Re: [Biofuel] Seeds
has anyone on this forum considered the long term implications of importing/planting foreign plants? in many countries this practise is illegal, and restricted for many more. This is for very good reason, initally the import of a new plant or tree may seem to solve a problem, but when it starts to grow wild and replace the indigenous species, it could have catastrophic consequences for the ecology of the region. Regards Bob - Original Message - From: lres1 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Seeds Prakash Chhagani, Can you please send details of what you can supply in the range of Jatropha of the non-toxic variety. Would like cost of DHL from you to me here of 5,000 seed lots. Thank you for your help. Doug Handisides- Original Message - From: prakash chhangani To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas Where ***No virus was detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameYour mail has been scanned by InterScan.***-*** Dear sir, If you are interested from supplies from India we can help you. Please advise. Yours truly, Prakash Chhagani Sorry to trouble all but am unable to find a site where I can buy seeds for Jatropha Curcus, the non-toxic variety from Mexico. That is I would like to be able to locate 100 kilograms of such seeds at minimum for propagation into a hedge type stabilizing system for steep hillsides that have been stripped bare and thus need to be rehabilitated. Thank you for what help any one may give. Doug ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Doug Handisides[EMAIL PROTECTED] Only the intended recipient may access or use thiss communication. Any distribution, use, dissemination, reproduction, copying of this e-mail without prior written consent is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately by return e-mail and then delete this e-mail. Thank you for your co-operation. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!
Yep, that is real good, this ad is well put together. but I for one resent people trying to make money out of info that others have made available for free How about filling this guys ebay mailbox with crap? I have already done my bit lol (nothing nasty or abusive though) - Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!! > Wow. Glad I'm not one of those biodiesel crackpots. Errr. > Um.Nevermind > > Remember. Don't share this with your friends. > > On 12/25/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Too good not to share, or, is this why people think we are crackpots? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/BioDiesel-Made-Easy-Manual-Book-Make-your-own-from-home_ W0QQitemZ4599779724QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > Or, look up item 4599779724 on ebay. > > > > Too funny > > > > Happy Holidays, > > > > Mike > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] File - movie SuCkingPuSSy.mpeg
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Re: [Biofuel] BioButanol replaces gasoline
Sell it in the UK. UK gasoline prices are currently around £3.60 a gallon ($6.48US)so even if you deduct the fuel duty for biofuels here of 0.27 litre ($2.08US/gal) there is still $4.40 per gallon to be had. - Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioButanol replaces gasoline > But there's a limited market for solvent. After you've sold all you > can at $3.70, you have to start selling it cheaper to get into the > fuel market, or not sell any more. > > On 12/15/05, Paul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From the first URL: > > "Butanol currently sells for about $3.70 per gallon in bulk (barge) and > > $6.80 in 55 gallon drums." > > and > > "Our preliminary cost estimates suggest that we can produce butanol from > > corn for about $1.20 per gallon, not including a credit for the hydrogen > > produced. This compares with ethanol production costs of about $1.28 per > > gallon. Taking into account the higher Btu content of butanol, this > > translates to 105,000 Btu per dollar for butanol and 84,000 Btu per dollar > > for ethanol with corn at $2.50 per bushel. As a further point of reference, > > butanol produced from petroleum costs about $1.35 per gallon to > > manufacture." > > > > With US wholesale gasoline (ie barge) at ~$1.65 (Source: NYMEX for January > > delivery), $1.20 per gallon production sounds great, especially against > > $1.35 per gallon from petrochem. But if the (bio)Butanol would be worth > > $3.70 as a solvent, would the price as a fuel be low enough to replace > > gasoline? I think only if the supply outstripped demand to a large degree. > > No rational capitalist would sell a product worth $3.70 for $1.65. Did I > > miss something? > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Ran across this on another list, and thought people here would interested > > it. > > > > > > http://butanol.com/index.html > > > http://www.ilcorn.org/Corn_Products/Butanol/butanol.html > > > > > > Be interesting to see the information about BioDiesel made with butanol. > > > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > PC > > > > He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch > > > > A little nonsense now and then, is cherished by the wisest men. - Roald Dahl > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts
