[biofuel] BP's idea about Biodiesel
Hello, Below is the point of view of BP about biodiesel. Will BP invest in biodiesel? Surely it is the ultimate green fuel for the green consumers of 2000. We have of course looked into this carefully, but concluded that biofuels for road transport are not necessarily the cleanest alternatives. Best Regards Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/975788073/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] biodiesel from FFA left after sunflower oil refinement
Hello, In Turkey it is also easy to find FFA left after sunflower oil refinement. I am planning to produce biodiesel from this FFA. Does the recipie of Mike also work for it or what should i do in order to beneficiate FFA. Any suggestions? Best Regards Huseyin Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Create your business web site your way now at Bigstep.com. It's the fast, easy way to get online, to promote your business, and to sell your products and services. Try Bigstep.com now. http://click.egroups.com/1/9183/2/_/837408/_/973967159/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [biofuel] Chat - was hello???]
Dear Keith, it will be great to start the chat among the group members. i will try to participitate from Turkey Huseyin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - maybe i'll chat once avery few months, but it's a great addition, certainly would be faster to get simple snippets of info that point to the best sources. Keith Addison wrote: We could set it up, if you like. I think. Anyone else interested? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ egroups offers a web based chat on their website. -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Hasan TURCAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [biofuel] hello???] Hello, once i heart about chat group on icq server but i couldnt get no more information. Does anybody know about this chap group Huseyin Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - OOPS I messed this up. What is going on with the group? The chat room window keeps popping up over and over again. JI Chat room? I didn't know we had a chat room... any chatter in it? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. http://click.egroups.com/1/6348/5/_/837408/_/970433163/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [biofuel] hello???]
Hello, once i heart about chat group on icq server but i couldnt get no more information. Does anybody know about this chap group Huseyin Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - OOPS I messed this up. What is going on with the group? The chat room window keeps popping up over and over again. JI Chat room? I didn't know we had a chat room... any chatter in it? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. http://click.egroups.com/1/6348/5/_/837408/_/970241873/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [[biofuel] current status of biodiesel]
Sorry for my poor english. Would you please tell me the exact meaning of yellow grease Best Regards Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half of the US manufacturing capacity for biodiesel is made from yellow grease. DOE has invested quite a bit in the last few years documenting the fuel properties, emission, and performance of yellow grease biodiesel and biodiesel made from other resources. There are three commercial industrial facilities that make biodiesel from yellow grease and the rest of them (4 of them) make biodiesel from soy and palm oil in the U.S. Yellow grease biodiesel has been commercially used in large bus and vehicle fleets for several years, including Deer Valley School District and the U.S. Post Office. It is not significantly different from biodiesel made from soy or rape, although there is a higher variation in cloud point. Some stability and Cetane improvements over vegetable oil also may occur with yellow grease. Yellow grease biodiesel costs range between $1.25 and $1.60/gal depending on scale, while soy biodiesel remains above $2.00/gal in most cases. DOE is working with several industrial partners and a couple of universities on converting trap grease and sewage scum to biodiesel. The trap grease problem may be close to resolution and we hope to be involved in a commercial scale facility in the next 18 months, depending on financing issues. The scum (which is the technical term for grease from sewage systems) may be a tougher nut to crack. We may be able to make scum into a good boiler fuel, if not into biodiesel itself. Trap grease biodiesel costs may fall below $1/gal, but that remains to be seen. Biodiesel also makes a good hydrogen feedstock. A lot of questions on biodiesel started with uses. As a blend with diesel (#2, #1, Jet A) up to 20%, no engine modifications are required, and few operational problems have been noted with ASTM quality fuel (ASTM PS 121). Higher cloud points do occur. Power losses and fuel economy are generally withing 1% of that for diesel fuel. Lubricity is significantly improved. In fact, Stanadyne has recommeded that all diesel contain at least 2% biodiesel for fuel injection equipment durability. Biodiesel is blended and marketed by petroleum marketing companies much the way ethanol fuels are treated today, and so far, customer and petroleum response is very favorable. Despite the higher fuel cost, no new vehicles are needed to meet EPACT compliance requirements. Used pure, eg B100, biodiesel faces material compatibility issues but can be used just as diesel fuel is used in any application that diesel is generally used in, with some exceptions. B100 has a clould point of 0 to 4 degrees C so cold weather operability is an issue with B100. Also, any rubber and copper compounds such as rubber seals or brass fittings that come into contact with the fuel will start to react and will need replacement. Most engines made after 1994 have fewer concerns than older engines. A 10% loss in fuel economy and power can be seen, although most changes are in the 7% range due to higher fuel density. We used B100 from yellow grease to power 4 Kolher generators (25 kwe) at Earth Day 2000 in Washington DC last April. Absolutely no problems were encountered and the generator manufacturers are delighted with the product. The Alt Fuel Committee for the EMA wants to see more material compatibility testing and more field data, which is to be expected for any new fuel. Emission wise, biodiesel reduces CO, HC, PM and air toxices (PAH, nPAHs,) depending on the percent blend of biodiesel used in diesel fuel and the type of engine and applicaiton employed. With engine stand EPA testing NOx emissions go up and with chassis dyno testing NOx emissions go down. The PM from biodiesel is roughly 90% less mutagenic than that for diesel fuel based on AMES testing. Partical size is similar, but PM is signirficantly lower, which is generally attributed to an oxygen effect. Soy biodiesel has an energy efficiency in excess of 3 (3 units of energy out for every unit of energy in) and we expect the yellow grease biodiesel to be better than that. CO2 recycling is around 87% for soy biodiesel and we expect similar numbers for yellow greaes biodiesel. Food demand can always command a higher price for biodiesel feedstocks than fuel producers are willing to pay. None the less, biodiesel from both soy and yellow grease appears to be commercially viable in the U.S. at this time, and I don't see any real reason for that situation to change in the near future. In the longer run, DOE is developing mustard crops to expand supplies of biodiesel feedstocks while keeping the price of the oil low (under 11 cents/lb). The coproduct (and the higher value product from mustard) is the meal which will be used as an organic pesticide
