Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus

[A. Lawrence]

Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are,
albeit in a different manner??


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus


> Can anyone help Tom?
>
> He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here.
>
> Thanks!
>
> All best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >From: "tom habasco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: humanure to humus
> >Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006
> >
> >Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court
> >in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of
> >organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for
> >many decades.
> >  Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me
> >to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his
> >book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle
> >illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting
> >humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing
> >fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my
> >defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have
> >no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything.
> >  How do we convince these youngsters at the so called "health
> >dept's" that composting is safe and a much better approach to our
> >handling of the environment than there septic approach?
> >  I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right
> >to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens "
> >under half acre of gardens" and compost including humanure.If I fail
> >at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved
> >away by them at my cost.
> > This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance
> >that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support
> >me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by
> >becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil.
> > Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007,
>
>
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[Biofuel] amazing resource

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/
   
  Some brilliant presentations here I have downloaded several.
   
  Hans Rosling was a delight. Dont miss it!!!
  Hans Rosling  Hans Rosling is professor of international health at Sweden's 
world-renowned Karolinska Institute, and founder of Gapminder, a non-profit 
that brings vital global data to life. (Recorded February, 2006 in Monterey, 
CA.)
Watch Online Download Audio Download Video 

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[Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus

[Keith Addison]

Can anyone help Tom?

He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here.

Thanks!

All best

Keith


>From: "tom habasco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: humanure to humus
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006
>
>Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court 
>in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of 
>organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for 
>many decades.
>  Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me 
>to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his 
>book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle 
>illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting 
>humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing 
>fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my 
>defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have 
>no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything.
>  How do we convince these youngsters at the so called "health 
>dept's" that composting is safe and a much better approach to our 
>handling of the environment than there septic approach?
>  I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right 
>to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens " 
>under half acre of gardens" and compost including humanure.If I fail 
>at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved 
>away by them at my cost.
> This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance 
>that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support 
>me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by 
>becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil.  
> Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007,


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Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22

[Kirk McLoren]

Frustrating that proven innovation is so slow to be accepted. John Fry 
expressed his frustration to me regarding the Santa Barbara sewage plant and 
their purchase of natural gas to heat with and their discarding of the bio gas.
  Makes me wonder sometimes if there is much hope.
   
  Kirk

John Mullan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Well, I guess we Canucks are just slow but not totally stupid. 

   
  John
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OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22


  The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles)
  Kirk


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[Biofuel] Guerrilla biofuels - Fwd: Belgium, the french fried banana republic

[Keith Addison]

