Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves
Thank you very much Balaji We have lot of cocunut husk hsk here all wasted . we suerly need you help for this project development Can you give us some details about the low cost brick or ceramic gasificatio units for rural areas . What about any new news from IIsc gasifaction adopted to rural areas. Thanking you yours sincerly P.V.Pannirselvam On 5/11/05, Balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pannir, Mike, Thomas and Steve, The open top down draught reburn gasification process developed by Indian Institute of Science and used in our power and thermal systems generates about 5% of the biomass feed as charcoal, having ~ 80% fixed carbon and Iodine Value of 450 -550. ( This IV is a measure of the mg of Iodine adsorbed per gm of charcoal and is different from the IV used to determine unsaturation in organic compounds such as fattty acids. Mehtylene Blue and CCl4 Carbon Tetra Chloride are other chemicals used to index the adsorptivity of carbon). We have developed a simple thermal activation process, where the dry charcoal as above is held at 800 Deg C for a period of 2 - 3 hours and then cooled enhancing the Iodine Value to 800. Most municipalities in the country are mandated to use Activated Carbon of IV 500 to remove colour, odour and possibly some microbes. The online tap water filters in India use a variety of finely divided silver doped Activated Carbon which has higher IV. As you rightly point out, the inorganics (and some of the organics as well) are eluted with dilute mineral acid, the cheapest being dilute HCl, when more of the surface gets opened up, increasing the IV. This has particular relevance to rural areas, where power can be generated at the pit head, so to speak and the charcoal used as an organic filter to provide clean drinking water from contaminated ground water. We are implementing a UNDP funded grid connected rural electirfication project in Karnataka where we hope to realise some of these ideas. I shall highly appreciate any leads to the study of ethanol's effect on the IV/surface area of charcoal. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves Helo Mike , Dean Thomas and Steve The process of making or activating carbon can be simple chemical treatments to remove the inorganic metal using acids , steam oxidation of organic materials or ethanol solvent removal of oganic materials. By using appropriate filter media and support the Lye formation can eliminated and hence no need to bother as Steve thinking , as solvent can form lye surely. Steve , the poor really drink lye, water with impurities in several part of the rural areas of the worldand what we want to do is to filter the lye using activated carbon I am not able to find the results about ethanol solvent activation as this is novel and new process. Here Keith can come out with the recent work in this fields from the data banks , even though I have tried to do so with out success. For rural area this simple process is more favourable l than industrial conventional methods . sd Pannirselvam Brasil snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] palm oil,Brasil and fexivel biofuel.
In Brasil , BioD is made from fatty acids and ethanol in a very large scale using catalyst made here , a byproduct the fatty acids from the palm oil refinig process very sucessfully and thus the food and fuel from palm oil sucessfully. Most of the car manfactured in Brasil , FIAT, VW, Renau , Fordc are all makinf fexible biocombustivel the ethanol, gasoline and also the natural gas, thus really towards renawable fuel.This can make possible the biogas replacing the natural gas. May be soon Brasil exports catalysts for BioD process. sd Pannirselvam On 5/7/05, heernica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, if anyone knows of a running plant using palm oil to make biodiesel I would be very interested in its process. thanks, Hen. Enjoy Today as if it were Your Last! -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience
The waste vegetable oil is obtained by thermal cracking , the soap ou glop may be the glycerine part, the other free fatty acids as the main products , which under acid condiciones and room temperatuture with longer time forming BIOD . This may or may not be true The thermal cracking process is under intensive studies to make Bio D in Brasil as this lead greater lead yields.This method need further studies . sd Pannirselvam On 5/7/05, Pedro Ordonez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a question I've had for a while now. If the purpose of making Biodiesel is to lower the viscosity of the oil, what would happen if we used just free fatty acids? Why won't that work? Pieter Koole wrote: Some time ago I wrote about my mistake, to not boil off the water out of wvo, so I finished up with a lump of soap, glop or whatever we can call it. Alltogether it was 1000 liters. Now I decided to try to break the soap with phosphoric acit (75%) and let it sit for several weeks. The soap was cracked and I was lucky to siphon from the top just over 700 liters of BD. I have been driving on it, without any problems. Maybe someone out there can do something with this information. I have been thinking that I might be driving on FFA's at the moment in stead of BD, but it works. Pedro ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] looking to travel, (fuel stops)(stories) and biofuel
Hlio Billy Wish you the best of the sucees. Here , in Brasil , people are able to buy used small motor fiting this in bicycle.You can thik of making simple flexivel biofuel motor bicycle , meet te several biofuel people and make the jouney for ever. sd Pannir On 5/7/05, billy truman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am planning a trip (search and see) around the states but I would rather not support our car culture. I am an avid cyclist but for time, I'd like to find some happy medium. So IF i can find people around the country that would be willing to share there experiences and maybe become a stop on what might become a route for travelers. I don't have it yet, but I would like to have a web site that list all the stations, homes, farms, etc. they can stop at and fill up. (without supporting the...) anything would help words of advice anything your neighbor Chris __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD
Helow Pieter Koole The free fatty acids react with Naoh , make sop and hence retards as this this an unwanted byprocts as this one is called the saponifcation , where as the other one you understand well is transesterication , whwr both the by products are glyceine where is the main product is the Bio D and soap . I hope you understand now sd Pannir selvam Brasil On 5/8/05, Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Maybe a silly question, but I cannot figure out how it works really. As far as I understand, veg.oil exists out of a glycerol + 3 fatty acids, like a head with 3 legs. During the BD proces, we break off the legs, using NaOH, and connect a methanol molecule on each leg. When we break off the legs, I would think we have free legs, so free fatty acids. What mistakes do I make when I think this is how it works ? So, if this is how it works (which is prob. not the case), why do we worry about free fatty acids ? I would say that we only would need less lye, because the legs are already lose. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol
Helo Pieter As we have done Phd work on the etanol form biomass via enymatic in 1980 from IIT Delhi , see earlier post in this list,we like to help in your effort towards making etanol form biomass. Please kindly send details about your past experiments. Zeolite surely can be used to seprate the alcoihol by adsorcao. welcom for our social technology network sd Pannirselvam Brasiil On 5/7/05, Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would like to give it another try to make ethanol from sawdust or other cellulose materials. In the past I have tried Sawdust ethanol production which I read somewhere I think on JTF, but didn't succeed. Well, IF I succeed this time, how can I now the % of ethanol and water ? I have zeolite, so I should be able to dry the ethanol. Can I measure the gravity to be sure enough I have 100% ethanol ? Would zeolite also adsorbe the alcohol ? If yes, what to do ? Drying the zeolite would cause loss of ethanol.or ?? Any advice on making ethanol from sawdust or newspapers would be very welcome. Another - maybe stupid - question : Sometimes I read snip in the messages. What does that mean ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves
Helo Mike , Dean Thomas and Steve The process of making or activating carbon can be simple chemical treatments to remove the inorganic metal using acids , steam oxidation of organic materials or ethanol solvent removal of oganic materials. By using appropriate filter media and support the Lye formation can eliminated and hence no need to bother as Steve thinking , as solvent can form lye surely. Steve , the poor really drink lye, water with impurities in several part of the rural areas of the worldand what we want to do is to filter the lye using activated carbon I am not able to find the results about ethanol solvent activation as this is novel and new process. Here Keith can come out with the recent work in this fields from the data banks , even though I have tried to do so with out success. For rural area this simple process is more favourable l than industrial conventional methods . sd Pannirselvam Brasil On 5/6/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A while back, we had a discussion on simple cook stoves. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/46479/1 I was wondering if some of the charcoal collected from the stove could be used as a water purifier. I quickly checked the archives to see if it was already discussed and didn't find anything. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: First Contact
Dear Ramesh Well and wish the same from you Several years before I was in India to attend international conference and I am able to buy an TVS made Motor BIKE , very good one for my father and It is proud that I am in contact with one of the engineer good south Indian company , able to survive highly competetive globalised market and wish TVS the great future here IN Brasil too. I wish to make some buiness proposal Para Tvs to make flexivel gasoline and alchol motor for small TVS model .Surely the the alcohol made for drinking can serve for removing energy problems as that has been well proved here in Brasil the problem of food vs fuel.Brasil is exporting alcohol made food drinks , in additio to make 1 billhaoes liter of alchol por year makig this country ustainable economically. Even though I am an IIT Delhi ,got PHD in Biofuel , ethanol from biomass in 1983 , but left India , but not forgetten , I am very happy too have theGhandhian thinking from school like you and also I was Student leader Sarvodhaya study Circle serving poor when I was in Annamalai University (1969-1975) Independ of marriage I wish our young Tamil people come up in life We work here the same small cale biotech and biofuel project from cashew , coconet , banana and cashew. I am native from Panruti near by Pondy, M.E from annamalai PHD from IIT Delhi, BIO CHEMICAL , settled here in BRASIL , married to Brazilian Advocate. As I had several time telefoned one of my respected - Makal sakthi eyaka Leader, my only close contact with India Dr T.Karunakaran , but lost touch as he has now moved from university from MP to become vice chancellar of Ghandhigram Rural university.Dintugal, Madurai .TN, India Plese kindly help me to have contact again with Dr T.K and I wise your and TVC active participation to make the bifuel international events related to Rural and apropriate technology a reality and also I wish you join hands with us work together to make our journey togther for technology for the poor people.I feel Dr. T.K can conduct this event in India , but Dr .T.K is very busy in the villiage work .I am sure we can help him to get the finance and you can hold this in Tamil nadu. In this respect , we can make join effort and colaborate if we can.Other wise I request you to to indicate some one who can make the network between us the India and Brasil. We have very sucessful running the small scale alcohol distillation unit in Brasil semi automatic low cost automation for the distillation of alcohol using bagasse wastes and wish to make joint project with you regarding felexivel biocombustivel , solid alcohol fuel , biogas and wood gas based energy generation . You are welcome to have a chat with our research group. Sd Pannirselvam P.V. On 5/5/05, AMT- RAMESH.R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hai.Mr.Pannirselvam, I am Ramesh working here at Lucas TVS Ltd., Padi, Chennai-600 050 What are you doing there in Brazil...? Though I am Manufacturing Engineer with Mechanical Engg. background I dont know anything about it. Here at LTVS, we are manufacturing Autoelectrical parts like Strter motors, Alternators, Wiping system, etc Bye and take care, R.Ramesh * --*** Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nanotechnolgy and Social Technology
Even though I like the word appropriate technology , clean technology , people technology , , intermediate technology Gandhian and Budist technology of my native place , we can call this finally all these one as Social technology as this is an method , as this an philosophy and principles compared to the other as conventional technology. machine and chemical based technology. Nano technology is every where in the world of the conventional technology development groups as for them ,the technology is the end products not related with the way they are appropriate or not. We are inovolved some work in using micro capsules to make alcohol based on the natural polymers .Surely Nano technology can be social , making the biofuel every where But the group that develope look the convencional way of the market system for the people who have more money .Surely Nano technology , like Biotechnology has role to play for biofuel production too as social technology , but very few group care for the same. Thus the fear is well fonded. sd Pannirselvam P.V Social technology Person for the Global Green future Brasil On 5/5/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike I think your fears are well-founded. I like your applying appropriate technology principles to nanotech, great! I'd agree appropriate technology is a philosophy, though maybe not only a philosophy. We've discussed it before here in terms of Buddhist technology, and also Gandhi, interesting. The question, I suppose, is whether one is for or against nanotech, but I don't think that makes sense. Technology is neutral, in essence, but how it's applied, by whom, for what, and at whose expense, is another matter. This is from a previous message about GMOs: GM still is a very promising technology, but not in the hands of the likes of Monsanto, as is very obvious. With their slant on things and their history, we don't need any more Brave New Worlds brought to us by the Monsanto's and Dow's of this world any more than we need a 21st Century sponsored by Big Oil. It's to be hoped that the fully justifiable public outcry against Monsanto's antics with GMOs aren't going to permanently discredit the technology in the public eye and put it out of bounds. I think the same applied to nanotech. This publication by ETC with the Dag Hammarskjold Foundation, on the technological challenges of the 21st Century, sets the scene well. It's very good, covers GE, nanotech and more: ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Century http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159 I enjoyed that book, pdf download or hard copy free for the postage. How familiar are you with the Precautionary Principle Mike? And the debate around it, especially in the US now - precaution vs risk assessment, mainly. Very interesting. With this fairly typical of the backdrop (from another post): News: Forty public policy groups have this in common: They seek to undermine the scientific consensus that humans are causing the earth to overheat. And they all get money from ExxonMobil. There are good resources on the Precautionary Principle online. And on my hard disk too. Maybe I'll do a roundup. Regards Keith No one denies that nanotech will produce real benefits, but, based on the history of nuclear power, biotechnology and the chemical industry, skeptics are calling for a precautionary approach. The resulting clash of philosophies... (IMO) There is a hidden message in these words. Every time I see an article on nanotech, I flinch. It's not because I deny it's potential, but because it has been the new buzz word in some circles. I sometimes convince myself that the reason some trade magazines have an infatuation with this, is because they've found a quick way to blow off their responsibilities for the next issue. All they have to do is read how sensational it is in a few other publications, then re-package it. Remember turning on the radio and saying Oh crap! Not that song again!? I have no doubt that on come occasions, it has taken real estate from magazines that could have reported on technologies from which people could immediately benefit. Personally, the timing on this couldn't be better for me. After recently discovering the philosophy (I think I'm correct by calling it a philosophy) of appropriate technologies, one could debate where nanotech belongs as a priority and to what extent the possibility exists for it to divert attention away from more economical and readily available solutions to problems in human civilization. Am I venting? Yep. Am I right? Sometimes :-) Maybe I'm overreacting. However, I have no doubt that the problem exists. I just have a hard time figuring out how big the problem is. To help you see things from my point of view, here's a little more information. I chair a section of the