Teoman, Sounds like suspended water particles in your BD. I get this all the time, especially with more aggressive washing techniques. Leave your BD to stand for a week or so, or warm it up a little, and the water should settle out leaving you with clear BD again. If you have tried re-processing without any more glycerin dropping out, but are still doubtful of the quality, try some of the other JtF recommended quality tests, such as dissolving a sample in pure methanol. If you get a portion that does not dissolve, you may still have unprocessed oil in your batch. Hope this helps. Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: "Teoman Naskali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts > I let some of my BD settle for about 2 months (indoors, 22 degrees > celcius) and by the time I got to the washing stage I noticed that it > was rather clear with some white sediment at the bottom. And when I > washed It I did not observe much soap formation. And the separation was > almost immediate like I was mixing vegetable oil and water. > > Now after two days the water still looks fairly clear. The bd is > slightly cloudy. > > First I worried that I hadnt completed the process and that what I was > washing was more vegetable oil rather thatn Bd, but reprocessing it > didn't give any glycerine. > > > > Is there any error here? > > > Thanks for any advice > Teoman > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:01 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts > > ReZn0r, > > "Settling time" is simply letting gravity do the separation work for > you, rather than enlisting equipment such as centrifuges. The more > glycerol/soap that is extracted by settling the less impediment to the > subsequent step, whether it be stage two or washing. > > Todd Swearingen > > >Hi > > We are making BD with a homemade reactor (80 liters). We have > used de single stage and de two stage (base-base) methods succesfuly, > but we still having many doubts :) > > > > In the two stages method described in journeytoforever, the mix > settle around 12 h between first and second stage before extract the > glycerine. It?s necessary to settle so many time? It?s bad if any > glycerine is not decanted and is mixed in the second stage? Is there any > "trick" to avoid to wait 12 h between first and second stage? > > > >Many thx in advance and sorry for my bad english > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or > g > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Composting Glycerin by-product
Hi all, I have decided to go the composting route to dispose of my glycerin by-product, but I want to combine this process with at least one other. I plan to dispose of garden waste, household compostibles and glycerin b-p together, but want to get another usable or saleable by product. Has anyone checked out the effects of puting glycerin by-product in a worm composter? Would this harm the worms? Another thought is will glycerin b-p ruin mushroom compost? All thoughts and opinions appreciated. Regards Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Mike, It seems the UK is way aheaad of you on this one. To collect WVO over here you already need to get a "waste carriers licence" from the Environment Agency. And if you want to sell so much as a drop of your finished BD, you need yet another licence! Oh yes, and your oil storage facility must be fully bunded too. So good luck with your proposals, I hope you never have the mountain of red tape we got here. Bob - Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? > Nobody really knows because nobody really monitors the news. That's > another thing I would propose: subscribe to a clipping service and write a > custom Google search to stay on top of what's happening. Track legislation. > > The last thing I would propose is to become another NBB. > > I was down in Pittsboro, NC doing the tour, and there was a person > there who owned a large trap grease company in the Ga. area. His > companion/driver let it slip that the powers that be, the "ol boys" in > the legislature were considering some better regulation on WVO. To > wit: making it neccessary to have a state license and "the right > equipment" to collect and store it. Idle chatter? I don't know. But > it didn't sound good. > > I'm envisioning something moveon.org, and it there is something on the > table putting on my monkey suit, rounding up a few of my more literate > crackpot BD friends and going down to talk to our representatives. I > already have a few connection down there so we would at least get a > hearing. If it were really critical I would start calling in media > favors - hope to get our side into the debate. On the other hand, I > don't propose raising a stink if all is quiet. > > Thomas Kelly wrote: > > >Keith, > > I'm not sure that Mike is proposing a national campaign complete with > >television commercials and lobbyists well-funded with $ to "grease the > >gears" of the political process. It sounds as though he might be willing to > >monitor proposals that could effect BD homebrewers here in the US and keep > >us posted. After all, the original message to this thread was: > > > > " caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting > >to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of highway > >maintenance costs." > >Anyone know anything about this?" > > > >AP > > > >The first sentence has caused a great deal of discussion, but no one has > >answered the question: > > "Anyone know anything about this?" > > > > Is there a proposal? > > Who is making the proposal? > > We've discussed taxes on fuel, dying fuel,etc. when the question asks > >about taxing alternate fuel vehicles. > >Maybe there is a proposal to tax electric cars based on miles travelled. > >Commercial buses are taxed, after paying fuel tax, additional road use tax > >based on miles travelled in each state. > > The