>From: [address removed]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Belgium, the french fried banana republic
>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006
>
>hallo,
>
>i' ve spent the last few days reading practically all the biodiesel 
>content of your amazing site. Many, many thanks...
>Where can one start? I'll have to write things down in a schoolbook 
>sort of way, because my English has become a bit rusty.
>As you might know, Belgium is a French fry eating country; we 
>produce vast amounts of WVO, which is still considered as hazardous 
>waste product by our authorities. This has a reason. A couple of 
>years ago there was a big national health scandal: A malafide 
>company who collects WVO and animal grease, used these products for 
>the fabrication of live stock food (fudder?). Due to criminal 
>negligence, there had been a contamination of WVO with PCB's 
>(polychloorbifenyl, highly toxic stuff that's being used in electric 
>transformators).
>This poisin got into the food chain, so many tons of various food 
>and animals had to be destroyed. It caused a national panic, not in 
>the least in political matters. To avoid similar contaminations in 
>the future, strict regulations were set for the collection and 
>treatment of WVO. Practically, this means you can't just buy a 
>couple of barrels of WVO from your local "Friterie", if you want to 
>start homebrewing biodiesel. Only a few big compies have a permit to 
>collect WVO from restaurants etc., and they're obliged to destroy 
>the WVO. One company in my town would like to start to produce 
>biodiesel, but the government will not give permission. As you can 
>guess, the production of any kind of "fuel" is strictly regulated, 
>and making your own biodiesel"fuel" without permission is considered 
>illegal; the punishment for breaking the law is considerable. A 
>while ago, the Belgian media entousiastically spread the news that 
>Belgian companies will soon start with the production of biodiesel: 
>only a few candidates were granted a permit to produce biodiesel, 
>and guess what... They were all related with or funded with money of 
>BIG OIL and BIG CHEMICAL like TOTAL and BASF. It would take me too 
>far to explain how the rules were written to favor BIG CAPITAL, and 
>to exclude small cooperatives. The vast amounts of biodiesel that 
>they intend to produce, will not be sold as pure biodiesel, but will 
>be mixed with fossil fuel. Cynical, isn't it? For the individual, it 
>is illegal to convert your own WVO (if you can get a sufficiant 
>amount, ILLEGALLY) into biodiesel, and there are no gas stations 
>where you can buy pure biodiesel. It is however LEGAL, to drive a 
>converted vehicle with PPO, but you have to pay the same amount of 
>taxes on this fuel, as you do on fossil fuel. As mentioned on your 
>site, companies like Elsbett do their misleading tricks, and it 
>works. The public transport companies let them install costly kits 
>on coaches and garbage trucks. These so called "green projects" 
>produced by "green" politics appear to be very naieve, or worse. On 
>top of that, it is also forbidden to produce your own PPO, unless 
>you can get a permit, and produce at least 500.000 liters per year: 
>BIG AGRICULTURE says thank you to the fools who made that one up! 
>Even engineering university students tend to consider the biodiesel 
>production as a strictly large scale industrial process. They are 
>simply denying the importance of a smallscale decentralized 
>energyproduction, which is assumed only to be suitable for third 
>world countries. In many ways, i think Belgium has become a sort of 
>third world country, when you see how it is being run by BIG 
>CAPITALISM and BIG CONSUMING.
>The uninformed public opinion doesn't give a , because the media 
>apparently decide to treat the biodiesel (and other renewable 
>energy) issues in a very trivial or entertaining way, reporting 
>about for instance those Norwegian jokers who will produce biodiesel 
>with fat liposucked out of overweight Americans...
>Thank God i found your website! I'm well informed now, thaks to you.
>Anyway, my point is, that i've considered to do my small scale 
>biodiesel thing as legal as possible, but practically, this is 
>impossible due to absurd and unfair laws and regulations. I have 
>little hope that these rules, typical for my country, will change in 
>a short term. In the best national tradition of civil desobediance, 
>i will simply ignore these injust laws, and start with "moonshine" 
>biodiesel production, as soon as possible.
>I owe you people big time, so if you ever consider to visit my 
>country, and the wonderful medieval town of BRUGES (where i live), i 
>would like to introduce you into our amazing food & beer traditions. 
>Good luck and
>
>Best regards, [name removed]

Fwd from Gasification list:

>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 1:23:2 +0100
>From: "Philippe Raufast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Limonene fuel
>

Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22

[John Mullan]

Well, I guess we Canucks are just slow but not totally stupid. 

John
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  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs -
OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22


  The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles)
  Kirk

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Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22

[Luke Hansen]

A properly designed composting toilet doesn't require
any power at all ;P

And you can collect biogas from it, and the end
product is kickass for gardens.


--- Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years
> (LosAngeles)
>   Kirk
> 
> Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien
> praises workers' ingenuity:
> City plants save millions in energy costs
> Byline: Jake Rupert
> Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen
> / Methane gas, a
> byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned
> off, is running
> engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity
> yearly.; Photo: Pat 
> McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave
> McCartney and Dave 
> Robertson said they 'knew they were
> on to something' when the $4.5-million
> power-producing system at the 
> sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few
> years.
> 
> When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning
> two months ago, he spoke about creating a "culture
> of
> excellence" at City Hall, but he had a difficult
> time
> explaining how it would work.
> Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility
> workers recently won an award for coming up with
> innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per
> year on energy costs.
> His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave
> McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water
> services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste
> water treatment, created a system to turn methane
> gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be
> burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the
> city's
> sewage treatment plant.
> Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in
> Canada to burn the gas effectively through three
> 16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half
> the power the plant uses.
> The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost
> $4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself
> by
> 2002.
> "That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for," Mr.
> O'Brien said. "Exactly what I'm talking about. The
> true strength of an organization is not in the
> executive
> office or administration. It's with its operational
> people.
> "These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more
> of them. That's the kind of culture I want to
> develop.
> They should get an award from the city, too."
> Last week, the city's utility department got the top
> prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking
> Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15
> cities
> in the province.
> Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment
> centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in
> hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street
> pumping station using a natural drop in elevation.
> The power is used in pumps that send drinking water
> across a large portion of the city.
> Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the
> selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the
> award.
> He said other municipalities are doing similar
> things
> on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has
> taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to
> the
> issue.
> "It's unique," he said. "They've really taken a
> serious
> approach to managing electricity, and they have been
> innovative enough to make things work quite well."
> The detailed information on, and management of,
> energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is
> staggering.
> At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check
> exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how
> much it's producing, and how much it is taking from
> the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced
> by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel
> generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even
> possible to tell if a major component is pulling
> more
> or less power than it should.
> Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his,
> but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to
> design the system.
> The methane is produced by bacteria in airless
> digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The
> gas
> is captured and sent to a building housing the
> engines, which roar around the clock and each
> produce enough electricity in an hour to power an
> average house for a month. The electricity is then
> put
> on the plant's internal grid.
> Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and
> the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler
> heating system.
> Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system
> water is then passed through the engines' searing
> exhaust system to be heated up further.
> Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well
> that several other municipalities have sent people
> to
> check it out.
> "It's been done before, but never as successfully as
> we have," Mr. Robertson said. "It feels nice to get
> the
> award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew
> we were on to something."
> If the two energy creating projects didn't exist,
> property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to
> buy m

Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22

[Kirk McLoren]

The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles)
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity:
City plants save millions in energy costs
Byline: Jake Rupert
Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a
byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running
engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat 
McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave 
Robertson said they 'knew they were
on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the 
sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years.

When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning
two months ago, he spoke about creating a "culture of
excellence" at City Hall, but he had a difficult time
explaining how it would work.
Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility
workers recently won an award for coming up with
innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per
year on energy costs.
His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave
McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water
services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste
water treatment, created a system to turn methane
gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be
burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's
sewage treatment plant.
Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in
Canada to burn the gas effectively through three
16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half
the power the plant uses.
The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost
$4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by
2002.
"That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for," Mr.
O'Brien said. "Exactly what I'm talking about. The
true strength of an organization is not in the executive
office or administration. It's with its operational
people.
"These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more
of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop.
They should get an award from the city, too."
Last week, the city's utility department got the top
prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking
Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities
in the province.
Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment
centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in
hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street
pumping station using a natural drop in elevation.
The power is used in pumps that send drinking water
across a large portion of the city.
Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the
selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the
award.
He said other municipalities are doing similar things
on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has
taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the
issue.
"It's unique," he said. "They've really taken a serious
approach to managing electricity, and they have been
innovative enough to make things work quite well."
The detailed information on, and management of,
energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is
staggering.
At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check
exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how
much it's producing, and how much it is taking from
the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced
by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel
generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even
possible to tell if a major component is pulling more
or less power than it should.
Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his,
but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to
design the system.
The methane is produced by bacteria in airless
digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas
is captured and sent to a building housing the
engines, which roar around the clock and each
produce enough electricity in an hour to power an
average house for a month. The electricity is then put
on the plant's internal grid.
Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and
the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler
heating system.
Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system
water is then passed through the engines' searing
exhaust system to be heated up further.
Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well
that several other municipalities have sent people to
check it out.
"It's been done before, but never as successfully as
we have," Mr. Robertson said. "It feels nice to get the
award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew
we were on to something."
If the two energy creating projects didn't exist,
property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to
buy more power, and this is something that is not lost
on Ottawa's new mayor.
"I think these guys are municipal heroes," Mr.
O'Brien said.



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[Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22

[Darryl McMahon]

Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity:
City plants save millions in energy costs
Byline: Jake Rupert
Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a
byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running
engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat 
McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave 
Robertson said they 'knew they were
on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the 
sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years.