Re: [Biofuel] Jelled ethanol with charcoal and cellulose
Greeting to our dynamic leader of our list , Keith Thank you for your quick reply Because we have used vegetable oil , all going here as waste, we are interested in this to make solid gel fuel.How to do so is the real question .Some one can give new ideas as our group is really very big and have expert in this field. Cellulose powder can absorb oil and hence can help to be mixed with the gel.solid that have been already made as solid mixing is not the problems, but the .liquid mixing is the problems. Eventhough solubility of vegetable oil is good , this may or may not allow the gel formation .Only practical experiments can do the help. sd Pannir Selvam On 4/29/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pannir Greeting Keith Is it possivel to make use in a considerable small amout of the used waste cooked vegetable oil to make jellified ethanol fuel sd PannirSelvam How so? If you mix them you just get a more viscous liquid mixture, not a gel, and it wouldn't burn as well, lower flashpoint, more oily flame. Sorry, Pan, I think I don't quite understand your question. Could you explain please? If I remember correctly from some tests we did a couple of years ago, up to about 22% ethanol will mix with vegetable oil, I'm not sure how much oil will mix in ethanol. Hydrogenated oil would just liquify, wouldn't it? Regards Keith On 4/27/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankyou Hoagy, that's great! Chalk and vinegar, sunshine and moonshine. Keith Some other jelled gelled alcohol ideas -- Zen Gelled Alcohol Stoves - Sterno-like Stoves Jelled/Gelled Alcohol http://zenstoves.net/Sterno.htm Extreme do it yourselfers can make their own gelled fuel at home with alcohol and calcium acetate (C4H6CaO4). Either methanol or ethanol can be used for fuel. Calcium acetate (C4H6CaO4) can be purchased or made by slowly dissolving calcium carbonate (eggshells or chalk) in vinegar, filtering, and allowing to dry. If you are new to chemistry take a look at this high school science project page. Chemical Reactions and Solid Fuel http://www.montvilleschools.org/highschool/science/edorff/chemistry/fu elslab.htm A solid camping fuel like Sterno was discovered several years ago when a group of campers forgot to pack fuel for their camp stove. Because the area prohibited use of campfires, the campers needed to use an alternative fuel source. One of the campers made a gel that they could use as a solid fuel. To make this gel, chalk was crushed and mixed with vinegar. The resulting mixture was filtered through a napkin and the liquid collected was heated using a solar reflector. Some rubbing alcohol was poured into the solution to form a gel which burned. Step 1: Reaction between chalk (calcium carbonate) and vinegar (acetic acid, dilute) to produce carbon dioxide, water and calcium acetate . . . Step 2: Filtration of unreacted chalk from the mixture to leave a solution of calcium acetate in water . . . Step 3: Removal of excess water from calcium acetate solution . . . Step 4: Mixing alcohol with calcium acetate to form fuel . . . Step 5: Combustion of fuel produced . . . Step 6: Evaluation of fuels produced . . . [more] Baking Bread (And Other Recipes) With An Alcohol Stove http://trailquest.net/baking.html Cloudwalker's Homemade Alcohol Stove http://www.cloudwalkersatpage.com/page014.html The Gelled Alcohol Stove Fuel - Calcium Acetate http://wings.interfree.it/html/Gelalcohol.html Keith Addison wrote: This is from a previous message on ethanol gel: Mix 11 grams of Calcium Acetate with 30 mg of water. Make sure all the Calcium Acetate is dissolved, this might take an hour of occasional stirring. Measure 10 mg of the solution. Slowly add 40 mg of ethanol. As you add the ethanol, the mixture should gel instantly. Pour off any remaining ethanol (a very small amount). Because the mixture gels instantly, you do not have to combine the two until you need to use it for cooking. I made some Calcium Acetate by neutralizing acetic acid with lime. Works well, gels immediately, burns very nicely, but it's not very stable, best to make it when you need it. This way, since it's bioduels in the Third World rural development setting that we're most interested in, everything required is probably available locally, or could be. Ethanol can be brewed on-site (and probably is already), even if it's not absolute; acetic acid can be brewed the same way, by aerating the mash, and agricultural lime is fairly ubiquitous. ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Jelled ethanol with charcoal and cellulose:solid biofuel
Greeting Keith Even though we spend several hours of search in Internet about gelled fuel, we are not able to find any information about the use of the cellulose , but which have been reported to be very successful. Thank you Keith bringing here real practical experience ,how to make yourself work , which is the real objective of this group. sharing knowledge , practical one on biofuel applications and social neworking based on this knoweldge. Solid biofuel is poor rural man need , even India lack research in this field, eventhough India has the simple and solid biofuel social technology making use of cowdung , any dried leaves , solar drying , amk possible removing animal waste from big cites by self employed poor social enterprenuers, reusing the wastes solids, instead of incinerating and land fill dumping , selling this one as good poor man fuel of the low cost .But this simple social self employed best technology is excluded by the conventional technology of urbanization using gaseous biofuel is pushed nowadays. Jelled biofuel with clean burning using novel products and process can be as importantproject as that of BioD that appear to have impact as social technology as the cow dung based solid fuel technology. Thanking once again on behalf all the developing countries , students and teacher can do better social work with this new products and good hope to have the great green future for the needful based on the biomass fuel. sd Pannirselvam On 4/25/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pannir Greeting Larry Dear Larry Think of using the fuel gel made using cellulose powder or wood charcoal carbon powder for making fuel from alcohol . Several important information are available from the old list archives of this group. It is not very clear whether you want use the fuel for distillation of ethanol .Still for what purpose ? Charcoal powder, that's interesting. You can also use wallpaper glue, I guess that's cellulose. This is from a previous message on ethanol gel: Mix 11 grams of Calcium Acetate with 30 mg of water. Make sure all the Calcium Acetate is dissolved, this might take an hour of occasional stirring. Measure 10 mg of the solution. Slowly add 40 mg of ethanol. As you add the ethanol, the mixture should gel instantly. Pour off any remaining ethanol (a very small amount). Because the mixture gels instantly, you do not have to combine the two until you need to use it for cooking. I made some Calcium Acetate by neutralizing acetic acid with lime. Works well, gels immediately, burns very nicely, but it's not very stable, best to make it when you need it. This way, since it's bioduels in the Third World rural development setting that we're most interested in, everything required is probably available locally, or could be. Ethanol can be brewed on-site (and probably is already), even if it's not absolute; acetic acid can be brewed the same way, by aerating the mash, and agricultural lime is fairly ubiquitous. Here's another one, with proprietory ingredients: Ethanol Solid Fuel Gel / Fire Starter Carbopol EZ-3 Polymer á Primary thickener for alcohol systems - neutralization with a specific amine is critical á Provides good clarity and overall aesthetics á Low skinning cracking á Approximate burn time of 2.5 hours per 200 grams á Self-wetting polymer for improved handling and easier full-scale processing Formulation Percent Function Trade Name Supplier Carbopol EZ-3 - Weight Percent 0.55 - Thickener - Noveon, Inc. DI Water - Weight Percent 23.90 - Diluent Ethanol - Weight Percent 75.00 - Fuel Triisopropanolamine - Weight Percent 0.55 - Neutralizing agent - Dow Chemical 100.00 Procedure 1. Add the Carbopol EZ-3 polymer to the deionized water with no agitation. The polymer will wet out in a few minutes. 2. With moderate agitation, add the ethanol. 3. Heat the triisopropanolamine until melted and add with good agitation. The product will thicken during this step. Increased agitation will be required. Regards Keith See here for information for the use of jelled fuel alcohol: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ We have not done so far any experimental work in this field but surely wish to start soon . Some 100 000 Brazilian Real economy is mad possible to be the gain due to the operation of the one small aeroplane/ year that have been adopted to use ethanolinsecticide applications of big Brazilian soy agribusiness the gain compared to the conventional fuel. Thus big one become very big and small farmer very poor
Re: [Biofuel] Jelled ethanol with charcoal and cellulose
Greeting Larry Dear Larry Think of using the fuel gel made using cellulose powder or wood charcoal carbon powder for making fuel from alcohol . Several important information are available from the old list archives of this group. It is not very clear whether you want use the fuel for distillation of ethanol .Still for what purpose ? See here for information for the use of jelled fuel alcohol: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ We have not done so far any experimental work in this field but surely wish to start soon . Some 100 000 Brazilian Real economy is mad possible to be the gain due to the operation of the one small aeroplane/ year that have been adopted to use ethanolinsecticide applications of big Brazilian soy agribusiness the gain compared to the conventional fuel. Thus big one become very big and small farmer very poor in the globalised economy . But , We are interested to use the ethanol fuel to remote area for cooking using gel and charcoal powder , thus making possible fuel for poor too and this is very costlier too due to transportation in remote area. In Africa , the jelled alcohol fuel has been found to be very successful one as advocated by UN . Any useful information and collaborations in this project are well come as we lost the cashew apple of 500 000 hectare in our small state alone in the north east of Brazil all wasted due to the local market, man power cost and fuel problems as these are all like Forest making food and fuel , but all lost , yet we have poor with out food This natural vitamin products with 100 porcent waste need to very urgently be solved by global and local collaborative work which is our major research work which has Brazilian research council aid .But the problem is very complex to solve . We are open for any new product , process , investment regard to this natural products In this respect we need more novel methods , experience in other country too . Instead of food we too think of jelled ethanol fuel too for sustainability for the local sustainable developments as biomass sustainability project Thanking you Truly Sd Pannir selvam Brasil On 4/25/05, Larry Pickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Greeting to Tom there is one intersting method you can use for dehydrating comercial ethanol using extraction with castor oil. Now adys importing from Brasil is made much simpler than before There si information available about this process here in this list archives. We can help to deign the project as combined oil is found to give better performance for BioD. What I mean is you can first extract pure etanol using caster oil and tehen use this for tranesterification process./ May be Keith may know some one have tried this process. Since our small research group work on novel procee design ,we would like to to have colaborative work in this important field. Since you are nearby country and also Mercsul countries , we can really have BIGBROTHER type colaboration. Thanking you Pannir Selvam Brasil On 4/17/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Sr. Pannir, I'm desperately trying to find a way to use ethanol in my biodiesel process. My difficulty is on several levels. I live in Uruguay which doesn't produce ethanol or at least I haven't found local manufacturers. So I would have to start my own plant or import from your country. Importing is a rather laborous process for the small business person here even with our Mercosur connection. There are generally high duties to be paid on imported materials. I figure I can produce 95% ethanol with cheap crop stubble but getting that last 5% water out is the devil in my processing scheme. I've never had any success whatsoever making BioD with 95% ethanol. I know I shouldn't have bothered but I just had to try a few times. Thick skulls run in my family. Even with pure ethanol the overdose needed to drive the reaction to the product side seems to cause the Glycerine/excess ethanol mixture to become so much less dense it does not settle out. I can evaporate the entire mixture and then get the glycerine to settle out but that's an added process step. How do you folks up north do it both from the small scale ethanol production standpoint and the biodiesel using ethanol production standpoint? One last question, do you have any information on that wonderful oil palm that grows so well in your warmer regions. I was thinking of trying to plant it here to see if it would grow in our somewhat cooler climate. Thanks in advance, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Pannir P.V To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/17/05 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project Hello MH Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the the developing world experience together here. One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale production , the third is environmental problems and the finally appropriate technology for sustainable developments. The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic economic developments to solve the food problems than the states that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal production of food. There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the Small one compete Thea larger one. Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well as small scale production of bioethanol. The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development for environmental benefits has been always taken into account . Thus Brazilian technology are more Brasilian made than imported .thus this model is not only the the biggest biomass fuel programme of the world producing more than 1 billion liter of alcohol. is really the one of the best model too for other follow . The new Brasilian Bio D is expected to be very big too
Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Hello MH Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the the developing world experience together here. One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale production , the third is environmental problems and the finally appropriate technology for sustainable developments. The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic economic developments to solve the food problems than the states that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal production of food. There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the Small one compete Thea larger one. Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well as small scale production of bioethanol. The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development for environmental benefits has been always taken into account . Thus Brazilian technology are more Brasilian made than imported .thus this model is not only the the biggest biomass fuel programme of the world producing more than 1 billion liter of alcohol. is really the one of the best model too for other follow . The new Brasilian Bio D is expected to be very big too where the poor .landless , small farmer and all are expecting Brasil help the world the energy crysis by large scale export and correctly pointed by The Brasilian president Lula de Silva that we , Brasilian can make to stop the war in the world by the the Bio D programme as the country is blessed with the best land and water needed. Why export soyabeans for other make Bio D , better Brasilian do the same , stop the world war . Surely North America can also do as the south. Thus Americas future depend on the biofuel , alone are united there is a great green future for biofuel. Pease fell free to contact us the brasilian , as we all have the wise to share our rich exeperiences , not to repeat the several misatakes already done by our goverment , big industrial people and the big petroleium companies to put afuul stop to end the bioethanol programme.But yet it is most alive , but lession learned are many. Thanking all yours truely sd Pannir selvam Brasil. On 4/17/05, MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Morris is vice president of the Minneapolis-based Institute for Local Self-Reliance. THE FUTURE OF ETHANOL David Morris April 16, 2005 http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5351029.html Want to see the potential of biofuels? Visit Brazil, as I did a few weeks ago. In Brazil, by law, all gasoline contains a minimum of 25 percent alcohol. Yet ethanol is so popular it actually accounts for 40 percent of all vehicle fuel. By 2007, 100 percent of all new Brazilian cars may be able to run on 100 percent ethanol. Brazilian sugar-cane-fed biorefineries will be capable of producing sufficient ethanol to allow the entire fleet, new and old cars alike, to do so. In Brazil, ethanol is now being used in aviation. Small planes, like crop dusters, are switching to ethanol because it is a superior fuel and is more widely available, even in remote parts of the country, than conventional aviation fuel. Its stunning success with ethanol has encouraged Brazil to begin displacing diesel fuel with vegetable oils from its vast soybean crop. Within 15 years it expects to substitute biodiesel for 20 percent of its conventional diesel. One more detail. Back in the mid 1990s, Brazil ended its ethanol subsidies. Nevertheless, with world oil prices hovering around $55 a barrel, the price of ethanol today is only half that of gasoline. Since its inception, Brazil's ethanol program has displaced imported oil worth $120 billion. This is comparable to a savings of almost $2
