Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
You house a coydog? All the coydogs ive met have been ill tempered untrustworthy beasts. Is it due to upbringing, or lack of that makes them so? from what i understand about animal personalities is they are similar to humans in how they react to their emotional environment. - Original Message - From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass > Greetings, > Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of > accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. > > Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do > sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half > coyote and I almost lost her due to her hunting before I started to feed > her raw. Now, she no longer eats what she kills, she brings it to Mom to > make sure it is okay before chowing down. > > On a sustainable farm, trying to establish a sustainable way of life, I > feel that the animal feeds should be home grown. I love the change for the > better this has caused in my fur family, especially my 10 year old black > lab, who is also a rescue. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim > At 12:57 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: > > > I've heard similar stories. Large dogs tend to have a longer life > >span than small cats, do they not? Seventeen years is a LONG time for > >an outdoor cat to live. > > > > > > Am I understanding correctly, based upon the outline of your > >argument, that this constitutes evidence that factory food production > >for our pets is responsible for the decline in pet longevity? > > > > > >robert luis rabello > >"The Edge of Justice" > >Adventure for Your Mind > >http://www.newadventure.ca > > > >Ranger Supercharger Project Page > >http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil topoorfolks
We need a class struggle here in the bad old USA, i doubt it would do any good to Venezuela, sapping the energy like that, but the class gap needs to be either closed or become so rampantly obvious that someone will do something about it. - Original Message - From: "francisco j burgos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil topoorfolks > Dear sir: > if I were a poor american I would agree 100% with you, but I am a venezuelan > and Mr. Chavez is giving away our wealth with out even consulting the > venezuelan congress... besides he is planting the seed of class hate and > class strugle in USA. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Dermot posted: [snip] > > >It's unethical to kill ANYTHING for no good reason, unethical and not > >sustainable. [snip] This seems to be true. all the documentaries and history ive come across about the Native American cultures allow for taking a non-human life for food reasons as long as the 'Mother' (Earth), and the taken life were shown the proper gratitude for allowing the human life to continue. there are variants culture to culture, but this is a very basic description that applies in general. i would guess there are regional similarities all over the world. THAT was ethical, nothing was unneccesarily done. what we have accepted today is totally hopeless. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] an apology
anyone who was insulted/offended/irritated etc. by my anti fuel tax post, i didnt consider the audience and i apologize for it, sorry guys. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Im gonna have to agree with kieth on this one. the best way to eliminate a problem with the least repercussion, is to blindside it. in our case we need to stay quiet and continue to grow so large, that when the government/corporations DO notice their margins are shrinking and they try to interfere, we'll just roll them under. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? [snip] > Where in the world do you not find illicit stills at work? As with > all things illicit, attempts to eradicate or control it seldom if > ever meet with more than 10% success, and even that's short-lived for > special efforts, 5% is more the norm. > > [snip] > In a way it reminds me of the Hundred Flowers movement in Mao's > China, launched as a new opening up of free expression and ideas, a > lifting of oppression: "Let one hundred flowers bloom," thundered > Mao, "let one hundred schools of thought contend!" Encouraged, a lot > of folks decided to speak out and duly stuck their heads up. So Mao > chopped them off. > > So please do be careful what you might precipitate. I don't think > that biofuellers need a lobby group. I think we should just go on > doing it, and spreading like a weed. What *they* don't know won't > hurt them. Until it's too late. > > I also think you're making a mistake in proposing to deal with it at > a national level instead of a global one. THEY'RE national, WE'RE > global! > > Best > > Keith > [snip] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Congrats on the job, but im not changing my stance. - Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? > You guys DO know I work for the Treasury Dept.? > > bob allen wrote: > > > > >Jason and Katie wrote: > > > > > >>i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes, > >> > >> > > > >yeah, you and leona 'taxes are for little people" helmsley > > > > > > > > if they want to stop me and > > > > > >>test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to > >>it when i get home. > >>America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me. > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM > >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All > >>>registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and > >>>the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for > >>>on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not > >>>dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they > >>>pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump. Ethanol and Biodiesel is > >>>the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal > >>>officials. Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or > >>>another but I havent heard of any tax breaks. Now in the world of do > >>>it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I > >>>leave that one there. > >>> > >>>If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government > >>>gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap > >>>tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try. > >>> > >>>Jim > >>> > >>>Alan Petrillo wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting > >>>>to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of > >>>>highway maintenance costs." > >>>> > >>>>Anyone know anything about this? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>AP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>___ > >>>>Biofuel mailing list > >>>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g > >>>> > >>>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>> > >>>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>> > >>>> > >>messages): > >> > >> > >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>___ > >>>Biofuel mailing list > >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>> > >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>> > >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>> > >>> > >>messages): > >> > >> > >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>> > >>>--- > >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>--- > >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hello (VIRUS)
all that means is someone with midori's address in their computer has a virus. i havent had any trouble with viruses, but i scan my comp twice a day, i guess im sort of a "germophobe" ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes, if they want to stop me and test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to it when i get home. America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me. - Original Message - From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? > There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All > registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and > the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for > on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not > dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they > pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump. Ethanol and Biodiesel is > the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal > officials. Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or > another but I havent heard of any tax breaks. Now in the world of do > it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I > leave that one there. > > If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government > gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap > tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try. > > Jim > > Alan Petrillo wrote: > > >I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting > >to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of > >highway maintenance costs." > > > >Anyone know anything about this? > > > > > >AP > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] One ton of brush and untreated wood
Hydrolizing the mulch will certainly give you sugars, but not all of them will be readily fermented without specific strains of yeast, these are very expensive, and often difficult to maintain outside of a laboratory. until the cellulase enzymes are mass produced, or the need for ethanol outstrips the cost, there is no real way of making biomass ethanol at a private level. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
you guys care to know the real kicker? the systems that i looked up use KOH in the reaction chambers to produce the hydrogen, not solely water. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] diesel vs. gasoline fuels & bike commuting
Actually, i have a friend that just got out of the military, and he said that different variants of jet fuel were what they used in every motorized tool they had, adding different chemicals as they were needed - Original Message - From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesel vs. gasoline fuels & bike commuting > Jet fuel ( is generally a kerosene base ) and closely related to fuel oil, > the basic difference is the amount of allowable sulfur and waxes.In > theory jet fuel could be used in diesel engines with the addition of a > lubricant. > > Greg H. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Any BD in Kansas City Area or Quad Quad Cities area?
I know i have posted this before, but i didnt write anything. twitchy mouse finger i guess. i live in the Kansas City metro area and often travel to my hometown in the Iowa/Illinois Quad Cities Area. i was wondering if anyone out there was located in either area, or knew anyone who was. My name is Jason, contact me offlist if you are near, or have friends near me, i'd like to sit in on a batch if at all possible. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