discussions have been great. I've been following them with > >interest. I would love to have someone keeping track of the way things are > >playing out at our national level to keep us informed, prepared, and with > >suggestions for a way to be proactive rather than reactive. This is a global > >list. There is a saying "Think global, act local". (or something like that) > > I think it would be beneficial to have a group that monitors national > >and even local proposals, (here in the US) and I would be willing to pay a > >membership fee or would it be better to say "make a donation" to the > >cause? > > Tom > >- Original Message - > >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:02 AM > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? > > > > > > > > > >>Hello Walker and all > >> > >> > >> > >>>I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group like > >>>this. It's not going to be long before the government or Exxon > >>>tries to get in on the act and we need to be prepared. > >>> > >>> > >>We've been foreseeing it for six years at least, and we've already > >>seen such moves in various places. But it's probably too late, the > >>cat's out of the bag, we're right out of control, IMHO. > >> > >> > >> > Also at the local level, the worldwide community of biofuels > homebrewers have developed cheap, effective and safe small-scale > production methods that produce high-quality fuel and that anyone can > use. There are now many kinds of independent small-scale local > operations producing and using millions and millions of gallons of > biofuels a year, growing fast. Most of it goes right under the > official radar, nobody calculates it, nobody has any clear idea of > how much it is or of quite who these people are. But they're forming > active networks of grassroots-level biofuels producers in ma
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol suppliers
Hi Chris, what sort of quantities are you looking for? For 25L plus, try Performance chemicals Ltd. Prices are good but carriage charges are very high. For less than 25L, you can have some of mine at cost if you can collect from Peterborough. Hope this helps Rgds Bob - Original Message - From: "Chris May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol suppliers > Hi everyone, Ive just started attempting to make BD > but after getting some methanol from a local model > airplane shop, he told me that his supplier has told > him he can no longer get him the stuff since > apparently the british government have "outlawed" > methanol being sold a seperate item so 95% or better > stuff will become impossible to find! > > I was just wondering if there is any truth in that and > if any homebrewers local to the east London/Essex area > can let me know any places where I can purchase some > methanol (I am way too novice to start using ethenol > lol) > > Cheers for any information! > > Chris > > > > ___ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks,
Michael, to charge up a bank of car batteries, how about making your own miniature wind farm? car alternators fitted with car radiator fans and sited on the roof of your garage. With some development, they could give you all the energy you need. I currently use one to power the lights in my garage, it works great Regards Bob - Original Message - From: "Doug Foskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, > On Sunday 20 November 2005 5:28, Michael Nehring wrote: > Hi, > there is a project to make a solid state controller to use a chest type > freezer as a frig. Works well apparently... (google ata: Alternative energy > assoc in Melbourne, Victoria Australia for details of kit.) > > regards Doug > > Hi all, > > In about 8 months or so, I and my (future) wife will buy our first > > house. One of my goals is to have a relatively high level of energy > > self-sufficiency (without going bankrupt since we currently don't have a > > ton of cash lying around). > > > > First question: does anyone know of any charts/statistics of household > > energy consumption. I'm not so much interested in kilowatthours per day, > > but rather how the usage is divided up. This will make it easier to plan > > what areas typically need to be improved. > > > > On another note, have any of you guys already looked at this: > > http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html. It's a fridge that uses only .1 > > kw-hours/day (that's around 37 per year, and at $.1/kWh, that's less > > than $4 year if you're on the grid). The idea is surprisingly simple. > > > > Another question: does anyone know how many kilowatt hours are stored in > > a "normal" car battery (a battery for a standard sedan, I suppose)? I've > > been thinking about hooking an inverter up to a car battery (or probably > > an array) to power various devices in the house. However, I don't know > > how much power is actually in a fully charged battery. > > Here would be one idea to charge the batteries: I just install a few > > extra alternators in my car, and have those charge the batteries which > > would be stored in the trunk. Assuming the car is running biodiesel, > > then the electricity would be produced by biodiesel. Does the idea sound > > reasonable? Or does it have too many drawbacks and pitfalls? Are there > > other 12V batties that are better designed for household-type uses? (12V > > so that I can charge it with an alternator, since I have a few > > alternators lying around, and can get them for near to free if I go for > > used). How long does it take to charge an empty car battery? If it > > doesn't take long, maybe I could build a simple treadmill-like device > > for the car, so the car spins a wheel, which in turn spins a dozen or so > > alternators to charge a dozen batteries at once. While it isn't the most > > efficient method, it would be cheap, since the motor would stay in the > > car, and the car would serve other purposes (that is, getting places). > > > > I guess that's it for now. If any of you guys have any tips for common > > sources of waste in a house, I'd be happy to hear them (I'm already > > planning a rainwater harvesting system and a greenhouse for winter food > > production). > > > > Thanks, > > -Michael > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Caustic Soda, Lye, Sodium Hydroxide
