Re: [Biofuel] Wood ash lye - was Re: New Biodiesel Catalyst

[Manick Harris]

Hello Keith,all,  The stuff you describe has a lot of potassium carbonate which must be converted to potassium hydroxide to make soap from veg oils. This can be done by boiling with slaked lime. You will get liquid soap. Get solid soap by washing this a few times with salt solution. I did not carry out this reaction but my dad did during WW2 when we were under Japanese regime here in Malaysia. He was running a soap factory in Buntong, Ipoh and the soap was first distributed to residents from the town field opposite St.Michael's School as any Ipohite will testify. Although I was much younger I can vouch thatit was indeed hard soap like any other which they were able to cut from a block by using detachable boxes with slits and steel wires. May my good dad RIP.  manickhKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From another list, four years ago:Okay, try this:Find some used drums or other containers,  spend a day running around seeing how much used cooking grease you can obtain for free from resatraunts. Once you get home with the stuff, strain it through a couple thicknesses of old bath towells. Then add 2 cups LYE (leached from wood ashes),  1 pint alcohol (moonshine etc.) to each 5 gallons, stir well. Allow to set over night to settle, then siphon the liquid off, leaving the thick glycerin in the bottom of the container.This stuff makes a perfect substitute for DEISEL FUEL (I've run one of my tractors on it for a decade!),  if you'll add some kerosene deodorizer, it works
 great in lamps  kerosene heaters as well!LOL!The person who sent it to me disagreed and referred him to JtF, but the guy with the undead tractor told him it was disinformation.Anyway, I guess that's the margin for screwing it up with experimental wood ash lye catalyst, it'll take at least ten years not to kill your tractor yet. Even a PDi should be okay for the legendary dozens of miles. Always look on the bright side of life, ta-dum.This is what Mother Earth News said long ago when it was still Mother Earth News:"Punch drain holes in the bottom of a five-gallon can, place a five-inch layer of straw inside, fill the container with ashes, and mount it on top of another five-gallon can. Then pour water into the upper vessel and, as it trickles through (a slow process when done correctly), add a little more each day until the lower can is nearly filled with . . . homemade
 lye water."Boil the solution in the lower can until a chunk of potato will float on its surface and then use it in your favorite soap recipe or in any other way that you need dissolved lye around the homestead. (And be careful! It can burn just as badly as the lye you buy in a store.) "BestKeith-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason KatieSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst   my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource  management(hes
 the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, everythreeyears a logging company is called in to thin out a small section ofthepark, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collectsthetops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood,which  isall oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods beasuitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls forhardwood,  butthere are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify.   anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an  
  alcoholdistillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any  realwaste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain  barrelcan make their own KOH.  there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is  theleast obvious.   Jason___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
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Re: [Biofuel] More Gardening News - micro ley farming

[Keith Addison]

Ola, Pannirselvam

Ola ,
Keith

As Brazil is one of the leading exporter of meat and chicken , this 
ley farming  information bring the old , the new all available 
information in one place  is best done. Animalanimal 
wastesmicrloagaefish and prawn organic gardening   using 
integrated  reuse of water  is our system modeling work for small 
scale farmer under our study for comunity developments.In this 
context I find very important  the Ley system for sutainable food, 
feed, fertilzer  and fuel. This can  more sustainable   the actual 
production  system .

I think so. If the results of large-scale ley farming and what we've 
done so far with micro-ley farming are anything to judge by, then the 
end of that line, organic gardening, can be looped back to the 
beginning - animal and animal wastes - more efficiently. We're 
thinking of adding fish into the micro-ley farming loop, I think 
there are lots of ways of doing it.

Best wishes

Keith


Thanking you

Pannirselvam



  


Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is about using ley farming rotational grazing techniques on
micro-farms. An overview so far.

Ley farming is the lost half of organic growing. It was used
alongside scientific composting in an integrated system developed by
Friend Sykes, Newman Turner and others with Sir Albert Howard, as
well as George Stapledon, in the 1930s to 50s. These were the
pioneers of organic growing. Ley farming was based on previous work a
hundred years ago by Robert Elliot of Clifton Park (The Clifton Park
System of Farming, see the Small Farms Library at Journey to
Forever).

In the 60s, after the pioneers died, organic farming was shunted
aside by the chemical interests and industrialised farming, and ley
farming was forgotten. The most important texts on it are in our
Small Farms Library, with more coming, and this has led to a recent
revival in ley farming.

Sow a piece of land with a good pasture mixture and then divide it
in two with a fence. Graze one half heavily and repeatedly with
cattle, mow the other half as necessary and leave the mowings there
in place to decay back into the soil. On the grazed half, you've
removed the crop (several times) and taken away a large yield of milk
and beef. On the other half you've removed nothing. Plough up both
halves and plant a grain crop, or any crop. Which half has the bigger
and better yield? The grazed half, by far. Ley Farming explains why
grass is the most important crop and how to manage grass leys. Leys
are temporary pastures in a rotation, and provide more than enough
fertility for the succeeding crops: working together, grass and
grazing animals turn the land into a huge living compost pile.

The rotating grassland produces dairy products and beef or mutton,
and the effect of the cow manure on the grass and the soil builds up
enough soil fertility to grow succeeding crops for three or four
years. After usually three years the enriched grass turf is disced
into the land to fertilise the grain and other crops to follow, three
or four years later that field goes back under grass with cattle or
sheep. It's a sustainable, largely self-sufficient organic system,
with low input, high output and high quality produce. Here's more
about it:

http://snipurl.com/q4xq
Re: [Biofuel] seeding a forage pasture

Here's the ley farming section at the Small Farms Library:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley
Small Farms Library - Ley Farming

IMO ley farming is THE sustainable farming system, it's complete, and
it's very flexible. List member Andres Yver, working at his new ley
farm in Argentina, described it as the cheap and easy way of farming.

I started working on this 23 years ago, and soon came to focus on
small-farm applications. I said in my previous post in this
occasional thread, About the best the small-scale folks can do is to
follow the traditional Chinese-style farming methods of the East.
It's basically gardening more than farming, they tend to each
individual plant, there's no mass-production, production rates are
very high and it's sustainable. It's one weakness perhaps is in
gearing animals to the land. That's what we're doing here, integrated
Chinese-style small-scale farming using organic methods and livestock
grazing systems. It fits very well with our work with biofuels and
energy, a model for sustainable food and fuel farms of the future.