I was thinking a typical 110 VAC gas or diesel generator, like what would be found on a small construction site. - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process > > > Jason and Katie wrote: > > >If I'm reading this patent paper right, the reaction can happen at less than > >500mA using the methoxide catalyst as an electrolyte, but you need more than > >800 volts to create the field strength necessary for a proper conversion. is > >this correct? > > > Unless I missed something the paper says you do not need methoxide > catalyst. The reaction is supposed to involve a renewable oil and an > alcohol and and electric current. > > >could someone read the paper and tell me if i'm nuts? you can > >make ~12 amps with a 1500W AC generator, and even considering the draw > >nessecary for conversion from AC to DC there would be PLENTY left for the > >reaction, almost 9 amps. > > > Well this is a little hasty. Your generator produces what voltage? > Conidering ohm's law you are only going to get as much current flowing > as the voltage/resistance will allow. Dry oil is a dielectric, in other > words it has high resistivity. So does alcohol if it is anhydrous. For > instance I can suspend two copper rods in a mixture of oil and methanol > at a distance of 5 milimeters separation between the parallel surfaces > and apply 2000 vdc and get virtually no current. You will need a very > special generator to do this job. I have constructed a power supply > with a high voltage transformer and a 'stack' which is a chain of HV > diodes and capacitors which can deliver upwards of 300 mA at several > kilovolts for this purpose. I have a background in maintaining plasma > equipment and particle accelerators which run up into the hundreds of > kilovolts DC and I would suggest that unless you are experienced with > high voltage, even if you are and electronics technician you should > think twice ( or ten times) before you go casually fiddling with HV > stuff. Remember a couple of joules can be lethal and with DC you don't > get a chance to let go 60 times every second like you do with AC! > > >i fail to see the reason why more people haven't > >been looking into this process, i am certainly going to try it. anyone have > >an idea if a switching or linear supply would be better? > > > > > The supply they used in the abstract sounds like a regulated DC supply > with pulse capability and isolated output. References to ground loops > messing up the regulation circuitry tells me this. Initially I assumed > this choice of supply was a poor one and that an unregulated supply > would be less constraining. Initial test results as posted earlier > indicated that the oil/alcohol mixture could withstand much higher field > strengths than one would gather from reading the abstract - on the order > of 650 V/mm before dielectric breakdown occured. No sign of hydrogen > bubbles was seen at field strengths below breakdown. Of course plenty > of bubbles are in evidence in the presence of an submerged arc but these > are most likely vaporised oil. The abstract does say that conditions at > the anode during reaction involve temperatures in the range of 1600 deg. > C. and are strongly oxidizing which makes me wonder now if the regulated > supply was actually sustaining and regulating an arc and this is how the > reaction is supposed to proceed?? This is a big question mark at the > present time. Once ionization happens all bets are off as far as > thinking about how liquid reactions normally take place. Plasma > reactions can account for many weird and wonderful pairings of ionic > species depending on energy and ionization levels and the field is > really not that well understood at the practical level, even for vacuum > systems where the majority of the knowledge was derived. My simple > supply is not capable of regulating under arc conditions so I have > reached a temporary impass. I also find it hard to know if any reaction > has taken place during some of the experiments I have done since there > is no visual indication to be expected as with the conventional BD > process, i.e. no glycerine precipitate! > > Regards > Joe > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
sorry mr Provost, i guess i should have said so. i am a certified electronics tech and im trying to make my work a little easier with something i understand (electronics) because when it comes to chemistry, all i can do is follow the instructions and cross my fingers. jason --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
If I'm reading this patent paper right, the reaction can happen at less than 500mA using the methoxide catalyst as an electrolyte, but you need more than 800 volts to create the field strength necessary for a proper conversion. is this correct? could someone read the paper and tell me if i'm nuts? you can make ~12 amps with a 1500W AC generator, and even considering the draw nessecary for conversion from AC to DC there would be PLENTY left for the reaction, almost 9 amps. i fail to see the reason why more people haven't been looking into this process, i am certainly going to try it. anyone have an idea if a switching or linear supply would be better? - Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Nov 2, 2005, at 7:41 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote: > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ax4md - From this list > > http://tinyurl.com/cao7s - From this list > > http://tinyurl.com/93vqc - US Patent Office > > > > > > Thanks -- this thread has been going for so long, > I think I missed the original. Pardon my skepticism. > Hopefully somebody else can also make it work :-) > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
OK, so if I were to put two plates 1mm apart then the voltage would only be supposedly 15 volts, but i would need more current as per the volumetrics of it? that makes more sense, but does anyone have the experience of actually doing it? what about equations? From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - > The electric field strength should be proportional to just the linear > distance between electrodes. I believe the current needed to maintain > a given voltage differential would increase proportionally to the area > involved. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] any BD in the Kansas City area, or the Quad Cities area?
