Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
Not all of us Aussies want to be lemmings. :-0 On 06/09/2007, at 9:47 AM, Josh Boltrek wrote: > We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be > Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture > vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last > original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. > > Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He tells it like it is. > A nation of sheeple. > > fox mulder wrote: > Source: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9KVTfcAyYGg > > > > ___ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For > Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > - > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070905/589b487f/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > - > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited > storage. Get it now. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/e3a93df5/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Elsbett installation saga
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Re: [Biofuel] Vying for Dominance in the Arctic
Hi Chris >Keith, has the list been down for the last few days? This is the >first post in 3 days. No, it wasn't down, traffic's just slow. Best Keith >Thanks, Chris > > >-Original Message- >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:16 am >Subject: [Biofuel] Vying for Dominance in the Arctic > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Elsbett installation saga
Greetings Ben In Japan we're a long way from an Elsbett service partner. We needed help installing the Elsbett kit on two counts. First was that we don't know which way is up when it comes to an electronic circuit diagram, but a diesel mechanic can follow it, and you also need the mechanic to increase the injection pressure, and to install the special injector nozzles and preferably the new glowplugs too. The rest of it is straightforward. It takes a little time to study it all first, but any competent diesel mechanic can handle the job. You might encounter some initial resistance because it's something new and unfamiliar, so try to get him interested first, and not thinking he'll be to blame if it goes wrong. Best Keith >Greetings all, > >First - thank you Bruno and Prakash for your previous replies to my >posting. > >Second - I realize I am doing this somewhat backwards, but I have >received the kit and want to know if anyone can recommend a mechanic in >the Philadelphia area for the installation (I'm using the outlay of >funds as a motivator). I don't consider myself sufficiently able to >install it myself, and am happy to pay someone with the expertise for >their service. The closest 'official' service partner listed on >Elsbett's website is in Connecticut, about a 3 hour drive, which might >make for a reason to take a vacation in the Berkshires and visit my >cousin, but I was wondering if I could find someone local. Or is the >installation straightforward enough for any local diesel mechanic? > >Peace, >Ben ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Japan digs its claws into biodiversity through FTAs
http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=29 GRAIN | "Against the grain" | 2007 | Japan digs its claws into biod Japan digs its claws into biodiversity through FTAs GRAIN Japan is increasingly using free trade agreements (FTAs) to tighten corporate control over seeds and other forms of biodiversity that are crucial to food, agriculture and medicine. Two such deals, sealed this month with the Chilean and Indonesian governments, put Japan in the big league of nations using bilateral trade deals to make seed-saving on the farm a thing of the past. Over the past few years the Japanese government has been increasingly turning to free trade agreements to boost market opportunities for Japanese corporations and to protect the country's food and energy security interests, particularly in the Asia-Pacific region. (See Table 1.) Privatisation of biological diversity is part of that agenda. Through its FTAs, which are drawn up through closed-door negotiations, the Japanese government has been cajoling other countries to change their laws so that they provide corporations with greater freedom to operate and stronger control over their assets. One of the tactics Japan has been increasingly using is to put pressure on its trading partners to accept patents on life and to toughen up laws that enable corporations to claim ownership over seeds and thus force farmers to pay royalties. Since Japan already has a bad name for 'biopiracy', as in the famed Shiseido and Cupuaçu cases, the government's drive to make it easier for Japanese biotech companies to secure legal rights over biodiversity abroad should come as no surprise.1 It is evident that Japan has been stepping up its demands. In its first FTAs, signed with Singapore (2002) and Mexico (2004), Japan didn't even touch on the question of intellectual property rights over life. But soon after, in the FTAs negotiated with Malaysia and the Philippines, the issue began creeping on to the negotiating table. In the case of Malaysia, which inked a deal with Japan at the end of 2005, Tokyo tried to get the government to commit to the UPOV system of plant variety protection, but the Malaysians said no.2 In fact, against the overall thrust of the FTA, which gives Japanese investors equal rights to exploit Malaysian resources, Malaysia inserted a 'carve out' clause which exempts biodiversity policy-making from Japan's interference.3 But at the same time, the government did accept some abstract wording about protecting private monopoly rights over seeds "in a manner consistent with internationally harmonised system". In practice, this means UPOV. The text just doesn't say so.4 In the case of the Philippines, a joint committee made recommendations for a possible Japan-Philippines FTA back in 2003. The Japanese said any such agreement should promote plant breeders' rights. The Filipinos said it should promote farmers' rights. Japan retorted that any kind of farmers' rights would have to be consistent with UPOV. In the end, the deal they signed in September 2006 says little about any of this.5 It only pins Manila down to providing some kind of system of plant variety rights and extending it to as many species as possible, taking into account Japan's corporate interests. Not too harmful, but not harmless either. Breaking the UPOV barrier All this changed in 2007. Japan is now explicitly pulling developing countries into UPOV with its FTA claws and even trying to change the scope of other countries' patent laws to get stronger rights for Japanese corporations over biodiversity. In Thailand earlier this year, the military government's decision to sign an FTA with Japan led to a heated public debate.6 The Thai-Japan agreement had been negotiated during the Thaksin regime, but when the military staged a coup in September 2006 all Thai FTA negotiations came to a halt, largely because no foreign government wanted to be seen as accepting military rule. However, under pressure from Japanese companies through their Chamber of Commerce, and probably to show that martial law was not really a bad thing, the Thai military opted to pick up where Thaksin had left off and to sign the Japan deal themselves. In the beginning, the public protested about numerous aspects of the agreement but by the end public disquiet focused on two central issues, one of which was the patenting of microorganisms. The deal dictates that Thailand not be allowed to reject any patent application just because it involves a "naturally occurring" microorganism.7 In a world where national sovereignty over biological resources is enshrined in international law and where Japan has been accused on several occasions of 'biopiracy', this provision upset many Thai groups, all the way up to the Human Rights Commission. The generals were unmoved, however. Through the FTA, which was signed in early April, they additionally committed Thailand to honouring "international s
