Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid
...struck a nerve did I. :) Okay, mission accomplished :) :):) Jerry Turner - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jill, Should you be able to rationalize within some degree of reason how Mr. Turner's remarks were not due to lack of and disjointed reasoning, and how the malodorous stink generated by such ill ferment is spread to the four winds as seed to bespoil whatever fertile ground on which it may land, then I would surely consider modifying or perhaps even retracting one or two of my remarks. On the other hand, as Mr. Turner's remarks are aggregiously in error and his purpose is blatantly apparent as one to politicize and malign in the effort to diminutize and dissassociate truth from reality, he opens himself up for the full gell coat that his foolishness affords him, no matter whether it be in a public forum or not. Preferable that it be public for the entire world to see. Life is too short to molly coddle persons who feign to be adults in the effort to not offend their delicate sensibilities. And if you don't believe that such myopic mindsets don't have anything to do with biofuels, just examine the wrong-mindedness of the present US administration accross the board. The same disjointed, erroneous and fabricated reasoning that has been applied to Iraq is being applied to fuel efficiency, conservation, natural resources, global warming, nuclear power, proliferation and trade - all of which are, were and will be connected long before and long after Dubbya is gone. As for your complaints about talk show chatter? You bitch about opposing view point and then go on to read a full page, chapter and verse, as to the opinions of your favorite, radical, right-wing, so-ultra-'conservative'-as-to-have-long-since-fallen-off-the-edge-of-the-flat-Earth talk show host yesterday. What's up with that? You say that differing opinions are what's beautiful about this country. (The US.) But you denegrate not only differing opinons from your own, but others who tend to rely more upon fact than opinion. Perhaps you'd care to explain away your own inconsistancy and doble standards on those two accounts? Such incongruities are okay when they suit your purpose and anything that doesn't suit your purpose or opinion is apparently not okay? Apparently differing opinions are what make your world so beautiful, because without them you wouldn't have a podium from which to bitch? Oh..., by the by, if you have the time (doubtful, but if) pulling up but a few installments of Limbaughtomized archives (much less the past thirteen) will reveal that your favorite talk show host is far more of a war-monger than the peace maker that you romatacize him to be. And he's always been that way. Most folks find that a continual diet of such showmanship peppered swill leaves them so socially emaciated - at all levels - that they must find a more balanced diet lest they starve themselves. Death by nationalism. It's happened before and is returning to a theatre near you. Todd Swearingen Have you been Limbaughtomized yet? Jill Mello wrote: Okay, I joined this list to talk about how to create run engines on biofuel, now I find I'm bombarded with talk show chatter in my e-mail box? This debate runs into our daily lives and affects our thoughts and pocketbooks tremendously. However, it would be nice if we were respectful by not stating that people have lack of and disjointed reasoning and stating to get their head out of their own stink. In doing this, you insult all of us who have the view that the war in Irag is essential to our security. Baghdad, for the past 30 years, was THE hotbed of terrorist support. If YOU look at the information out there, you will find the basis for the war. Most people I know, and I'm from the New England, next to California, the most liberal minded area of the country, have found that once they've reviewed ALL the information out there, not just what they hear on the news and in the newspapers (God help us with the Boston Globe!) that the reality is that Hussein PAID, in thousands of US dollars, people to blow themselves up, encouraged the terrorist training camps, supplied Bin Laden with safe have, worked with Syria to provide comfort to our enemy and threatened us with creating nuclear arms. Does this mean that Iran and N. Korea should be ignored? No, as Iran is a complicated mess and N. Korea has a leader who is varifiably insane. Both would love to wipe us off the map. But, Iraq being a healthy country will help us in influencing other countries to discourage terrorists. You do not have to agree with me, that's what is beautiful about this country. I have friends fighting and training Iraqi troops, their culture is one of fear, they don't dare disagree with a leader, it's been ingrained in them from birth. It will take some
Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid
NOWHERE in Mr. Noam Chomsky post is mentioned that over 2600 AMERICANS lost their lives and did so on AMERICAN soil!! IMO you would have to be a total moron to even think that the terrorist would have been satisfied taking down the WTC! Hell no they would have kept on killing AMERICANS at every opportunity. If Clinton would have had the guts to run this country instead of getting blows jobs in the oval office, 9/11 would have never happenedyou know it and I know it. Jerry Turner - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid See also: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9394.htm Terror Attacks Near 3,200 in 2004 Count http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9387.htm It's imperialism, stupid By Noam Chomsky 07/05/05 ICH - - IN his June 28 speech, President Bush asserted that the invasion of Iraq was undertaken as part of a global war against terror that the United States is waging. In reality, as anticipated, the invasion increased the threat of terror, perhaps significantly. Half-truths, misinformation and hidden agendas have characterised official pronouncements about US war motives in Iraq from the very beginning. The recent revelations about the rush to war in Iraq stand out all the more starkly amid the chaos that ravages the country and threatens the region and indeed the world. In 2002 the US and United Kingdom proclaimed the right to invade Iraq because it was developing weapons of mass destruction. That was the single question, as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on which Bush received congressional authorisation to resort to force. The answer to the single question was given shortly after the invasion, and reluctantly conceded: The WMD didn't exist. Scarcely missing a beat, the government and media doctrinal system concocted new pretexts and justifications for going to war. Americans do not like to think of themselves as aggressors, but raw aggression is what took place in Iraq, national security and intelligence analyst John Prados concluded after his careful, extensive review of the documentary record in his 2004 book Hoodwinked. Prados describes the Bush scheme to convince America and the world that war with Iraq was necessary and urgent as a case study in government dishonesty ... that required patently untrue public statements and egregious manipulation of intelligence. The Downing Street memo, published on May 1 in The Sunday Times of London, along with other newly available confidential documents, have deepened the record of deceit. The memo came from a meeting of Blair's war cabinet on July 23, 2002, in which Sir Richard Dearlove, head of British foreign intelligence, made the now-notorious assertion that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of going to war in Iraq. The memo also quotes British Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that the US had already begun 'spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime. British journalist Michael Smith, who broke the story of the memo, has elaborated on its context and contents in subsequent articles. The spikes of activity apparently included a coalition air campaign meant to provoke Iraq into some act that could be portrayed as what the memo