Yes Rob, 100% Sodium hydroxide is good quality lye. I can only find 97% pure without paying stupid money for it. Is your supplier very expensive? Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: Rob Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Caustic Soda, Lye, Sodium Hydroxide > Are Caustic Soda, Lye, and Sodium Hydroxide all the same thing? I called a > chemical supplier locally and he said he didn't sell Lye and I asked for > Caustic Soda and he had that. The bag says 100% Sodium Hydroxide. Would this > be acceptable to use for LYE? > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Portents of the upcoming Big One
Correct me if I am wrong, but history shows us that that following any war, you only get war crime trials for the leaders of the losing side. As the Anglo/US coalition can be deemed to have effectively won the war against Iraq, there will sadly be no war crime trials of it's leaders. Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: bmolloy To: Biofuel Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Portents of the upcoming Big One Hi All, This latest report from Pilger. Does this portend the Big One - a criminal trial of Western war leaders that would outshine Nuremberg? Bob. Date: Saturday, 29 October 2005 7:20 pm THE EPIC CRIME THAT DARES NOT SPEAK ITS NAME: John Pilger A Royal Air Force officer is about to be tried before a military court for refusing to return to Iraq because the war is illegal. Malcolm Kendall-Smith is the first British officer to face criminal charges for challenging the legality of the invasion and occupation. He is not a conscientious objector; he has completed two tours in Iraq. When he came home the last time, he studied the reasons given for attacking Iraq and concluded he was breaking the law. His position is supported by international lawyers all over the world, not least by Kofi Annan, the UN secretary general, who said in September last year: "The US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN Charter." The question of legality deeply concerns the British military brass, who sought Tony Blair's assurance on the eve of the invasion, got it and, as they now know, were lied to. They are right to worry; Britain is a signatory to the treaty that set up the International Criminal Court, which draws its codes from the Geneva Conventions and the 1945 Nuremberg Charter. The latter is clear: "To initiate a war of aggression... is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi leadership, counts one and two, "Conspiracy to wage aggressive war and waging aggressive war", refer to "the common plan or conspiracy". These are defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and assurances". A wealth of evidence is now available that George Bush, Blair and their advisers did just that. The leaked minutes from the infamous Downing Street meeting in July 2002 alone reveal that Blair and his war cabinet knew that it was illegal. The attack that followed, mounted against a defenceless country offering no threat to the US or Britain, has a precedent in Hitler's invasion of Sudetenland; the lies told to justify both are eerily similar. The similarity is also striking in the illegal bombing campaign that preceded both. Unknown to most people in Britain and America, British and US planes conducted a ferocious bombing campaign against Iraq in the ten months prior to the invasion, hoping this would provoke Saddam Hussein into supplying an excuse for an invasion. It failed and killed an unknown number of civilians. At Nuremberg, counts three and four referred to "War crimes and crimes against humanity". Here again, there is overwhelming evidence that Blair and Bush committed "violations of the laws or customs of war" including "murder... of civilian populations of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war". Two recent examples: the US onslaught near Ramadi this month in which 39 men, women and children - all civilians - were killed, and a report by the United Nations special rapporteur in Iraq who described the Anglo-American practice of denying food and water to Iraqi civilians in order to force them to leave their towns and villages as a "flagrant violation" of the Geneva Conventions. In September, Human Rights Watch released an epic study that documents the systematic nature of torture by the Americans, and how casual it is, even enjoyable. This is a sergeant from the US Army's 82nd Airborne Division: "On their day off people would show up all the time. Everyone in camp knew if you wanted to work out your frustration you show up at the PUC [prisoners'] tent. In a way it was sport... One day a sergeant shows up and tells a PUC to grab a pole. He told him to bend over and broke the guy's leg with a mini Louisville Slugger that was a metal [baseball] bat. He was the fucking cook!" The report describes how the people of Fallujah,
