Re: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it)

2006-11-11 Thread Thomas Kelly
Bobby,
 You wrote
The top is now clear methanol 

  I'm confused.
  If the top layer was methanol, it would be dissolved in the presumed 
methyl esters and there would not be a top layer.

You wrote:
 the middle and largest layer is a clear, bright amber color
 (I assume this is methyl esters)

 Ther is a simple way to find out. Remove 10ml and attempt to dissolve 
it in 90ml of methanol.

  I would expect the cloudy white layer on bottom to be water, but you 
say it is a small layer. It should be roughly equal the amount of water 
you added for the wash.

 I'm going to try to re-create the mix    see what happens.

 We've all experienced emulsions. They are a symptom of a processing 
problem, and as such, very helpful in developing a good process as well as a 
good processor. Some causes: incomplete reactions, soap formation due to 
water in oil, excess caustic, glycerine contamination in the wash.

   The way to deal with emulsions is described at JTF     choose 
heat or mild acid (ex vinegar).
  Best wishes,
  Tom

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From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it)


 Now that the mixture has completely settled, I have 4 layers. The top is 
 now
 clear methanol, the middle and largest layer is a clear, bright amber 
 color
 (I assume this is methyl esters) the bottom two layers all small layers, 
 one
 appears to be emulsion (yellow, gummy looking) and the very bottom appears
 to be a cloudy white phase.

 Again, can someone tell me what is going on?

 Bobby


From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel]  Please explain (I blew it)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:58:24 -0500

So this is my first batch of biodiesel that went bad because of an
incomplete reaction. So, just for grins I took some of the emulsion and
mixed it with about 25% methanol in a jar. Within seconds the emulsion 
sank
to the bottom, and now I have three layers: a slightly cloudy, clear phase
on the top (I assume the methanol), a clear amber phase in the middle (I
assume methyl esters) and a small layer of mayonnaise on the bottom (I
assume part of the emulsion). Can anyone explain what is going on here? 
Can
I take the middle layer and just process it a little further (with some
methoxide)? If I have what I think, this may be a good way to salvage
emulsified batches.

Bobby

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[Biofuel] How Bush Built North Korea's Bomb

2006-11-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://eatthestate.org/11-05/HowBushBuilt.htm
(November 9, 2006)
How Bush Built North Korea's Bomb

by Janice Van Cleve

North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test on October 16, 
2006. Iran is almost certainly plunging headlong with its own nuclear 
enrichment program. These two members of Bush's axis of evil have 
been developing nuclear capabilities since the 1980s, yet Bush wasted 
all of America's military force and international credibility 
attacking the weak third member of the axis, Iraq. Iraq had no 
nuclear program, no weapons of mass destruction, no control over its 
own airspace, was under sanctions, was under international 
inspections, and was for all practical purposes successfully 
contained.

When President Clinton came into office in 1993, ten nations 
possessed nuclear weapons: the United States, Russia, England, 
France, China, Israel, South Africa, Ukraine, Belarus, and 
Kazakhstan. When he left office in 2001, only eight nations had 
nuclear weapons. Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan returned their old 
Soviet era nukes to Russia, and South Africa voluntarily dismantled 
theirs. The United States had 12,000 nuclear warheads in 1992 to 
Russia's 25,000. By the end of Clinton's terms, those numbers had 
been reduced to 11,000 and 10,000 respectively. The United States has 
not developed or tested any nuclear weapon since 1992. The world was 
a safer place then, and international security was relatively stable.

To be sure, two new nations joined the nuclear club at the end of 
Clinton's Presidency: India exploded a small device in 1974 but its 
first major test was in 1998, followed in rapid succession by 
Pakistan two weeks later. The Republican-controlled Congress paid no 
attention; they were intent only on persecuting Clinton and pandering 
to their own right wing fundamentalists. Bush subsequently lifted 
Clinton's sanctions against both countries and rewarded them with 
agreements and alliances. Now the two mutually hostile nations are 
estimated to have 205 nuclear bombs between them, and the renegade 
Pakistani scientist, Abdul Khan, shared his expertise with Iran, 
North Korea, and Libya.

