Re: [Biofuel] Holocausts "forever"
Hi Irv >Kieth > I find your grasp of world affairs very close to mine but perhaps >of wider breath. I'm glad we agree. As for any wider breadth, well, thanks for saying so. If there's any truth in it it'd be due to unfair advantages, if they can be called advantages. I'm a journalist, I've done a lot of different kinds of work in a lot of different places, I've had more vantage points than most people. But I wouldn't recommend it - I don't "belong" anywhere, I'm a perennial foreigner, home's wherever I hang my hat (if I had a hat), and that's the way I like it. But I have much respect for more "stable" people who stay in one place and have roots. > The planet has always been exploited by the most avarice of every >tribal, national and international or global groups. Both their >nearest and distant neighbors are sources of "to be procured >wealth". >There is never a question of justice, happiness or good future from >these avar- folks and they who want the most, will and have used, >the most destructive anger and weaponry of fear and exploitation. >Men women and children are both the fodder and receipients of this >degredation, Not surprising, the doers lie and justify in the name >of those they misuse. Verily. For about the last 10,000 years or so. I think it culminates right here and now, this is where it gets settled for once and for all, better or worse. The Crunch. You might enjoy this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg32878.html Re: [biofuel] The Oil we eat (Harper's) > Whether these destructive forces choose patrotism to supress >critism, or fear to dominate objection or killing to supress >rejection, People will die. Tribes will die. Nations will die. > As big as those crimes against humanity are, Someone will justify >the killing, murdering and wiping out of the men, women and children. >This last century, Land, Oil and Uranium was the center of power: >before that, Land, transportation, and material (fur, wood, coal, >fish, gold, copper); Before that, Land and dominance of the land. >All overshot with colonialism and the rise and rebellion against it. >Marx used the word "exploitation" >I guess that's too simplistic a view of history. Not really. I think it's the main theme of history, or one of them anyway, not so much the oppression itself as the steady progress in spite of it all of what you might call civilised values, to the benefit of people and their communities rather than the accumulation of power by the few. Who're mad, basically. "It's said that 'power corrupts', but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power. When they do act, they think of it as service, which has limits. The tyrant, though, seeks mastery, for which he is insatiable, implacable." - Ben Franklin, in David Brin's 'The Postman' (not a genuine quote, but maybe it could have been). Or, these days, not even mad, not even human, just the corporate fiction unleashed. >But as we become aware of the expansion of the universe, so must we >become aware of the diverse struggles of >people to be free from the oppresion of the powerful. And we must be a part of it, we're all in the same lifeboat. Is there any room in the lifeboat for the rich and greedy, the power-mad, the oppressors? Or did Dylan get it right? And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead -- Masters of War, Bob Dylan, 1963 That's what they are, after all, and of holocausts and genocides. Actually, whatever they might perpetrate, they're masters of nothing. Best Keith >Irv >-Original Message- > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Oct 4, 2007 11:18 PM > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Holocaust error > > > >Hi Irv > > > >Thanks for the explanation, no problem, it just had me puzzled. It's > >a bit tickling though that you said it was me who should check his > >facts! Never mind, all is forgiven. > > > >>My apologies. > >>There was a piece circulated to the jewish communities groups > >>proclaiming the british had removed "The study of the Hoocaust" from > >>the school corriculum and that action was hailed as a new or > >>continued rise of antisemitism, the author of the piece I sent you > >>called it a lie and as explained was the result of one teacher that > >>did the removal for his particular class study. > >> In the "biofuel..." at the same time, this debate on the holocaust > >>whether Jewish, German, Russian, czech, Moslem etc also surfaced, > >>led by those who opposed resettling of the european jews in the > >>middle east > > > >I don't think they did that exactly. > > > >>and tie the ills of that region to the jews and not to oil > >>exploitation and the rise of nationalism.