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
I can't tell you how depressing that is... Quoting Josh Boltrek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be > Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture > vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last > original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. > > Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He tells it like it is. > A nation of sheeple. > > fox mulder wrote: > Source: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9KVTfcAyYGg > > > > ___ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > - > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070905/589b487f/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > - > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited > storage. Get it now. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/e3a93df5/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Who owns you World
We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be > Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture > vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last > original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. Hey Mike and Josh, good news for both of you! There is still a bunch of real Bavarians und as i know for shure a lot of Quebecers who resist the trend of americanism! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/71a1107e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
Bigger car bigger house Matiss Lazdins wrote: >So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for. > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Elsbett installation saga
Hello Leo Your message arrived like this: >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/33b838b7/attachment.html There's also a lot of gunk code in the subject: "Re: [Biofuel] =?iso-8859-15?q?Elsbett_installation_saga?=" Please reset your email program to ASCII, plain text, no html code. >Dear Ben, > >My personal advice would be to have an official service partner do >the work for you. That way , you are on the safer side in more ways >than one. Even in germany, a local mechanic does not do the job >properly. We stick to the official rep. I don't think Elsbett would agree with you, certainly not in our case, nor in others I know of. See my previous message: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg70916.html The Japanese market is interesting for them, and they obviously wouldn't want a botched installation by Journey to Forever to screw it up for them. Also they get a lot of business from Journey to Forever, not only from our website, it was me who persuaded Klaus Elsbett to take an interest in the international market after he told me they preferred to concentrate on European countries like Germany and Austria because of the tax breaks for biofuels. When we got our system from them they didn't say we needed an official rep to install it. Their documentation says you need some experience. In the event we had a couple of questions and Alexander Noack at Elsbett gave us quick and helpful replies. No real problems, and it's been working just fine for three years. Local mechanics can do the job properly. Go right ahead Ben, find a local mechanic you can work with and get along with and it'll be fine. Best Keith >Best of luck, > >Leo > > >-Original Message- >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:20:42 +0200 >Subject: [Biofuel] Elsbett installation saga >From: "Benjamin S. Levin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Greetings all, > > Or is the installation straightforward enough for any local diesel mechanic? > >Peace, >Ben ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for. -- Matiss Lazdins 410 652 3760 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/086e45fc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi, Gustl Thursday, 06 September, 2007, 13:05:32, you wrote: FF> We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be >> Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture >> vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last >> original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. FF> Hey Mike and Josh, FF> good news for both of you! FF> There is still a bunch of real Bavarians und as i know for shure a lot of Quebecers who resist the trend of americanism! FF> Fritz FF> -- next part -- ...snip... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
What we have to live for is pleasure. It's what life, as a concious human being, is about. BUT!!!, not as a cost to someone else. Selfishness and glutony are the other side of the coin. And there is ALWAYS the opposite. Caring should always be part of the mix. Unfortunately, it's not. The "opposite side" is out of balance weighing heavy right now. People who care should try to reign in those who have lost their moral compass. But easily. Push too hard and they will feel threatened and push back. Then it becomes a struggle between "Us and Them". Think about it. > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:16:48 -0600> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?> > Bigger car bigger house> > Matiss Lazdins wrote:> > >So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for.> >> > > >> > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a8a8160d/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?
Kurt Vonnegut wrote some intersting material about it. Google Vonnegut psycopathic personalities. He can tell you about the ruling class just as Mr Carlin did chaz kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What we have to live for is pleasure. It's what life, as a concious human being, is about. BUT!!!, not as a cost to someone else. Selfishness and glutony are the other side of the coin. And there is ALWAYS the opposite. Caring should always be part of the mix. Unfortunately, it's not. The "opposite side" is out of balance weighing heavy right now. People who care should try to reign in those who have lost their moral compass. But easily. Push too hard and they will feel threatened and push back. Then it becomes a struggle between "Us and Them". Think about it. > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:16:48 -0600> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?> > Bigger car bigger house> > Matiss Lazdins wrote:> > >So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for.> >> > > >> > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a8a8160d/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/2417a846/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: > Grüaßdi Fritzl, > > Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d > Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! > > Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: > Grüaßdi Fritzl, > > Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d > Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! > > Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