And:

We have to deal with city farmers on one hand, gardeners basically,
often with very little or no land, and on the other hand with
farmers, who go about things in a quite different way, and there's
not very much common ground between the two. Or rather there's a
no-man's-land, at the peripheries of the cities and towns where
rising land values break up the farms into small parcels awaiting
development, where you find people like smallholders and
homesteaders, or folks with 600 sq meters of land like us, or 300 sq
yards of back garden like you Robert.

Nobody pays any attention to these people 

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

[John Beale]

Oh, and another thing:

There was an episode of Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers that I remember  
from my childhood where the villain, an evil genius (of course), plots  
to take over the city using a device that is powered by static  
electricity that he derives from cats' fur. He captured the cats and  
used gigantic mechanical arms equipped with brushes that functioned in  
a sort of scrubbing motion to charge up the static electricity. Perhaps  
someone should try to make a car run off cat fur.

I'd like to hear what Daniel Dingel has to say about this idea.

hah
-John





On May 13, 2006, at 10:13 AM, bob allen wrote:

 I automatically reject anything which

 1. appears to violate extremely simple laws of thermodynamics
 2. is supported by testimonial, rather than hard data.
 3. doesn't currently sell power to the grid with the device, even  
 though claims are made of power

 production.

 I guess I just have a lower tolerance for fraud, or at least a higher  
 standard for proof.



 D. Mindock wrote:
 Bob,
You have your mind set already to reject this. This guy
 is a successful inventor and businessman.
   Did you bother to read the wikipedia reference? I think
 not. You already know it, right? If you did you'd have seen
 that energies are created that are not readily explained. Things
 have changed from the 1970's, new discoveries are being
 made.

 sure, but the laws of thermodynamics is not one of those things that  
 have changed.
 toodles.


   Peace, D. Mindock


 - Original Message -
 From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water


 D. Mindock wrote:
 Bob,
 The inventor was
 quite adamant that over unity was being achieved in the early years  
 of
 development.
 overunity implies (to me anyway) that you get more energy out than  
 you put
 in.  If that is the case,
 why isn't this guy a bazzillionare?  why isn't he selling power all  
 over
 the globe? I'll tell you
 why, 'cause it ain't so.


 I think he stopped using this phrase so as not to be seen
 as a whacko (all breakthrough inventors are seen as such).
 no, he stopped using it because he couldn't support the claim with  
 real
 data.


  He was getting
 a lot of people interested but that was all.
 Anyway, some
 scientists have found temperatures being generated through  
 cavitation to
 be off the charts. Something strange is going on.
 I don't see anything strange.  I say a lecture on the subject of the  
 use
 sonoluminesence in the 70's
 up put energy in, and you get work -light and heat.

  Everytime there is a
 a dramatic change in physics, there are always those that think it  
 is
 blasphemy, for awhile. (Cold fusion is still under a dark cloud,  
 but it
 refuses
 to go away. Wonder why?)
 because people want to believe that endless energy abounds just  
 around the
 corner?

  Then as the science behind it becomes more widely
 accepted, there is a rapid change towards acceptance.  
 Sonoluminescence
 is such a thing.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminesence
 yes, but there is nothing magical or which violates any physical laws
 involved here.

   Temperatures of over a million degrees K. have been found inside
 collapsing bubbles. Excerpt from wikipedia:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

 Cavitating water purification devices have also been designed, in  
 which
 the
 extreme conditions of cavitation can break down pollutants and  
 organic
 molecules. Spectral analysis of light emitted in sonochemical  
 reactions
 reveal chemical and plasma based mechanisms of energy transfer. The  
 light
 emitted from cavitation bubbles is termed sonoluminesence.
 sonochemistry and sonoluminesence have been around for years, big  
 deal

 Peace, D. Mindock  P.S. Now the term bubble fusion is entering the
 lexicon
 of physics.
 along with N-rays, polywater, over-unity devices?


 - Original Message -
 From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water


 there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via
 ultrasonic energy input (NOTE
 ENERGY INPUT) and claiming to extract energy from nowhere.


 D. Mindock wrote:
 Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly
 to the people of the Phillipines. If he were a charlatan he would  
 want
 the money for himself and then disappear with it. IMO, I think  
 he's
 got something and I hope he finds a foundation, investor, etc., he
 trusts enough to get his technology tweaked  mass produced. But  
 the
 chances
 are slim at best. It is the same with other inventors like him.  
 One
 exception,
 (there may be others?) from Rome, Georgia, stopped using the  
 phrase
 over
 unity and
 was able to get his product which uses cavitation to heat up
 water, to market. He's now got a successful business going.
 But if he were using 

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

[John Beale]

I want to put in my two cents before this topic is lost forever...

Okay, first of all, I think this car is bunk. Completely bunk.

It obviously violates the laws of thermodynamics. The first issue here 
is that people will believe that water can be dumped into an engine and 
run a car because they want to believe it. They don't want to go to the 
pump and pay $50 to drive to work a few times. The other issue is that 
most people couldn't tell you what thermodynamics is. Seriously, go to 
Wal-Mart and walk up to someone and ask them to explain thermodynamics 
to you. If they bother to pay attention to you, they'll either respond 
with a resounding huh?! or tell you to get lost.

One person a couple of days ago said that they had thought of this idea 
when they were in 6th grade and then learned that it was impossible. I 
was one of those 6th graders also and my engineer father was the bearer 
of bad news. For the case of other people who don't have an engineer 
for a father and a scientist mother, see the previous paragraph.

Now, I agree with this:
I automatically reject anything which:
1. appears to violate extremely simple laws of thermodynamics
2. is supported by testimonial, rather than hard data.
3. doesn't currently sell power to the grid with the device, even 
though claims are made of power production. I guess I just have a lower 
tolerance for fraud, or at least a higher standard for proof.
My kudos go to Bob Allen.

Next, not only will this water require electrolysis, but it would also 
have to be distilled! Sea water is not just NaCl and water. It contains 
all kinds of plankton and fish parts and whatnot. It would have to be 
filtered, then distilled -- then comes the electrolysis. Thus, if he 
didn't maintain a constant pressure of hydrogen in the car, it would 
take much more than his 5 seconds that he claims it takes to start the 
car. In fact, it would be wise to distill even the tap water, because 
it is likely to contain flouride (in the USA, anyway), chloride, lead 
(hopefully not), iron, copper, bacteria, etc etc etc. So his claim that 
he can just do the electrolysis of any water is very shortsighted 
indeed.