[Biofuel] The Latest Revelations of Lawbreaking, Torture and Extremism
See: Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04interrogate.html?hp http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/05/4336/ Published on Friday, October 5, 2007 by Salon.com The Latest Revelations of Lawbreaking, Torture and Extremism by Glenn Greenwald Much outrage has been provoked by the generally excellent New York Times article this morning revealing the Bush administration's recent violations of legal restrictions on the use of torture and other "severe interrogation techniques." And, in one sense, the outrage is both understandable and appropriate. Today's revelations involve the now-familiar, defining attributes of this administration - claims of limitless presidential power, operating in total secrecy and with no oversight, breaking of laws at will, serial misleading of the Congress and the country and, most of all, the shattering of every previous moral and legal constraint on our national behavior. But in another, more important, sense, this story reveals nothing new. As a country, we've known undeniably for almost two years now that we have a lawless government and a President who routinely orders our laws to be violated. His top officials have been repeatedly caught lying outright to Congress on the most critical questions we face. They have argued out in the open that the "constitutional duty" to defend the country means that nothing - including our "laws" - can limit what the President does. It has long been known that we are torturing, holding detainees in secret prisons beyond the reach of law and civilization, sending detainees to the worst human rights abusers to be tortured, and subjecting them ourselves to all sorts of treatment which both our own laws and the treaties to which we are a party plainly prohibit. None of this is new. And we have decided, collectively as a country, to do nothing about that. Quite the contrary, with regard to most of the revelations of lawbreaking and abuse, our political elite almost in unison has declared that such behavior is understandable, if not justifiable. And our elected representatives have chosen to remain largely in the dark about what was done and, when forced by court rulings or media revelations to act at all, they have endorsed and legalized this behavior - not investigated, outlawed or punished it. A ruling by the Supreme Court in Hamdan that the President's interrogation and detention policies violated the law led Congress to enact the Military Commissions Act to legalize those policies. Revelations that the President and telecom companies were breaking our surveillance laws led to the legalization of much of that program and will soon lead to amnesty for the lawbreakers. With regard to all of the most severe acts of illegality, no criminal prosecutions have been commenced and no truly meaningful Congressional investigations have been pursued. And the more that is revealed about the deep corruption of this administration, the more protective our political elite becomes of the administration, the more insistent their demands become that nothing be done (see Fred Hiatt's attack today on Pat Leahy for his "irresponsible" refusal to confirm Bush's Attorney General until the administration discloses information regarding their past lawbreaking and firings of prosecutors). And the more our political elite defends the administration and demands that nothing be done, the more our "opposition party" heeds those demands: Backing away from a fight with the White House, Senate Democrats are suggesting that they will not hold up confirmation of President Bush's nominee for attorney general, Michael B. Mukasey, despite differences over Senate access to documents involving Justice Department actions. In a letter to Mr. Mukasey made public Wednesday, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, said he would go forward with the confirmation hearings without the promise of the documents. The committee had for months been pressing the White House for access to files and e-mail messages about last year's firing of several federal prosecutors for what Democrats maintain were political reasons, and about legal justifications for the domestic eavesdropping program run by the National Security Agency. All of these subversive and grotesque policies - the Yoo/Addington theories of the imperial presidency, torture, rendition, illegal surveillance, black sites - began as secret, illegal Bush administration policies. But the more they are revealed, and the more we do nothing about them, the more they become our own. It is vital to emphasize here that these revelations are not obsolete matters of the distant past - something we can all agree to leave behind in the spirit of harmoniously moving forward. The torture, detention and surveillance policies in question are still the formal and official position of our go
[Biofuel] Hydropower Doesn't Count as Clean Energy
Hydropower Doesn't Count as Clean Energy By Sarah Phelan, Earth Island Journal Posted on October 5, 2007, Printed on October 5, 2007 http://www.alternet.org/story/64445/ Opponents of dams have long argued against putting barriers in the natural flow of a river. Dams, they point out, prevent endangered fish from migrating, alter ecosystems, and threaten the livelihoods of local communities. Native Americans, fishing communities, and environmentalists have made these arguments in their quest to decommission four dams on Klamath River, which runs from southwest Oregon to the coast of California. But with California requiring a 25 percent reduction in the state's carbon dioxide emissions by 2020, clean energy has suddenly entered the Klamath dam debate. Bill Fehrman, president of PacifiCorp, the hydropower company that owns these Klamath dams, says replacing the power from these dams "could result in adding combustion emissions to the environment." Meanwhile, across the border in Canada, Hydro-Québec, the world's biggest producer of hydropower, claims that "compared with other generating options, hydropower emits very little greenhouse gas," thus "contributing significantly to the fight against climate change." Maybe not. Recent reports on methane emissions suggest that dams are anything but carbon-neutral. According to recently published estimates from Ivan Lima and some of his colleagues at Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, the world's 52,000 largest dams release 104 million metric tons of methane annually. If Lima's calculations are correct, then dams would account for about four percent of the total warming impact of human activities -- and would constitute the largest single source of human-related methane emissions. As Lima points out, if methane released from reservoir surfaces, spillways, and turbines were taken into account, India's greenhouse emissions could be as much as 40 percent higher than its current official estimates. But though India ranks among the world's top polluters, as a developing nation it is not required to cut emissions -- and has yet to measure methane from its 4,500 dams. And that's a problem, because while methane does not last as long in the atmosphere as carbon dioxide, its heat-trapping potential is 25 times stronger. A Swirling Debate Lima is not alone in questioning whether dams' emissions may be as harmful in terms of climate change as those from fossil fuel plants. In 2004, Philip Fearnside of the National Institute for Research in the Amazon suggested that a massive surge of methane emissions could occur when water is discharged under pressure at hydroelectric dams in a process known in the industry as "degassing." The problem with dams is that organic matter gets trapped in them when land is first flooded, and more gets flushed in, or grows there, later on. In tropical zones, such as Brazil, this matter quickly decays to form methane and carbon dioxide. But just how big a problem this creates is controversial. A debate has been raging for years between researchers connected to Hydro-Québec and Brazil's Electrobras, the world's largest hydropower companies, and several small teams of independent hydrologists. According to Fearnside, if degassing emissions were factored in at several large hydropower plants in Brazil, then these dams would be larger contributors to global warming than their fossil fuel counterparts. To be precise, Fearnside suggested that during the first decade of its life, each of these dams would emit four times as much carbon as a fossil fuel plant that makes the same amount of electricity. Fearnside's claims have triggered a firestorm. Luis Pinguelli Rosa, formerly of Electrobras but now based at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, claimed Fearnside had made "scientific errors," including a failure to grasp how degassing works, and so had exaggerated the emission levels. Rosa pointed out that Fearnside had extrapolated his calculations from data taken from the Petit Saut dam in French Guyana in the years immediately following the creation of the reservoir, when organic matter, and thus methane emissions, would likely be their highest. Patrick McCully, executive director of the Berkeley, CA-based International Rivers Network, says that one of the areas of strongest disagreement among reservoir emissions researchers is how to quantify net emissions. In a recent paper, "Fizzy Science," McCully shows that key factors influencing reservoir greenhouse gas emissions include fluctuations in water level, growth and decay of aquatic plants, decomposition of flooded biomass and soils, the amount of methane bubbling from the surface, and the amount of carbon dioxide diffusing in. But as McCully points out, "The most comprehensive analyses of net emissions have been done by Fearnside -- while Pinguelli Rosa has only presented data on gross emissions." With controver
[Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydro Quebec....
