[Biofuel] IRS, Highway Taxes and exemptions
I called the IRS a few weeks ago about the 600 gal personal use exemption on biodiesel I had been hearing about. The guy, an IRS specialist on excise taxes, had never heard of it and said he would get back to me. After about two weeks, he called me back, and told me my question had made it all the way to DC in a conference. And this is what he said. If you run SVO no exemption! If you blend, with - any amount - of petro diesel, there is a 400 gal per year exemption for personal highway use. If you go over that amount you are required to fill out an application as a blender and pay the .28 per gal excise tax quarterly. We had a very long and pleasant conversation about biodiesel, and near the end, he indicated that collecting excise tax on biodieselers was likely very low on non existent on the enforcement priority list. One other thing he brought up was, that auto conversion kits to run SVO currently violate EPA regulations, hefty fines could result from their use. I made a similar call to Montana Dept of Revenue (I live in Montana) and talked to the woman in charge of fuel excise taxes. She said that she had just finished making forms to pay the .24 per gal tax... After filling me in on the details, the upshot is, about .10 per gal for highway use, after credits. I asked her how may people in Montana are filing the forms and paying the tax. She said I was the third! The first two she found on a blog on-line. :-) Luke _ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme002001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=hmtagline ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO
Tom, I have a tank less hot water heater that I can easily adjust the temp from 100 to 176 F, I put the oil in a pete bottle, filled the sink with 176f water and set the bottle in it. I checked it after a few minutes and it was in the process of turning translucent. The next morning it had stratified as I indicated. I neglected to tell you that the white layer seem almost solid. When I tipped the bottle it wanted to stay in place. Later today I will pour it into a pan and see if I get any snap-crackle-pop, indicating that Andres is correct. I am using BD for a backup generator for my solar system. It can get very cold (sub zero) and my generator is in a shed attached to the house. Due to ventilation requirements it gets almost as cold in the shed. Now that I am 100% clean on the electrical side, I would love to reduce my propane use. I use propane for heat, and hot water. What kind of furnace are you using to burn BD? I am looking for some kind of free standing stove to heat our basement (which in turn will heat the house, I have in-floor propane heated hydronics in the basement floor, which I designed to then heat the whole house). We were planning to put in a wood stove, but after I started the BD project I am leaning hard toward an oil stove. Love to hear how bacon and egg exhaust goes. And lastly YOU BUSTED ME! (I don't titrate) I spent more than a week trying titration, and ended in total frustration. I could never get it to work. So using poor man titration, and lots of trial and error with the blender, I use the two stage process with beautiful results (passes the quality tests with flying colors). My formula is 10g KOH/1 liter Methanol. 25% Methoxide. 75% first stage - 25% second. 3 vigorous washes and its done! :-) Luke From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:35 -0400 Luke, So chicken fat it is. Maybe. Did you use bottom heat? as in a pot on the stove? If so, did it crackle a bit? Any water on the bottom? If you used a submersible heater, did bubbles form around the heating element? The white stuff , about 5%, might be water. I use 100% BD in my car until night temps get down around freezing (32F /~2C). I then go to a 70% BD : 30% winterized petro diesel blend. 32F is a good deal below the cloud point of my BD. (You can check your BD by putting it in the fridge, check occassionally, read temp when it starts to cloud.) I drive an '82 Mercedes 300SD. I think it would pump jello. Last year I winterized my BD as described at JTF. This year I have separated WVO with the lowest cloud point from WVO that clouds at high temps. When the temps go down, the stuff that clouds easily becomes heating fuel for my house ... tank in basement, the other stuff becomes BD for my car ... outside in the cold. I actually like BD made from the WVO w. chicken fat. The car exhaust smells more like a barbeque than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease solid, had to melt it. It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the morning. He has requested bacon and egg exhaust. Maybe this next batch will fit the bill. Good luck w the WVO By the way, what do you get for a titration on it? Tom - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Tom, I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then congelled again, this time in three layers, a bottom layer (about 5%) that looks like black solids, then a layer of something white (also about 5%) and the rest brown goo. But it looks like no water. So chicken fat it is. Any point in processing it seperately? Except to save the good stuff for winter use? At what outside temp do I need to be conserned about BD 100 gelling? Oh, and any idea what the white layer is? Thanks for your help. :-) Luke From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 Luke, If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have some animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make excellent warm weather fuel. Of course, it might be water. Heat a small sample to get the water to drop out. Take some of the dried WVO and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon cooling it probably contains animal fat. Tom - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO The waste veg oil
Re: [Biofuel] WVO
