suit of her own accord. They say it was an attempt by one of her attorneys, 
 Gregory Reed and her longtime friend, Elaine Steele, to get money.

 Meanwhile, in October of this year a federal judge appointed former Detroit 
 Mayor Dennis Archer as her guardian ad litem-a temporary, court-appointed 
 attorney to assure her interests in the lawsuits are fairly represented.

 Steele has had durable power of attorney over Parks and serves as her patient 
 advocate, meaning she will make medical decisions upon incapacitating illness 
 since 1998, according to documents obtained by the Free Press.

Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Kenji James Fuse]

Don't forget all the stupid and lazy Canadians up here. We've managed to
vote in a provinicial neo-con guv'ment up in british Columbia which can go
head to head with yours, selling off public utilities and ripping up
workers contracts faster than you can say our premier was busted for
drunk driving in the USA.
And that's just following the overall trend in Canada towards an agenda of
privatization, corporate back-bending and 'harmonization' 'twixt the US
and Kanada.
Back when I offensively asked about a centralized co-op type affair for
biodiesel producers, part of the goal was to fight public corporations. As
far as I can tell, most turmoil comes from the fact that the big companies
must continually increase their profits on a quarterly basis, which is
just not achievable anymore unless they resort to drastic measures.
The upcoming battle to destroy the stock market may be initiated and
completed by the success of alternative corporations which take the care
to create articles of incorporation which strategically take into account
human greed (wage caps) and endeavour to make airtight clauses to disallow
company sale, and prohibition to going public.
Whether this argument is misguided or not remains to be seen. Anyways, I
enjoy good arguments (already had some) so I await responses!

KF


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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

[tony]

Hi,
Are there additives or chemicals that can be added to biodiesels made
with oils of low iodine values to lower its melting point for use in
colder climates?

Tony

On 10/25/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Biodiesel made from animal fat (beef) begins to solidify at about 14 C
 and completely solidifies at 10 C. Other animal fats or any mixes I have not
 worked with as yet. This information is in table form on the JTF site.

 Tom Irwin

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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

[Joe Street]

Let's seesince your message originated from sbcglobal.net and you
don't know how to spell ridiculous, I'll go out on a limb here and
speculate that you are a fellow American. Sorry if I hit a nerve but
maybe you should take a look around. Since I am also American ( BTW
America refers to a couple of continents - not a country as is the
typical brash assumption of many US citizens) and when I refer to
American 'culture', I am referring to the US and it's subsidiary
Canada, I can do so without being accused of foreign bias (even though
we are all foreigners here who took over these lands from the native
people who were here first). We will leave Mexico out of the discussion
even though it is part of North America, due to the fact that it is
only important as our remote slave labour state. I wasn't referring to
all Americans, I was referring to Brian, but the validity of my
statement in general terms still stands. That is the problem with
generalizations, there are always a few exceptions. I wish there were
more.
 I don't know what Arabs, French and Russians have to do with
anything but on the subject of terrorism, perhaps you should educate
yourself as to what your own government, and the corporations who
control it, is up to in the world if indeed my assumption as to your
origin is correct. Check out Noam Chomsky's Power and Terror
for a clue (it is available in video form so you don't have to be able
to read something lengthy with complicated sentence structure).

Joe



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Re: [Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist

[Jan Warnqvist]

Sorry, Chip,
the response failed to reach your e-mail adress twice, and I stored it in my
other computer. I will re-send it again during the weekend
Jan
- Original Message -
From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist


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 After my appeal for ethanol as fuel information a couple of
 weeks back, I was contacted by Jan Warnqvist who asked me
 to reply for more information.

 I did reply, and never heard from you again.

 Perhaps my off-list reply didn't make it for some
 reason.

 But here is the body of my response to you;

 - --

  Jan Warnqvist wrote:
 
 
  Hello Chip.
 
 
  Hy Jan;
 
 
  I read your input on the JTF mailing list.
  I have experience in ethanol as a fuel for
  both 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines. Converting a 4-stroke
  engine to ethanol is not a big thing, however making a 2-stroke
  engine to run safe and properly on ethanol is a different matter
  not in the least due to its way of lubrication.
 
 
  yes, it is interesting.
 
  Were I trying to get a generic old 2 stoke to work, it would be one
  thing, as the older 2stoke engines used fuel/oil as a coolant
  as well as a lubricant/fuel.
 
  However, these newer husqvarna saw engines do a very wonderful
  job of completing the combustion in the combustion chamber, with
  very little un-spent fuel exhausting.
 
  Husqvarna has done an admirable job engineering these engines.
 
  However, here in the US, the alkyate fuels like Aspen are not
  available, or if they are, it's a real mystery as to where.
  Futher, even Aspen is non-renewable. Seems we in the US not
  only use the most petrol, we also use the lower quality petrols.
  Nothing to be proud of.
 
  The small things, like adapting the fuel system, guestimating
  the carb modifications and such are things I could probably do.
  However, trying to determine a good fuel/lubricant ratio
  for ethanol and perhaps using a bio-oil like biodiesel
  as a lubrication additive is quite simply beyond my quite limited
skills.
 
  Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
  Thanks very much for the reply.
 
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