My girlfriend is calling me to bed. Good night folks.
-John







On May 13, 2006, at 10:13 AM, bob allen wrote:

 I automatically reject anything which

 1. appears to violate extremely simple laws of thermodynamics
 2. is supported by testimonial, rather than hard data.
 3. doesn't currently sell power to the grid with the device, even 
 though claims are made of power

 production.

 I guess I just have a lower tolerance for fraud, or at least a higher 
 standard for proof.


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[Biofuel] Biodiesel from sewage....

[Bob Molloy]

Hi all,
 Here t'is, at 
last,grow-your-own fuel -from little ol' Noo Zealand would you 
believe?
Regards,
Bob.


NZ firm makes bio-diesel from sewage in world 
firstBy Errol Kiong

A New Zealand company has 
successfully turned sewage into modern-day gold.Marlborough-based Aquaflow 
Bionomic yesterday announced it had producedits first sample of bio-diesel 
fuel from algae in sewage ponds. 
It is believed to be the world's first commercial production of 
bio-dieselfrom "wild" algae outside the laboratory - and the company 
expects to beproducing at the rate of at least one million litres of the 
fuel each yearfrom Blenheim by April. 
To date, algae-derived fuel has only been tested under 
controlledconditions with specially grown algae crops, said spokesman 
Barrie Leay.Aquaflow's algae, however, were derived from excess pond 
discharge fromthe Marlborough District Council's sewage treatment works. 
Algae take mostchemicals out of sewage, but having too many of them taints 
the water andproduces a foul smell. 
Creating fuel from the algae removes the problem while producing 
usefulclean water, said Mr Leay. The clean water can then be used for 
stockfood, irrigation and, if treated properly, for human consumption. 

Mr Leay said the process could also benefit dairy farmers and 
foodprocessors as the algae also thrive in those industries' waste 
streams. 
And unlike some bio-fuel sources which require crops to be specially 
grown- using more land, fuel, chemicals and fertilisers - the algae 
alreadyexist extensively. 
To get the fuel, the algae are processed into a pulp before lipid oils 
areextracted to be turned into bio-diesel. 

Ref: New Zealand Herald website.
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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator PV Modules

[Kirk McLoren]

silicon semiconductors are not the material of choice for concentrating collectors.Gallium arsenide stand much higher temps.regular solar panels can take probably a concentration of 3 but output voltage drops as temperature rises.  Discoloration/lack of transparency can occur as well. A few years back "mud" solar panels were offered at a discount. They were removed from service in a concentrator-tracker(Carrizo). The cells were dark brown as a result of degradation of an adhesive used to bond the cells to a cover glass. I don't know if recent panels are built the same way but you need to know this before running them with more light. I assume uv was the culprit. Too bad no one has a mirror that just reflects the wavelengths the silicon uses.Also concentrators destroy things if they stagnate.Kirk  Logan Vilas
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The main concern would be thermal transfer rates of the materials that thecell is made out of and max temp the cell can handle. I know PV are madefrom silicone, but is there any more depective terms for the material? Forexample all Iron is not steel and every version of it has different thermaltransfer rates. What is the maximum working temp of PV modules? From Thosetwo things I can calculate the maximum amount of concentration that shouldwork. Also approximately how large is a 50watt panel?I can pick a PV module then based on size and material thermal transfer Ican calculate the thermal transfer it would have in BTUs. I would thendivide by 3.4 and that's the number of watts it can have aimed at it.There's approximately 1000watts per square meter energy from the sun. Themirrors
 are about 92% reflective and I would figure there it going to beabout 10% loss to heating the air between the PV and the mirrors. 82.8percent of the energy will be transferred to the PV. That's 828watts persquare meter of mirrors. Divide the thermal transfer by 828 and that's themax concentration that can be focused at that cell to keep it at the sametemp as the input temp of the coolant you are using. The overall design should be engineered to keep the cell within working templimits without loosing much of the power gain, so under 200F (I'm guessing),while being able to dissipate 100% of the heat that is concentrated. Itwould need to dissipate all the heat because of the chance that noelectricity will be used and all the energy will become heat. When 20-30% ofthe energy is being turned into electricity then the cell temp will remainan equal percentage lower. At these temps it could be done with water and noadditives,
 but a closed system with relief valve would be best otherwise thewater would evaporate. I am thinking a closed loop system of filtered and dewatered UVO. I havefirefighting material called fire blockade that can be added at 1% mixtureand that will ensure the oil is nonflamiable. That would cause the fluid tonot boil off or spontaneously combust.Logan Vilas-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke YewdallSent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:30 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator  PV ModulesThis is exactly what I did my master's thesis on. The concept workspretty well from a theoretical perspective. I was just investigatingusing water cooling for non-concrentrating PV, but it would work evenbetter for concentrating PV. You shouldn't really have to deal with1200F, at
 least if you are talking about water, because the maximumworking temp for a water based fluid is probably about 400F or so??(assuming antifreeze additives and increased pressure). Depends onhow much pressure you are talking about I guess.On 5/13/06, Jason  Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: in theory, if one could find a way to waterproof the back of a PV cell it could be used as the heat-side plate in this concentrator/boiler found at (or after) http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/solar/page_46.htm you could safely increase the power range of a smaller PV cell without too horribleof a heat loss. the problem is finding a sealing substance that wont melt or burn under these 1200*F temperatures. - Original Message - From: "logan vilas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re:
 [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator  PV Modules I am working with the idea of building my own Concentrator with about 50  times the mirror space then collector space. That Is why the questionwas  asked in the first place I was wondering if placeing a 50watt solarpanel  at  the focal point would increase the power output. I've read that it ismore  then 100% liner increase in power output when increasing the amount of  light  on it. a normal panel at 50 watts would be 2500 watts at 50 suns. I know  it  would need to be kept cool. due to the fact that they are only 20-30%  efficent, but I could use the coolant to heat my biodiesel processor,then  the hot water going into my home before a tankless heater. 