When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning
two months ago, he spoke about creating a "culture of
excellence" at City Hall, but he had a difficult time
explaining how it would work.
Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility
workers recently won an award for coming up with
innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per
year on energy costs.
His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave
McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water
services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste
water treatment, created a system to turn methane
gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be
burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's
sewage treatment plant.
Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in
Canada to burn the gas effectively through three
16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half
the power the plant uses.
The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost
$4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by
2002.
"That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for," Mr.
O'Brien said. "Exactly what I'm talking about. The
true strength of an organization is not in the executive
office or administration. It's with its operational
people.
"These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more
of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop.
They should get an award from the city, too."
Last week, the city's utility department got the top
prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking
Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities
in the province.
Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment
centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in
hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street
pumping station using a natural drop in elevation.
The power is used in pumps that send drinking water
across a large portion of the city.
Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the
selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the
award.
He said other municipalities are doing similar things
on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has
taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the
issue.
"It's unique," he said. "They've really taken a serious
approach to managing electricity, and they have been
innovative enough to make things work quite well."
The detailed information on, and management of,
energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is
staggering.
At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check
exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how
much it's producing, and how much it is taking from
the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced
by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel
generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even
possible to tell if a major component is pulling more
or less power than it should.
Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his,
but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to
design the system.
The methane is produced by bacteria in airless
digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas
is captured and sent to a building housing the
engines, which roar around the clock and each
produce enough electricity in an hour to power an
average house for a month. The electricity is then put
on the plant's internal grid.
Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and
the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler
heating system.
Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system
water is then passed through the engines' searing
exhaust system to be heated up further.
Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well
that several other municipalities have sent people to
check it out.
"It's been done before, but never as successfully as
we have," Mr. Robertson said. "It feels nice to get the
award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew
we were on to something."
If the two energy creating projects didn't exist,
property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to
buy more power, and this is something that is not lost
on Ottawa's new mayor.
"I think these guys are municipal heroes," Mr.
O'Brien said.



-- 
Darryl McMahon
It's your planet.  If you won't look after it, who will?

The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook)
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Re: [Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers

[Tom Irwin]

Hi Juan and all,
Yes, I like to dream too. It would be nice if renewable fuels were used for this. Unfortunately, most folks will take the easy path. There are far too many fossil addicts. I am in recovery but it´s just so easy to return. They still are so incredible cheap.
Tom Irwin
 


From: "Juan Boveda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Subject: [Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmersDate: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:13:50 -0300


Hello Tom.
It is not necessary to be tied to any fossil fuel or even any specific fuel if the design is good.
Some local entrepreneur might transform this to use wood, charcoal, recycled paper, cellulosic waste and/or waste vegetable oil, instead of liquid fossil fuel.
By the description is just a boiler on a truck, it could even be self powered like a Steam Train from early times.
Best Regards.
 Juan Bóveda
 

-Mensaje original-De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]En nombre de Tom IrwinEnviado el: jueves, 21 de diciembre de 2006 23:23Para: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgAsunto: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers


Hi Kirk and all,
I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and compost them. It still looks like it4s tied to fossil fuel.
Tom Irwin
 




From:  Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:  Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmersDate:  Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST)
  
  
  
"US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds"  
  
Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA)  
  
Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use in several other countries but is almost unknown in the United States.  
Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, including herbicides, on town property, but does not apply to the local residents, their property or businesses. City leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without poisoning the environment.  
To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's pest management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking lots, along curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, rather seeking a single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from corn gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water.  
The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of their leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray on unwanted weeds kills them; the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results look very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic residue and the area is immediately safe for play.  
"That's what it is all about," said Allen Spalt, Director of the Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. "We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be part of the solution to reducing use completely."  
The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June, will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision will be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment.  
http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ http://www.panna.org/ 
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[Biofuel] The Man Who Sold the War

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[Biofuel] {Spam?} Re: Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers

[Juan Boveda]

Hello Tom.

It is not necessary to be tied to any fossil fuel or even any specific fuel
if the design is good.

Some local entrepreneur might transform this to use wood, charcoal, recycled
paper, cellulosic waste and/or waste vegetable oil, instead of liquid fossil
fuel.

By the description is just a boiler on a truck, it could even be self
powered like a Steam Train from early times.

Best Regards.



Juan Boveda

  -Mensaje original-
  De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nombre de Tom Irwin
  Enviado el: jueves, 21 de diciembre de 2006 23:23
  Para: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers


  Hi Kirk and all,

  I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and
compost them. It still looks like it4s tied to fossil fuel.