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel from wood/biomass
Very interesting biomass project which has geen future ./ Biomass production can create rural jobs sd Pannir On 4/15/05, Sam Critchley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The readers of both lists might be interested in this (which I don't think I'd seen until I read an article in the FAZ this morning: http://www.faz.net/s/Rub9E75B460C0744F8695B3E0BE5A30A620/Doc~E8F0A7144F0C349C8B1D941C61809617E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html Choren has got a process running which extracts biodiesel (well, a biodiesel-type fuel) directly from woody biomass. Thanks, Sam -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar
On Apr 6, 2005 1:20 AM, Leslie Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interested in your process, in N.A. applications. How can details of purchase / plans be accessed? - Les. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar From: Robert Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:12:35 +0700 Subject: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar PART 2 (this message has been cut to conform to the file size requirements of the listserv) Production This system uses starchy or sugary material as feedstock. 1kg of sugar or starch yields about 400 litres of methane, within a period of 6 to 8 hours. This quantity is enough for cooking one meal for 5 to 6 persons. The biogas produced by this system contains theoretically about equal volumes of carbondioxide and methane, but in reality, it turned out to have less than 5% carbondioxide. This phenomenon is explained by the fact that carbon dioxide dissolves in the water in the fermenter vessel and diffuses out of it through the 1 cm gap between the fermenter and the gas holder. We are getting about 250 g of methane per kg of flour. The values are approximations based on the volume of the gas and the crude analysis that was done in a chemistry lab. We are making arrangements with a government certified analytical lab for getting both the gas and the slurry analysed, and hope to come out with more reliable figures. The grain flour contains almost 10% protein and about half a percent of seed coat material, along with small quantities of fat in the embryo. Mr. Malar wanted to know the production potential of oilcake to methane. The biodigester working on oilcake of Madhuka indica actually uses 30 to 32 kg of oilcake (and not 16) to produce about 15 cubic meters of methane. The time taken by this reaction is just 24 hours. The weight of methane produced would be about 5.5 kg, having a clorific value of roughly 10,000 KCal/kg. [ From Nandu] Because of the residual oil and the high protein content of the oilcake, its calorific value is much greater than that of starch from cereal grains, rhizomes or tubers. As a result, this particular system is 1600 times as efficient as the conventional biogas plants. Another person, with whom we are collaborating, has a biogas plant producing daily 40 cubic meters of gas. He used to feed it daily with 1000kg dung, but now he is using daily a mixture of 200 kg cattle dung and 15 kg sorghum grain flour. He is reluctant to switch over completely to sorghum, as he feels that the bacteria may go on strike if they did not get their daily dose of dung. In his case, he replaces 800 kg dung by 15 kg flour and reduces the reaction time from 40 days to one day. He thus gets an efficiency that is 2000 times that of the traditional system. In the moving dome reactors that we use, the gas holder telescopes into the fermenter. Therefore, the total volume of the system is twice that of the volume of the gas that you expect to get from it. Starch, sugar, powdered oilcake, grain flour or powdered seed of any plant, take about the same time to digest and also produce the same amount of gas. It is likely that our high methane content is a result of a reaction 4H2 + CO2 = CH4 + 2H2O. Because very little work has been done by scientists on use of high calorie feedstocks, there is quite a lot of speculation about the high methane content that we are getting. Under our temperature and pressure, 1 cubic meter of biogas produced by a typical dung based biogas plant (50% each of CO2 and CH4) weighs about a kg. CH4 is about a third as heavy as CO2., therefore, in this case, 500 litres of CH4 would weigh about 250 g and the remaining 500 litres of CO2 would weigh about 750 g. I our case, we get almost pure methane, and it takes about 1 kg of flour to produce 500 litres of it. Therefore we came to the conclusion that our biogas plant gives 250 g of methane per kg of feedstock. We haven't found much difference in different species of grain I wish to correct the figures of oilcake used and biogas generated. It takes daily about 30 kg oilcake to produce 15 cubic meters of gas. But this gas consists of almost pure methane. It is not a case of co-generation, but direct fermentation. Cattle dung was used only initially as a source of bacteria, but for more than a month, they are using only oilcake. I had never heard of the digestion accelerator, but would love to have it, if it is genuine. In any case, our biogas plant uses waste starch or sugar in any form. Thus spoilt bananas, oilcake of nonedible oilseed (e.g.castor or Jatropha), mango
Re: [Biofuel] The need for Gmail invitation
Thank you for bringing the other side view about the big company.As our university has not the resourec as well as for the same service the MSN and yahoo eventough little for the south people all is very hard to have. The spam problem are well handled in google. Yahoo e mail used to put all my e mail in waste box. I agree with you as anything with out any real need is an waste and also that we here all need be very careful not to store personel and important material in private company hard disc. sd P.V.Pannirselvam On Apr 4, 2005 5:48 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pannirselvam Hello Keith and all our list members Gmail is going to increase from 1 Mega To 2 Mega , as I have alot of invitation to be sent , Most of our list members are welcome as our e mail list is very big one . Please kindly inform if any one really need as gmail help us too There are some concerns about gmail. I think it's as well to be aware of them. See: http://www.google-watch.org/ Google Watch http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html Gmail is too creepy http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm BBC NEWS | Business | Google's Gmail sparks privacy row 5 April, 2004 http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm Thirty-One Privacy and Civil Liberties Organizations Urge Google to Suspent Gmail http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62917,00.html Wired News: Free E-Mail With a Steep Price? Regards Keith Thanking all sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar
On Apr 6, 2005 5:28 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interested in your process, in N.A. applications. How can details of purchase / plans be accessed? - Les. It's a forward from another list, as it says. You'll find Dr Karve's address at the beginning of Part 1. He's in Inida. Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar From: Robert Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:12:35 +0700 Subject: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar PART 2 (this message has been cut to conform to the file size requirements of the listserv) snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hello Tom , Mike e Keith The methanol production from saw dust need to done via thermochemical route , require much energy input , as no bacteria yet commercially can make methanol where as ethanol production via reusable enzymes require low energy input. What Mike refer is the very old process which was commercially practised in Russia to produce feed yeast using acid hydrolysis process to make sugar from cellulose Any one know about the yield of methanol from biomass waste ? The ethanol yield from cellulose can be 100 percent as theoretical yeil is 110 percents. The biotechnology can make possible the big company making celluosic enzymes, make possible also enzymatic hydrolysis the small farmer making ethanol in back yard. This research was my PHd thesis , which I have fined in 1983 in IIT Delhi and I am sure this process can make viable the biomass refinary for poor and rich countries. For every 3 day billion dollar go outside USA to import petrol . Only 1 porcent of this money spent for biorefinery can solve not only USA , but also the developing country. Making methanol via petro chemical route in big refinery is making the cost make it competitive in relation with ethanol. The methanol is known as wood alcohol as it was traditionally obtained from destructive distillation .The modern method involve catalytic synthesis from wood gas. This two step process can be carried out in a small scale as the traditional high pressure is now a days replaced by the low pressure process as already published in this list. I agree with Keith view here that Methanol can be made in small scale too with care and using pyrolysis as here the yield is not a matter as we do get several useful byproducts.The bio oil as the byproduct can also make this process very useful to farmer as this has pr oven to be an natural pesticide and good food preservatives. In Japan bio oil made flue gas from wood are used very much as food additives..Here too this can be more dangerous than methanol Surely new comer to the list need to first consult the old list first and thus can learn a lot before posting to the list. Here we need to make the network bringing new information and practical data so that our list member can help each other to solve real problems. Making methanol from cellulose is not yet mature one as one of Bio D for small scale , but can be made possible sd Pannir selvam On Apr 3, 2005 4:21 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom and Kieth, I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tom As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith
[Biofuel] The need for Gmail invitation
Hello Keith and all our list members Gmail is going to increase from 1 Mega To 2 Mega , as I have alot of invitation to be sent , Most of our list members are welcome as our e mail list is very big one . Please kindly inform if any one really need as gmail help us too Thanking all sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Helow All Fransico Well we in north east of Brasil. A lot of castor oil is produces here and other place , but the e first time we hear the odour problems which can be esily solved You can solve the problem using different hot and cold extraction process which are under development very seriously in Brasil As we are in Brasil we can surley join with Irwin in the biofilter design as we do have posgraduate programme In Chemical engineering dept UFRN, Natal to do the same. The price of the castor oil sold for the petro chemical companies are very high compared to heating. It is better you find a alternate energy such as used vegetabale oil and make Biofuel for Motor . As we are in Brazil we can jointly work to solve our problem . sd Pannirselvam P.V On Apr 1, 2005 5:04 PM, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty of water. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: FRANCISCO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil Hy!!! need help form the group We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
Keith wish you happy recovery to come back here , make this list much dynamic.There is need for your reply of many post here sd Pannirselvam Brasil On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:47:49 -0700, Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, it feels decidedly odd without your input on the list. Take very good care of yourself. Have a gentle and speedy recovery, so that you can come back very soon to participate in your biofuel community. Best regards, Joanne - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith? I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close enough and who could inform us about what is happening. I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and worried. Hakan At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: i was wondering too. --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time. I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts sent his way for those not so inclined. Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea My thoughts are with him, and I miss his contributions :-( -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?
Dear Micheal Several research have been carried out to mix Ethanol/Diesel , but not yet come well come to comercial scale. See the previous post here in this group to make microemulsion of ethanol and additives which need to be pure , not hydrated. With suitable additives which are very effective had been known , but are very costlier and biodeisel can be an additive to make possible the use ethanol to increase cetane number as reported in some patents , but only upto maximium 10 porcent. Several useful links can be seen in the old list of our group here as follows. Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. But, I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting combustion. Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I hope) it's not a serious concern. MikeR --- Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I was looking at the feasibility of adding a hybrid Ethanol injection system to An old Diesel VW rabbit. Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an unmodified Diesel engine and run properly ? I was considering a CSI injection system into the manifold just before the intake valves. These are readily available at the auto Wreakers and easily controllable. I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it would allow higher Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel at start and idle then increase the Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power is high. Thanks M ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Helo Ken,Chris and Chuk We all the members are surely thankful for the bold step of moving the our list to the present one especially Keith and Martin from yahoo as this forum, provides valuable information for all of us, especailly the people from the south side of the world , without the commercial necessities saving all our valuable time . sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:59:11 -0500, Ken Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did what I could with what I had at my disposal Is that not what the JTF site is all about , I have improved my life just by reading about the problems others have conquered . I've made my share of mistakes and gone on with it .I wouldn't have dreamed about making my fuel without your help. Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Helow Martins we have not noticed any problems sd pannir On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:38:06 -0500, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto. - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list ??? What problems? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 20:18 Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I did what I could with what I had at my disposal (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 3/8/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hello Martin We are from north east of Brasil, very less deveoped area. Keep your good work Martin. Go ahead dont mind sd Pannirselvam PV On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:19:56 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! Don't sweat it! I think everyone agrees that this forum will stay cohesive because of the passion and conviction of its members. If indeed, a mistake was made with how it is structured or organized, I think that it is seen by many of us as a break from the conventional and an attempt at improvement. So, the intention being a good one, I doubt people will lose interest. Keep up the good work! We all depend on you (no pressure)! :-) Mike Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Martin. I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to my destop computer all working hours. I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Pilar - Paraguay South America -Mensaje original- From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM For: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I did what I could with what I had at my disposal (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: [Biofuel] Is Methane Production in Urban conditions possible?
