Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
> > David, you may find the web site posted by Sam to be interesting. How > it works is still a mystery to me, though I can think of some things > which may somehow be related. At the sub-atomic level matter/energy > has a magnetic component to it. At the molecular level many molecules > have a magnetic moment associated with their polarity. Hence, such > molecules will tend to align with the lines of a magnetic field. Even > "non-polar" fluids like organic solvents may still have some small > degree of molecular polarity. How it works is not yet defined so far > as I know, but in the case of the polar fluid water it also seems > that water has the ability to retain a magnetic/energetic 'memory' > for a significant period of time. > > However, perhaps like the competent driver who has no concept of how > an engine works, we may still be able to use magnets even if we don't > know how they do their 'magic'. We simply need to experiment and > learn what does and does not work, like you seem to be doing. > Cheers, Warren, Yes, the web site posted by Sam was the first I visied before testing (also there are one mirror in spanish ). It's very convincent and incite to explore this phenomenon. In any case, if the water retains certain magnetism, why it's not possible to be detected with a compass for example? Regards David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
Hello Warren, The orientation (today) is south in fuel lines and north in the air intake. But some time ago, on initial tests, I've reversed poles. My question is: If dyno (and also bio) diesel are'nt magnetic particles or magnetic propierties, how affects a magnet the fuel? Is able with a magnet to dissociate or catalyze some in fuel? Skeptic... Regards David Hola Warren, Actualmente la orientacin es polo sur en las lneas de fuel y norte en la admisin. Pero tiempo atrs, en test iniciales, los polos estaban opuestos. Mi pregunta es: Si el dino (y bio) diesel no tiene partculas o propiedades magnticas, ÀCmo afecta un imn al combustible? ÀEs posible disociar o catalizar con un imn el fuel? Escptico... Saludos David Warren Rekow wrote: > David said > >> Yes, Ian. I'm testing (for one year ago) with very very stong neodymium >> magnets from used DC electric motor. A pair of them are in line fuel, >> and the other in intake. >> ... but, as I said before, nothing apparent occurs. > > > Hola David, the orientation of the magnets (south pole facing into > the fuel line?) apparently alters their effectiveness. Could you > describe how your magnets are arranged on the fuel line? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
Yes, Ian. I'm testing (for one year ago) with very very stong neodymium magnets from used DC electric motor. A pair of them are in line fuel, and the other in intake. ... but, as I said before, nothing apparent occurs. Regards David Si, Estoy probando (desde hace un ao) con imanes muy muy potentes de nodimio procedentes de un motor elctrico de CC. Un par de ellos en la lnea de fuel y el otro en la admisin. ...pero, como dije antes, nada ocurre aparentemente. Saludos David ian wrote: > if you want strong magnets, you can get very very strong neodynium magnets > out of broken pc hard drives, they are small and great fun to play with. > Ian > - Original Message ----- > From: David Sanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / > > > > Magnets? > I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, > but... aparently nothing happens. > It's only my opinion. > > David > > Imanes? > Uso imanes permanentes en las lneas de fuel y en la toma de admisin de > mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. > Es slo mi opinin. > > David > > Dick Carlstein wrote: > >>> From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money >>> >>> I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel >>> mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might >> >> increase the >> >>> effectiveness of foggers? >> >> >> *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more >> urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking >> out novak's baby was easy. >> >> *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, > > just > >> like the fogger. >> >> *some questions into the article : >> >>> ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with >>> the south-seeking poles directed inward >> >> >> *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other >> method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have >> forgotten ? >> >>> The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic >>> magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and >>> four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar >>> strong magnet will work >> >> >> *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough >> for this application ? >> >>> Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to >> >> believe... >> >> *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' >> works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this >> lends credibility to this gent's thesis. >> >>> You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... >> >> >> *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go > > on. > >> any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all > > of > >> these odds and ends, i find... >> >>> ...Natural Energy Works has been selling >>> these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 >> >> plus >> >>> $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for >> >> $12.95. >> >>> The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or >> >> furnace, >> >>> when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or >>> combustion chambers. >> >> >> *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on >> why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? >> >> *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer > > the > >> better', or will 'close enough' do ? >> >> *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs > > on > >> fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. >> >> *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit > > of > >> meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at >> some significant savings here. i've got the fogger down pat, and am > > halfway > >
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
I know, but testing with magnets is fast and cheap. Why not try? Regards David Lo s, pero probar con imanes es barato y rpido. ÀPorqu no probar? Saludos David steve spence wrote: > apparently, there is no science to back up the claims of the promoters of > this "technology". > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "David Sanz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / > > > > Magnets? > I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, > but... aparently nothing happens. > It's only my opinion. > > David > > Imanes? > Uso imanes permanentes en las lneas de fuel y en la toma de admisin de > mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. > Es slo mi opinin. > > David > > Dick Carlstein wrote: > >>> From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money >>> >>> I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel >>> mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might >> >> increase the >> >>> effectiveness of foggers? >> >> >> *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more >> urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking >> out novak's baby was easy. >> >> *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, > > just > >> like the fogger. >> >> *some questions into the article : >> >>> ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with >>> the south-seeking poles directed inward >> >> >> *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other >> method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have >> forgotten ? >> >>> The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic >>> magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and >>> four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar >>> strong magnet will work >> >> >> *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough >> for this application ? >> >>> Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to >> >> believe... >> >> *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' >> works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this >> lends credibility to this gent's thesis. >> >>> You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... >> >> >> *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go > > on. > >> any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all > > of > >> these odds and ends, i find... >> >>> ...Natural Energy Works has been selling >>> these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 >> >> plus >> >>> $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for >> >> $12.95. >> >>> The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or >> >> furnace, >> >>> when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or >>> combustion chambers. >> >> >> *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on >> why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? >> >> *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer > > the > >> better', or will 'close enough' do ? >> >> *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs > > on > >> fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. >> >> *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit > > of > >> meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at >> some significant
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
Magnets? I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, but... aparently nothing happens. It's only my opinion. David Imanes? Uso imanes permanentes en las lneas de fuel y en la toma de admisin de mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. Es slo mi opinin. David Dick Carlstein wrote: >> From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money >> >> I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel >> mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might > > increase the > >> effectiveness of foggers? > > > *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more > urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking > out novak's baby was easy. > > *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, just > like the fogger. > > *some questions into the article : > >> ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with >> the south-seeking poles directed inward > > > *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other > method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have > forgotten ? > >> The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic >> magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and >> four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar >> strong magnet will work > > > *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough > for this application ? > >> Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to > > believe... > > *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' > works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this > lends credibility to this gent's thesis. > >> You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... > > > *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go on. > any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all of > these odds and ends, i find... > >> ...Natural Energy Works has been selling >> these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 > > plus > >> $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for > > $12.95. > >> The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or > > furnace, > >> when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or >> combustion chambers. > > > *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on > why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? > > *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer the > better', or will 'close enough' do ? > > *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs on > fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. > > *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit of > meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at > some significant savings here. i've got the fogger down pat, and am halfway > there with the h generator, so all i need to do now is mix some meth into > the gas, grab some magnets and run... > > *life is only bearable when dreams egg you on, methinks... > > A DAILY GAME > > My death and I play daily games, > whence she reminds me of herself, > whilst I keep focused on my elusive quest, > paying but scant attention to her ways, > too busy with dreams I need to claim, > before time comes for our embrace. > > *thanks for helping me enlarge the scope of my dreaming, warren. > > *and pls excuse myn OT jingle... > >> From: "Paul Gobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: water + alky / dino-svo + alky / auto tranny + svo / biod + > > svo > >> Apace Technology in Australia developed an emulsifier that enabled the >> mixing of ethanol with dinodiesel. They were active some 20 years ago but >> don't know where it went from there. > > > *thanks for the info paul. i have it that benzene will allow a certain > ammount of water contaminated ethanol to mix with gasoline, but have yet to > try this. what about meth/dyno ? the asuncion, paraguay municipality at one > point was going to make 10% anhidrous (absolute) ethanol content mandatory > in dyno used in buses and such, but the project flopped due to truck/bus > owner's resistance. maybe the old rubber controversy...?? > > (bobeda, any chance you could stop lurking and explain the eth/dyno program > in asuncion ?)(:-D) > >> From: Jeremy Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money > >> I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have >> extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the >> limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the >> water a whole lot more soft > > > *yes, i can corroborate that. we also have hard water in colonia, uruguay, >
Re: [biofuel] Digital pH meter
Dave, Try this: http://www.benmeadows.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/scstore/p-222500.html?L+scstore+mxie7232+980865595 David Dave Rygmyr escribi: > Hello everyone. My name is David Rygmyr and I live in > Washington State, USA. I am very interested in trying > my hand at biodiesel and have been busy doing my > homework; I've purchased the book "From the Fryer to > the Fuel Tank" and have been all over the > journeytoforever.org, veggievan.org, homepower.com, and > have gone to many linked sites for more info. (Great > stuff by the way, and my thanks to you on this list who > were involved with these!) > > I'm building my "lab" now; the great scavenger hunt > begins. I'm a big fan of doing it once and doing it > right. I already know that I don't want to mess around > with pH strips or dye. The source listings in the book > and websites didn't offer any specific brands or > models, so I'm wondering if anyone here has a hands- > down recommendation for a specific unit. Believe me, > I'm not eager to spend a lot, but I've also learned the > hard way that you get what you pay for. My guess is > that I'm after a middle-of-the-road unit that's > reliable and easy to clean. (One source listed was > Edmund Scientific although it looks like their unit > requires an ongoing purchase of consumables?) > > Thanks! > --Dave > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
