Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions
Wow, great infothanks for the cookbook type info that really helped me see how you did this.A while back I read your mentioning about this stirrer - heater. Icould not find iton your site and didn't have time soI refrained from asking more details. Now this finds me at the right time andwith the type of directions that I really like. Gary - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions Hi Darryl;Sorry for the confusion. The point is that a good reaction will leave you with a good separation between the esters (fuel) and everything else which makes up the 'glycerin cocktail', and when water is introduced, there should be next to no third layer but the absolute thickness of the layer, if you see one, will depend on the dimensions of the container, all other factors being equal. As to the previous statements you made about inconsistent information on how to do the process, my best advice is to follow explicitly the instructions on the J2F website starting from the begining and you will do just fine.In my own journey of discovery I learned this. You cannot afford to cut corners. Don't be tempted to use less than accurate measures and think that it will be alright. There is no cheating. I found that my success depended a lot on how careful I was with the titration step. Also I found that when the 0.1% base solution was added there was a tendancy for some oil to drop out and I think this affected my accuracy. I built a stirrer to keep the liquid in the test tube very well agitated during the titration and this helped a lot as I could tell by the consistency when I repeated the titration several times. If you want a description of how to make a very low cost titration kit check my website at http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Titrator.html Get a pipette marked in 0.1ml increments and a control bulb and it will make things easy and very accurate, for an investment of about 30 bucks.Another huge factor for me in getting complete reactions once I scaled up from the one liter size was the discovery that the methoxide had to be injected into the inlet of the mixing pump. I had tried other methods of introducing the methoxide which were not very successful. Methoxide and oil do not mix easily. By introducing the methoxide at the pump inlet, the pump impeller ensured vigorous mixing which made a huge difference for me. With hindsight the instructions do say that thorough mixing is of critical importance but the point is I thought that recirculation alone would be enough to do the job and clearly it wasn't with my setup. If you stick to what the instructions tell you it will work. Same goes for the quality tests. If you get quick separation and do not develop a third layer and the water stays clear you have good fuel. This is subjective and the absolute time required for the settling will vary depending on the severity of the agitation, but overall the statement holds. So as to your last question if after 3 or 4 washes your water is coming out clear then it sounds great. Perhaps what you saw as a 5 cm layer was a mixture of water and oil due to excessive agitation which just took a little longer to settle. Did you shake for more than ten seconds?JoeDarryl West wrote: I have found this an interesting discussion, which has left me a little more confused about what I need to do. I am gathering the take home message from my original question is that the Dr Peppers technique might not be the best one and that I need to look more at my over all process to reduce the amount of unprocessed materials. Could you guys maybe suggest what are the best measurements (recipes) to use to try and achieve a nearly complete reaction with virgin oil. I am very new to this and am really just looking to get it right before trying to scale it all up, but I am finding that there is some much information out there and a lot of it seems to be inconsistent with other things that I read. Also the container that I did the quality wash was a 250ml soda bottle. I went back and had a look at it again yesterday and the 5cm layer is now almost none existentÂ….so I guess going back to my original question is would this be ok to wash, dry and use? Cheers Darryl From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe StreetSent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:56 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions Todd;With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily
Re: [Biofuel] VW GOLF MK3 TURBO DIESEL CONVERSION
Check out http://www.tdiclub.com/tdifest/index.html for lots of info on VW's and some distributors of heaters for fuel filters, lines and tanks. I got to visit there festival last year where they have lots of help like this but there forum works well also, Hope this helps, Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] VW GOLF MK3 TURBO DIESEL CONVERSION HI THERE! I WILL BE SOON STARTING MY FIRST BIO DIESEL PRODUCTION FOR MY CAR A MARK 3 GOLF TD. I AM INTERESTED IF ANYONE HAS THE SAME AND WHAT CONVERSIONS EG 'ELSBETT' ARE POSSIBLY WORTH GOING FOR. I WILL PROBABLY START USING SVO TO START WITH, MAKING BIODIESEL THE TRANSESTERIFICATION ROUTE WHEN I HAVE MADE MY PROCESSOR. JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO OFFER ANY HINTS OR TIPS CHEERS TIM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
I'd be interested also. Please provide info on payment. Thanks, Gary - Original Message - From: Evergreen Solutions To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] lye supply Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad.Our cooperative here just made arrangements for continuing, large scale NaOH delivery from a large chemical supply company. As an effort to share this with the community, we're prepared to offer it to homebrewers for $2 a pound plus shipping (and shipping is apparently about $6 most of the time). You might be able to find it cheaper locally, and if so I applaud you and please disregard this message. Shipping is the real killer. If you're interested, toss me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll go from there. I'm not sure yet whether it's flake or pellet, but I'll assume that it's flake since it's low-cost and bulk.If enough people are interested, we'll put up a website or something similar, maybe run it through ebay or something for security.~Thanks!~ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
