Re: [biofuel] Re: Last word on forests
Are there prescribed burns in your park? I know that they do them frequently in Sequoia, and that there was a disastrous one in Bandelier, which probably really set back the movement for prescribed burns. Have you had any experiences with them? On a more abstract note, I think the root of this, and most environmental problems comes from people separating entirely themselves from nature... we decide to manage nature like a factory, and then set aside a few little areas in parks so we can go look at nature in all its splendour, praise the lord... no surprise that people get upset when we want to go and manage those areas as well, not matter how well done it may be. The problem is with the way the entire landscape is managed - you won't get much sympathy for doing anything in the parks, as long as the rest of the landscape is being raped. And I can sympathise with that. I do know something about this... I've spent much of the last 8 years doing field work in pristine and old growth forests in Ontario (and some in BC) and we have a problem with fire supression here too. Still, in the last pockets of pristine forest I'm not keen to invite in timber industry to do something about it... I know that the fire cycle is incredibly variable even in this area of red and white pine forest, where they are quite frequent, so I figure we have some time still to figure it out. Whether that's true in your area, of course, I don't know. I wonder if we invest energy in prescribed burns if they can't work better... like everything, it can probably be done if there's a will to do it. I've done some selective cutting myself, in woodlots that have been managed for many years, but I see this as something completely different... even I have fallen into the "two categories" trap, or rather I've been forced into it, because it's the only model we've been offered. I believe, or hope, that will begin to change... but it has to change on both sides, that is industry must move as well. The other big problem is that moderates are rarely heard in forest debates... mostly you get corporations and hard core environmentalists sparring, but the whole framework of the discussion is wrong. I believe that in Quebec about eight (?) years ago unions, environmental groups, and some logging companies put together a joint statement asking for improved management, reductions in annual cuts, etc. - I don't know how they feel about it now, but those kind of collaborations are neccessary to make change. mike Hakan Falk wrote: >What they are doing is something that I can subscribe >to and if you seen what Motie said, he will too. But the >problem discussed from the start was that the environmentalists >hindered this in Motie's forest. In Motie's forest they did not >do clear cutting, they want to do selective harvesting and >cleaning, but was not able to do so. This because it is a >National park and they were refused to finance a responsible >forest management by the courts. By being hindered to do >so, they have an unbalanced forest with large risks of >fires. This in a National Park, that should be the best of >the best, otherwise it is no real meaning with National Park. > >I understand fully Motie's predicament and would go crazy >if I was in his situation. If he would have been in private forest >as the link describes, it would have been possible. It is not lack >of knowledge in what is best, it is lack of knowledge by those >who sabotage proper forest management in Motie's forest. > >Hakan > >At 10:33 PM 12/18/2002 +0900, you wrote: > >>http://www.yesmagazine.org/23livingeconomy/flaccavento.htm >> >>from the earth, up > >>by Anthony Flaccavento >>Before any course of action, we should first ask: >> >>Photo by Ann Hawthorne >>What is already here? >>What does nature allow us to do here? >>What does nature help us to do here? >> Wendell Berry >> >>On November 1, 1996, the day-shift crew arrived at the Louisiana >>Pacific Waferboard factory in Dungannon, Virginia. Greeted by a small >>group of security guards and a management representative, they were >>told to go home. The plant was closed. Permanently. No notice had >>been given. Ten years after opening its doors in this richly forested >>Scott County community, the plant laid off nearly 100 workers, also >>idling loggers who had been supplying the plant with logs. The >>profits from this plant, management said, were not high enough to >>keep it operating. >> >>The Appalachian regions of Tennessee and Virginia are not in crisis. >>Rather, the area is suffering from long-term economic stagnation and >>marginalization, and steady ecological deterioration. It is an all >>too common story of cultural and economic subordination, of >>individuals and communities gradually relinquishing the skills, >>knowledge, and bonds that made this part of the world different from >>countless others. >> >>But there is another Appalachian tale unfolding. It is the evol
[biofuel] cold weather starting
I've actually just bought my first diesel car, and this is one of my main concerns (as I said, I don't really know anything!) - If I go skiing and can't plug my car in, for the day or sometimes even for a few days, do you have tips on starting it when I want to get home? Is this something I need to worry about? Sounds like you have lots of experience, and I really don't know what to expect going into my first winter with a diesel. When I get that far, I'm also planning to mix biodiesel with petro diesel to reduce cold weather starting problems. Is that a good solution? While it may not be a real problem at all, It may be a percieved problem with diesel - for people like me who don't know much about it but what they've heard. The effect can be the same. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: >I had diesel cars the last 26 years as private vehicle, both in Sweden and >after I moved to middle and southern Europe. In Sweden it was often minus >25 Celsius in the winter and minus 15 Celsius in Central Europe. The only >time I had serious problem was one time when I was skiing in Sweden and it >was minus 40 Celsius for a couple of days. Had to heat it up and then put >20% Kerosene in the tank. Could not ski anyway, since the risk for bad >frostbites was too big. > >Hakan > >PS. during the same period I had gasoline company cars. > > >At 10:34 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >>I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian >>perspective I think diesel is widely considered a "dirty" fuel (and it >>sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but also it's >>hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if >>surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point would also >>apply to some areas in the US. >> >>Mike >> Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom >>>Hello Thom >>> >>>Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: >>> >>>"Fuel Lubricity Reviewed", Paul Lacey, Southwest Research Institute, >>>Steve Howell, >>>MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International Fall >>> >>Fuels and >> >>>Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San >>>Francisco, California. >>> >>>Lubricity Benefits >>>http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF >>> >>>Best >>> >>>Keith >>> >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Biofuels list archives: >>>http://archive.nnytech.net/ >>> >>>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >>>To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Biofuels list archives: >>http://archive.nnytech.net/ >> >>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >>To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Global Diesel Differences
I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian perspective I think diesel is widely considered a "dirty" fuel (and it sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but also it's hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point would also apply to some areas in the US. Mike >>Hello All, >> >>I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European >>(global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement >>processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, >>etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions >>differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible >>description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable >>lack of presence in the US. >> >>Thanks, >>Thom >> > >Hello Thom > >Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: > >"Fuel Lubricity Reviewed", Paul Lacey, Southwest Research Institute, >Steve Howell, >MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International Fall Fuels and >Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San >Francisco, California. > >Lubricity Benefits >http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF > >Best > >Keith > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