Tom, I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then congelled again, this time in three layers, a bottom layer (about 5%) that looks like black solids, then a layer of something white (also about 5%) and the rest brown goo. But it looks like no water. So chicken fat it is. Any point in processing it seperately? Except to save the good stuff for winter use? At what outside temp do I need to be conserned about BD 100 gelling? Oh, and any idea what the white layer is? Thanks for your help. :-) Luke From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 Luke, If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have some animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make excellent warm weather fuel. Of course, it might be water. Heat a small sample to get the water to drop out. Take some of the dried WVO and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon cooling it probably contains animal fat. Tom - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown non-translucent layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black solids on the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I havent run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. Is it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off the water? :-) Luke _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] WVO
The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown non-translucent layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black solids on the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I havent run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. Is it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off the water? :-) Luke _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Tom, Put it underground, most of the noise from a diesel is engine noise, build a little cement bunker it will make it great for winter use (easy starting and less gelling). Luke From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:38:30 -0400 Mike, I have a concern about noise from a generator. I live in a rural area closest neighbor is about .3 mi away. I live here because I like peace and quiet. I sometimes sit in the garden and listen to the caterpillars eating leaves on my trees. The friend who's offering the VW engine has a 12 or 15KW Changfa ... it's loud!!! My thinking is to build a small generator house into a slope on my property line the inside with foam or something to deaden the sound . muffler on the exhaust. The idea is to keep the heat on and the well pump going when there's an interuption in power. I'd like the energy for processing BD to come from a generator run on BD. I think solar will be part of my energy future (not including the plant middle man I already rely on). With improvements in batteries and inverters, it would seem possible to add PV arrays to supplement the diesel generator, and eventually take over. I know little about generators, PV arrays, batteries or inverters, but at this time last year I hadn't made anything bigger than 1L batches of BD, had never driven a diesel car, and knew nothing about nozzles, electrodes, or even what the little door on my furnace were for. A lot can happen in a year. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator I have a 4.7 HP Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100 amp GM alternator - I get about 1200 watts out of it. I think it would easily run a 200 amp, or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current. I expect it would handle 3000 - 4000 watts. It doesn't use much fuel but it is noisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are rural. -Mike ason Katie wrote: maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain maybe? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Using Pex?
Mike, Thanks for the info. I will let the list know how it holds up. Luke From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using Pex? Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:15:05 -0500 Luke, PEX should work OK, but the life span would depend on what it is exposed to. It is not good for long term outdoor use as UV breaks it down after several months in the sun. Also, it probably won't last too long if used for straight sodium methoxide or high strength sodium hydroxide service, but you may get a few months of continuous service before it fails. I do know that 50% sodium hydroxide breaks it down pretty quick (a couple of months). Heat and pressure will shorten the life further. It should hold up pretty well to the WVO and biodiesel. An interesting site, biodiesel reactor how to page, listed below shows PEX being used for a sight gauge on his processor tank. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor3.html I also found this: Joseph, Using polyethylene, cross linked pex tubing is rated for petrochemical use. you will have no problems using it for svo, or biodiesel fuel and processing. It is also rated for pressure and temperature,usually around 200 degress F.and 100 p.s.i. I use it in my business all the time. Good Luck and keep going!! D.Streeter by searching PEX in the lists search engine at the bottom of this page. Here is the link to the page quoted above: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37063.html PEX is basically a crosslinked polyethylene and polyethylene is basically a synthetic wax (chemically like wax) and is pretty resistant to many chemicals and solvents just like wax, but it is no where near as good as teflon or kynar for the straight sodium methoxide, sodium hydroxide. Also the standard 55 gallon plastic drums are made of HDPE (High Density PolyEthylene) which is what some of the PEX tubings are made out of (HDPE). Here is a site with some info on PEX, but I could not find an online chemical resistance chart for it. http://www.ppfahome.org/pex/faqpex.html Also, Nylon is probably even better than PEX. -Mike McGinness WM LUKE MATHISEN wrote: I have some PEX tubing left over from plumbing our house, any one with experience using PEX to build a processor? Will the lye react to it? I am thinking of using it to heat the processor from our tankless waterheater which we use to heat the floor, as well as for mixing. Also will a washing machine water pump work? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Using Pex?