Helo Bioteo There are several good problems regarding aplication of Bates methods that need a good engineering work. Our small research group wish that our biofuel members can learn and solve the problems one by one , but need time and effort as your case Some data are available on food waste to fuel from DOE , USA, Baba atomic research center(BARC) , India .To acess this you can use google scholar. Food wastes need animal waste too , also a pretreatment process some milling , hydrolysis and solubilization.You can achive this by using a part of recycled efluents.Using solar energy at 50 C was sucessfuly done by BARC and thus the enzymatic hydrolysis is made possible as well as parcial sterization . Then you can use Indian , chinese , plastic plug flow bioreactor to produce methane . Instead of storage using compressor ,storgae in tyre can be achied and also a concrete tanks coverd with reinforced fiber glass tanks. can be also done . The Chines type simple closed tank bioreactor can be also used for running the motor. Here in Brasil some farmer has sucessfuly stored the biogas doing some more reinforcements to fiber glass and also made posssible compression using stones on the tank, simple less costlier as there is no power consumption for compresion Using activated carbon in the storage tank . low pressure compressor can be used to achieve high pressure as you wish and this method is still under experimental phase . Very high pressure is not needed and hence no problem in biogas storage, as the the motor can do the compression In several country europe , usa , India , china ic engine are operated without the use of compressor. The use of compressor is very good if you can have very large plug flow plastic biodigestor to make the agitation by recirculating the biogas. Morever horizantal low pressure tanks can be an economical option using compressor to be used as storage tank before combustion in IC .Care should be taken to remove the H2S in the biogas before storge Thus expert knowelge and engineering consultancy are needed so that your project will have sucess. Several good case study are avaialbale in internet that can be the starting point and also do read again http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Feel free to contact us and go ahead solving the problems Wish you best sucess On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:38:50 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In urban conditions I obviously dont have too much access to dung. But what i do have access to is an university canteen. Lots of food wasted there. Has anydbody porducede methane form food scraps? I could collect from there. And put in to the digester. Has anybody done this? How should i porceed? Get the scrap food, mush it up with a little with water. Add a little dung, humand dung, after allthe food was prepared for humans. And then wait? Iexpect it hould get good yields since it has a laot of protein in it. I read the article on beates chicken car but what i dont understand about it was how did he sotre the methane in his car. Obviously it was in constant production mode. So he either had a very strong digester where the pressure would buildup or he had a very large digester or gas collector. Another option is that he did very short trips. I have experience in binding plastic sheets with a special welding machine. The first thing that came in to my mind whe i read about digesters was to make one very long and flexible one like intestines. That way I could control the folw manually by pushing if necessary. The problem im thinkin of at the moment is storing the gas in the car. Does anybody know to which pressure i can inflate the inner tire of a lorry? I think that it should have atleast 100L of volume, and with pressure i would expand a little but if it can hold pressures up to 6-7 atm (with its volume expanding to 300L or so) then it would be just enough for a round trip to work and back. I calculated that the equivalent of one gallon of gasoline is 7,8m3 of methane. A 15L diving bottle compressed at 100 bars could only hold 1500L = 1.5 m3 so i would need like 4, and that would start ghettin expensive because of the necessary regulators. And most importantly i dont have a compressor that can compress to 100 bars. And putting fridge compressors would work but that mabn become risky at such high pressures. With the tire i could have the same amount in a single container without the need for regualtors. I could use several tires(one in the back seat etc) to expand the range... this seems like the only feasible solution at the moment. Thanks Teoman
Re: [Biofuel] Methane producing plant in Mongolia
Use search of google scholar and google you will get a a lot of information. sd Pannir selvam On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:22:03 +0800, Davaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Panni, Thakns for your message. Could you send some links about the heating of reactor. Thanks Davaa - Original Message - From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methane producing plant in Mongolia Helo Davaa Welcome here for this group. Very good work are available from USA internet about the heating your bioreactor. Solar heating or the heat from the biogas combustion can be reused. Here in south of the Brasil , biodigestor do work in low tempertaure with lossin production .But can work . In summer you can protect the reactor too. Even in extreme climate change in Europe , USA , the biogas production is possible , but need apropriate measures. sd Pannirselvam Brasil On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:42:33 +0800, Davaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I have just joined the mailing list. I look forward to learning a lot from your community. My name is Davaa from Mongolia. My brother and myself have a farm with 24 cows nearby capital city Ulaanbaatar. I was searching web sites to find usefull information for improving the efficiency of the farm. I found lot of information about biogas plant, including the paper regarding the Construction for GGS 2047 Model Biogas Plant. This is very informative and usefull reference for myself. I'm evaluating whether to build similar biogas plant here in Mongolia or not. The basic problem here is the temperature extreme range. During summer reaches +35 centigrade during the day and +15 during night. During winter most of days minus 26 centigrade during day and -40 centigrade during night. Is some have an experience building biogas plant in a similar climat? Look forward to hearing. Best regards, G. Davaa Mongolia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is Methane Production in Urban conditions possible?
Helo Teoman Surley all soilid wastes can be sucessfully transformed in biomethane.Very good methods from Bates chicken car experiences avalible can be used for any solid wastes Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htm Also french Biomass King work is also more relevant for you. We are involved in the new process developments to do acelerated aerbic composting via biomass seperation and recycling . Yet this is in experimental stage to reduce the composting time from months into 10 days and inolve mixed bacterial and fungi biological catalysts Thus you need to combine two process as per the method of Bate: first the making waste solid residues into parcial composting , then uso this compostied material with animal wastes in anerabic biodigesters..Thus your can be run the car using this compresed biogas . We are also considering the use of hydrated fuel ethanol and gasoline to use together with biogas due to its higher Co2 , thus making higher fuel efficiency internal combustiom motor more efficient and fexivel and competitive. You need also some filters (ironsponge) to remove the hydrogen sulfide . The whole process need some habilitation from engineerig side . Thus your project on the waste into fuel has good green future .Go ahead you can wn l all the problems with our biofuel group members help but also good to have some engineering person involved. sd Pannirselvam Brasill sd Pannirslvam On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:48:33 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone produce methane in urban conditions? Can i produce enough methane to run my car? How large a processor would i need and what could i feed it with? Old newspapers and food scraps and grass once in a while from the appartments garden... For the car im thinking of large tank that i will use 2 or three fridge compressors in series to compress the gas to about 40 atm. Thanks Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane producing plant in Mongolia
Helo Davaa Welcome here for this group. Very good work are available from USA internet about the heating your bioreactor. Solar heating or the heat from the biogas combustion can be reused. Here in south of the Brasil , biodigestor do work in low tempertaure with lossin production .But can work . In summer you can protect the reactor too. Even in extreme climate change in Europe , USA , the biogas production is possible , but need apropriate measures. sd Pannirselvam Brasil On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:42:33 +0800, Davaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I have just joined the mailing list. I look forward to learning a lot from your community. My name is Davaa from Mongolia. My brother and myself have a farm with 24 cows nearby capital city Ulaanbaatar. I was searching web sites to find usefull information for improving the efficiency of the farm. I found lot of information about biogas plant, including the paper regarding the Construction for GGS 2047 Model Biogas Plant. This is very informative and usefull reference for myself. I'm evaluating whether to build similar biogas plant here in Mongolia or not. The basic problem here is the temperature extreme range. During summer reaches +35 centigrade during the day and +15 during night. During winter most of days minus 26 centigrade during day and -40 centigrade during night. Is some have an experience building biogas plant in a similar climat? Look forward to hearing. Best regards, G. Davaa Mongolia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests
Biomass of wood are the rich the source of briqueted charcoal, Bio oil and wood gas . this is a rich source of biofuels.Even the leves can be used for biogas and fertilizer production . This energy conservation need to done sustainable ways sd Pannirselvam On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:21:47 -0800 (PST), Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This topic is of special interest to me. But I'm not clear on some things. What do you do when you start with a naturally occuring forest which has no tree species of any value? In other words, any valuable trees like teak have been cut long ago. Nearly all large trees have been cut. Lot's of small trees to 30 cm base diameter. Do you try to utilize these or not? Do you plant desired species? How do you do this? Do you just plant seedlings in the underbrush and hope they grow? On JTF there is talk of grafting? Is that part of the method? Could you summarize the essential points here? Lot's of info directed at convincing someone that tree crops are good thing, but then a shortage of info on what exactly to do about it. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Social technolgy and social netwoking :The road map of the sucess story
Hello Keith and our beloved members Our small research group needs to elaborate a project proposal to submit to one of the biggest Media group in Brasil.Even though, we are involved in the biofuel and biomass energy project , we are not able to have the road map for this project. Any help in this regard of any information will be highly appreciated. What we find in the Internet about social networking are getting the people (younger) together to make good friendship, which is made possible by google new project in this field of social networking. However what we need are how to make networking to include the poor and also how to community based networking for village and local development. Keith as man of the media with very long experience , as we all do in this list are doing networking too can surely help us to make this road map as well as the hardware and software needed.Can free call center can be used to make this social networking for community developments.New ideas , thinking are very welcome. Thanking you Yours truly Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Conversion of Diesel Engine for wood and biogas
See below http://www.iitd.ac.in/cgi-bin/nph-p/http/10.116.2.57/tech/details.asp?id=207 Conversion of Diesel Engine Into Spark Ignition Operation Contact Sengupta IIT delhi for producer gas can also work for biogas developed by: Subrahmanyam J P Dr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gaur R R Professor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department/Centre Mechanical Engineering Mechanical Engineering Description: Kit for converting a diesel engine into spark ignition mode. Abstract: The aim of this project work is to provide a kit to convert a 18 hp Eicher make diesel engine to operate on producer gas in the spark ignition mode. The single cylinder air cooled engine was accordingly converted to operate on producer gas. A complete set of instructions regarding the design and selection of the various components like gasifier, gas carburetor, governor control mechanism, ignition system and reduction of compression ratio have also been provided. Special Features: Consists of electrical ignition system; reduction in compression ratio; Prospective Users: Automotive, Rural Keywords: Spark ignition, compression ratio, kit Type of Technology: Product Status of IPR Protection: None 1 For further informatiom, Please contact directly the faculty member/inventor under intimation to Managing Director, FITT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] MB Brasil and Patent
Hi Adrian The USP ,Riberao preto Dr Prof. Dr. Miguel J. Dabdoubhas developed new process for using ethanol for BioD based on eletromagnetic radiation.It is true that some private company related with the Big Alcohol making firm in Brasil are involved to get this process using his graduate students and MB Brasil are indirectly suported by this private company. Keith here has already reported abou this company work on the ethanol p It is true that BioD in Brasil had made some unpleasentfight based on the intectual property which came into public when I was attending Brazilian congress on castor oil in Campina Grandi in NE . The young one from MB Brasil , as I met and understand are also dedicated people to the BioD as that of the Prof Dr.Migual. They are telling that their process is diferent than his professor and they do seriously go ahead with the help of the Industrial people. The real problem is the way big coporate Company role against the USP laboratory using the young one. I am not very sure about this role. We are basically working on the system design for enegy from biomass . sd Pannir On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:26:43 -0300, Adrian CM Van Deusen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brasileiros- Please tell me if MB Brasil was involved in that unpleasant scene last year in which intelectual properties were stolen and death threats were made from inside the So Paulo gestation program. I want to make the proper connections and the MB newsletter is strong, but that doesn't mean it is ethical. I certainly hope so! Adrian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Uses of glycerin and energy integration
Helo Greeting to all members Very good news from Pals to make the gas and liquid biofuel in an integrated way. There are many published papers abou the enhanced production of biogas from oily wastes and hence glycerine is an good intermediate metabolite and hence the results agree with theory.But here too we need mixed microbial populatio to work wll and need a lot of adoption time for the same , otherwise one may totally fail to produce gas There are two routes the bioconversion and thermo conversion to get energy from waste of the BioD making process. The combined Biogas generation , make me believe better than combustion, using the correct mixture of proteins and glycerine and salt need to be carefuly solved by the practical work . thus the samll biorefinary making biogas , bioD , Protein feed , liquid fertilizer can make the whole process much more flexible and more energy eficiente via integrated process. The CO2 removal using activated carbon and ammonia liquid as the co products can lead to the slow release fertilizer can furthermake this project more ecological The heated and vaporized method of use of the ethanol and BioD fuel together with biogas make the low cost IC engine more reality and more energy eficient for the rural area in the SOUTH. Thus the biomass refinary can be made possible to make energy and protein from Biomass Our biofuel members has the knowlede to jointly develope this small biomass refinary concept first.Yet practical optimized design need to be done and some comunity should com forward to test and improve this integrated design. Let us all join hand and make this as simple and easy to make this biorefinary that can be run in villages. Anaerobic Biodigestion is the correct way than other way to make much fuel. sd Pannirselvam On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:34:25 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear pals: the digester where glycerin is feed is it an aerobious(works in presence of air) digester or an anaerobious(works without air presence) digester?. What is the glycerin feed rate to the digester?. Thanks in advance, Francisco - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Uses of glycerin Forwarded message from a Journey to Forever reader. Best wishes Keith Hello, I work at a wastewater treatment plant and I was doing a search on glycerin and biofuels and came across your website. It's has good information thanks. Here's another use of glycerin: Our treatment is accepting the glycerin from a biofuel producer, we feed it to our digesters, slowly very slowly. The addition of glycerin has dramatically increased our gas production, that we run all three engines that produce electricity for our plant and occasionally need to flare off the excess methane (we have 4 flares). This might be of interest to your readers that use digestion for electricity. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia and Ruralization