Hi Juan, the process that Joe is using is so... much more advanced than where I'm at, I'm justresearchingadvanced processes here.I defer to others more information. Gary - Original Message - From: Juan B To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process Hello Joe, Gary and David, I was reading your post and it was a symphony to my eyes and mind. I am really interested in this process and I would like to know more about it. I would like to know where I could find more information related to this kind of reaction or process.Thank you Juan On 10/24/05, garutek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to throw my cents worth out without having much of a clue about whatresults you are looking for exactly.From what I know and if melting of the conductors is a concern. A high gradeof graphite has a melting point roughly 4 times that of oxygen free copper. if interested try a machine shop for used electrodes."just interested and surfing the future"Gary- Original Message -From: "Joe Street" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:33 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process Well here is an update for what it's worth; I have been conducting experiments in a test tube with 20 ml new canola oil and fresh industrial grade methanol.As per the suggestion I started with smaller electrode gap and lower voltage to obtain the 15 to 20 v/mm field strength as required in the abstract.Electrode configuration is a rod sharpened to a point to concentrate field strength adjacent to a flat plate.Electrode material is copper. Mixture is an emulsion of 20% (v/v) methanol agitated by a stir bar and heated to 60 degrees centigrade. With a gap of 1mm I increased the applied voltage eventually to 120 Vdc which is the limit of my (little) supply.There was very little current (in the tens of microamperes) at this stage.I expected to see bubbles at the anode but the cloudiness of the emulsion made this difficult.A solution with disolved methanol saturated (I do not know the exact percentage as some methanol remained undisolved on the surface) which is optically clear did not exhibit any gas generation. Next I increased the gap to 3 mm and brought out the scary supply.I installed a 300 ma fuse at the HV output to protect the innocent and a milliameter.Then, fire extinguisher in hand, I tried again.At roughly 2kv the dielectric breakdown occured with 3mm gap for a Vbr of about 670 V/mm.Of course there were many bubbles in that case.No explosion though which was nice.Interestingly the protection fuse was not taken out by the arc whch was my expectation.At this point I do not know if this fact is due to the internal resistance of the supply limiting current to a value the fuse could handle for the brief duration of the arc or whether current was limited by conditions within the arc. I will have to do a short circuit test of the supply tonight to find out if it really has the balls to do 300 mA as I expect it should. Since the abstract calls for 100% conversion and with excess methanol a etherified glycerine which remains in solution, it is not clear what to expect the end result to look like.There should not be a separation of layers as in the traditional chemically catalyzed reaction.Since I do not see bubbles I do not think much is happening. I wish I knew more chemistry.I expect the reaction should take place on the surface of the anode and it should not be in the presence of an arc.Close observation at the tip at a voltage just below breakdown reveals a tiny whisker of something black (carbon??) grows towards the cathode and dances in the swirling current until it gets close enough and precipitates another arc.This could be something very interesting but I expect it has nothing to do with fuel :-( . The abstract does talk about very high temperatures at the anode surface and a strong oxidizing environment which makes me wonder if an arc is supposed to be sustained?Anyone on the list care to comment? Asside from proton NMR at this point I do not know how to shed more light on the contents of the test tube after these shocking experiments.This will require negotiations and the consumption of beer... I wish I had some exciting news Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Hi Joe; Right.The abstract talks about a relationship between higer voltages and longer carbon chains in the ester which translates into higher fuel energy content (cetane rating?I don't know if that is equiva
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
Just to throw my cents worth out without having much of a clue about what results you are looking for exactly. From what I know and if melting of the conductors is a concern. A high grade of graphite has a melting point roughly 4 times that of oxygen free copper. if interested try a machine shop for used electrodes. just interested and surfing the future Gary - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process Well here is an update for what it's worth; I have been conducting experiments in a test tube with 20 ml new canola oil and fresh industrial grade methanol. As per the suggestion I started with smaller electrode gap and lower voltage to obtain the 15 to 20 v/mm field strength as required in the abstract. Electrode configuration is a rod sharpened to a point to concentrate field strength adjacent to a flat plate. Electrode material is copper. Mixture is an emulsion of 20% (v/v) methanol agitated by a stir bar and heated to 60 degrees centigrade. With a gap of 1mm I increased the applied voltage eventually to 120 Vdc which is the limit of my (little) supply. There was very little current (in the tens of microamperes) at this stage. I expected to see bubbles at the anode but the cloudiness of the emulsion made this difficult. A solution with disolved methanol saturated (I do not know the exact percentage as some methanol remained undisolved on the surface) which is optically clear did not exhibit any gas generation. Next I increased the gap to 3 mm and brought out the scary supply. I installed a 300 ma fuse at the HV output to protect the innocent and a milliameter. Then, fire extinguisher in hand, I tried again. At roughly 2kv the dielectric breakdown occured with 3mm gap for a Vbr of about 670 V/mm. Of course there were many bubbles in that case. No explosion