What message did this send to North Korea? Build the bomb first, 
then talk. North Korea began its nuclear program in 1989, when the 
Soviet Union collapsed. In 1993 Pyongyang threatened to withdraw from 
the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty it had signed in 1985. Clinton 
sent Robert Gallucci to negotiate in spite of heavy Republican 
opposition. The Republicans claimed that this was rewarding North 
Korea for its bad behavior. Clinton replied that negotiation is 
better than brinkmanship for American security. North Korea relented. 
According to the terms of the Agreed Framework, the US began to 
supply North Korea with heavy fuel oil and two light water nuclear 
electrical plants. The communist regime stopped plutonium enrichment 
and shut down their facility at Yongbyon.

In 1994, the Republicans swept into control of Congress. They refused 
to ratify the Agreed Framework, and dragged their feet on the 
American part of the deal. Famine hit North Korea and Kim Dae Jung of 
South Korea launched his Sunshine Policy, for which he won the Nobel 
Peace Prize. Under this policy, food was supplied to the North, 
relatives were able to meet across the borders, and Pyongyang even 
opened up a free trade zone. North Korea launched a missile over the 
Sea of Japan in 1998, drawing sharp protests from Tokyo, but did not 
enrich one ounce of plutonium. The following year, Clinton sent 
another envoy and this time Kim Jung Il agreed to inspections and 
freezing of all missile tests. In 2000, Clinton even sent Secretary 
of State Madeleine Albright to North Korea as a sign of better 
recognition and easing tensions with the isolated country.

Along comes George Bush in 2001. Right after his inauguration, Bush 
stunned Kim Dae Jung of South Korea by declaring that he would not 
continue talks with the North. The Bush administration ignored North 
Korea, the Middle East, and Iran. Miffed, Kim Jung Il threatened to 
restart missile testing. Bush reluctantly agreed to talks but 
expanded his demands. Kim Jung Il rejected the demands and launched a 
missile. Two months later, Al-Qaeda crashed airliners into the World 
Trade Center and the Pentagon.

September 11 did many things, one of which was to reveal serious 
vulnerabilities in the vaunted military and intelligence capabilities 
of the United States. More seriously, 9-11 gave an untrained, 
ill-equipped cowboy and his posse a platform for playing sheriff on a 
world stage. Bush lost no time in doing so. In October, he launched 
the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan. In January, he gave his 
infamous axis of evil speech, which was received by the world as a 
serious military threat by an angry and vengeful America. Bush 
escalated his rhetoric even further with the announcement that the 
United States would launch preemptive strikes against 

[Biofuel] Drowning In Pig Shit

2006-11-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://eatthestate.org/11-05/NaturePolitics.htm
(November 9, 2006)
Nature  Politics

by Jeffrey St. Clair

Drowning In Pig Shit

I grew up south of Indianapolis on the glacier-smoothed plains of 
central Indiana. My grandparents owned a small farm, whittled down 
over the years to about 40 acres of bottomland, in some of the most 
productive agricultural land in America. Like many of their neighbors 
they mostly grew field corn (and later soybeans), raised a few cows 
and bred a few horses.

Even then farming for them was a hobby, an avocation, a link to a way 
of life that was slipping away. My grandfather, who was born on that 
farm in 1906, graduated from Purdue University and became a master 
electrician, who helped design RCA's first color TV. My grandmother, 
the only child of an unwed mother, came to the US at the age of 13 
from the industrial city of Sheffield, England. When she married my 
grandfather she'd never seen a cow; a few days after the honeymoon 
she was milking one. She ran the local drugstore for nearly 50 years. 
In their so-called spare time, they farmed.