Kim Greetings All the overcrowed urban , the place in MEGA City become much expensive, ecologically destructive , the under developed suburban areas having less people.These suburban place around the city can be used make food, fuel , feed needed for the urban city. But the same model for the urban developments of destroying the lands are also used in all the places , no employments , no local work , no local industry as importation is made easy than local production It is true that that any 'new urbanism' is not going to be a improvement , but decentralized Ruralized suburban can really make the urban areas sustainable and a lot of the improvements. For this we need to have peoples power in the hands of the people who love the place and democracy and suburban people to make the place more productive , by local production and sharing.The global economy need not be allowed to kill the local development and local economy .The combined fuel and food production done locally and sharing the products are still practised in sevral urban areas. The local small city local economy in Brasil is not yet destroyed by global economy , thussaving and serving the poor and middle class people via week end free , street open markets in rural ares , still in urban areas too. It is very hard to believe how this can survive together with the globalised super market closed marketing system .The end of this ruralized economy in urban areas is the reason for the increased violence , terror and all need to pay very hard to have the balance. Thanking you Yours Pannirselvam On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:22:29 -0800 (PST), Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall my daughter researching cow gestation. I think there is a 3 week spread between the breeds. Kirk --- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I live in the middle of nowhere and yes, we do see this all the time. No one walks anywhere, no bicycles, very few motorcycles. They drive 25 miles to the city daily for whatever, even if they do not work. Many who live here drive 150+ miles a day to work and back. Me, I go to town once a week, in my Volks TDI. I did look at getting a motorcycle, but the animal feed ect. just doesn't fit. Eventually we hope to lower the amount we are spending off farm, but it takes time and effort to build the place, improve the soil and keep everything done. Being self sufficient is really hard to set up. For example, right now I have to buy milk and milk products because my cow is almost 2 weeks overdue to have her calf. I did have some milk in the freezer, but we ran out. Mother Nature makes this lifestyle an art, not a science. I have read books like 5 acres and independence, but they obviously did not have a Jersey cow. The biggest problem I have found it that local economy is so expensive. They expect you to pay dearly for the privilege of buying locally, to the tune of double what I can pay 25 miles away. Worse than that, the local produce store carries Californian oranges, not the Texas or Louisiana oranges that I get a Walmart. [I am in east Texas] We have nothing produced locally that is sold locally. The high gas prices have had little effect on the lifestyle. Most people who have moved here from the city have no interest in doing for themselves. Less than 10% of the homes have gardens, and this in a place where gardening year round is easy. The reality of today makes it hard to believe that any 'new urbanism' is going to be an improvement. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote: I think the reason the film spoke of new urbanism as one possible result (not solution) is that a possible trouble with moving further out is that unless you can provide all of your own goods/services (which most can not), the increased distance will require MORE not less transportation (and hence more energy). High density living facilitates a reduction/concentration of transportation, and also enables the use of higher efficiency transportation methods (mass transit for individuals, trains for goods, etc). _ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel
[Biofuel] INOVATIVE CLEAN TECHNOLOGY FROM BIOMASS WASTE FOR DAIRY
Gretings to all Here is the summary of our work for the the integrated rural energy form Biomass. Any new informations and sugestions are welcome .Feel free to get the complete paper which is yet to be published. PROJECT DEVELOPMENT OF CO PRODUCTION OF HOT AND COLD THERMAL ENERGY FOR SMALL DAIRY PLANT USING INOVATIVE CLEAN TECHNOLOGY FROM BIOMASS WASTE Pannirselvam P.V.* Mattei G.** Simoni S.** Santiago B. H. S.* Fernandes M. R.P.* * - Departamento de Engenharia Qumica e enghenaria de material /CT Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte Ncleo de Tecnologia Grupo de pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos e Processos GPEC; Natal-RN.Brasil. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; www.ufrnet.br/biocombustivel - www.gpechp.cjb.net ** - CIRPS Centro Interuniversitario di Ricerca per lo Sviluppo Sostenibile Universit La Sapienza di Roma - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.cirps.it Several problems are encountered to make possible to obtain the energy for the process plant that can make capable the viable small scale milk processing plant. The use of the energy from conventional fuel is one of the main factors for the rise in the cost of the product. The use of alternative sources of energy tends to diminish the cost of the process. In this context, this project using energy integrated system for the milk production using small scale energy generation from biomass wastes are the purpose of this study. The main objective of this project is to develop a new process synthesis for use of the residual biomass of the animal in a dairy farm for the energy production applied to the milk processing plant with co-production of hot, cold thermal energy using biogas and wood gas from solid wood biomass wastes and animal wastes. Our project using residual biomass produces energy from this biomass via pyrolysis, gasification and biodigestion. After carried out the bibliographical research about the current state of art technology of the production of energy based on the residual animal and vegetable biomass, mostly lignocelluloses, thermo conversion processes, reactor, and bioconversion, an engineering projects had been developed with the use of the software Super Pro Designer V 4.9. Some simulations of processes of the fast pyrolysis, gasification, biodigestion, generation of energy have been realized including system integration of energy production as innovation of the present work. From this study, three scenes have been developed: one, the current process of conventional energy using boiler and the other one with using combined pyrolysis and gasification , and the last one with biogestion for combined power , heat and chilling .These three project were studied in detail using dynamic process models. The results about project investment and the cost analysis , economic viability and cash balance using software Orc2004 were obtained. A new design is obtained to recover the energy from biogas and the purified biogas is used to rum Internal combustion engine where the out put lost energy is recovered via heat pump to make available thermal energy not only for the processing of the milk but also to make the ice ,hotwater , liquid fertilizers..Several techno-economic parameters of the selected scenes have been compared and analyzed, where an better income of energy and materials utilization were observed in relation to conventional process. This project which is still in development phase involves small scale integrated system in such a way that allows the sustainable milk production and clean technology with significant improvement of the economy and energy from dairy wastes KEYS-WORDS: Gasification.Biogas, Clean Technology ,Dairy, milk processing -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] let us all have touch
Helo , dear Adrian ( que bom ver aqui , gente de nossa terra Brasil) Thank you very much to join in this group Very glad your particpation in biofuel group . Plaese see http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ You can see about some of my biofuel related work. I am Briefly giving here short note about my work. After sucessfully finishing my Phd work in India (IIT D) on ethanol fuel from Biomass using low temperature etanol sovent catalytic process for seperation of lignin and enzimatic hydrolysis work , I was invited to Brasil by the BIOD famous person Prof Expedito Parente who has patent on KEROSENE and ProBIOD in seveties , I was involved in the BIOFUel for the past 20 years to make biomass fuel reality and prsently working in UFRN , Natal city and RN state. Here in this group , I am changing from chemical and bio chemical engineering into ecological system engineering. You are very welcome here. Eventhough Brasil is big country , only very few peole from Brasil are here . Surely we need to amke much people from Brasil as the bigest biomass and biofuel programe of the world are with in opur land and we need to help the other too follow us as we have all passed all the problems the other country are facing now regard etanol biofuel . We have small ecological enegineering design research team .See our work here www.gpec.cjb.net http://biocombustivel.incubadora.fapesp.br/portal Very soon here I am preparing put the small sumary of my wok on the energy from biomass project related to dairy wastes as well shrimp production wastes. Making fuel from waste is the subject I like very much and here Plaese feel here you will learn a lot as we have so many biofuel members from several countries , all very kind and good peoples Vamos trabalhar juntos , podemos colaborar sim sd On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:35:06 -0300, Adrian CM Van Deusen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, I just entered this list, and reading the archives, was very enthused by a post made by Pannirselvam last august. A short quote from that message: We are open to have colaborations to all who want to make powerful the poor to have the fuel and food , not the the large scale biofuel model. That's it! I'm living and working in Bahia, and have a fairly well articulated business plan for a BD cooperative that makes use of undervalued crops of the Chapada Diamantina region, interplanting with the BD cash crops and keeping ourselves small by selling our final product to ONLY Eco-Tourism vehicles. There is alot of ciencia that I'm still needing to make my plan a reality. But the local government and people are really hopeful that I can pull it all together. Please Pannirselvam, if you read this,tell me what you are doing so I can learn more and share. Thanks, Adrian Machado Biofeedback Tecnologia ao Servio da Conscincia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The People's Business and Very big is very Bad
Helo Keith This topic is the most relevant as only the the people power, thus naturally true democracy, when channelled to the environmental protection of the place where the people live and depend the appropriate small scale ecotecnolgy , biorefinary will be the road map for the globalised Village and surely the Corporate control and participation to this model need to be done as this uncontrolled power can the real world problem now and near future leading to corruptions and bad politics and hence no democracy. This control can be as difficult as the relation between the powerful civilized man (the white and black) and the tribal native red Indians , the Big and the small village , seem to be impossible , but need to have their place and control too on the both the side With globalized weblog , webfotolog , opensoure new collaborative information data bases such as our biofuel , there is an surely role for the people too controle the the bad effects of the very big blues. I have seen how these powerful tools too are also serving for the big ones unlike ours. Regarding alcohol water stove , I have requested the author as you had pointed out to send the reply in public here about the compression and regulation. Let us see and expect his reply as his site.is an ONG follower of Gandhian Values and Principles . Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:15:15 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Controlling Corporations Corporations aren't bad per se. But when corporations reach the size that they have reached today, they begin to overwhelm the political institutions that can keep them in check. Reckless capitalism undermines democracy. Nowhere is this more clear than in George W. Bush's administration. To push government to assume its rightful role as regulator, people need to engage as citizens-not just consumers or investors. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1971/ February 18, 2005 The People's Business Controlling corporations and restoring democracy By Lee Drutman and Charlie Cray One does not have to look far in Washington these days to find evidence that government policy is being crafted with America's biggest corporations in mind. For example, the Bush administration's 2006 budget cuts the enforcement budgets of almost all the major regulatory agencies. If the gutting of the ergonomics rule, power plant emissions standards and drug safety programs was not already enough evidence that OSHA, EPA and FDA are deeply compromised, the slashing of their enforcement budgets presents the possibility-indeed, probability-that these public agencies will become captives of the private corporations they are supposed to regulate. This should come as no surprise to anybody familiar with the streams of corporate money that flowed into Bush campaign coffers (as well as the Kerry campaign and all races for the House and Senate) in the 2004 election. The old follow the money adage leads us to a democracy in thrall to giant corporations-a democracy that is a far cry from the government of the people, by the people, and for the people that Lincoln hailed at Gettysburg. At a time when our democracy appears to be so thoroughly under the sway of large corporations, it is tempting to give up on politics. We must resist this temptation. Democracy offers the best solution to challenging corporate power. We must engage as citizens, not just as consumers or investors angling for a share of President Bush's ownership society. The problem of corporate power Unfortunately, the destructive power of large corporations today is not limited to the political sphere. The increasing domination of corporations over virtually every dimension of our lives-economic, political, cultural, even spiritual-poses a fundamental threat to the well-being of our society. Corporations have fostered a polarization of wealth that has undermined our faith in a shared sense of prosperity. A corporate-driven consumer culture has led millions of Americans into personal debt, and alienated millions more by convincing them that the only path to happiness is through the purchase and consumption of ever-increasing quantities of material goods. The damage to the earth's life-supporting systems caused by the accelerating extraction of natural resources and the continued production, use, and disposal of life-threatening chemicals and greenhouse gases is huge and, in some respects, irreversible. Today's giant corporations spend billions of dollars a year to project a positive, friendly and caring image, promoting themselves as responsible citizens and good neighbors. They have large marketing budgets and public relations experts skilled at neutralizing their critics and diverting attention from any controversy. By
Re: [Biofuel] Slum Politics and Ruralization of urban areas