[Biofuel] The Spies Who Shag Us

[D. Mindock]

The BushCo spy network (NSA, FBI, CIA, etc., over a dozen in all) wants to 
know all the details of our lives and will even
spend our taxpayer money to get it.  This is a necessary requirement to run 
a totalitarian government. Our
lives are to be an open book while our government hides behind the phrase 
National Security wrt its
actions and deeds. Everyone is a suspected terrorist. It seems to me that 
this regime is afraid, terrified, of revealing
what they're really attempting to do domestically and internationally. They 
fear We the People, so they're
attempting to control us, keep us in check. We can only judge by their 
actions, all of which indicate it ain't pretty
and will only get less so.
 Peace, D. Mindock
-

May 12, 2006

The Spies Who Shag Us
The Times and USA Today have Missed the Bigger Story -- Again
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Greg Palast
I know you're shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that George Bush is listening in on all 
your phone calls. Without a warrant. That's nothing. And it's not news.

This is: the snooping into your phone bill is just the snout of the pig of a 
strange, lucrative link-up between the Administration's Homeland Security 
spy network and private companies operating beyond the reach of the laws 
meant to protect us from our government. You can call it the privatization 
of the FBI -- though it is better described as the creation of a private 
KGB.


For the full story, see Double Cheese With Fear, in Armed Madhouse: Who's 
Afraid of Osama Wolf and Other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class 
War. [Armed Madhouse will be out soon]

The leader in the field of what is called data mining, is a company, 
formed , called, ChoicePoint, Inc, which has sucked up over a billion 
dollars in national security contracts.

Worried about Dick Cheney listening in Sunday on your call to Mom? That 
ain't nothing. You should be more concerned that they are linking this info 
to your medical records, your bill purchases and your entire personal 
profile including, not incidentally, your voting registration. Five years 
ago, I discovered that ChoicePoint had already gathered 16 billion data 
files on Americans -- and I know they've expanded their ops at an explosive 
rate.

They are paid to keep an eye on you -- because the FBI can't. For the 
government to collect this stuff is against the law unless you're suspected 
of a crime. (The law in question is the Constitution.) But ChoicePoint can 
collect if for commercial purchases -- and under the Bush Administration's 
suspect reading of the Patriot Act -- our domestic spying apparatchiks can 
then BUY the info from ChoicePoint.

Who ARE these guys selling George Bush a piece of you?

ChoicePoint's board has more Republicans than a Palm Beach country club. It 
was funded, and its board stocked, by such Republican sugar daddies as 
billionaires Bernie Marcus and Ken Langone -- even after Langone was charged 
by the Securities Exchange Commission with abuse of inside information.

I first ran across these guys in 2000 in Florida when our Guardian/BBC team 
discovered the list of 94,000 felons that Katherine Harris had ordered 
removed from Florida's voter rolls before the election. Virtually every 
voter purged was innocent of any crime except, in most cases, Voting While 
Black. Who came up with this electoral hit list that gave Bush the White 
House? ChoicePoint, Inc.

And worse, they KNEW the racially-tainted list of felons was bogus. And when 
we caught them, they lied about it. While they've since apologized to the 
NAACP, ChoicePoint's ethnic cleansing of voter rolls has been amply assuaged 
by the man the company elected.

And now ChoicePoint and George Bush want your blood. Forget your phone bill. 
ChoicePoint, a sickened executive of the company told us in confidence, 
hope[s] to build a database of DNA samples from every person in the United 
States …linked to all the other information held by CP [ChoicePoint] from 
medical to voting records.

And ChoicePoint lied about that too. The company publicly denied they gave 
DNA to the Feds -- but then told our investigator, pretending to seek work, 
that ChoicePoint was the number one provider of DNA info to the FBI.

 And that scares the hell out of me, said the executive (who has since 
left the company), because ChoicePoint gets it WRONG so often. We are not 
contracting out our Homeland Security to James Bond here. It's more like 
Austin Powers, Inc. Besides the 97% error rate in finding Florida felons, 
Illinois State Police fired the company after discovering ChoicePoint had 
produced test results on rape case evidence … that didn't exist. And 
ChoicePoint just got hit with the largest fine in Federal Trade Commission 
history for letting identity thieves purchase 145,000 credit card records.

But it won't stop, despite Republican senators shedding big 

[Biofuel] Fw: The original Mother's Day in the USA

[D. Mindock]

Jeannie Breeze is a fellow member of the Progressive Democrats of St Louis 
and actively works for
peace by hosting and/or participating in events throughout the year. Peace, 
D. Mindock

==

Bright Stars!
   Most of you are probably aware of the fact that the original Mother's 
Day was actually a day calling for women everywhere to join together to 
stop the carnage of war. Perhaps it is time for Julia Ward Howe's vision to 
be fulfilled. On this day, I especially honor Cindy Sheehan and the other 
thousands of women who have sacrificed their sons (and daughters) on the 
altar of war. May peace prevail on Planet Earth. Love  light, jeannie

Mother's Day was originally started after the Civil War, as a protest to the 
carnage of that war, by women who had lost their sons. Here is the original 
Mother's Day Proclamation from 1870, written by Julia Ward Howe, followed by 
a bit of history (or should I say herstory):
==..

Arise, then, women of this day! Arise all women who have hearts, whether our 
baptism be that of water or of tears!

Say firmly: We will not have great questions decided by irrelevant 
agencies. Our husbands shall not come to us, reeking with carnage, for 
caresses and applause. Our sons shall not be taken from us to unlearn all 
that we have been able to teach them of charity, mercy and patience.

We women of one country will be too tender of those of another country to 
allow our sons to be trained to injure theirs. From the bosom of the 
devastated earth a voice goes up with our own. It says Disarm, Disarm! The 
sword of murder is not the balance of justice.

Blood does not wipe our dishonor nor violence indicate possession. As men 
have often forsaken the plow and the anvil at the summons of war, let women 
now leave all that may be left of home for a great and earnest day of 
counsel. Let them meet first, as women, to bewail and commemorate the dead.

Let them then solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means whereby 
the great human family can live in peace, each bearing after their own time 
the sacred impress, not of Caesar, but of God.

In the name of womanhood and of humanity, I earnestly ask that a general 
congress of women without limit of nationality may be appointed and held at 
some place deemed most convenient and at the earliest period consistent with 
its objects, to promote the alliance of the different nationalities, the 
amicable settlement of international questions, the great and general 
interests of peace.