My parents' house was in a sterile and treeless subdivision about 
five miles away, but I largely grew up on that farm: feeding the 
cattle and horses, baling hay, bushhogging pastures, weeding the 
garden, gleaning corn from the harvested field, fishing for catfish 
in the creek that divided the fields and pastures from the small 
copse of woods, learning to identify the songs of birds, a lifelong 
obsession.

Even so, the farm, which had been in my mother's family since 1845, 
was in an unalterable state of decay by the time I arrived on the 
scene in 1959. The great red barn, with its multiple levels, vast 
hayloft, and secret rooms, was in disrepair, the grain silos were 
empty and rusting ruins, the great beech trees that stalked the 
pasture hollowed out and died off, one by one, winter by winter.

In the late 1960s, after a doomed battle, the local power company 
condemned a swath of land right through the heart of the cornfield 
for a high-voltage transmission corridor. A fifth of the field was 
lost to the giant towers and the songs of redwing blackbirds and 
meadowlarks were drowned out by the bristling electric hum of the 
power lines.

After that the neighbors began selling out. The local diary went 
first, replaced by a retirement complex, an indoor tennis center, and 
a sprawling Baptist temple and school. Then came a gas station, a 
golf course, and a McDonalds. Then two large subdivisions of upscale 
houses and a manmade lake, where the water was dyed Sunday cartoon 
blue.

When my grandfather died from pancreatic cancer (most likely 
inflicted by the pesticides that had been forced upon him by the ag 
companies) in the early 1970s), he and a hog farmer by the name of 
Boatenwright were the last holdouts in that patch of blacksoiled land 
along Buck Creek.

Boatenwright's place was about a mile down the road. You couldn't 
miss it. He was a hog farmer and the noxious smell permeated the 
valley. On hot, humid days, the sweat stench of the hogs was 
nauseating, even at a distance. In August, I'd work in the fields 
with a bandana wrapped around my face to ease the stench.

How strange that I've come to miss that wretched smell.

That hog farm along Buck Creek was typical for its time. It was a 
small operation with about 25 pigs. Old man Boatenwright also ran 
some cows and made money fixing tractors, bush hogs, and combines.

Not any more. There are more hogs than ever in Indiana, but fewer hog 
farmers and farms. The number of hog farms has dropped from 64,500 in 
1980 to 10,500 in 2000, though the number of hogs has increased by 
about 5 million. It's an unsettling trend on many counts.

Hog production is a factory operation these days, largely controlled 
by two major conglomerations: Tyson Foods and Smithfield Farms. Hogs 
are raised in stifling feedlots of concrete, corrugated iron, and 
wire, housing 15,000 to 20,000 animals in a single building. They are 
the concentration camps of American agriculture, the filthy abattoirs 
of our hidden system of meat production.

Pig factories are the foulest outposts in American agriculture. A 
single hog excretes nearly three gallons of waste per day, or 2.5 
times the average human's daily total. A 6,000-sow hog factory will 
generate approximately 50 tons of raw manure a day. An operation the 
size of Premium Standard Farms in northern Missouri, with more than 
two million pigs and sows in 1995, will generate five times as much 
sewage as the entire city of Indianapolis. But hog farms aren't 
required to treat the waste. Generally, the stream of fecal waste is 
simply sluiced into giant holding lagoons, where it can spill into 
creeks or leach into ground water. Increasingly, hog operations are 
disposing of their manure by spraying it on fields as fertilizer, 
with vile consequences for the environment and the general ambience 
of the neighborhood.

Over the past 

Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra

2006-11-11 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Joe,

You are absolutely right in suggesting that there are problems with mercury 
and other toxins that we are exposed to but todays society presents them as 
a minor problem and therefore we should not worry about them.
Actully new studies suggest that there are approximately 100,000 toxic 
chemicals that we are exposed to that were unknown to our grand parents.  It 
sometimes takes many years before health problems show up from these toxins.
The average food cart at the super market contains 60 to 80 toxic chemicals.