though which was nice. Interestingly the protection fuse was not taken out by the arc whch was my expectation. At this point I do not know if this fact is due to the internal resistance of the supply limiting current to a value the fuse could handle for the brief duration of the arc or whether current was limited by conditions within the arc. I will have to do a short circuit test of the supply tonight to find out if it really has the balls to do 300 mA as I expect it should. Since the abstract calls for 100% conversion and with excess methanol a etherified glycerine which remains in solution, it is not clear what to expect the end result to look like. There should not be a separation of layers as in the traditional chemically catalyzed reaction. Since I do not see bubbles I do not think much is happening. I wish I knew more chemistry. I expect the reaction should take place on the surface of the anode and it should not be in the presence of an arc. Close observation at the tip at a voltage just below breakdown reveals a tiny whisker of something black (carbon??) grows towards the cathode and dances in the swirling current until it gets close enough and precipitates another arc. This could be something very interesting but I expect it has nothing to do with fuel :-( . The abstract does talk about very high temperatures at the anode surface and a strong oxidizing environment which makes me wonder if an arc is supposed to be sustained? Anyone on the list care to comment? Asside from proton NMR at this point I do not know how to shed more light on the contents of the test tube after these shocking experiments. This will require negotiations and the consumption of beer... I wish I had some exciting news Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Hi Joe; Right. The abstract talks about a relationship between higer voltages and longer carbon chains in the ester which translates into higher fuel energy content (cetane rating? I don't know if that is equivalent I am no chemist). I suspect the issue is more I missed the beginning of the thread, but it sounds like you're on a great test to see if you can refine something with an electric field. I just wanted to make two comments to try and help. 1) Cetane rating is a measure of the ignitability of the fuel. A high cetane rating is good in a diesel engine because it means the fuel starts combustion as soon as it's injected. It's the opposite of octane, which is a measure of a fuels ability to not ignite. Neither has anything to do with energy content, they're just measures of ignition properties. 2) If you're looking for electrochemical effects they're quite certainly subject to electric field strength, not absolute voltage differential. This is how you can scale production: move the plates twice as far apart and you can get twice the fuel through it. But you'll need twice the voltage to maintain E (electric field strength). You made a reference
Re: [Biofuel] Purity of KOH
Just started this weekend. HEY, Thanks Keith and Everybody! Good night Good weekend. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Purity of KOH I for one am grateful for all of the information JTF is providing us FREE OF CHARGE. It is so easy to be critical and it takes a little effort and perhaps you might have to massage a few brain cells in order to appreciate everything JTF is giving us here. I don't have any problems following the instruction. Thanks Kieth for a wonderful web site... Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:07 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Purity of KOH Hi everyone My wife and I worked on titration until pretty late last night, at least late for me. I am a morning person and I pruned and thinned a massive area of Piñon Cedar wood and then loaded it prior to beginning our first titration of WVO. I say this because I'd rather not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my labwork. Tired is all. Anyway, yesterday evening we finally had all of the equipment and chemicals in place. Saturday morning, I did some test runs using the TI-83 Vernier LabPro Data logger. It is the Vernier Data Logger that is the most useful of the two for our needs. It has a USB interface and the data logger software was easy enough to figure out. I started out with the stainless-steel temperature sensor as we have a decent thermometer to check against. Very nice readout on the screen and easy to understand. I then removed the pH sensor from its soaking bath bottle. We set it in tap water first and got a pH reading of 7.5, rinsed it in distilled water and gently cleaned it with a paper towel, next dipping the sensor end in fresh distilled water, pH 7. With readings of that which we could expect, we then moved on to basic titration. If you all will bear with me a moment, I do have some questions. I will intertwine my questions right into the JtF web site directions for basic titration. Our hope is to clarify these directions for ourselves and for other newbies as well. We believe that there are several statements found here and in the email list which are contradictory at best. Basic titration An electronic pH meter is best, but you can also use pH test strips (or litmus paper), or phenolphthalein solution (from a chemicals supplier). I suggest sorting the test equipment according to preference. We were ridiculed for using litmus paper. Why list it second if it is preferred as a third choice? Phenolphthalein sounds very interesting. Why not give more information on the setup and use of this test? Yes we followed the links. Dissolve 1 gram of lye in 1 liter of distilled or de-ionized water (0.1% w/v lye solution). Here, according to JtF, we are in the absolute most important first step Titration, which a newbie is going to perform! Standard procedure in all technical writing as far as I am aware it to define all abbreviations Why throw out a statement like: (0.1% w/v lye solution) and not simply define (w/v?) This is making an already completely new process unnecessarily cloudy in the mind of the newbies. Ok, this is the second sentence in a half page description of how to do the most important step in making biodiesel. In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of dewatered WVO oil in 10 ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and the mixture turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Smaller beaker than what? WVO oil is redundant. Again, if the pH Meter is the best tool and listed first in the sentence above, why are we jumping back to phenolphthalein? If this is the preferred test, why not say so in the first sentence? Using a graduated syringe, add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time. It might turn a bit cloudy, keep stirring. Keep on carefully adding the lye solution until the solution stays pink (actually magenta) for 15 seconds. See above. We are using a continuous readout pH meter. What is the pH we are looking for here! Yes Keith, layered information is great, but why push it when it is unnecessary? We are jumping all over the place in order to do one simple step. Different methods are combined in the same paragraph. This could be the reason newbies are confused. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 (the basic amount of lye needed for virgin oil). This is the number of grams of lye you'll need per liter of oil. Sheesh, I am sorry, but I have a question about every sentence in this basic titration. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 ?? This is sloppy writing. Are you saying add a
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
If the question that is being asked is about using diesel ( bio or petrol) for cutting oil. Yes it can be used but, Coolant serves 2 purposes in machining. The first is to cool materials below any material - size or material property changing temperature. The second is to remove chips. That's it! There are special coolants (Vegetable or lard) for special materials (bronze) or unique situations but this is really on the extreme. straight oil is not normally used because of costs, straight water is not used because of rust. If this is for developing country use any fluid will work as long as the fluid is not explosive or cost prohibitive. If the question is concerning heat and explosion dangers. The ratio of air to fuel is a really good question That I cannot answer. Machining chip heat can exceed 1000 degrees F easily with a high performance machine tool and good conditions. Actually 5000 F is not at all unheard of when not using coolant on purpose with small chip loads and hard materials, highly specialized materials, * dull tools or tooling crashes. Depending on the volume of coolant and air ratio there could be trouble. Trouble only in extreme situations though, going by how I believe the machine will be used I feel the temps should be 500 F or less. Please contact me for any more info. Gary - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?
I just found this also http://www.bestlabdeals.com/Centrifuges_s/8297.htm I was looking for a set of beakers for my first batch not a centrifuge. Good luck, Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges? dairys use a centrifuge to seperate the cream from the milk. small, home use ones are numerous on ebay. Dear All- I'm helping to set up a small scale (about 5-8 thousand gallons per year) processing unit at Rice University. This is a completely student run project, and we've got most of the kinks worked out. One problem we have is that one of the colleges on campus somehow manages to produce WVO that has a large quantity of water and fries, batter, etc in it. So we don't have to waste energy to de-water by heating, or spend a few weeks settling (we are somewhat limited on space) the gunk out, I'd like to use a small scale centrifuge to remove water and junk from the oil. Problem is, the only ones I can seem to find are either for use in cars or are much more than we need. Does anyone out there have a source for a centrifuge that can process about 5-10 gpm? Cheers! - Matt Yarrison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ian's methode
Thanks, very much. I found and read it again today, there is so much information that I got temporarily confused. I will start with a single stage process shortly. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ian's methode Could I get some information about why the plans for Ian's methods http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor2.html for a vacuum processor uses Sulphuric Acid methoxide rather than Lye? in simple terms. Thanks, Gary At the top of the page it says: Process based on Aleks Kac's 2-stage acid-base process With a link to here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html Where it says at the top: NOTE: The two-stage biodiesel processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. Start here. Not for novices: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart Here being here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Please read. Otherwise, start with the process, not the processor. That said, you can use Ian's processor with any of the usual processes. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ian's methode
Could I get some information about why the plans for Ian's methods http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor2.htmlfor a vacuum processor uses Sulphuric Acid methoxide rather than Lye? in simple terms. Thanks, Gary ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD anti gel
Jeff, Firstly, I really have been spending all my available time reading posts here I mean researching my first system.My question is with additives can Bio be used in colder climates?any stats on that? Possibly some others like us colder folks behind the cheese curtain, could buy from that barrel. I know that I would if I could use Bio fuel during our colder weather. Gary, P.S. first post - Original Message - From: JEFF IHDE To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BD anti gel As it is mid September in Wisconsin our temperature this morning was 45F/ 7C. I have been using BD for the past several months with good results. I would like to continue using BD into the colder months. After looking at the antigel products listed at JTF the Wintron product seems to be cost prohibitive. The Lubrizol rep. quoted me a price of $22 per gal. A good price but the only package they offer is a 55 gallon drum. Artic Express has a 2-2.5 gallon package. I am having a hard time with thedealer that handles their product in my area. Does anyone have a source for any of these products? Is there someone out there that bought 55 gallons of Lubrizol that would be willing to sell 5 gallons? ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