  Tom Irwin








From:  Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:  Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
Date:  Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST)






  "US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds"


  Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA)



Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of
chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses
it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic
chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use
in several other countries but is almost unknown in the United States.
Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least
toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy
calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, including herbicides,
on town property, but does not apply to the local residents, their property
or businesses. City
leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without
poisoning the environment.
To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized
alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's
pest management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds
than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking
lots, along curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a
comprehensive approach, rather seeking a single solution, including a
biodegradable herbicide made from corn gluten, propane flamers which kill
plants by singing them, thick mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now
hot water.
The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near-
boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of their
leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck with hoses
connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray on unwanted weeds
kills them;
the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few
hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results look
very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic residue and
the area is immediately safe for play.
"That's what it is all about," said Allen Spalt, Director of the
Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of
Aldermen. "We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can
eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only
small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be
part of the solution to reducing use completely."
The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June,
will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other
interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision will
be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment.
http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htm
http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America
(PANNA) ~ http://www.panna.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers

[Keith Addison]

>Hi Kirk and all,
>
>I much prefer hot water to herbicides but why not just pull them and 
>compost them. It still looks like it´s tied to fossil fuel.
>
>Tom Irwin

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Re: [Biofuel] FFA's as Weed Killer

Best

Keith


>From:  Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject:  Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers
>Date:  Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:08 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds"
>
>
>Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA)
>
>
>
>
>Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of 
>chemicals. The town is using a machine that superheats water and 
>dispenses it in a carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without 
>using toxic chemical herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New 
>Zealand, is in use in several other countries but is almost unknown 
>in the United States.
>Carrboro is testing the equipment to implement the town's least 
>toxic Integrated Pest Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The 
>policy calls for phasing out use of conventional pesticides, 
>including herbicides, on town property, but does not apply to the 
>local residents, their property or businesses. City
>leaders hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without 
>poisoning the environment.
>To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized 
>alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of 
>Carrboro's pest management practices showed that more pesticides 
>were used on weeds than for any other purpose. Weeds are a problem 
>around buildings and parking lots, along curbs and gutters and in 
>parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, rather seeking a 
>single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from corn 
>gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick 
>mulch on plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water.
>The machine in use in Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- 
>boiling water that kills weeds by melting the waxy outer coating of 
>their leaves. The self-contained machine is mounted on a small truck 
>with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. A quick spray 
>on unwanted weeds kills them;
>the plants darken almost immediately and turn brown within a few 
>hours. The flow of water is low and cools quickly. While the results 
>look very much like that of a contact herbicide, there is no toxic 
>residue and the area is immediately safe for play.
>"That's what it is all about," said Allen Spalt, Director of the 
>Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of 
>Aldermen. "We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we 
>can eliminate the risk of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already 
>uses only small amounts of pesticides; we believe that this hot 
>water system may be part of the solution to reducing use 
>completely."
>The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until the end of June, 
>will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for other 
>interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final 
>decision will be made whether or not the town will purchase the 
>equipment.
>http://www.ghorganics.co 
>m/HotWeedKiller.htm
>http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide 
>Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ 
>http://www.panna.org/
>


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[Biofuel] 9/11 Truther Next British Prime Minister?

[D. Mindock]

Wow, I hope Meacher does replace the Bush cronie known as Tony Blair.
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9/11 Truther Next British Prime Minister?
December 22, 2006 - Michael Meacher MP, former environment minister and 9/11 
truther who attracted press attention for publicly questioning the official 
story behind the terrorist attack in a September 2003 article, could be in 
contention for the Labour Party leadership race and thus replace Tony Blair as 
the next British Prime Minister. "Michael Meacher is "well on the way" to 
announcing his decision to stand in the forthcoming Labour leadership race, 
according to one of his key supporters," reports the London Guardian. With Tony 
Blair set to stand down before September 2007, the party leader will be the de 
facto Prime Minister, at least until the next general election in 2009, where 
many expect David Cameron, a favorite of the Globalists, to reclaim 10 Downing 
Street for the Tories. Meacher is set to rally the anti-war left sentiment of 
the Labour Party in an attempt to defeat current Chancellor of the Exchequer 
Gordon Brown, who up until now has been widely tipped as a shoe in for Prime 
Minister. Under the headline, This War On Terrorism Is Bogus, Meacher's 2003 
Guardian piece sent shock waves through the political spectrum as he was one of 
the first respected former government cabinet members worldwide to openly 
attack the official fable of 9/11. Read More
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