Terry Dyck


From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:31:33 -0500

Ok this is the part I don't get.  You keep saying there in a massive cohort 
of subjects walking around with amalgams and how come we aren't seeing a 
problem, and I'm telling you there's a massive cohort of subjects and we 
are seeing problems. I can't prove it is the amalgam and you can't prove 
it's not.  And it has nothing to do with a coverup or conspiracy by the 
medical association cause they don't know for sure either.( but there is 
the precautionary principle right?)  At the time amalgams were first used 
they seemed like a wonderful solution. Trans fat was going to be the 
solution to a problem as well remember? All I'm saying is that one day when 
you say to yourself 'crap, I just found out that I should wear gloves when 
I change the engine oil on my car cause there's stuff in there that can 
harm me if I get it on my skin' then you wear gloves right?  You don't go 
on getting motor oil all over your hands.  But maybe if you're an 
unscrupulous garage owner you don't bother to tell your mechanics about the 
issue because then you have to do something for them and it might cut into 
your profits. Unfortunately I'm just as skeptical of UV cure epoxies as I 
am now of the amalgam I have in my head.  Epoxy is the new wonderful 
solution but it has even less of a track record. Gold is probably fine but 
then I have to be careful next time I go to the third world walking around 
with that gold flashing in my mouth.  If I go porcelain my buds will accuse 
me of having a glass jaw and what can I say? Ahh you can't win.  Stay away 
from candy kiddies!

Joe

robert and benita rabello wrote:

Joe Street wrote:

Hi Robert;


Yeah I got your point.  My point was that people are making claims ( 
please for the moment don't pull a 'show me the data'  just for 
argument's sake allow me this for a moment) they are making claims that 
just maybe a large upswing in the occurrance of certain diseases may be 
related to long term effects of low level exposure to certain toxins, 
mercury being one of the suspects.  Sure it's complicated by rising 
levels of all kinds of unhealthy things in trace concentrations in our 
environment, the air we breathe and the water we drink, the food supply.


 The overall impact of environmental insults is very difficult to 
determine.  As Keith pointed out, the SYNERGY of these chemicals may be 
related to a host of human ills, and our methods for identifying cause / 
effect relationships remains weak in many cases.  But saying a negative 
correlation exists simply because I THINK it exists smacks of 
superstition.

 I grew up in Los Angeles during the 1960's, and I remember how 
TERRIBLE the air was back then.  It burned my eyes and made me short of 
breath.  It killed the trees in the Angeles National Forest and caused 
serious trouble for kids and elderly folk with asthma.  Yet the auto 
makers refused to accept the correlation between car exhaust and smog.  
There were scientific studies and public hearings, court cases and a 
flurry of media attention before the state finally FORCED auto makers to 
address the issue.

 Without evidence, however, nothing would have changed.

 The same type of problem exists on your end of the continent with 
respect to pollution from factories and refineries.  We have a huge 
backlog of investigating to do with respect to the garbage we're putting 
into our air, water, food and environment.  But labeling a whole host of 
health problems on dental fillings serves no purpose but to make concerns 
over environmental problems sound like the rantings of Inquisitors hunting 
witches.

   Maybe that's the big picture here. Check with fisheries on the 
guidelines for those fish you are pulling out of the Fraser for example. 
So maybe the body of evidence is massive and right there in front of us. 
Questionmark.
Check out what this SFU paper has to say about mercury levels in the 
Fraser watershed and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) the ones that 
can slip into your DNA helix and have fun with your cellular 
reproduction.

http://www.rem.sfu.ca/FRAP/aquae.pdf


 Ugh!  Now I'm not going to be able sleep tonight!  (insert sarcastic 
tone) Thanks a lot, Joe . . .  : - )

 Adult 

Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra

2006-11-11 Thread Keith Addison
G'day all

Hi Joe,

You are absolutely right in suggesting that there are problems with mercury
and other toxins that we are exposed to but todays society presents them as
a minor problem and therefore we should not worry about them.
Actully new studies suggest that there are approximately 100,000 toxic
chemicals that we are exposed to that were unknown to our grand parents.  It
sometimes takes many years before health problems show up from these toxins.
The average food cart at the super market contains 60 to 80 toxic chemicals.