I have some PEX tubing left over from plumbing our house, any one with experience using PEX to build a processor? Will the lye react to it? I am thinking of using it to heat the processor from our tankless waterheater which we use to heat the floor, as well as for mixing. Also will a washing machine water pump work? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PBS Green Building show
We just finished a new (fire killed log) home off the grid with a photovolitaic system, it was a lot of fun putting it together. Love to help if you have any questions. I have a diesel backup generator so thats how I got involved in the BioDiesel. Life is good (especially off the grid)! Luke From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PBS Green Building show Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:04:29 -0800 (PST) Mike, Thanks! I am adding to one of my homes. I am adding Solar and batteries to reduce my power bill and will now think about what I will use to the addition. Thanks, Jonathan Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.buildinggreentv.com/ Apparently PBS is picking up a 13 episode series about building green homes. It hasn't been scheduled yet but is supposed to be this summer. I'll keep my eye out for airdates and should be able to share the episodes. Mike Luich --- Producers Michael Mattioli and Kevin Contreras of Special Finish Films, present Building Green, the PBS home improvement television series about creating gorgeous homes that are healthier, more energy efficient, and better for the environment. Every phase of sustainable construction is presented by host Kevin Contreras, who explores green building from all angles, sharing information and showing lots of in depth, how-to build greener homes. Natural home products and techniques like straw bale building are covered in detail to show the infinite ways to build a healthy house. Segments like Saving Green and Easy Steps show viewers what they can do in real world circumstances to make choices to build green. Buildinggreentv.com is a guide to integrating green building products, services, and other resources into living green. Building Green World Premieres at the Santa Barbara Film Festival! Building Green Goes Mainstream At Building Green we are committed to bringing you the best information on technology, people, products, and ideas to make your home healthier, your life more enjoyable and your footprint lighter on the planet. That is why we are constantly talking to the best and brightest minds in green building, researching the newest inventions, rediscovering ancient techniques, and attending workshops and conferences around the world. We stay informed to keep you informed. Our projected air date is Summer 2006, and we are speaking with the most forward thinking corporations on the planet about joining forces to help bring the American people this vital information. Beyond that we are shooting more footage every week and turning out more episodes. We are pleased and honored to be doing this work to connect people with manufacturers, experts, and like-minded individuals to help create better living and working spaces for each person. We have been inundated by calls from friends like you about Building Green's growing popularity. We are so encouraged to find out about the great work being done around the country and world with respect to green building. Every week we read a new article about how it is becoming mainstream and see that people are ready for the significant changes green building is making our world. American business is learning that it is possible to do well by doing good with economics driving the market towards sustainability, creating positive social and environmental change in the process! Around the world businesses specializing in green products are popping up and doing very well. Architects and builders are becoming greener by the moment. International corporations are realizing that the market is demanding cleaner, greener products and watching that those companies conduct their business in ways that are more environmentally friendly. We want people to know that Building Green is about mindful choices, addressing family health and quality of life issues with every decision made within any given budget. In this case, it definitely is the thought that counts!! What we think, do, and teach shapes the universe in powerfully profound ways beyond our imagination and comprehension. We hope that we can help direct this power to ends that benefit us as a planet, as humans, and as living beings on this earth, stewards of her delicately balanced and integrated beauty, giving back no more than what we take, keeping and honoring that balance with every concious act. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
with no ill effects. Good luck. Gene, from the wild beaches of San Diego,CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
I would much rather be in a heated area than a hated area... What I really want to know is how much time would I be spending to produce 100 gal of B100 per month? Luke - Original Message - From: stephan torakmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/28/2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Hi again No, hating the BD production area won't do, I meant HEATING Sorry. stephan torak wrote: Hi Darryl! Running the generator on SVO seems a good idea, on the other hand, should you get into BD making- Jeep came out with the Liberty CRD - a common rail diesel design, and possibly of interest to you, up there in Montana. Common rail diesels probably won't run on SVO, but they do run on BD. So then, getting into the BD may be what you wantto do. The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. And this is another consideration, converting the generator to SVO doesn't take as much time as getting started with BD. Happy planning!Stephan Darryl McMahon wrote: Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#starthttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much t I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Set up help
Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