Hello Keith There is very similar sad story too see this in TV and news paper too here in Brazil as they are in south , not in the west and north . Recently the good houses of the one of the very big soybean growing city called Goiania near the capital city of Brasil , Brasilia the same story has happened. The sad story here not the slum politics as the fight between the military police and the illegal house owner , had led to the death of 2 persons but every where all the same tsunami as these people live like the slum , not upto the level of the Big Beautiful SoyExport city . But the people there had been responsible to the growth of the soya , but the slum politics are the same every where. The local government has not granted legal status to homes , and bulldozed everything else. The devastation is tsunami-like, according to the TV emotional story .Many of Brazilian citizens watching , weeping this story like one we had witnessed the Tsunami. 20 thousand people have been made homeless thrown into the street as they need to start again and may need 20 hard life to have their own house and may be never. The big urbanization of the city of this Tsunami like Machine based cruel operation has no place where the old model of the Tribal native Indian based natural rural green place where all the things are for the the people for all based on true collaborative democracy is still valid which can only lead us to have journey for ever for peace Ruralization and biofuel are the alternative road map for this journey rather than bulldozer. Calcutta slum people has made the ecological park with the place they had obtained from the local gov , making possible to get fish from the municipal sewage waste, solar energy via simple eological ponds construction .This is the big project made not by engineers , but by the poor people practical ecological oriented big project .This project has been well documented by the TV Chanel's and several reports as this really good slum politics The people business can have more power than the machine made projects only the slum politics stops. We need here this topics as the thread where information flow can stop the future this type of the Tsunami. sd Pannir selvam On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:35:35 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternet.org/story/21297/ Slum Politics By James Westcott, AlterNet. Posted February 18, 2005. The squalid mini-city states known as slums now house at least one billion people across the world, living outside normal regulations. As their ranks swell, some are saying that it's time to start thinking of them a little differently. In the last three months, the Bombay Municipal Corporation has demolished 80,000 shanties in a city where 3 million people are slum dwellers. The local government recently granted legal status to homes built before 1995, and bulldozed everything else. The devastation is tsunami-like, according to the Indian Inter Press news agency. Three hundred and fifty thousand people have been made homeless but only 50,000 new apartments have been provided. The program is part of Bombay's plan to re-model itself on the ruthlessly prosperous Shanghai, which has tried to eradicate its slums. But Shanghai's slums remain, as they do in other cities, as part of an inexorable global trend: 200,000 people a day are carrot-and-sticked from the countryside to cities that then refuse to accommodate them. In Bombay they end up in shacks by the road, on railway tracks and next to the airport - embarrassingly visible from landing planes. In Lagos, two-thirds of which is made up of slums, a shanty town has sprouted up on an enormous, slowly burning garbage dump. In Kibera, the slum surrounding Nairobi, raw sewage flows over the few water pipes, and latrines are so scarce that people simply defecate in plastic bags and then throw them as far away from their dwelling as possible - a phenomenon called flying toilets. Eighty-five percent of the developing world's urban population now lives in slums, and 40 percent of slum dwellers in Africa live in what the UN calls life-threatening poverty. Elsewhere though, squatter communities are so well developed that they can't properly be called slums. With multi-story buildings, shops, businesses and offices - even a squatter town hall - Sultanbeyli in Istanbul is now almost indistinguishable from the adjacent legal city. Despite the varying conditions, the world's squatters hold certain things in common: they live in semi-sovereign, if squalid, mini-city states, paying no taxes and leaching services like water and electricity and, occasionally, some rights, from the legit world. They operate in an illegal or informal economy, and have only the most tenuous relationship with the
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove
Hello As fifty porcent alcohol distillation can be very easily done by fuel wood and solar energy , Anil alcohol stove is an very interesting an more important his achievements . And also very good Keith bring this work here . Surely the ethanol made in India used as food , leading to health problem ca be used very easily to solve the fuel problems of rural areas One thing I am not very clear after going through this stove design is that how is the pressure obtained in the tank .Is it done manually as that of many kerosene stove or need any other device . Can any one reply. sd Pannir Selvam On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:16:13 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:40:53 +0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Heggie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove Hello! Our ethanol stove site has new data from user's of the stove in rural areas. http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/ethstove.pdf Cheers. Anil K. Rajvanshi Anil K Rajvanshi Director Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute P.O.Box 44, Phaltan 415523 Maharashtra, India Ph: 02166-222396/220945 Fax: 02166-220945 ___ Stoves mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves %http://www.repp.org/discussiongroups/resources/stoves/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bold Stang American Social Worker Killed in Brazil
Keith and our fellow members The whole Nation Brazil , all TV , News paper and government pay tribute to the Bold U.S. Catholic missionary Dorothy Stang for her dedicated work for the small famer and her unexpected death is the big price the nation need to pay to stop this brutal killing by the Big one.Nobody has expected that she will be the victime repeating again the same story of the Amazonian rain forest leader Chique Mendes brutal death as she have been loved and protected by several thousand people as she is the real guide and leader. Now without her all these small farmer are in danger .Their life are sacrified as they made the real war against those who are destroying the the words vital lungs of the the biggest Amazonian rainforest. Very rare people like Stang 74 old woman and the world has lost one who worked and dedicated life long strugle for the poor and the small farmer But the lesson she taught and her life is surely going make a turnig point in Brazilian politics to solve the on goin long war between Big and small farmers .Let all pray on behalf of her life long service and social work and look forward for peace as Brazil has such a huge lands and very cheap too and hence there is no need to do this brutal Killing. sd Pannir selvam SEE DETAILS AS FOLLOWS Brasil BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - Brazilian police are searching Amazon jungle for suspected killers of a 74-year-old American nun gunned down after defending peasant farmers in conflicts with loggers and ranchers. Two gunmen shot and killed U.S. Catholic missionary Dorothy Stang at a settlement of landless peasants on Saturday, 30 miles (50 km) from the town of Anapu in northern Brazil's Para. Stang, a native of Dayton, Ohio, spent three decades backing small farmers in Amazon land battles and faced death threats. Police identified the gunmen and suspect a local rancher ordered the killing, Human Rights Secretary Nilmario Miranda told Reuters by phone from the Anapu region. Everything indicates this, the gunmen's links, the history of (killing) contracts around here, said Miranda, adding that police did not yet want to give the name of the suspect. Hours after Stang was killed, a worker on a ranch adjacent to the settlement was shot and killed in front of his wife and five children by eight armed men, police said. Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula dispatched federal police teams to investigate the deaths, which have highlighted the land battles raging in the Trans-Amazonian highway region, about 435 miles (700 km) southwest of state capital Belem. The settlement where Stang was killed is linked to a vast, state-run sustainable development project. Loggers and ranchers are encroaching on the area set aside for small farmers. Stang, known as the angel of the Trans-Amazonian to supporters, and the terrorist by ranchers who opposed her, encouraged small farmers not to flee or sell. Anapu ranchers accused her of supplying guns to peasant farmers. Fellow missionaries in the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur order, which has some 2,000 nuns spread across five continents, dismissed the claims as absurd and false. Stang's death came nine days after she warned Miranda of death threats to her and local farmers as he set up a program to defend human rights workers in Para state. They did nothing to protect Dorothy, said Antonio Canuto, a leader of the Pastoral Land Commission, the Catholic rights group she worked for. This government protects big farmers. Lula promised to settle 400,000 landless families during his four-year term to even out Brazil's wealth inequalities. He is way behind target. Para has Brazil's highest rate of deaths connected to land battles, accounting for more than 40 percent of 1,237 murders between 1985 and 2001, according to environmental group Greenpeace. Federal officials said they did not expect Stang to become a victim. She was a public figure who was known nationally after winning awards for human rights and environmental work. Miranda said local landowners felt threatened by her as she gained increasing government support for her work. He said her death intensified the government's will to expropriate illegally occupied land and turn it into landless settlements and reserves. We're going to show creation of these reserves and agrarian reform is irreversible, said Miranda. -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Biorefinaries is surly less complex , small, tiny than petroleum oil very big refinaries, let our young the chemical and other engineers be prepare for this green great future of biomass for food, feed fuel, fertilizer and fine chemicals(natural product medicine) Our biofuel list is the major forum to promote this green tecnology and is not the place where here we promote the political views only as some one may think Biofuel list is nowadays as someone misunderstood that becoming against some political system or religious system and Big Corporative marketing system I am bring this news here because this is not true as we all know this , but I am sure that what we all want surely and agree collectively here is an globalized one world where the globalized Village will be supported by our network lending helping hand for bio and people power , true democracy for environmental protection where including the Big Blues nations small village will have it place too. Ruralization with biorefinaries is not means the technology of the poor , but different to the Big petro refinery global models Here in this new world nothing is isolated as we all are in one world moving to toward seein the one TV news only all the same , but different language .What no one want here is no the war , but wish to promote integration as I understand with my long time participation here Here surely we the list members do integrate political, cultural , ecological and of curse technological issues too. In this context , I express my sincere thanks to our list group leader Keith courage and determination not to eliminate freedom of expression even though it is related with Powerful Big Blues and Big Corporations leading to several legal issues , after all he is not the one promoting this , but the responsibility is of the one who write ,send it and surely is not the Biofuel list that can be blamed for the same. Some outsider may feel and be unhappy informing that our list move nowadys from technological to political only. Here we do have lot of biodiversity and some of our member can freely express their views .We do have several members from different countries wit lot of biodiversity and I am sure that they can surely defend any unfair attack if it is true. Our list is not made to make an war against any nation and not t surely against Big petro refineries , but surely focus thoughts to the new biorefinarinary inovative model of decentralised , democratically based systems globalized village with small Biorefinaries to give people biopower.If we cant defend this power of the biofuel ,then who will do it as this is clearly against the interest of the very very Big Blues Multinational Corporation and they do not belong to any nation but are there every where. As native Indian and bees collectively builds , each Village Biorefinaries are differently and collectivelly build by the people and for the people without the help of BigBlues .Our network need to be the catalyst to accelerate the process and not to allow the Big Blues mecanical and chemical sytemswallowing all the small ecologically natural agricultural system But the the small biorefinary is surely need tyo compete with Big blues. This is reality fight between Big and small not betwen one nation against but promoted with few people..Let us have courage to stop this unfare war to make the ecolocal equilibrium and peace, biofuel , biorefinaries for all All written here is surly my personel view, need not be confused with any national or anti national or Biofuel list views or the Keith views . I thank again here that we all can not only express freely . Let us we also prepare well to recieve and reply the attack if the views expressed are unfair , and thus I find this as the more democratic and dynamic list among 6 technical list I participate . Our debate on Sacred Cow and biofuel is well known here , as Keith never took side on the particular group or nation and thus never divided removed any one with out motive but he also see the point on the other side so that we have our objetive here very clear and us move colectively together with renewation of the new informations Birefinaries are this new biofuel hot topic where we all need to integrate bioethanol , biogas, Biooil, wood gas and also bioD too .Let us have the ball rolling on this hot topoic in our list. sd Pannir Selvam Brazil. -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Sesame and Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Congratulation Kirk Thank you very much for you bringing this important informations carried out the university where I had my graduations and Po's graduation studies in chemical engineering in seventies. Surely all our list members can have first benefit's as most of us use cars, computers and TV and have less time for walking and swimming , thus much prone to heart diseases . Surely we can use sesame and I fully agree with you as producing sesame require dry lands and more ecological than canola production using mechanical and chemical intensive methods . The answer I need from you is it true that canola oil is better than soy and corn oil for human consumption ? as published by some reports and doctors. I believe this by my own experience.Now I agrre with you we can better have sesame and coconut as they are much available here in the tropical place and I need not import from Canada. We here in Brazil can produce a lot of sesame , and we require market and I am sure this new information can make word more better . In south of India the oil cake of Sesame is also used as important food. This biodiversity of several oil source make food vs fuel as less war between countries if we we can solve this on globalized world. Kirk do keep bring this type of the vital information here Thanking you Pannirselvam P.V On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:30:49 -0800 (PST), Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pannir. I agree but I want to re emphasize that I think we could grow better oils than canola and soy for human consumption. For example sesame-- http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/sesame_oil_lowers_blood_pressure.htm Sesame oil lowers BP By Kylie Taggart TAMIL NADU, INDIA Researchers from the Annamalai University in Chidambaram here found cooking with sesame oil in place of other oils lowers blood pressure and the amount of medication needed to control hypertension. Dr. Devarajan Sankar (PhD) and colleagues studied 328 patients taking 10 mg to 30 mg of the calcium channel blocker nifedipine to control their hypertension. The participants were asked to switch to sesame oil from their regular cooking oil for two months. They consumed on average 35 g of sesame oil per day. Their average systolic and diastolic blood pressures were reduced from 166/101 mm Hg to 134/84.6 mm Hg. The nifedipine dosage was also lowered from an average 22.7 mg a day to 7.4 mg a day. Sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E. The researchers had previously reported it lowers blood pressure in hypertensives taking diuretics and beta-blockers. The current data were presented at the Inter-American Society of Hypertension meeting recently. Article found on Medicalpost.com More information available on St.John's.com --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bab and Kirk Starting from this important thread about canola oil , this is very good to know the importance of several oils as this use is more important than the use of BIOD. I fully agree with the Kirk information and hence food use of the several other oil need not be forgotten . As vegetable oil is very costly in developing area especially for the poor people , even though soy and canola canot be the good choice as an ideal one for food , their use upto certain level can complement other locally preferred use of the oil as now days most of the soya is feed for animal gowth and not for human food.This is real danger of wrong of globalised workld food crysis and security Several tropical countries in Asia do use coconut oil , especially South India , the state of Kerala, Andhra and Chennai where this oil is much consumed one can really see the most beautiful women from Kerala with long hair with less cancer and heart disease in acorde with information cited by KIRK reference But here again there is a problem of the taste , culture and food habits as they are local issues , Globalization of food and energy production is an complex one , need careful thinking of long time sustainability as the importation can make . Thanks, for Bab and Kirk rolling the ball of this food vs fuel subjects and I wish this ball kicked by every one about coconut, thus the ball can be rolling .Our beloved Keith can make this ball rolling between the south and north as north people are not yet aware of the use of cocont milk , powder and oil . No one can admit to use the oil may be soya and canola to feed the Motor via BioD , where we see so may are needing thes oil for the good heath. The vegetable oil cake , used oil , oils from wastes, oil from
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
