Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol
What si the FO Licht. newsletter? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol > On Wed, 8 May 2002 02:40:12 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >I agree!!! However, some some price data is available > >on newsletter of FO Licht. > > > >Jai > > Greetings: > > Thanks for the helpful suggestion. We have yours, and also the > helpful suggestion to look at the CBOT, if we know someone who can get > us into that area. > > In both cases, the responses appear to work only if one pays money or > knows someone who has a de facto payment or qualification. There is > no way, unfortunately, to get pricing for the commodity on a regular > basis that doesn't cost undue time or money. > > A couple of years ago I looked into this and one of the things that > became apparent was that at least one of the expensive petroleum > industry newsletters did carry ethanol pricing info. All I'd have to > do is pay $1000 per year or something like that and I too could have a > good idea of what the stuff cost that I spend so much time trying to > defend or figure out. > > The Petroleum industry knows well that getting the pricing info out > there might be of strategic importance in getting folks educated about > the substance and giving them an idea they might buy some and use it > for something other than imbibement. It is the ethanol lobbyists who > don't seem to understand this at all, or think they can get away with > sacrificing this one thing to the wishes of ADM et. al. > > Methanol would be in a similar boat but the main methanol publicly > traded company, methanex, provides pricing info, delayed one month, > gratis at their website. Bravo to them for their insight. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol
concerning pricing, it is very difficult as you know, I asked all the members earlier this year for a web site for pricing and got no response. If you are aware of a web site that has pricing of ethanol, please let us know jt - Original Message - From: jai uppal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol > I agree!!! However, some some price data is available > on newsletter of FO Licht. > > Jai > --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For several years now I have been saying on HIPC, > > and now here, that I > > think a major failure of ethanol proponents, > > including the RFA (who > > have done a decent job on some things), has been a > > failure to make > > ethanol pricing available to the general public, to > > make it *freely* > > available, as are the prices of major commodities, > > such as oil. How > > can ethanol proponents pretend they are ready to > > compete in some way > > as a transportation fuel if they are so friggin > > small-time they can't > > be bothered to get their product out there and have > > it traded in a > > transparent way. > > > > I now realize that part of the resistance to this > > idea has probably > > been that those with a vested interest in not seeing > > the pricing made > > transparent (ADM, et. al.) brought influence to > > bear. In other words, > > I was right (hypothetically) and there was no > > particular good reason > > that the price of ethanol should not be made more > > widely available. > > > > While these are hypotheses at a distance (I have no > > way of researching > > these matters, as I have nothing to do with the > > industry), I haven't > > met with any particularly helpful reaction, in > > agreement or > > disagreement. > > > > A webmaster could get a few hits by posting daily > > pricing or > > every-fifteen-minute pricing. > > > > MM > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
Include me in that [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol > > Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a > >whitson- > > Hi Gaw, Marc and all > > Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say "Me too please!" Marc, > but this might save you some trouble? > > What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for > experimentation or education or your own use, can't you? > > Best > > Keith > > >-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent > > > 1,704,213, "Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute > > > Alcohol" and scanned it. Anybody want it? > > > > > > Marc de Piolenc > > > Iligan, Philippines > > > -- > > > Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 > > > > > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: infornation on ethanol dehydration using molecular sieve urgently required for India
Would you please forward any information you receive. Thank you . [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: jai uppal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: infornation on ethanol dehydration using molecular sieve urgently required for India > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
I would like an answer to that question myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation > Which is the better process route to achieve dehydrated ethanol from fermented broth? Extractive distillation? Azeotropic distillation with an entrainer? Molecular sieves? Prevapoation with membranes? All seem viable but what are the financial benefits for selecting each route? > Andy Thomson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA hassle
Anne, What was the size of your production? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Arne P. Ryason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA hassle > > > > > > This week I have been shut down by the EPA because they say I may not use the > > health effects data developed by the non-profit National Biodiesel Board, > > which is used by every other commecial producer in the country, but must > > develop my own. The EPA estimates that will cost me in excess of $1,000,000. > > Needless to say, I cannot come up with that kind of money. The EPA stated > > this week if they catch me making more of the fuel, the fine is up to $25,000 > > per day. I choose not to join the National Biodiesel Board because of their > > contract requirements which are unduly burdensome on a small operation like > > mine. It is like other industries: get big or get out. > > > > Damn. I knew I was right. F***ing politicians. The current US administration is > owned and operated by Big Oil, which is owned by Big Banks. From the above post, > it looks to me like they are starting to swat at the mosquitos. > > "But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same > Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their > Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government and provide new Guards for > their Security." > - The US Declaration of Independence. > > Don't re-elect anyone. Don't elect members of the Bipartisan party - > Republicrats and Demolicans. Throw the bums out. > > Arne > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats
I am trying to locate a site on the web where I can find out the history and weekly wholesale prices of ethanol and E-85. Do you know of such a site? If so, please E-mail it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the help. Joe T. - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Processing animal fats > > - Original Message - > From: "awaideau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Paul, > >We are currently using the quantities suggested. Despite weeks of > > settling and boiling, we get what appears to be large quantities of > > soap at room temp, althoug with a small amount of heating ( to about > > 40-50 degrees C ) this soap appears to melt. Because of this I am > > not sure if it is soap or unprocessed fat. There is almost no trace > > of glycerine in the bottom, and only about 5% of the total volume in > > liquid biodiesel on top. > > This morning I tried to 'wash' a sample and when water was added the > > mixture became thick and white, probably the soap. > > Allen it sounds as though the reaction is incomplete. Animal fat can be > tricky. i suspect that it doesn't obey the titration rule. > Try retreating the batch with a 8gNaOH/50ml methanol per litre brew of > methoxide, could take a while to dissolve the NaOH, may have to use more > methanol. If this works up the NaOH level in subsequent batches. > Used 16.7g of NaOH per litre to successfully process beef tallow. Figures > seem ridiculously high but processed well. > > Regards, Paul Gobert. > > www.ozimages.com.au/profile.asp/MemberID=517 > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