Julia Ward Howe - Boston
1870

*
Biography of Julia Ward Howe
US feminist, reformer, and writer Julia Ward Howe was born May 27, 1819 in 
New York City. She married Samuel Gridley Howe of Boston, a physician and 
social reformer. After the Civil War, she campaigned for women rights, 
anti-slavery, equality, and for world peace. She published several volumes 
of poetry, travel books, and a play. She became the first woman to be 
elected to the American Academy of Arts and Letters in 1908. She was an 
ardent antislavery activist who wrote the Battle Hymn of the Republic in 
1862, sung to the tune of John Brown's Body. She wrote a biography in 1883 
of Margaret Fuller, who was a prominent literary figure and a member of 
Ralph Waldo Emerson's Transcendentalists. She died in 1910.
Mother's Day for Peace - by Ruth Rosen.
Honor Mother with Rallies in the Streets.The holiday began in activism; it 
needs rescuing from commercialism and platitudes.

Every year, people snipe at the shallow commercialism of Mother's Day. But 
to ignore your mother on this holy holiday is unthinkable. And if you are a 
mother, you'll be devastated if your ingrates fail to honor you at least one 
day of the year.

Mother's Day wasn't always like this. The women who conceived Mother's Day 
would be bewildered by the ubiquitous ads that hound us to find that 
perfect gift for Mom.  They would expect women to be marching in the 
streets, not eating with their families in restaurants.  This is because 
Mother's Day began as a holiday that commemorated women's public activism, 
not as a celebration of a mother's devotion to her family.

The story begins in 1858 when a community activist named Anna Reeves Jarvis 
organized Mothers' Works Days in West Virginia.  Her immediate goal was to 
improve sanitation in Appalachian communities.  During the Civil War, Jarvis 
pried women from their families to care for  the wounded on both sides. 
Afterward she convened meetings to persuade men to lay aside their 
hostilities.

In 1872, Julia Ward Howe, author of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, 
proposed an annual Mother's Day for Peace.  Committed to abolishing war, 
Howe wrote: Our husbands shall not come to us reeking with carnage... Our 
sons shall 

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

[Richard Littrell]

Dear John,

Your cat powered car violates an even more basic law than
thermodynamics. This is the law that states that a cat will never do
anything even remotely useful to humans unless it wants to and that
such occasions are both never predicable and very rare. 

Rick

John Beale wrote:

  Oh, and another thing:

There was an episode of Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers that I remember  
from my childhood where the villain, an evil genius (of course), plots  
to take over the city using a device that is powered by static  
electricity that he derives from cats' fur. He captured the cats and  
used gigantic mechanical arms equipped with brushes that functioned in  
a sort of scrubbing motion to charge up the static electricity. Perhaps  
someone should try to make a car run off cat fur.

I'd like to hear what Daniel Dingel has to say about this idea.

hah
-John





On May 13, 2006, at 10:13 AM, bob allen wrote:

  
  
I automatically reject anything which

1. appears to violate extremely simple laws of thermodynamics
2. is supported by testimonial, rather than hard data.
3. doesn't currently sell power to the grid with the device, even  
though claims are made of power

production.

I guess I just have a lower tolerance for fraud, or at least a higher  
standard for proof.



D. Mindock wrote:


  Bob,
   You have your mind set already to reject this. This guy
is a successful inventor and businessman.
  Did you bother to read the wikipedia reference? I think
not. You already know it, right? If you did you'd have seen
that energies are created that are not readily explained. Things
have changed from the 1970's, new discoveries are being
made.
  

sure, but the laws of thermodynamics is not one of those things that  
have changed.
toodles.




Peace, D. Mindock


- Original Message -
From: "bob allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water


  
  
D. Mindock wrote:


  Bob,
The inventor was
quite adamant that over unity was being achieved in the early years  
of
development.
  

overunity implies (to me anyway) that you get more energy out than  
you put
in.  If that is the case,
why isn't this guy a bazzillionare?  why isn't he selling power all  
over
the globe? I'll tell you
why, 'cause it ain't so.


I think he stopped using this phrase so as not to be seen


  as a whacko (all breakthrough inventors are seen as such).
  

no, he stopped using it because he couldn't support the claim with  
real
data.


 He was getting


  a lot of people interested but that was all.
Anyway, some
scientists have found temperatures being generated through  
cavitation to
be "off the charts". Something strange is going on.
  

I don't see anything strange.  I say a lecture on the subject of the  
use
sonoluminesence in the 70's
up put energy in, and you get work -light and heat.

 Everytime there is a


  a dramatic change in physics, there are always those that think it  
is
blasphemy, for awhile. (Cold fusion is still under a dark cloud,  
but it
refuses
to go away. Wonder why?)
  

because people want to believe that endless energy abounds just  
around the
corner?

 Then as the science behind it becomes more widely


  accepted, there is a rapid change towards acceptance.  
Sonoluminescence
is such a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminesence
  

yes, but there is nothing magical or which violates any physical laws
involved here.



Temperatures of over a million degrees K. have been found inside
collapsing bubbles. Excerpt from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

Cavitating water purification devices have also been designed, in  
which
the
extreme conditions of cavitation can break down pollutants and  
organic
molecules. Spectral analysis of light emitted in sonochemical  
reactions
reveal chemical and plasma based mechanisms of energy transfer. The  
light
emitted from cavitation bubbles is termed sonoluminesence.
  

sonochemistry and sonoluminesence have been around for years, big  
deal



  Peace, D. Mindock  P.S. Now the term "bubble fusion" is entering the
lexicon
of physics.
  

along with N-rays, polywater, over-unity devices?



  - Original Message -
From: "bob allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water


  
  
there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via
ultrasonic energy input (NOTE
ENERGY INPUT) and 

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

[Jason Katie]

there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol 
production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would 
provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump. the 
whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals 
and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens 
of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil 
tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule 
for product, repairs, and crew.
the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against 
possible leakages into the ocean.
- Original Message - 
From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


 Hello,

 I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
 based BD
 plant flooting around the oceans.

 I would be into something like this.

 Do we have any info on how to...???

 Andrew


 A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
 wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404

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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator PV Modules

[Jason Katie]

ok i might be behind the times,but if an aluminum heat sink, similar to a 
processor cooler was attatched to the wet side of the pv cell and immersed 
into the coolant fluid would it lower the surface temp of the pv cell even 
further?
- Original Message - 
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator  PV Modules



 Zeke,

 Thermal solar panels can reach surface temperatures around 400
 degree Celsius, but with pump or thermal driven circulation the water
 temperatures will not reach boiling temperature and open system can
 be used. I have such a system on my roof. Generally the efficiency
 is around 35%. The normal PV cells have 8 to 12% efficiency and
 the new high efficient ones around 34% efficiency, need cooling
 in concentrator applications. If the concentrator is not too efficient,
 they can be mounted on an air cooling device, similar to what is used
 for electronic components, otherwise they must have liquid cooling.