 From a previous message:

Moreover, processing enhances shelf life and limits microbial toxins.
See the references below for some background.

Processing, or the kind of processing you're talking about, might 
help to instil some sort of keepability in the thoroughly 
denatured industrialized crap some people call food (emotional? - 
yes! AND true!) but it'd be more accurate to call it embalming than 
life.

More than 5,000 additives are used in food processing, the average 
consumer eats the equivalent of 13 aspirin-sized tablets per day of 
food additives. Many of them are naturally occurring substances, but 
such rates of consumption are in no way natural. All perfectly 
safe of course, they've all had the same safety tests as thalidomide 
did. Um, except that, as Thor said, nothing is known about their 
synergistic effects. For instance, some are safe when taken 
individually, but can pair up with other safe substances to form 
co-carcinogens.

The following is about the environment, not the human body, but it applies:

 We do not and can not test for all the combinations of toxic 
synthetic chemicals and how they affect the environment. Example: 
The herbicide Dicamba is characterized as slightly toxic or 
practically nontoxic to fish. It has been found that this is 
widely variable. If Dicamba is absorbed by vermiculite (a common 
ingredient in potting soils) its toxicity increases by 30 times. No 
effects were observed on yearling coho salmon at 100 ppm. However, 
it has now been found that doses as small as 0.25 ppm can kill coho 
salmon as they migrate from seawater to fresh water for spawning.
 
 Researchers at the University of Florida and Tulane University 
have found that endosulfan, toxaphene, dieldrin and chlordane when 
tested by themselves had a weak estrogen response. However, when 
combine the response increased dramatically. For example when 
endosulfan and dieldrin were combined the estrogenic potency 
increased up to 1,600 times over the individual chemicals! Reported 
in Journal Science, National Wildlife Oct./Nov. 1996.
 
 Research with mice found that combinations of herbicides such as 
atrazine and aldicarb and fertilizers such as nitrate can alter 
thyroid hormones, suppress immune systems and affect nervous system 
functions, resulting in increased aggressive behavior among the 
young mice. This University of Wisconsin study headed by 
toxicologist Dr. Warren Porter was published in the mid-March issue 
of Toxicology and Industrial Health, 2002.

A further awkwardness is that many of these chemicals were tested in 
the 1970s and early 80s by a US company called Industrial Biotests. 
Strangely, it's now quite hard to find information on Industrial 
Biotests. Anyway, the company was visited unexpectedly by tax 
inspectors suspecting tax evasion, but what they found instead was 
evidence of widespread falsification of test data. That wasn't their 
remit, so they left and called the feds. When the feds arrived it 
was to find the directors furiously shredding the evidence, most of 
which was destroyed. But not all. They were convicted, but in a very 
odd decision, considering the record of the chemical industry (and 
subsequent such cases), the court ruled that there was no reason to 
suspect that the chemical companies which had sent their chemicals 
to IBT for safety testing (virtually all of them) had any knowledge 
of the falsification. Why then were the tests being falsified? It 
was also ruled that the test results would be allowed to stand for 
those chemicals for which the records had been destroyed.

With safety like that, who needs risks?

:-(

Best

Keith


Terry Dyck


 From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:31:33 -0500
 
 Ok this is the part I don't get.  You keep saying there in a massive cohort
 of subjects walking around with amalgams and how come we aren't seeing a
 problem, and I'm telling you there's a massive cohort of subjects and we
 are seeing problems. I can't prove it is the amalgam and you can't prove
 it's not.  And it has nothing to do with a coverup or conspiracy by the
 medical association cause they don't know for sure either.( but there is
 the precautionary principle right?)  At the time amalgams were first used
 they seemed like a wonderful solution. Trans