calls a casus belli. Warplanes began bombing in southern Iraq in May 2002 - 10 tons that month, according to British government figures. A special spike started in late August (for a September total of 54.6 tons). In other words, Bush and Blair began their war not in March 2003, as everyone believed, but at the end of August 2002, six weeks before Congress approved military action against Iraq, Smith wrote. The bombing was presented as defensive action to protect coalition planes in the no-fly zone. Iraq protested to the United Nations but didn't fall into the trap of retaliating. For US-UK planners, invading Iraq was a far higher priority than the war on terror. That much is revealed by the reports of their own intelligence agencies. On the eve of the allied invasion, a classified report by the National Intelligence Council, the intelligence community's center for strategic thinking, predicted that an American-led invasion of Iraq would increase support for political Islam and would result in a deeply divided Iraqi society prone to violent internal conflict, Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger reported in The New York Times last September. In December 2004, Jehl reported a few weeks later, the NIC warned that Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills and language proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalised' and for whom political violence becomes an end in itself. The willingness of top planners to risk increase of terrorism does not of course
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Alex, I would think you could find a number of website forums that deal strictly with the LR. If you got the owners manual it should give you that information. Check with a LR dealership?? Good luck, Jerry - Original Message - From: alex burton To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hello All Thanks for all the advice in the past. After a year of making Biodiesel and not being able to use it i purchased a 1994 Discovery (at the Right price ) I wanted somthing after 1996 but couldnt afford it so 1994 is it.I have checked for all the normal stuff eg cracked head ,transmission etc and it all seems ok.only some bushes have to be changed and tyres. 1. My question is about the fuel lines (what seems like hard plastic of a unknow kind )and fuel system the two pumps. Dose any one know what type of rubber is in the 1994 Landrover TDI 300 fuel system.Is it safe to use 100% Biodiesel if not what parts should i change??? (I am slowly introducing biodiesl at around 5---10% so far )but i dont want to go any higher till i get some advice about the fuel lines etc.I am just cleaning out the system slowly.but dont want to do any damage. 2. Also what is the effect of using a Petrol fuel filter but with a mix of Diesel/Biodiesel is it safeI am driving around with a 2nd new landrover filter incase my filter gets blocked but i havent found a in line filter for diesel so i am unsure if it is safe to us a Petrol filter. Thanks in advance for any adviceAlex. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: was Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
Doesn't make a damn to me who said itits just plain good ole advise. Jerry - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: was Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... What a load of bull. I sincerely doubt that the Robin Williams was the author of the xenophobic rant below. tallex ---Original Message--- From: Jerry Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Sent: 05 Jun 2005 03:42:17 AMEN - Original Message - FROM: Michael Redler TO: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org SENT: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:27 PM SUBJECT: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Why do all the xenophobic emails end with: If you agree with the above forward it to a friend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option. After watching Patch Adams, I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash. Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed! Mike _LISA SIMPSON _ wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our interference in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never interfere again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 da! ys to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign students over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a D and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not interfere, They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us Ugly Americans any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
AMEN - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Why do all the xenophobic emails end with: "If you agree with the above forward it to afriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !" as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option. After watching "Patch Adams", I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash. Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed! Mike lisa simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to RobinWilliams to come up with the perfect plan .. what weneed now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up andrepeat this message.Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with thislogic!)I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I havenot heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.1.) The US will apologize to the world for our"interference" in their affairs, past present. Youknow, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic andthe rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never"interfere" again.2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over theworld, starting with Germany, South Korea and thePhilippines. They don't want us there. We wouldstation troops at our borders. No one sneaking throughholes in the fence.3.) All illegal aliens have 90 da! ys to get theiraffairs together and leave. We'll give them a freetrip home. After 90 days the remainder will begathered up and deported immediately, regardless ofwho or where they are. France would welcome them.4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checkedand limited to 90 days unless given a special permit.No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in.If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available toanyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11cashiers.5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older onesare the bombers. If they don't attend classes, theyget a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to becomeself-sufficient energy wise.This will include developing nonpolluting sources ofenergy but will require a temporary drilling of oilin the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have tocope for a while.7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producingcountries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don'tlike it, we go some place else. They can go somewhereelse to sell their production. (About a week of thewells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophein the world, we will not "interfere," They can prayto Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement orwhatever they need. Besides most of what we give themis stolen or given to the army. The people who needit most get very little, if anything.9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated islandsome place. We don't need the spies and fair weatherfriends here. Besides, the building would make a goodhomeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.10.) All Americans must go to charm and beautyschool. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans"any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that awinner of a plan."The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give meyour poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She'sgot a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want apiece of me?'"~~~If you agree with the above forward it tofriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