I just received a Brochure from HQ anouncing their sustainable development!!! I translate from french: Take an example the new hydroelectric centrale of :Rocher-de -Grand-Mere on the river St.Maurice,built in an resraint urban milieux. Hydro Quebec installed ramps to access the river with boats,Bycicle paths and Belvederes to favorice Recreotourism.And this in respect to the environment! Sounds good eh??? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/6cb56805/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Holocaust error
the boys are doing well, theyve gotten to be quite the scooters, crawling all over everything, tearing my game consoles off the shelf and whatnot. ryken is learning to talk, and xavier is trying to walk (not so well yet, i might add). theyre both getting big, and theyre always happy so far, they havent tried to tell me "no" yet. ;) BTW, i think i found fred's problem. this stupid new hotmail layout requires you choose ASCII for every message, and HTML is default. fred if youre reading this click the "show plaintext" link under the subject line on your next message. > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:02:50 +0900 > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Holocaust error > >>it would seem to me that the entire problem with this world-at-large >>is not the Happy Average Folk. > > It seems that way to me too. > >>(look ma! ive designed a whole new class of people- everybody!) > > Well done! LOL! > >>im willing to bet a LOT of money that the average joe/jane would >>just as soon see their kids off to school/grandmas in the morning, >>and not have to worry too much about them, and go about their day >>knowing there will most likely still be a house standing there when >>they get back from work. all the "hotspots" in the world have a vast >>majority of these Happy Average Folks, and it is the religious and >>government headcases that screw everything up. how can the HAFs of >>the world let these losers mess up their kids lives and not even >>bitch about it, much less /do/ anything? >> >>i know its human nature to make mistakes, but its also human nature >>to fix things, so why cant we fix these mistakes? > > I'm sure we can Jason, and will, even though 'tis against the > interests of the powers-that-be. So sod the powers-that-be. If we > wait for our noble leaders to do it for us (or anything useful at > all) we won't wait forever because we'll all be dead before then, and > not only that the sky will fall on our heads. So, DIY geopolitics - > the global village'll fix it, ie you and me and all the HAFs. > > I really agree with you about that, by the way. Most, nearly all, > humans are just fine, good folks, not dumb, filled with goodwill for > everyone else as they go about their daily business, and what they > nearly all do nearly all the time is cooperate with each other. > Contrary to rumour. > > But it's not so easy to make money out of them that way, to bend them > to the will of the rich and powerful (and the corporate). So, consent > is duly manufactured, by the extremely well-funded and capable > opinion industry, while the paymasters take control of everything on > behalf of the HAFs because the HAFs are allegedly too dumb to look > after themselves or get their trousers on the right way round in the > morning. All of which makes it downright difficult (but not > impossible) for HAFs to /do/ anything about anything much. > > Yet it doesn't work as well as our noble leaders like to think. > > We'll win. We have to. Be of good cheer. > > How're those two little guys of yours getting along these days? I > guess they're not that little anymore. > > Regards > > Keith > _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Fritz, A new Hydro project in BC, Canada is being planned which does not involve a dam. The water will spill into a hole in the top of a mountain and produce a lot of electricity. The project will not interfere with fish or the forest. Only damage will be roads to the facility. Terry Dyck> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:47:12 -0400> Subject: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power> > Hi Keith and all,> if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged> (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption!> Fritz> -- next part --> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Have fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/58346788/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends? Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks! - Original Message - From: "Tony Marzolino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel > Hello List, > When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. > effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the > hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. > > With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running > straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? > > Thanks > Tony Marzolino > > > - > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071003/f9f47df2/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