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Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
- Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method I went to Lazlo's page on the site you linked. Judging by the negative feedback it sounds like the guy is the type who says outrageous things for shock value a la Howard Stern. I haven't heard his bit obviously so it is not for me to judge but if it is true I think he is somewhat wasting his opportunity. I hope these nay sayers are wrong and it is just the case that they don't understand his message. I don't have a problem with abrasive people in fact I think we need that sometimes but it is a pity when mouthpeices go for sensational shocking outrageous material just for the shock value. BTW when you first posted, your references to FCC citations led me to believe he was a pirate radio op. I wish I had the opportunity that he has got there at a comercial station. Chances are they keep him on as a part of a risky ratings game the station is playing. I can't even get a spot on the university station due to the favoritism cliques that exist here. Clandestine operations are the only alternative sometimes but then the audience is virtually zilch..oh well.Its not so much the negative feedback, i mean the guy IS a dick, but he has many many points, and he only does the "shock value" bit when he is particularly angry about something (except when Slimfast and BamBam are involved-i kinda feel sorry for those two...) and is trying to hear other people's opinions on the matter, because around here, only contests get callers, so lazlo pisses people off enough to call and say what they think about the matter. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
- Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Hey Jason and Katie;Does your friend have a website? I'm sure his broadcasts are out of my listening range but I'm very interested in that kind of stuff. There were some audio recordings as early as the late 1800's but I doubt you will find a recording of that type from 1906. I wish.Joe I dont think he does webcasts because he mainly focuses on the music and venting his opinion upon Kansas City and defying anyone to think on the matters he discusses. BUT i can give you the web address for the radio station and they have links to his blog, and contact info, etc. it is: www.965thebuzz.com and his name is Lazlo, he hates what idiocy the government has allowed for itself, and will not even attempt to be "nice" about anything if he believes he is making someone think. thats one of his things, even if you think about something long enough to reject it, you still considered it. he is proud of his FCC record, and i doubt he will stop anytime soon. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] No Child Left Unquestioned by Homeland Security!!
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is morally treasonable to the American public. Theodore Roosevelt He has been right so many times before... too bad he's dead now, we need him. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
What if there were flat electrodes for this, would the ratings still be V/mm or would there have to be a consideration of surface area? if the requirements were in V/mm^3 you could calculate an appropriate voltage for a certain flow rate, and the processor could be compacted the same way a heat exchanging device is. this would be extremely high tensile (4500 Volts, assuming 15 V/mm3) for a 10 lengthx30 widthx1mm thick chamber. any other numbers would have to come from a successful test, the15V are just prelim figures taken from a previous post by Mr. Joe Street and unfortunately have no connections to any test of my own, but if it helps someone with the process, maybe Mr. Street can crack it. Jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] chlorine was Separating Glycerine/FFA
- Original Message - From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] chlorine was Separating Glycerine/FFA OK Zeke, you corrected yourself. regards tallex Mr. Yewdall, I apologize for the biting remarks made previously and thank you for the clarification. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA
- Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're > talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by > electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye > aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself. Chlorine gas was some of the other materials besides mustard gas that was used in WWI in the chemical artillery shells. if you think it isnt all that bad, try reading some of the medical reports of affected soldiers, or even the scientific studies that developed the ideas behind chemical warfare. chlorine gas is one of the reasons chemical warfare is subject to such a heavy retribution in the international community. if you dont think its dangerous, by all means try it, then lets see how you fare. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
> "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government > owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To > destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between > corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of > today." > - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 Hey Mr. Kinzley, do you know where i can get that quote in a soundbyte? we have a DJ here at home who is paying ungodly FCC fines because he doesnt really care, and i bet he would play this as a bump for his "Church of Lazlo" rant session. i wonder how many people have actually heard or read that, that are still alive... --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor
> > >Keith said: > > > > I think free motors should be common enough too, lots of things you > > can salvage a motor from, some might be TEFC. What gets junked that > > uses TEFC motors but it's not usually the motor failing that gets it > > junked? > > I've been considering the exact same question. I haven't come up with > the answer yet though. Let me know if you think of something, I'll do > the same. > > Take care, > Ken is size a problem? don't grain elevators use TEFC motors? but they are absolutely Gia-normous monsters, size wise and hp as well, anywhere from 1 to 10hp and usually the size of a vanity wastebasket, and VERY heavy. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
Evergreen Solutions wrote: >> my name is now officially "people">>Are you saying that I should address each person individially, or that maybe you're interested? im interested...Very. i can't get lye anywhere other than the hardware store, and who knows when they'll run out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
my name is now officially "people" Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad.Our cooperative here just made arrangements for continuing, large scale NaOH delivery from a large chemical supply company. As an effort to share this with the community, we're prepared to offer it to homebrewers for $2 a pound plus shipping (and shipping is apparently about $6 most of the time). You might be able to find it cheaper locally, and if so I applaud you and please disregard this message. Shipping is the real killer. If you're interested, toss me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll go from there. I'm not sure yet whether it's flake or pellet, but I'll assume that it's flake since it's low-cost and bulk.If enough people are interested, we'll put up a website or something similar, maybe run it through ebay or something for security.~Thanks!~ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass for fuel
having read this article, i seem to be missing some of the math... this miscanthus is a rhizome, correct? and like other rhizomes (i.e. strawberries) there is a good sized chunk of sugars and other carbon based items stored in the root/stem system, also correct? so that would imply that it STORES carbon and does not reintroduce all of it when burned, because it stays in the field as the "jump start" for the next growing season. am i correct in this extrapolation? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
> Jason, > > Shouldn't you factor in some sort of labor cost even if you make the > BD yourself (ie, how long would it take to make and how much would you > pay someone, in this case yourself, to make it)? is there no other > overhead in addition to the cost of the fuel? what about fixed > overhead (cost of the space, lighting, depreciation of the equipment, > etc)? > > Ramon I consider my work and effort to be cheap if not free if it gains me something directly, as for materials and space, my yard is mostly empty, and i tend to go "dumpster diving" when it comes to parts, i rarely ever pay off-the-shelf for anything. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Which stage do you think we're at by now, we backyard biofuels
> homebrewing tinkers? For one thing we're brewing up millions and
> millions of gallons of fuel all over the world, who cares about
> manufacturers? Local vs central? No match (IMHO).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Keith
well, i've been telling anyone who will listen for more than 3 minutes
about us, and so far i have had nothing but "social support"
('congratulations, good luck, etc.) but my present supervisor seems to be
VERY interested in this because the company fleet, although small, travels
heavily, and we have been having problems supplying fuel, cash advances are
our present solution, but that is an accounting mess.
if a small company becomes a "homebrewer" does it qualify as homebrewing? i
guarantee the main office would LOVE to stiff the fuel companies right now,
but it is just a matter of convincing them to produce...
i'm still trying, and will be until it works (or i get fired).
the tinker gives a damn,
jason
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Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
Damn Logan, this is a tremendous idea! i had known about boneyard turbine engines for a while, but i hadnt ever put the idea of glyceine to it yet. this is fantastic. i have a recommendation though. why dont you use a gas water heater tank instead of a drum? it already has the baffles for heating built into it, and it already has the more difficult plumbing pre-assembled for you, if you so choose, you could also add to the factory insulation and use it for more than just heating your bio. heat the garage, or the shower, or if you're feeling ambitious, heat the whole bloody house (you'd probably need two turbines for that though.) the tinker gives a damn, jason Original: Logan Vilas > I have built a turbine engine/burner for my waste glycerine. I know it can > be dumped, but mysetup preheats and can produce electricity at the same time > of destroying my waste. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
David, Whoever would dump their byproducts is a fool, most of the methanol can be recovered, and the glycerine can be digested (see: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/MethaneDigesters/MD6.html ) and i'll bet you a dollar that you can use the white greasy junk from bad batches as a "shop soap" (it actually IS soap, but i wouldnt want it anywhere near MY dishes...) the tinker gives a damn, jason --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
> > > > http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml > > > > I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, > > take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? > i wouldnt be inclined to try building/using it without a damn good machinist working for me... --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] plastic solar cell update
