Re: [Biofuel] I need some advice
Hi Ken, Not too far from you (Spring City PA), I've seen a guy that sells plastic 55 gallon barrels/ drums pretty cheap $10 I think. It's along 724 between Phoenixville and Spring City, from what I recall. If you decide to store the WVO and want to puruse this, let me know and I'll help out. I'm just getting started and researching this stuff, so I can offer no expertise on your original question. Hope the ankle heals up well. Andy Ken Dunn wrote: I have stumbled on about 200 gallons of WVO in the ~5 gallon containers that it came in. That part is great! I'll be picking it up this weekend. Now, the tricky part - in the spring I broke my ankle while skateboarding. That put an immediate halt to my processor development. Its probably 80% completed but, I don't even really remember what I was working on last. Now the even trickier part - my wife is not likely to be too patient with me having 50 - 5 gallon containers in the garage for too long. Now, I have 2 empty 55 gallon drums that I could put about half of it in but, I'm not sure if I want to tie those up for that purpose. Ok, so the question here is, do I work on the reactor to process the oil or do I just get down to the knitty gritty and make biodiesel? I could use the 5 gallon containers that the oil is in and just use the simple bucket method to get the job done. I suppose I feel a bit more confident in the simple method (probably because I have less waste if something goes wrong). I guess that I should add that at this point, I've only ever done test batches. I haven't done anymore that a gallon at a time. What do you think? I hope everyone is doing well! Take care, Ken Lancaster County, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Andrew Libby Tangeis, LLC Innovative IT Management Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels: A Disaster in the Making
and Indigenous Peoples, who are economically marginalized and more dependent on natural resources like water and forests. Biofuels are a disaster in the making. Existing legally binding standards, regulations and enforcement mechanisms in the (potential) production countries are absolutely insufficient to prevent the above-mentioned impacts. International demand for biofuels is already surpassing supply in key countries like Malaysia and Brazil, giving an important push to the expansion of destructive crops like oil palm and sugar cane. Initiatives to produce these monocultures 'Äúresponsibly'Äù are rejected by many NGOs and social movements in the production countries themselves, who have emphasized that the above-mentioned negative social and environmental impacts are inherent to the large-scale production of monocultures. There is nothing green or sustainable to imported or exported biofuel. Instead of destroying the lands and livelihoods of local communities and Indigenous Peoples in the South through yet another form of colonialism, we call upon Northern countries to recognize their responsibility for destroying the planet'Äôs climate system, to reduce their energy consumption to sustainable levels, to pay the climate debt they have created by failing to do so until now and to dramatically increase investment in solar energy and sustainable wind energy. We also call upon all governments to develop and effectively enforce environmental and social standards and regulations that ensure that national biofuel production industries do not destroy the livelihoods and ecosystems of Indigenous Peoples and local communities. Corporations should be held strictly liable for any social and environmental damage that has occurred and they should be effectively prosecuted if they do not uphold environmental and labor laws. Signed (as of 30/10): Global Forest Coalition Pacific Indigenous Peoples Environment Coalition Institute of Cultural Affairs, Ghana Oilwatch Red America Latina Libre de Transgenicos Elsa Nivia RAPALMIRA RAP-AL Colombia Acci^n Ecol^gica, Ecuador Instituto de Estudios Ecologistas del Tercer Mundo, Ecuador Fundacion para la Promocion del Conocimiento Indigena, Panama FASE-ES, Brazil Ecological Society of the Philippines Forest Peoples Programme, UK Asociacion Indigena Ambiental, Panama Worldforests, Scotland Bhartiya Kissan Union Robin Wood, Germany Sarhad Conservation Network, Pakistan Centre Internationnal d'Etudes Foresti^®res et Environnementales, Cameroon Onehemisphere, Sweden WALHI/Friends of the Earth-Indonesia KEPS/HKCA, Pakistan Munlochy Vigil, Scotland Grupo de Reflexion Rural, Argentina Timberwatch, South Africa Fundacion Ambiente Total del Chaco, Argentina Corporate Europe Observatory Costa Carrera, Chile Tom Lines Rob Law ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Andrew Libby Tangeis, LLC Innovative IT Management Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
This is no accident. The same kind of thing has been true of their mapping application for a while now. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=lhl=enq=miserable+failure,+washington+dcie=UTF8lr=lang_ennear=sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=92.518848,103.886719om=1ll=38.902923,-77.039952spn=0.023612,0.025363 or for the big url disinclined: *http://tinyurl.com/nexjr The search is for Miserable Failure, Washington DC. Andy *Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mystery
I want my two dollars. Two d-dollars. (bad, perhaps young movie reference. Anyone get it?) Andy Mike Weaver wrote: Whatever. Just send me my damned dollar, McLoren... Kirk McLoren wrote: I have given this to a lot of people. The biofuels folk are atypical. Ok guys give yourself a pat on the back. */D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: If you reformulate the conclusion as follows: 30 original cost - 3 the dollars the men got back - 2 the bellboy's tip you get $25. The $2 is subtracted not added. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - *From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:44 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Mystery 3 MEN GO INTO A MOTEL. THE MAN BEHIND THE DESK SAID THE ROOM IS $30, SO EACH MAN PAID $10 AND WENT TO THE ROOM. A WHILE LATER THE MAN BEHIND THE DESK REALIZED THE ROOM WAS ONLY $25, SO HE SENT THE BELLBOY TO THE 3 GUYS' ROOM WITH $5. ON THE WAY THE BELLBOY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPLIT $5 EVENLY BETWEEN 3 MEN, SO HE GAVE EACH MAN A $1 AND KEPT THE OTHER $2 FOR HIMSELF. THIS MEANT THAT THE 3 MEN EACH PAID $9 FOR THE ROOM, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF$27, ADD THE $2 THAT THE BELLBOY KEPT = $29. WHERE IS THE OTHER DOLLAR? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Motorcycles was Fuel Help
The prospect of running a biodiesel motorcycle is precisely why I joined the list. Are there folks here that have any input on the idea? Is it practical? I'm an avid motorcyclist but have always wanted to find a way to embrace riding yet have a smaller footprint environmentally. Also, I'm just learning about fuels in general. How comparable is biodiesel to home heating oil? Or is this a poor question because of the variety of biodiesel options available? New to the list and throughly enjoying myself. Andy Zeke Yewdall wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, *Joe Street* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul; I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. Joe Paul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all, I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel: http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene. Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