Greeting to Keith and Alampratap Our university is in summer hoildays . I will surely send theses information to the list a month after as this is already published one and I agree fuly with Keith views that we all need to give and take.This is how Google win over micro soft this is how open source software survives. Some good work have been conducted in IIT delhi as master and Phd thesis in 1980-1989 .Alam can easily contact the departments. Another good information is from Biomass gasification of IISc Bangalore , about which Keith has once send me an email. I wish to help as much as early possivel Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:19:45 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alampratap, Pan Hello Pannir P.V, I am very interested in what you had written in your mail. Please send the relevant information or data about the research in your univ. Please don't, Pan - if you have such information available for emailing, please send it to the list and not direct to Alampratap, or it will end up only on his hard disk and yours. It's of interest to everyone and should be shared with the whole list if possible, and then it will also be in the archives for future seekers to find there. I have tried to check IIT Delhi's website, but can't find any information. Send some link if you can. No, please, as above - send it to the list. Basically i want to run a simple diesel engine on gobar gas without much investment and am looking for the best way to do it. I will be grateful for your help. We're all here to be helped AND to help each other Alampratap. The list is for sharing, not just for receiving. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:47:37 -0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas? Helow A..Sing Our university here in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high compression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being done at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of gas upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because of the very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , which can very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butane gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to make possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recovery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highly compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric energy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 -0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing
biofuel and energy production for dairy
Hello Keith and our list members Can any one help the useful information to design the bookstores , Milk pasteurization and cooling , ice making based on the energy from cow manure and effluent from small milk processing industry using heat pump and solar energy too. Based upon the information , the the design details involving the co generation of heat. cold and electricity for small dairy firm will be first published here in our list as this will be latter presented in the international congress. As I urgently need this help for our group work , any help and relevant information in this regard will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557
Re: [Biofuel] just grateful
Greeting,Mike Krafka JFT is an gold mine of useful and practical engineering knowledge and surely the ability of the experts time spend here make this gold ball knowledge of rolling to all the places independent of north , south east and west.Surely we make here the new modern quick way of not only technical education but also humanised education so that our decedent need not repeat the mistakes , yet we all need one noble educative attitude so that rolling ball make us fell one in an localized word , giving and taking and we need not divide us here due to religion , due to local culture and no racial pre conceits . Here we had debate about sacred cow that Keith has very nicely handled , we too have diverse views , after all the world is too big and we cant agree on all.But here do understand , learn as you correctly pointed out . I feel like you that the new generation of the rich and poor nation need to come to our list and feel that we all in the same world as much as the new tsunami , earth quake , tempest , super hot winds are going to come to all the places.Let us all prepare to come together to face this war against natural calamity not involved in making artificial calamity for human beings. Here in this list we forget this division as you said and surely feel like you feel that we are all simple humans ,all need helping hand .If some one starve in this world , we too are responsible as the world is rich , world is plentiful , why there should be the war and the misery.The world peace cant be given only in the hand of few political one and powerful media people only. Thus the very important point in this exchange of view in this list is exchange of not ideas , but a valuable Knowledge, ability of our members to take ,and give to one who need it especially for the people from south .But yet we need here list members with the correct educative attitude which you have and well expressed .When the list members grow with this correct educative attitude the our knowledge exchange ball will roll around the world and make us much united and much powerful especially for the people who need it so that they can be powerful to as they all will be made as powerful too. sd Pannirselvam Brazil On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:08:55 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note to reiterate how important this exchange of information, and viewpoints, is for me. When I found Journey, it was a real education for me, covering several areas I had no prior knowledge of whatsoever. I'm light years from being an expert in any of these areas today, but the discoveries I continue to make here help me to strengthen a couple of old allies I thought might be gone for ever, my love of learning, and the construction/welding skills I spent years honing. I have yet to build a biodiesel reactor, or get started on biodiesel production, but that will come in time. For me, I'm having way too much fun building my second waste oil heater, and getting ready to start building BBQ pits for the upcoming Spring and Summer season. This list, more importantly, the people who take the time to post on this list, whether they have agreeing or dissenting views, American or Canadian (LOL Luc), what you are all doing is important. It definitely matters, and I think it will be through these types of exchanges, over time, that we will finally be able to get over our nationalities one day. Who knows, maybe then our descendents will get to experience something truly remarkable, a life where they can simply be called humans. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Internacional seminar On Integrated ecological system design for fuel,food, feed , fiber and fertilizer and Ruralization of Urban ares.
I from north east of Brasil and Dr T.Karunakaran , the vice Chancellor Ghandhi Gram rural university , India the person who really dedicate his for giving real power to rural poor using apropriate technolgy wish for the past 12 years trying to conduct this conference and need active help from our list members to make this possible. Any viable sugestion and help are needed to solve the following problems to make this real sucess. The local: Brasil, South Africa , India , Australia. Date :Jan ou Feb of 2006. Duration : 3 days Off line participation of our list members by web conference I request active participation from our list members as this is part of biofuel and JFT objectives and also request Keith personel participation. Eventhough India , Brasil and Australia have university can hold this event , I feel that any country in the South Africa can be place as all participation from south do not have money to participate . The internacional event need financial supports .This is very dificult for participants from south .South africa is much central place and also the country which need much the information exchange . Any valubale informatiion to make this plan viable will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Pannirselvam P.V Brazil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557
Re: [Biofuel] I'm looking for a guest speaker -- This could be fun!
Greeting Micheal I consider your group participation is very important for Our biofuel list , JTF and also for the third world too. Thanks a lot let us try for the colaborative work. Keith can surely recomend some experts form our list from your country. sd Pannirselvam On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:18:03 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm looking for a guest speaker to present on alternative energy and sustainability for a local chapter of The American Society of Mechanical Engineers in New Haven CT, of which I am Chair. We are planning the presentation for late March. In November, we had Ian Arbon visit from the UK. He gave an excellent presentation on sustainability and I would like to continue on a similar theme. I was wondering if someone in this group can recommend someone in my area of the country. Lodging and dinner at the event in addition to a $200.00 honorarium is customary. Depending on the distance traveled, ASME would also consider paying for transportation. It could be a lot of fun. We have an enthusiastic group who would not only respond well to this topic, but (in my opinion) are potential converts/activists to the the causes important to organizations like JTF. Regards, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel and energy production for dairy
Hi kirk Thank you Keith has already send me the book and we all thank ffor the same.We are adopting and making modification of Super Gas spherical plastic biodigesters , Rentec , Canada automatic feeding and mixing envolving biodestor pressure , but all very complex to be implemented. Keith has also send me gasfication from bangalore and also I find excelent work about cogeneration using heat pump. I need some one to help me design heat pump for milk processing for heating and cooling as this involve especialised expert design. The system involves , biogas using anaerobic digestores , one motor(gasoline) compressor to run heat pump which give hot water about 50 C , as well as cooling up to 0 C then heated via motor exhaust gas , race ponds for treatments of effluents. JTF has good references to go ahead with the project. Any one especialised experts in these project are welcome too Thanking you On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:27:49 -0800 (PST), Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think John Fry is worth reading. His farm raised pigs and the carbon ratio of the manure is different than cows so that would have to be accomodated. The resultant fertilizer is better than just manureing a field though. Kirk --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith and our list members Can any one help the useful information to design the bookstores , Milk pasteurization and cooling , ice making based on the energy from cow manure and effluent from small milk processing industry using heat pump and solar energy too. Based upon the information , the the design details involving the co generation of heat. cold and electricity for small dairy firm will be first published here in our list as this will be latter presented in the international congress. As I urgently need this help for our group work , any help and relevant information in this regard will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel
Hi Gorvans The oil from rape seed and palm have glycerol linked fatty acids and hence need methanol or etanol to get way glyerine and make BioD which is an ester of acids with alcohol and thus need reator , catalysts, washing , purification and energy to mix all etc. The oil obtained from Jataropha plant is natural BIOD , that can be used directly by enegine , but need filteration. You can see more informationfrom the following link. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I hope you are from India , some very good work on Jataropha oil is being done by IISc Bangalore and alot more see via google and JFT I think India is leading in research in this area . sd Pannirselvam .Ph.D(IIT DELHI) Brasil _ On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:00:07 +0800, apccin apccin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear sir can someone tell me about the property of jatropha bio-diesel compare to the rapeseed oil bio-diesel and palm oil bio-diesel? thanks best regards gorvans _ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
HelowA..Sing Our university here in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high compression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being done at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of gas upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because of the very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , which can very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butane gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to make possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recovery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highly compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric energy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 -0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana _ Get Your Private, Free Jatt Email at http://www.jatt.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Hello Bab and Kirk Starting from this important thread about canola oil , this is very good to know the importance of several oils as this use is more important than the use of BIOD. I fully agree with the Kirk information and hence food use of the several other oil need not be forgotten . As vegetable oil is very costly in developing area especially for the poor people , even though soy and canola canot be the good choice as an ideal one for food , their use upto certain level can complement other locally preferred use of the oil as now days most of the soya is feed for animal gowth and not for human food.This is real danger of wrong of globalised workld food crysis and security Several tropical countries in Asia do use coconut oil , especially South India , the state of Kerala, Andhra and Chennai where this oil is much consumed one can really see the most beautiful women from Kerala with long hair with less cancer and heart disease in acorde with information cited by KIRK reference But here again there is a problem of the taste , culture and food habits as they are local issues , Globalization of food and energy production is an complex one , need careful thinking of long time sustainability as the importation can make . Thanks, for Bab and Kirk rolling the ball of this food vs fuel subjects and I wish this ball kicked by every one about coconut, thus the ball can be rolling .Our beloved Keith can make this ball rolling between the south and north as north people are not yet aware of the use of cocont milk , powder and oil . No one can admit to use the oil may be soya and canola to feed the Motor via BioD , where we see so may are needing thes oil for the good heath. The vegetable oil cake , used oil , oils from wastes, oil from spoiled soya and canola need to be first tried as source for BioD . Compared to soya and corn oil , canola has shown to be the best oil that lead to less allergy.This has been proved otherwise no one will go for its purchase eventhoug I canot explain much.Bob and Kirk can help to find it more. Olive oil is too expensive especially for the developing south world, beyond the reach of sevral million peoples .Brasil is importing dried coconut powder and a huge quantity of oil is lost in the manufacturing process. Coconut is growing very fast in Northeast Brasil , huge seashore land suitable for its growth All are welcome to make this product for food and BioD. Our biofuel list members colaborations are welcome to joint hand with our state , centrala governemt and enterpreuners effort to make the coconut good for fuel and food for local and export need. Thus information need to flow from south and north to make our list much dynamic and ocative, sustained local development possivel through globalised information on technolgy , market and market is made possible here. KEITH has asked me here how can we make the ball rolling between all the parts of the world. The ecologicay sound message of planting the tree . care for animal , hospital for animal all have been spread half of the world by true follwers of Budha in the world with out TV , Radio and Internet. Thus rolling the ball, in this modern world is possibleif we all have attuide to spend an hour a week , as this I do find impossible some time .However we canot leave the ball only with our kind Keith alone as the time he deicate is come to an impossible limit. Let us all play rolling the ball south to north , north to east and east to west as our list has enough members from all sides of the world, not only limited to the old players . New players are welcome too actively to keep the ball rolling .Depend Keith how we involve the the new bees here , so that they feel free here to see the old history ,before they kick the ball.If not we we will be playing all the time old game that all hadrolled well here in our list severall times. Yours truely Panniselvam On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:35:52 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanx's this is all very good to know ! -- Original message -- http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/15/cooking_oil.htm Although mainstream media portrays olive oil as the healthiest oil, this title does not extend to cooking. Olive oil is primarily a monounsaturated fat. This means that it has one double bond in its fatty acid structure. Although a monounsaturated fat is inherently more stable than a polyunsaturated fat, the overabundance of oleic acid in olive oil creates an imbalance on the cellular level, which has been associated to an increased risk of breast cancer and heart disease. Olive oil is a healthy fat to include in your diet in a non-heated form, however.
Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Helow The price of imported canola oil in Brazil is 3 time than soy bean oil as this is proved and recomended to prevent cancer.This oil has superior unsaturated fatty acids and is recomended as one of the best oil to prevent cancer. Hence using the oil cake to make BIOD wiil be good approach so that we can get both food and fuel. Apple seed is an good raw material for BIOD. The direct processing of apple seed with alcohol and catalyst can be posssible to get BIOD in one step rather than expensive oil extraction and then BIOD making in two step.This one step simultaneous extraction and BioD Making process is being developed and patened in Brazil for castor seed and I hope can also work for apple seed. Any futhur details of this process can be obtained from Brazil Wish you sucess in BIOD making May be you can get more money by selling canola oil to third world countries than BioD and with this money you can help buying BIOD from used vegetable oil and thus help for sustainable green business. sd Pannirselvam Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:35:14 -0700, Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O'Neil, Hey there. I just started on the BioD journey recently my self. In fact today I made my first test batch with new Canola oil and KOH.so far so good. Not being a chemist, there is very little chance that I could do this with out all the help this site, Girl Mark, Lance and Steve here in Boulder, and the Boulder and Denver BioD groups. Anyway, one of the more challenging portions on this process has been the sourcing of the components to construct the reactor (still looking for some items). After almost 6 months of looking I have concluded that, at least in this local, that it would take me over a year to find all the stuff I need for free. Therefore, I have settled for reasonable cheap rather than free. Might be better sources where you live, I hope. I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. If you have a recycled construction materials yard there that would likely be a good source for wood or steel for racks and frames as well as the plumbing supplies. I have decided to go new on the pump and vacuum pump since it would be difficult to determine the actual condition of used one. Beside, you may not know what it had been used for which might introduce contamination into your process Very interested to see how your algae experiments go. Please keep us informed. Thank you and good luck Dana Knight Boulder, CO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] POWER TO PEOPLE AND FREEDOM FROM THE POVERTY
Thank you Keith for bringing here Sanjay Suri report Only bringing all the leader from the south and very less developed nation , the world can com togother as one. By helping the poor people have Biofuel power , the developed nation can get back all the money as money removed by the G7 are always more than they have invested in these countries. Let us wish the good sense of Britains finance ministers have impact as Britain has suported when USA has need to go for war and now let us see .In history Britain has never lost any battle.If this time Britain loss it position in the coming meeting , then surely it is no more a powerfull nation , neither with Europe nor with USA.. The political people need courage to make corect decisions as this can be realway to one wirld globalizations. The road map is there to help the poor by rich , but this also need will and wishto make poor people to have the power and freedom from poverty sd PannirSelvam On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:47:54 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0204-01.htm Published on Friday, February 4, 2005 by the Inter Press Service 'Make Poverty History': People Power Gets to G7 by Sanjay Suri LONDON - Nelson Mandela, 86, needed no support when he walked up to address thousands at Trafalgar Square in London Thursday. He had the support of a cheering crowd, and of one of the most powerful movements ever to gather against world poverty. Mandela spoke at Trafalgar Square -- London's traditional venue for people to make a political statement -- on the eve of the meeting Friday and Saturday of finance ministers from the G7 countries (the United States, Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Japan). He was carrying a message for that meeting, and succeeded before it began. Steps to counter poverty are already set to dominate the G7 meeting. Traditionally G7 finance ministers are more given to talk of exchange rates and macro multinational issues. What Mandela says counts, and behind Mandela spoke about 220 British civil society groups who invited him to the Trafalgar Square rally. The British groups came together late last year in a campaign 'Make Poverty History'. http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/home.html ''Many of us realized that 2005 is going to be an important year to campaign against poverty,'' Lysbeth Holdoway from Oxfam who has been working with the Make Poverty History campaign told IPS Thursday. This year Britain has presidency of G8 (which includes also Russia) and will have presidency of the European Union (EU) in the second half of the year. ''So we have come together this year in UK and around the world to put pressure on governments to act,'' she said. The British movement is tied internationally into the Global Campaign for Action Against Poverty. Mandela was invited to Trafalgar Square ''because he is such an important leader, and we know that if he came people would have to take action,'' Holdoway said. The immediate result was that civil society, backed by all major trade unions and the Church of England, has managed at least in substantial measure to set the agenda for a G7 finance ministers' meeting. ''As you know, I recently formally announced my retirement from public life and should really not be here,'' Mandela said. ''However, as long as poverty, injustice and gross inequality persist in our world, none of us can truly rest.'' Mandela linked the new civil society campaign with his own campaign against apartheid. ''The Global Campaign for Action Against Poverty can take its place as a public movement alongside the movement to abolish slavery and the international solidarity against apartheid,'' he said. Mandela told the wildly cheering crowd: ''I can never thank the people of Britain enough for their support through those days of the struggle against apartheid. . . . Through your will and passion, you assisted in consigning that evil system forever to history. But in this new century, millions of people in the world's poorest countries remain imprisoned, enslaved, and in chains. They are trapped in the prison of poverty. It is time to set them free.'' There was more than emotion to Mandela's appeal. ''The steps that are needed from the developed nations are clear,'' he said. ''The first is ensuring trade justice. The second is an end to the debt crisis for the poorest countries. The third is to deliver much more aid and make sure it is of the highest quality.'' Mandela said finally: ''I say to all those (G7) leaders: do not look the other way; do not hesitate. Recognize that the world is hungry for action, not words. Act with courage and vision.'' Mandela was due to take his message directly to the ministers at a meeting with them Friday. The task will not be easy, Mandela said. ''But not to
Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler
helow Jan Send me your bio data and we will try to brig here to northeast Brasil, very underdeveloped area of Brasil, but with rich biomass research Pannir Selvam On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:40:44 +0100, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pieter. I live in Sweden, but as I mentioned, I can consider moving overseas. Please address me further on to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With best regards Jan Warnqvist + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler Where do you live ? Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
BRAZIL AND WORLD SOCIAL FORUM Thank you very much for Keith for bringing here the important event in south as only the north of the world alwayes get importance . Important scientific personalities such as Da Silva ,Mukul Sharma, Several political leaders such as Lula of Brazil , several economic leaders who are devoted and dedicated their life to poor from all over the world are coming together in WSF,world social forum. Keith , this is very good news to know that this event has unexpectedly become a global political and social phenomenon and will be going to spread all the parts of the world as this an real globalization of the wealth for all. The feeling here in Brazil is really looking for the new model of economic , truly challenging US , showing another type of economic model in future political one not the left , or right but the green party We ,Brazilian feel that we can produce enough diesel and food for the most part of the world as we have the largest lands that can be cultivated are in the south , not in the north of G8 , but with G3, the India , Africa and Brazil as the rich sorce of biocombustivel and food for the world. Hence these G3 together is real threat not only the US but also the G8.What is going to be economic war based on the fuel.As G8 will always divide and rule G3, the WSF has the great green future not make the war , but make peace for poor Instead of super market oriented marketing and distribution , what we need is an Ruralization of urban areas in G3 with distributed energy and food based on biofuel The real threat for us in the south is the war , which only the senators and political people of the US , spending huge amount of money promote in the name of threat of fuel and food . Surely the group members of our list need to unite all of the world and make WSF , world social forum, a success. The people who has no food has the same right to destroy the world , not his home as we all are globally linked. Sorry for not posting for the las 2 monts from here , as we had serious virus problems with our computers due to the use of Internet browser monopolised as the only one in the world The thin posting here, as Keith pointed out , I feel is lack of main subject thread for debate and discussion such as biogas ethanol form biomass, Diesel from wastes. etc We need to depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations. For example,some thread for debate are: The best way to make methane from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of two process composting with bioconversion of methane . But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one is not practical on as Keith used point out the lab to internationall articall only.What is the best way? We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are really sleeping. In our recent research study in internet that 7 kW flexivel methane gas ,gasoline power cost is very low as 250 US dollars or 800 Brazilian reais.The cheap gasline motor or costlier diesel generator.Which is the best way. We need technical people knowlege brought here in this as this can make debate more useful. Thus inovations in electrical generations dc e ac can make the small cogeneration project with low cost biogas and pre heated used vegetable oil can be made possivel in a small scale.Yet this subject need our list members debate .This can be real way to make small power gweneration for the people , by the people to the people .Let us all make the posting not as thin , but make it as big as possible as we have the big foundation made it poible. We need the corect attuide , the foundation made very strong will surely become much more in the coming days sd Pannir selvam P.V Brazil On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:32:31 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1398409,00.html Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Global poverty targeted as 100,000 gather in Brazil Activists join presidents as annual World Social Forum gets under way in Porto Alegre John Vidal in Porto Alegre Wednesday January 26, 2005 The Guardian Elvis, Betu and Renatu live in a rubbish dump. Every day the teenagers take out their wire pushcarts, collect the waste of the southern Brazilian city of Porto Alegre and bring it back to the illegal slum of Chocolatado to sort and then sell on. It's a grim place, made of reclaimed tarpaulins, waste timber, old plastic and metal. None of the shacks have running water or toilets, and most of them are deep in litter. This, then, is the ideal backdrop for the launch today of the World Social Forum, which meets annually to discuss issues affecting developing countries. Begun five years ago specifically to counter the annual meeting of world business
Re: [Biofuel] Greeting to all
To all beloved list members This year has passed with terrific tusame and Asiatic earth quack. This biofuel list is an valuable forum bringing together the south , north , east and west , the young newcomer as well as the experienced people. In this new year I visited the poor people house in the Northeast part of Brasil. Even though electric power is available, as they do not have money to pay , the poor people here are successful in using 50 percent kerosene and 50 percent diesel as cheap fuel using age old Lamperine lamp as an aternative to electrical one as money for food has more value than for fuel..In future surely we biofuel members can contribute to solve the rural energy crisis A special thanks and admiration for the dedicated work of our list leader Keith,beloved kind leader leader of all of us , to make our list as uniquely balanced international forum to provide useful solution to rural energy crisis.Surely 2005 or list can do better tthan 2004 , if all of us can spent some time to our group and giving the heping hand. I wish a happy 2005 and look forward exchange of information not only biofuel for rural region , but also our list members projects for ruralization of urban areas, of curse certainly with the useful ecologically sound biofuel projects Pannirselvam Brasil On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:10:44 +0100, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The year that passed has been interesting and with many challenging events. The biofuel list, for me, is a very valuable forum for a community that consist of a uniquely balanced international representation of mature and experienced people. I want to wish you all a Happy New Year and look forward to the coming exchanges of opinions in year 2005. A special thanks and admiration to Keith and his very professional job as moderator. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs
Dear chris For economic reasons young students like you in Brasil prefer to look for work in renewable energy area , but practical work and study in the same area can go hand .You need to look small enterprise for rural enegy area beased on the biofuel list arqives and also do part time study .This can be dificult , but possible with a lot of effort.As good idea need not die , but need place , soil to grow. Wish you sucess sd Pannir On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:58:07 -0800 (PST), chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all- I have been receiving and reading the biofuel digest for a couple of months now,and have really begun to value the wealth of information that is connected to it.I could condsider myself a 'newbie' in the field of renewables (1-2 years of growing interest), and could be classified as part of the 'interested public'. I am now seeking some information on possible paths of education for a career in some sort of renewables.As of now I don't have much more than a high school diploma,but have a lot of mechanical apptitude.I live in northern California,and I think that Solar is an interesting field,and it has been growing considerably in the last few years. What I am wondering,is if anyone has some good suggestions on where to start.Should I just try to get in at a lower level, i.e. installations; or first get some technical experience in say, electrical work.This would be while I am carrying on with my current work-which unfortunately consumes fossil fuels (natural gas -I am a scientific glassblower). Or should I just go for the gusto, and get a full college education, in some broader field of work - that would enable me to be somewhere in renewables.Please help, it is harder than you think being hypocritical in my line of work and in thinking. Thanks- Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Happy new year to all our group member
Hpapy new year -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Happy!
Happy new year to all our Biofuel group member On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:20:21 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YEP! Hic .. #..*.* .*^ ^ :o) Cheers, ...ˇ^, hic Aleks ... Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24.12.2004 05:49 Please respond to biofuel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[Biofuel] Happy Happy! Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas, for the Christians, a happy solstice for the pagans, Happy Happy! for all of them and everyone else too, and Happy Humbug for Todd! LOL! And may we all have a happy, healthy, prosperous and productive 2005, peace and goodwill to all mankind, and to all womankind too - thanks for holding up half the sky! Thanks to everyone for everything. Keith and Midori Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