 Design criteria for thermal solar panels was researched by Spanish
 and Swedish Universities in Almeria, Spain, in 1960's. This was used
 by a Swedish company, that now deliver 70% of the world market for
 commercial thermal solar elements. They are delivered in rolls, cut to
 size and the space for the liquid is then expanded with air pressure.

 This is my understanding of the quite interesting current technological
 situation. Since you did your master on solar panels, it would be very
 interesting to get your view on where this is moving and perspective on
 future possibilities.

 Hakan


 At 00:29 14/05/2006, you wrote:
This is exactly what I did my master's thesis on.  The concept works
pretty well from a theoretical perspective.  I was just investigating
using water cooling for non-concrentrating PV, but it would work even
better for concentrating PV.  You shouldn't really have to deal with
1200F, at least if you are talking about water, because the maximum
working temp for a water based fluid is probably about 400F or so??
(assuming antifreeze additives and increased pressure).  Depends on
how much pressure you are talking about I guess.

On 5/13/06, Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  in theory, if one could find a way to waterproof the back of a PV cell 
  it
  could be used as the heat-side plate in this concentrator/boiler found 
  at
  (or after) http://www.ida.net/users/tetonsl/solar/page_46.htm you could
  safely increase the power range of a smaller PV cell without too
 horrible of
  a heat loss. the problem is finding a sealing substance that wont melt 
  or
  burn under these 1200*F temperatures.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator  PV Modules
 
 
  I am working with the idea of building my own Concentrator with about 
  50
   times the mirror space then collector space. That Is why the question 
   was
   asked in the first place I was wondering if placeing a 50watt solar 
   panel
   at
   the focal point would increase the power output. I've read that
 it is more
   then 100% liner increase in power output when increasing the amount 
   of
   light
   on it. a normal panel at 50 watts would be 2500 watts at 50 suns. I 
   know
   it
   would need to be kept cool. due to the fact that they are only 20-30%
   efficent, but I could use the coolant to heat my biodiesel
 processor, then
   the hot water going into my home before a tankless heater. If I were 
   to
   get
   a grid tied inverter It would suppliment my normal power useage and 
   maby
   with netmetering it might come close to canceling out my power
   requirements
   alltogther. a simple temp sensor could be used so if the temp
 is over 150f
   in the coolant it will shut down and not collect the sun
 anymore. As for a
   solar tracker that is relative easy with very simple electronics. The
   setup
   to hold everything would be a simple build for most people who can 
   make
   their own biodiesel processor. And If I base it off a 7 meter dish I 
   can
   get
   those free. I just have to use the labor to remove it.
  
   Logan Vilas
   - Original Message -
   From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
   Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:59 PM
   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Concentrator  PV Modules
  
  
  I am speaking mostly from experience, from what I have seen work and
   fail in the field, and what I can buy to install for my clients. The
   reason I talk about trackers on large poles is because that is what 
   is
   commercially sold right now (at least in the US, europe is ahead of 
   us
   in many areas).  And the biggest reason I see for failed systems is
   lack of maintenance (mostly batteries, but also anything that 
   moves).
   Also, the number of new innovative PV systems that I 

[Biofuel] Anhydrous potassium hydroxide(?)

[Marc DeGagne]

Hello all

I recently purchased a 20kg bag of 90% flake KOH that, IF I
have my facts correct, has some conflicting information on the label.
It says "Potassium hydroxide-anhydrous" followed by some safety info,
then at the bottom of the label it lists the contents of the bag as;
potassium hydroxide and water. I thought anhydrous meant without
water. I conducted a search online of the manufacturer to gather info
but nothing turned up. In anyone's expert opinion is this something I
need to be concerned about?

Thanks 

Marc




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Re: [Biofuel] Wood ash lye - was Re: New Biodiesel Catalyst and process

[pan ruti]

Ola,Keith , Manick and all. Even though , the debate , doughts go on for the long time here about this topic , it is not yet clear to me about the real value of obtaining the new catalyst from ash.And I suppose also that the same for some of our list members too .As Manick has pointed out that the potassium carbonate is the major one in ash ,It will be interesting some one here bringing the information about the average chemical composition of the ash.As I understand that the carbonate can be also act as the catalyst, may be the combination of the several non metallic Na, K, Ca , Silica can be more powerful catalyst too, thus
 making the explanation to the good result's reported , even the reaction going under room temperature. How ever reproducing the result with the use of the ash is another problem too to get the results reproduced. As used WVO has been already cracked , can be also another path to make the low temperature catalyst , any heating the oil to remove the water is an pretreatment needed, thus optimization of this heating process , like the very slight pyrolysis shown to be effective to crack and separate out the glycerin with very little loss , yet to be achieved in practice . Thus the combined KOH making from ash , the pretreatment of the soft pyrolysis by heating the oil and light cracking to separate out glycerin as pretreatment, then the low temperature catalysis can be very promising new root with new low
 cost catalyst , with out need for reusable costlier catalyst. This root can be well easily home made by any poor man too. No need for methoxy combination of alcohol with catalysts. Thus the data's available to all of us show that such simple solutions to the complex problems may be possible. Let all of us share our views. If simple method can work , we may end up the war based on non renewable , as the people can make the bio fuel as simple as to make the soap , or salt , with out the need for big investments and machines , but involving the art as well as social technology based on our collaborative work , with no need for huge machine and instrumentation , thus we all can transfer this process to all the place where there is real need .This new process can be reality , if all our list sharing capacity very
  high. More experimental result's are needed using slaked lime converting the carbonates into more powerful , practical catalyst for rural areas.Thus the method pointed out by Manick can prove to more useful to render to come over practical catalyst .Some conclusions are needed on this very long new catalyst thread of very important topics.Some patents are available.we need to bring here all the patents some about carbonate too Will this can be effective or not .Expect good results in this new process and new catalytic root. SDPannirselvam.Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith,all,  The stuff you describe has a lot of potassium carbonate
 which must be converted to potassium hydroxide to make soap from veg oils. This can be done by boiling with slaked lime. You will get liquid soap. Get solid soap by washing this a few times with salt solution. I did not carry out this reaction but my dad did during WW2 when we were under Japanese regime here in Malaysia. He was running a soap factory in Buntong, Ipoh and the soap was first distributed to residents from the town field opposite St.Michael's School as any Ipohite will testify. Although I was much younger I can vouch thatit was indeed hard soap like any other which they were able to cut from a block by using detachable boxes with slits and steel wires. May my good dad RIP.  manickhKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From another list, four years ago:Okay, try
 this:Find some used drums or other containers,  spend a day running around seeing how much used cooking grease you can obtain for free from resatraunts. Once you get home with the stuff, strain it through a couple thicknesses of old bath towells. Then add 2 cups LYE (leached from wood ashes),  1 pint alcohol (moonshine etc.) to each 5 gallons, stir well. Allow to set over night to settle, then siphon the liquid off, leaving the thick glycerin in the bottom of the container.This stuff makes a perfect substitute for DEISEL FUEL (I've run one of my tractors on it for a decade!),  if you'll add some kerosene deodorizer, it works  great in lamps  kerosene heaters as
 well!LOL!The person who sent it to me disagreed and referred him to JtF, but the guy with the undead tractor told him it was disinformation.Anyway, I guess that's the margin for screwing it up with experimental wood ash lye catalyst, it'll take at least ten years not to kill your tractor yet. Even a PDi should be okay for the legendary dozens of miles. Always look on the bright side of life, ta-dum.This is what Mother Earth News said long ago when it was still Mother Earth News:"Punch drain holes in the bottom of a five-gallon can, place a five-inch layer of straw inside, fill the container with 

