[biofuel] FW: Petrol prices - want to do something about it - boycott Esso Shell
With petrol(gas) prices here(Ireland) hitting EUR1/litre (1US gallon = 3.5 litres, I think) people are really getting concerned. Hence this campaign (see below) to boycott Esso Shell m -Original Message- From: aine ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2004 15:06 To: David (Eircom); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; î Riain, Michael; Sadbh Subject: FWD: Petrol prices - want to do something about it, read on... = Original Message From geraldine fahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Note: forwarded message attached. ___ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 6MB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com - Forwarded Message - From: Sinad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Petrol prices - want to do something about it, read on... We are going to hit over EUR1 a litre by the summer. Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. HOWEVER, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 90c to 95c, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit them in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! Moreover, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Heres the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of ESSO and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... .. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all - and not buy at ESSO/BP. How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES. Action: It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at anywhere BUT BP and ESSO. Aine Ryan, Applied Language Lecturer, NUI Galway, 091 524411 ext 3688 ** Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not read any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ +353-1-647-2417. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Kevin , I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on condensers . I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. Please let me know if you find anything useful. m -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? Pictures appreciated Thank you, Kevin Shea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ** Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not read any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ +353-1-647-2417. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] biodiesel mixing - quick question - pump mixing versus mechanical REPOST
Hope I don't offend anyone by reposting this, I haven't been able to find an answer to it elsewhere - My Question: pump mixing works, but is there some minimum ratio between the pump size and the tank size to be adhered to for sufficient mixing? Is pump mixing appropriate for large (200 gallon) as well as small batch sizes . Thanks again Mchel -Original Message- From: î Riain, Michael Sent: 16 March 2004 17:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel mixing - Keith/Todd quick question - pump mixing versus mechanical Keith , I'm constructing the Micro Production System as outlined by Todd Swearingen at journeytoforever.org/processors. Todd's design uses mechanical mixing but my preference is for pump mixing because I feel it would be easier to seal the tanks and is mechanically simpler. . RE pump mixing, you said: With our processor . , there's no agitation in the tank, just circulation - the oil doesn't gush back in at the top in a solid 3/4-inch-thick river to plunge into the top of the oil and splash all over the place, it's gentle, no splashing. All the agitation as such takes place inside the pump. The pump pulls the oil in from the tank outlet, but that's not very violent. My Question: pump mixing works but is there some minimum ratio between the pump size and the tank size to be adhered to? If I build a system with very large tanks(eg 200 gal reactor) how big would my mixing pump need to be? Knowledge is power I'm eternally grateful to everyone who shares theirs on this forum. Mchel -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 March 2004 17:16 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel mixing Hello Peter Keith, What I am referring to is when you stop mixing with the pump to let the BD settle out the BD in the pipe above and in the pump would also have it's Glycerine settle and with the pump horizontal there is a low point in the vane which I would think Glycerine would settle. However, the effective high point would be the inlet - when you drain it, everything's drained out the inlet pipes too. That leaves very little in the vane, and the by-product you're talking of would be about one-sixth of that much - a cc or two maybe, in 60 litres? You'd make a bigger tank than that I guess - 150 litres? And in view of the settling during the process that I described, it would only be half of one-sixth of what's left in the bottom half of the vane. Not worth bothering about. In fact when switching the pump on I've never seen any dark stuff going up the pipe. That Glycerine would not be drained off and when the pump was switched back on it would mix back in with the BD. If you mean a new batch to be processed, it wouldn't make any difference anyway. If you mean transferring the settled BD to the wash-tank, that little doesn't make any difference either, it'll wash straight out. I posted a message a month or so ago about getting glyc in the wash, having just done that by accident, and that didn't make any difference either. This was rather more than 2cc or something, but I just chucked a bucket of water into the bd, let it settle, drained it, and washed as usual, no problem. By vertically mounting the pump (and above the Gly level) there would be a flow through advantage and the settling Gly would move through the pump and would easily be removed with an addition of a valve at the base (low point) of the plumbing or if designed right flow back into the reactor and removed with the rest of the Glycerine. Well, if you like. I guess you can mount the pump anyway you want, I doubt it'll mind. Since you've got one, try it and ee. Beyond a certain point of planning in advance I think it's best to get on and do it, figure the details out as you go along. There's quite a lot you won't foresee until you're doing it. Because I have not done this before and do not have a processor built I am not sure if the amount of Gly I am talking about is sufficient enough to worry about. However I would like to be able to remove as much GLY as possible from the BD. My pump is a Clear Water one basically the same as you have been referring to and really! if this pump will run vertically I will mount it vertically. I was thinking on getting a Hot water heater for the reactor however the drain point to pump is at the base. You wrote that that point should be further up the side of the reactor. What are you guy's thoughts on this? Does Girl Marks processor work well? I'm sure it does, but it's not the same as ours in quite a few ways so I couldn't say. What is the best reactor? There's no such thing, IMO, it depends on the particular user and the particular circumstances. I want to make one that will do me for years and make high quality BD. Basically I want to get it right from the beginning. Shouldn't be too hard. Keith PeterR -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto
