RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
Look pal, speaking as one of Mike's Michigan homeboys, you and I are gonna throw down. When Mike says, "The facts are true, the opinions are mine," he means it. If you have a mental disorder that distorts your analytical skills to the point where you can't tell fact from opinion, then you really should only read Mike's books or watch his films under the supervision of a trained mental health specialist. Until you're ready to seek mental health services, I suggest you go back to your flock of ostriches and stick your head back in the sands of the mainstream media informational wasteland. Now that I've unloaded the emotional baggage, as far as drug related violence is concerned, Uncle Sam is the supreme aggressor in the drug war. He's got over 1.6 million American drug war POW's serving up to 20 year mandatory minimum sentences in his domestic prisons, while he considers a national average half million annual deaths due to the use of legally condoned alcohol and tobacco an acceptable loss. Prisons on American soil are every bit as nasty and brutal as Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray. Another similarity between domestic and offshore prisons under US control, is that the vast majority of inmates happen to have dark skin. Prison labor is nothing more than modernized institutional slavery. Well known consumer products such as Victoria's Secret intimate apparel are manufactured by these modern-day slaves on the promise of early release, in exchange for ghostly pennies per hour that are garnished as fast as they're earned to pay court imposed fines. I think President Lincoln would roll over in his grave if he could see this ironic abuse of the lowest valued coin in the American monetary system that bears his likeness. In my opinion, rounding people up and warehousing them under lock and key, razor wire, tons of concrete, and chain link fencing in government operated sweatshops as punishment for harming themselves is the wrong approach. Drug policy funding should be immediately and completely diverted from law enforcement, judicial, and correctional agencies into education and health care agencies, as well as voluntary at-risk youth diversion programs providing job skills training at an early age, to effectively manage the problem of drug abuse and addiction in America. Schools and clinics are less expensive to build and operate than prisons, and they're a net asset, rather than a net liability to the community. To rehabilitate a person is to return them to a previous state of ability from their current state of disability. Therefore, we must thoroughly habilitate our youth now to avoid their possible rehabilitation in adulthood. The old clich about the difficulties of imparting amusing behaviors to aged canines is just plain common sense. This drug war phenomenon has its roots in the American slave trade. The upper economic class of the Southern states were the region's majority of agrarian slave and land owners. Their eventual secession in the mid 19th century and the resulting war to preserve the union hinged on the 10th Amendment right of the states, or the people, to govern themselves within the confines of the US Constitution, which until later amended, institutionalized inequality by requiring the slave to be counted in the national census as only 60 percent human, and expressly forbidding altogether the inclusion of the untaxed indigenous population in the census, thereby relegating them to the status of wild beasts. This is ironic, in that there are numerous references, both in print and on the internet, including the assertions of President Kennedy in the introduction to the 1961 Dell paperback edition of The American Heritage Book of Indians by William Brandon, to Iroquois and other tribal influences in the shaping of ideas of democracy in the infancy of this country that we can now call the only nuclear military superpower nation-state in the world. Today we count people of color in America, be they indigenous in origin or those whose ancestors were kidnapped from their native lands to be used as human workhorses, as equals. But a fair head count is where the equality really stops, and that, in my opinion is unequivocally wrong and insidiously evil. As a lifelong resident of the state that gave birth to the Republican Party, I've studied its history even though, in my opinion, many of the planks in its current platform are old and infested with termites. While still in its infancy, the Grand Old Party learned that violence is a good way to solve problems. To carry the insect metaphor further, my personal view of human combat in general leads me to conclude the possibility that human evolution hasn't yet reached the point where it has completely eliminated chromosomes left over from the colonial insect branch of our prehistoric family tree. Those who view war as a profitable venture, in my opinion, are possibly more genetically primitive than others who view peace as the ideal. Ameri
RE: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
If I were in Dubya's shoes, which are more than likely too small for me anyway, I would have said, "Hey kids, I'm really sorry, but I've got to go take care of something real important, it's something that Presidents have to do from time to time." (pause for the 2nd grade whines of disappointment to subside) "I'll tell you what though, I'll have my assistant, Mr. Card here, schedule your whole class to come and visit me at the White House in a couple months. How's that sound?" (pause for 2nd grade cheers of excitement to subside) "Ok! Great! We'll see you then! Bye now!" and exit as quickly and quietly as possible. How long would that take? 30 seconds? A minute tops. When you're the Commander in Chief of the United States, The ability to think and act quickly and decicively in a crisis situation is not just a good quality, it's an essential quality. One that Bush hasn't shown any evidence of possessing. By the way, I wish you'd have given me your question in written form... Oh, wait, you just did... DUH! Will "I'm not a president, but I play one online" Dwyer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:43 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I would certainly like to hear what you would have done in that situation. If he had jumped up and ran out of the room he would have caused panic. Of course then everyone on the left would say he showed bad form. If he made a statement right then and there, he would be speaking on almost no information. There was nothing he could do from where he was, there was nothing anyone could do. Perhaps he should have run to the local phone booth switched outfits and flown out to save the day, but aside from that, everyone was entirely helpless. Honestly, I don't think I'll be voting for Bush, but I don't think he did anything wrong before, during and the period after, 9/11. I don't think anyone would have, or could have done anything better without a seer to predict the future. My problems lie with his justifications for the Iraq war, buts thats another issue entirely. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Pouring petrol on the flames RE: Fahrenheit 9/11
Unless you're willing to add people like Dr. King to your list of hell raisers and agitators, I could care less what you think of Mike. I will staunchly defend Mr. Moore's credibility as a fellow Michigander who has seen firsthand the stark contrast between what Flint once was, and what it became when General Motors pulled out. The official unemployment rate for Flint when Mike was filming Fahrenheit 9/11 was around 20%. However, unofficial estimates which include those who hadn't found work by the time their unemployment benefits ran out, puts the actual number for that time period at a more realistic 50% unemployed or underemployed (e.g. single parents working on a Chicken McNugget assembly line for $5.15/hr gross with no health benefits. At those wages, depending on local pricing, it can easily take more than an hour's worth of gross pay to afford a Quarter Pounder with Cheese, medium size "freedom" fries, and a medium Coke!). At least Henry Ford had enough common sense to pay his workers enough to be able to afford to buy the cars they built. Unfortunately for Flint, former GM president and CEO Roger Smith never learned that important business lesson. I heard Mike give a speech at Michigan State University last winter. During the audience question and answer period before he left the podium, someone asked him what we could do to rebuild Flint. Before Mike even opened his mouth to answer the question, another audience member blurted out, "Bulldoze it!" While emphatically disagreeing with the heckler's destructive non-solution, he had to unfortunately conclude that economic recovery for the City of Flint, Michigan won't become reality in the foreseeable future as long as the corporate tax structure continues to reward industry for eliminating American jobs in favor of cheaper foreign labor. Unfortunately, the post-cold war Republican Party has forgotten many of the speeches and writings of, in my opinion the last decent Republican President to serve America, General Dwight D. Eisenhower. In 1953, after breaking the grip of a Democratic Party hold on the Presidency that started 20 years prior (FDR/Truman combined terms ran from 1933 to 1953) and ushered in the Cold War, he had the wisdom to pull in the reins on the warhorses of industry in the interest of peace. During his Military service in the European and African theatres of World War II, he saw firsthand the hideous consequences of the merger of corporate influence (including the influence of members of the Bush family dating back to their Civil War era railroad interests) and military force. Say what you will about Mike, but in my opinion, he is to the dwindling working class of America what Dr. King was to African Americans in his time. Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." The Bush administration has removed the velvet glove from the iron fist and slapped it across the face of the average American in a brazen challenge of the ultimate authority We the People exercise at the ballot box. Furthermore, they have deliberately and premeditatively manipulated America's economy in a concerted effort to limit employment options, toward the ultimate goal of making cannon fodder an attractive job title for many able-bodied Americans. As Abraham Lincoln, another Republican President, indeed the very first member of the Grand Old Party that has become a Greedy Oil Party to claim the title, once said, "Ballots are the rightful and peaceful successor to bullets." Michael Moore is a true visionary leader in the fight to preserve and defend the benefits of liberty and democracy for the American proletariat from America's increasingly greedy, bloodthirsty, and fascist bourgeoisie. Just my $0.02 Will Dwyer, Activist and e-commerce entrepreneur Charlotte, Michigan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fahrenheit 9/11 Yeah, it is a little slanted isn't it? I for one do not care to see the country made over into the image that Michael Moore would like to see. I have seen pictures of that punk from his high school days reminds me too much of the hell raisers and agitators that are largely responsible for doing away with a number of the traditions and morals of this country. He still looks it, just older and uglier and fatter. Cliff Jobe > Subject: Fahrenheit 9/11 > > Went to see this last night with my son (age 14). He thought it was "awesome". > Unfortunately, I could not interest any of the women in the party (my > wife and > sisters) in seeing it, so they went to something fluffy (multi-screen cinema). > > For those that don't know, this is a Michael Moore movie that touches > on the > American political scene since the last federal election, including > the Florida > voting fiasco, and the media-supported disinformatio