[Biofuel] Mythbusters screw up.

[Alan Petrillo]

On Mythbusters episode 53

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html?clik=fanmain_leftnav

the Mythbusters tackled The Great Gas Conspiracy.  One of the things 
they covered was vegetable oil in diesels.

They blew it.

They ran a Mercedes on WVO, and several times made the point that this 
was an unmodified diesel engine, and anyone could just pour this stuff 
in their tank.  They made that unmodified point several times.

I expect we're going to see a rash of ruined injection pumps thanks to 
this.  Maybe if they receive an avalanche of email they'll revisit the 
vegetable oil diesel subject before their screwup costs a lot of people 
a lot of money.


AP


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Re: [Biofuel] Anhydrous potassium hydroxide(?)

[DHAJOGLO]

That does sound fishy.  I'm not certain of the hydrate quantity of KOH if left 
open to the atmosphere but anhydrous should be hydrate free.  If the bag is not 
air tight then your KOH most likely would have absorbed water and possibly CO2. 
 I'm not sure the process to dessicate KOH but JTF may have some tips.

-dave

On Sunday, May 14, 2006  7:35 PM, Marc Degagne wrote:

Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:35:29 -0500
From: Marc Degagne
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Anhydrous potassium hydroxide(?)

Hello all

 I recently purchased a 20kg bag of 90% flake KOH that, _IF_ I have my
facts correct, has some conflicting information on the label.  It says
Potassium hydroxide-anhydrous followed by some safety info, then at
the bottom of the label it lists the contents of the bag as; potassium
hydroxide and water.  I thought anhydrous meant without water.  I
conducted a search online of the manufacturer to gather info but nothing
turned up.  In anyone's expert opinion is this something I need to be
concerned about?

Thanks

Marc








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Re: [Biofuel] Mythbusters screw up.

[Zeke Yewdall]

 A mercedes probably won't immediately die on  WVO.  It uses a gear
driven plunger type injector pump instead of the more common timing
belt driven rotary style.  From what I have heard, it can handle more
viscous fluid alot easier.

Of course, you'll still get coking of the injectors from cold oil, and
if you try this on any other diesel other than a detroit diesel, which
has piston type unit injectors, your injector pump won't be happy.

So, yes, they blew it.  They just happened to pick the one vehical
that would stand it for a while...

On 5/14/06, Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mythbusters episode 53

 http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html?clik=fanmain_leftnav

 the Mythbusters tackled The Great Gas Conspiracy.  One of the things
 they covered was vegetable oil in diesels.

 They blew it.

 They ran a Mercedes on WVO, and several times made the point that this
 was an unmodified diesel engine, and anyone could just pour this stuff
 in their tank.  They made that unmodified point several times.

 I expect we're going to see a rash of ruined injection pumps thanks to
 this.  Maybe if they receive an avalanche of email they'll revisit the
 vegetable oil diesel subject before their screwup costs a lot of people
 a lot of money.


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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

[Zeke Yewdall]

 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.

Isn't that ironic, considering all the oil tankers/cargo ships/hi
powered sonar pollution/overfishing we already subject the ocean to.
Some biodegradable biodiesel or alcohol is what we're concerned about
??

On 5/14/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol
 production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would
 provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump. the
 whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals
 and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens
 of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil
 tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule
 for product, repairs, and crew.
 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.
 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


  Hello,
 
  I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
  based BD
  plant flooting around the oceans.
 
  I would be into something like this.
 
  Do we have any info on how to...???
 
  Andrew
 
 
  A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
  wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:
 
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Diebold security flaw worst ever!

[Zeke Yewdall]

So, if all these voting machines so easy to hack, why let the
republicans hack them first.  Don't the progressives have anyone with
the ability to do this?  I can see the ethical problem of subverting
democracy, but letting someone else subvert your democracy isn't a
great option either...

On 5/13/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 These Diebold machines are the ace up the sleeve for the neo-con Repugs
 here in the U$ of A. November 2006, the next
 big election, for seats in US Congress, is fast approaching. Peace, D.
 Mindock
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 Scientists Call Diebold Security Flaw Worst Ever
 By Ian Hoffman