ill play test dummy for these guys. just print me a ledger, and i'll gladly help with a field test. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
Zeke, I guess I should have been more specific. I was making the estimate assuming the brewer would be using the fuel themselves. it is a savings estimate, not a "profit" estimate. sorry for the confusion, jason --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems the easiest solution to me. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Paper.Was--Quantifying the Price of Packaging/Sending the Message
im going to soung like a fool for saying this, but im good at that anyway... what about hemp? its been fought over for years about whether or not its worth the risk of raising for paper and other fiber materials, its basically a scrub that has no nutritional value (that i know of anyway) and takes much breeding and cultivation to produce marijuana of any effect (which is why i dont understand how stoners can pay attention long enough to grow the stuff), so why doesnt the government make it a registered ag product like ethanol and use it for packaging and such? jason --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Test Batch Help
Ben, looks like it just needs a wash, i had the same questions when i started, but it is usually kind of pale when you use new oil. it doesn't tend to be darker until you use WVO. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rapid prototyping and computer contour crafting
>A robot developed with NSF support has built the first wall ever >constructed entirely by machine, with no use of human hands. Do these people have any idea how much flak they're going to get for automating construction? that's the only decent job left in my area, and even then the pay isn't too good. Its going to take a LOT of talking to get the average schmoe to accept this kind of technology. (personally, i dont really care, itll make it that much easier for me to build my house, and more cost effective too...) --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
> Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy >wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size >contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. typical, have you ever truly LOOKED at a desert? its not the moon people, there is a huge booming ecosystem that noone can seem to see behind all the sand (actually the sand is only a thin layer above the raw earth) there is plant and animal life that only begins to liven up at night, insects are rampant, and the whole thing is perfectly balanced around the water supply which is usually found as frost at night, and collected in plants as it becomes liquid just before sunrise. it is NOT a wasteland, you just have to know how to look at it. and now for the sake of a clean earth, you would destroy the only place humans dont WANT to go? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] glycerol
hi all, i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i noticed a statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'. if this is true, could it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content too high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of treatment would be needed to combine/break down this sugar into "yeast-food" if it is suitable? thx, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Caustic Soda supply source?
Hi all, I have a small disagreement with this statement, >... APPARENTLY Red Devil lye has been discontinued. I can buy it at the local hardware stores in my area as of yet, it is still in the plumbing and pipe maintenance area, and it is about 5.00USD per pound. if it has been discontinued, I believe it is only within your local distributor. if you wish to pay for shipping and the initial cost, I would gladly send you a few jars. thx, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] clipper wind power
Hi all I have heard of a recent plant opening in a town near my home of a Clipper Wind Power production facility. they manufacture wind turbines, but this is the first i have heard of them. does anyone know what kind of history they have? i've read their website, but a profile written by someone on the payroll tends to be a little jaded i would guess. thanks, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil
Better yet, buy a gas hog and use your own homemade fuel, rub it in their faces, put huge decals on your oversized truck tailgate that says "THIS VEHICLE GETS 20 MPG AND RUNS ENTIRELY ON HOMEMADE FUEL-- EAT THAT EXXON!!!" - Original Message - From: "Bede" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil > in a way fuel tax and sales tax, are the few inescable taxes, > There's no way you can dodge them! > that said in reality America isn't paying anywhere close to what the rest > of the world is per gallon. > > I'm a little skeptical of the need to tax in order to create new products > for some one else to make money of. > > that said if people such as ford or GM started making the kinds of cars > people actually wanted well then they wouldn't be poor financial position > they are today. > > taxing a corporate is like trying to swat mosquitoes in the middle of the > night. > > Why not put a tax on poor fuel economy cars like the H2? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:42 AM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil > > > Fight back - don't buy a gas hog. > > SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans > are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, > and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to > fund research into alternative energy sources, according > to a new survey. > > > > Derick Giorchino wrote: > > >Have no fear big brother will figure a way to filter a large % or possibly > >all of the revenues for some new pay hike or something stupid. Something > >like social security or road tax on California fuel doesn't go where it is > >designated. > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Alt.EnergyNetwork > >Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:20 AM > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil > > > > > > > > > >Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll - U.S. drivers cry foul and support > >oil-company tax > > > >http://tinyurl.com/8m6pp > > > > > >Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll > >U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax > > > > > >SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans > >are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, > >and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to > >fund research into alternative energy sources, according > >to a new survey. > > > >Eighty-seven percent of U.S. consumers said oil companies > >are gouging them on gas prices, according to the telephone > >survey of 1,019 adults in mid-September by Opinion Research > >Corp. for the Civil Society Institute, a Newton Centre, > >Mass.-based non-profit advocacy group. > > > >The Institute, funded by donations and foundation grants, > >supports a variety of initiatives, including 40mpg.org, > >which aims to make 40 miles per gallon the standard for > >all U.S. cars. > > > >Another 7% said very little price gouging is going > > on, 4% said it's not happening at all, and 3% weren't > > sure. The survey has a margin of error of plus, or minus, > > 3 percentage points at a 95% confidence level. > > > >The belief in price gouging was consistent across party > >lines, with 82% of Republicans pointing to "some" or > >"a great deal" of price gouging, 91% of Democrats doing > >so, and 87% of independents. > > > >Many consumers appear ready to gouge right back: 79% of > > those surveyed said they support a tax on oil company's > > profits if the money collected goes to research on > >alternative energy sources. > > > >That sentiment crossed political lines to a large extent, > > with 83% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans and 81% of > >independents supporting such a tax to fuel research on > > alternative energy sources. > > > >But there was less overall support for such a tax to fund > > other initiatives: Just 53% of the respondents support > > a tax on oil company profits to fund a direct rebate to > > U.S. drivers, while 70% support the tax to fund wetlands > > restoration in the Gulf Coast to lessen damage from future > > hurricanes. (The survey offered only those three possible > > purposes for the hypothetical tax revenues.) > > > >Confluence of factors > > > >Consumers' cry of price gouging, and apparent willingness > > to embrace alternative energy sources appears sparked by > > a confluence of factors, said Pam Solo, president and > >founder of the Civil Society Institute, in a telephone > >press conference. > > > >"There are several strains of concern converging for people," > > she said, including steeply higher gas prices, the U.S.'s > >reliance on foreign oil, and global warming. > > > >"Americans have seen ... too little action from Washington > > on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and the dangers > >of too much reliance on foreign oil," Solo
[Biofuel] Neccesity is the Mother of all Invention
Dear Readers, We have entered a new era, where the aged and true adage "Neccesity is the Mother of all invention." can and --albeit slowly-- WILL save us. To reduce my impact on the world, I have done everything financially viable to me at this time. Lowering light wattage, turning off that damnable A/C that my wife loves so much, parking my truck, and other things.As for how I have helped to lower the collective impact on the world, I have been demonstrating to co-workers, and friends, and TOTAL STRANGERS for almost 5 years (it doesn't seem to be much, but consider-- I'm only 21) that there are alternatives. Options are the driving force in this life, and no matter how bad the situation may seem, how cornered you may feel, there are still options. The real problem on Earth is that even though the options are there for everyone to benefit from-- options we have been using for quite some time-- others may not know they have similar options. The best way to help our humanly situation, is to not only reduce our own impact on the world, but to QUIT CRYING ABOUT IT and bring information to people who may not know what options exist. Slowly at first, ideas will creep, then as others are brought to the forefront more ideas will emerge, thus beginning a wildly uncontrollable chain reaction...1..2...4...8...16...32...64...128...256. Our movement must not be confined to the libraries and mailing lists of private America, we must be shouting from the highest tower and shining inspiration upon the people who want most to help, but dont know how.The Lighthouse Association ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Darryl, Try a "dog water bowl heater" from the pet store theyre not EXPENSIVE but theyre not couch money either. its designed for pets living outdoors during cold seasons, i believe they can heat to 120* F . or try a 120V water heater element (about $20,00USD) itll need a mounting bracket, but you can put a thermostat on it, and they run about 1500 watts. jason From: "Darryl West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed > Hi Guys, > > I have found getting a submersible heating element a hassle. Can anyone > suggest a place to get an old (or maybe new) element as I have looked around > and haven't come across anything! --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] questions about commercial ethanol production
Does anyone know anything about Sam Cogdill, or Amazing Energy in Omaha, Nebraska? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