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Hi, Before beginning pilot production, i tried to produce small scale biodiesel. Let me explain what happened My recepie was like 150 gr unused sunflower oil 30 gr methanol 0.6 gr NaOH I tried to mix the ingredients in a erlenmayer by shaking 15-20 minutes with a temperature of 40-50 °C. At the end, there occured two layers. One is at the bottom which is clear and brownish color and occupied 1/5 of the container and the other layer was cloudy and occupied 4/5 of the container. I am sure that there is something wrong. Can you help me to understant what gone wrong Best Regards Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 e|- Are you out of this world? http://click.egroups.com/1/6692/5/_/837408/_/965077528/ |e- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] washing the biodiesel by bubble method
hello, i know the translation of the bubble method but a non-english speaking man i want to learn the step by step procedure of bubble method wash of biodiesel. How bubbles occur during washing. I will be appreciate if you can clear my mind about this subject Best REGARDS Huseyin TURCAN Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 e|- Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. Install today: http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/5/_/837408/_/964693238/ |e- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] type of engine for biodiesel testing
Hello, I am planning to produce biodiesel next week. I want to show the society that biodiesel can run a diesel engine and decreases the tail pipe emissions. Here diesel cars are really expensive. I found one old Mercedes engine with a cheap price. I want to learn which of the above choices can help my demonstration project. Please advice me acoording to your experiences. Best Regards Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 e|- BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? If not, check this site out. They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/5/_/837408/_/964562890/ |e- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Third oil shock: real or imaginery
sorry for my missing message. i am forwarding it again Hello everybody, There is a paper which was published in Oil Gas Journal, Week of June 12,2000 was about the present situation of the crude oil market. The name of the paper is Third oil shock: real or imaginery . The author analysed the situations of 1973 and 1979 oil crisis and tried the point out the same conditions of todays situation. Oil shock is not a good situation for the whole world but it is an interesting analysis in order to see the importance of renewable alternative energy sources once more. I hope these kind of analysis make the governments to have serious policies about alternative energy sources. I advice you to read the paper. Huseyin Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Old school buds here: http://click.egroups.com/1/7081/5/_/837408/_/964040420/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] no seperation
hello everybody, thanks a lot to the guys replying my previous questions. In my first trial of producing biodiesel in the laboratory there occured a cloudy and unseperated mixture . It mýght be because of the quality and the quantity of oil, lye or methanol.i filtered it through a filter paper. The final product was a yellow very clean fluid. So is it possible to use an unseparated mixture as biodiesel after filtering. Thanks Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? If not, check this site out. They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/5/_/837408/_/963755461/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [biofuel] no seperation]
hello steve, no i didnt experience ýt in a diesel engine, it was because i wasnt sure about its composition and performance. That trial was before my pilot studies .i aimed to learn how to make biodiesel and in august i will try to produce in large quantities Best Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - did it burn in an engine? where there any differences in performance over regular diesel? -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax If we don't believe in freedom of speech for people who we disagree with, we don't believe in it at all. -- - Original Message - From: Hasan TURCAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: [biofuel] no seperation hello everybody, thanks a lot to the guys replying my previous questions. In my first trial of producing biodiesel in the laboratory there occured a cloudy and unseperated mixture . It mýght be because of the quality and the quantity of oil, lye or methanol.i filtered it through a filter paper. The final product was a yellow very clean fluid. So is it possible to use an unseparated mixture as biodiesel after filtering. Thanks Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? If not, check this site out. They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/5/_/837408/_/963755461/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. http://click.egroups.com/1/6137/5/_/837408/_/963763149/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [Re: [biofuel] no seperation]]
dear steve thanks for your advices [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - you should be testing your brew before you start making bigger batches. a small diesel generator or junk vw ( I picked up a non roadworthy vw rabbit for $150 that had a good engine) will work fine. -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax If we don't believe in freedom of speech for people who we disagree with, we don't believe in it at all. -- - Original Message - From: Hasan TURCAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [biofuel] no seperation] hello steve, no i didnt experience ýt in a diesel engine, it was because i wasnt sure about its composition and performance. That trial was before my pilot studies .i aimed to learn how to make biodiesel and in august i will try to produce in large quantities Best Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - did it burn in an engine? where there any differences in performance over regular diesel? -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax If we don't believe in freedom of speech for people who we disagree with, we don't believe in it at all. -- - Original Message - From: Hasan TURCAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: [biofuel] no seperation hello everybody, thanks a lot to the guys replying my previous questions. In my first trial of producing biodiesel in the laboratory there occured a cloudy and unseperated mixture . It mýght be because of the quality and the quantity of oil, lye or methanol.i filtered it through a filter paper. The final product was a yellow very clean fluid. So is it possible to use an unseparated mixture as biodiesel after filtering. Thanks Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? If not, check this site out. They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/5/_/837408/_/963755461/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. http://click.egroups.com/1/6137/5/_/837408/_/963763149/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Wish you had something rad to add to your email? We do at www.supersig.com. http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/5/_/837408/_/963766938/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] mixing rate during biodiesel production
hi everybody, i produced biodiesel in the laboratory with high speed mixer (11,000 rpm) and i am planning to produce biodiesel in pilot scale what should be the approximate mixing rate in rpm? Best Regards, Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. http://click.egroups.com/1/6820/5/_/837408/_/963580106/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