 Inside Bay Area
 Thursday 11 May 2006

 Critics say hole created for upgrades could be exploited by someone with
 nefarious plans.
 Computer scientists say a security hole recently found in Diebold
 Election Systems' touch-screen voting machines is the worst ever in a
 voting system.
 Election officials from Iowa to Maryland have been rushing to limit the
 risk of vote fraud or disabled voting machines since the hole was reported
 Wednesday.
 Scientists, who have conferred with Diebold representatives, said
 Diebold programmers created the security hole intentionally as a means of
 quickly upgrading voting software on its electronic voting machines.
 The hole allows someone with a common computer component and knowledge
 of Diebold systems to load almost any software without a password or proof
 of authenticity and potentially without leaving telltale signs of the
 change.
 I think it's the most serious thing I've heard to date, said Johns
 Hopkins University computer science professor Avi Rubin, who published the
 first security analysis of Diebold voting software in 2003. Even describing
 why I think it's serious is dangerous. This is something that's so easy to
 do that if the public were to hear about it, it would raise the risk of
 someone doing it This is the worst-case scenario, almost.
 Diebold representatives acknowledged the security hole to Pennsylvania
 elections officials in a May 1 memo but said the probability for exploiting
 this vulnerability to install unauthorized software that could affect an
 election is considered low.
 California elections officials echoed that assessment Friday in a
 message to county elections chiefs.
 But several computer scientists said Wednesday that those judgments are
 founded on the mistaken assumption that taking advantage of the security
 hole would require access to voting machines for a long time.
 I don't know anyone who considers two minutes lengthy, if it's that,
 said Michael Shamos, a Carnegie Mellon University computer science professor
 and veteran voting-systems examiner for the state of Pennsylvania.
 It's the most serious security breach that's ever been discovered in a
 voting system. On this one, the probability of success is extremely high
 because there's no residue Any kind of cursory inspection of the machine
 would not reveal it.
 States using Diebold touch screens are going to have to fix it because
 they can't have an election without having a fix to this, he said.
 Otherwise, states risk challenges from losing candidates while being unable
 to prove easily that the machines worked as designed.
 At least two states - Pennsylvania and California - have ordered tighter
 security and reprogramming of all Diebold touch screens, using software
 supplied by the state and a method opened by the security hole. Local
 elections officials then must seal certain openings on the machines with
 tamper-evident tape.
 David Wagner, an assistant professor of computer-science at the
 University of California, Berkeley and a technical adviser to the California
 secretary of state's office, said the new measures should minimize risks in
 the June 6 primary.
 Elections officials in Georgia, which uses Diebold touch screens
 statewide, said existing state rules already are sufficient.
 Bev Harris, founder of BlackBoxVoting.org, a nonprofit group critical of
 electronic voting, said she isn't sure reprogramming and sealing the touch
 screens will fix the problem.
 Voting machines often are delivered to polling places several days
 before elections, and the outside case of Diebold's touch screens is secured
 by common Phillips screws. Inside, a hacker can take advantage of the
 security hole, as well as access other security holes, without disturbing
 the tamper-evident seals, Harris said.
 Ultimately, there's no way to get rid of the huge security flaws in the
 design, she said.
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Re: [Biofuel] shockwaves, cavitation... and faster bio?

[JJJN]

I dont know if you saw my post on the use of venturis in Biodiesel but 
if you didn't it would be worth a review.  Just the use of a venturi 
enhances the mix rate exponentialy. and is cheap and simple.

Jim

Jason  Katie wrote:

as one has seen over time, i save emails that i find interesting, and once 
in a while i get the brilliant flash to put some of the contained ideas 
together.

the properties of cavitiation include:

1) agitation
2) heat
3) vaporization resulting in larger active surface area

could we use these properties in a semi passive system of the aperture 
control scheme (defined in the wikipedia article 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation ) that is commonly used today, and 
take advantage of these three properties to speed and enhance the BD 
process? granted there will still need to be an external heat source, a 
pump, and possibly a little vacuum, but these are already part of the well 
known process we enjoy today.

any ideas?

jason 


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Re: [Biofuel] Now Is the Time for a Left-Right Alliance

[JJJN]

Hi D,
No not now -  this should have happened after we invaded Iraq and prior 
to the second four years.

 I honestly am not a progressive or a conservative.  I simply listen to 
both sides of an issue and look for the truth that comes from each then 
decide where America as a people will benefit the most -  NOT where I 
will benefit or where my special interests lie,   but where the most 
Americans will stand to benefit (without the loss of life and liberty to 
someone in another country as a result of the benefit to these 
Americans.).  I believe JFK said ask not what your country can do for 
you but what you can do for your country I understand some issues are 
very complicated and do not have simple answers but when you jump on a 
party line that says  this is bad and thats good don't bother to 
think,  then you have just become blind to the real solutions.
Best,
Jim

D. Mindock wrote:

 http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/10305 
 http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/10305

 Now Is the Time for a Left-Right Alliance

 A rebel alliance already exists that could stop Bush administration
 attacks on the Constitution
 by Thomas R. Eddlem

 I'm currently a life member of the John Birch Society and formerly
 served on the staff of the organization for 13 years.

 So why should any left-winger reading this care a fig about what I have
 to say?

 Because of a conversation I had with another conservative magazine
 writer recently. In frustration at the unconstitutional excesses of the
 Bush administration, I blurted out to him: The only people doing any
 good out there are the people at Air America. I expected to shock him
 with the statement, but his two-word reply shocked me: And MoveOn.org.

 We were both exaggerating for effect, but fact is, as my journalist
 friend continued, We probably only disagree on, maybe, 25 percent of
 the issues. I'd have put the percentage a little higher, though I
 tacked an ending onto his sentence: .and those issues aren't especially
 important right now.

 When Air America started, I told myself and my friends that it would
 fail because it would be redundant. The Left already controls all the
 television networks besides Fox, along with most of the major
 newspapers. But here we are a year later, and the most penetrating news
 analysis on television is - and I'm not exaggerating here - Jon
 Stewart's Daily Show on Comedy Central.

 I tuned into the Boston Air America affiliate when I became a community
 radio talk show host almost two years ago, thinking that I could use a
 few of their wild statements as a springboard to bounce my counterpoint.
 And although I got a few yuks out of quips about Airhead America, I
 found that I agreed with the hosts more than I disagreed with them.

 They criticized the Bush administration for deceiving us into the Iraq
 war. No problem there. They criticized Alberto Gonzales for his torture
 memos. Again, no problem. They criticized deficit spending, the PATRIOT
 Act, and corporate welfare. Hurray, hurray, and hurray!

 So I called into a few progressive radio talk shows, identifying
 myself as a right-wing radio talk show host, and explained my
 understanding of these issues. Stephanie Miller told me that I was a
 not a very good right-winger. A liberal show host at my radio station
 even called me a liberal.

 But my views haven't changed one bit since I joined the John Birch
 Society during the Reagan administration. So this is not a conversion
 story.

 What's changed is that the Bush administration has simply gotten that
 bad and that, according to some polls, we are almost at the point where
 most genuine conservatives realize it.


 Thomas R. Eddlem is a native of the Boston area of Massachusetts and a
 graduate of Stonehill College. He is a radio talk show host in
 Southeastern Massachusetts and is a frequent contributor to The New
 American magazine.



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