Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
It would make things a lot easier if life were such that woes were solved in 30 minutes as on TV, but we all know that's not the case. Unfortunately, for every 'enlightened' person that I come across who is interested in alternative fuels, sustainability, and environmental responsibility - there are 12 more who think it is the 'God-given right' (those aren't my words) to drive an SUV that gets 1 HWY/0 city. There seem to only be a few ways to actually institute *the change* - 1. Get those in power to force it through 2. Rally enough people behind the cause to make it inevitable or 3. Run out of oil (etc...) What are the initiatives that will drive the average citizen to want to back this movement? Shannon > Can't quite connect with all the metaphors Joe. But the inevitable end > of the Leibermans of the world failing to address reality is rather > obvious. Too bad that old geezers such as he won't have to reap what he > helps sew. > > Todd Swearingen > > Joe Street wrote: > >> Ok so if we follow this line of thought to it's logical conclusion >> where do we end up Todd? Yeah I know, 'The dark side'. Maybe the dark >> side is where the real Jedi warriors reside and everyone has been >> brainwashed to believe the opposite. It's the bizzarro world where >> white is really black and black is really white. Funny thing is this >> was actually foretold in the Tao Teh Ching (for whatever that is >> worth to modern society) There was a great scene in the movie "The >> Matrix" where the human race is compared to a virus, which espouses ( >> I assume) the same sentiment as Abbey (which I have not read). And >> then there's "If you are not with us you are against us" It's as >> scary as if you had swallowed a pill and have to ride out the >> consequences no matter how terrible the trip. Even if you discover >> the train is on a track to disaster there is no getting off this >> train. The only hope is to dream up a way to entice enough of the >> passengers away from the onboard entertainment to perhaps overwhelm >> the engineer and apply the brakes! What we need, going back to the >> Matrix analogy is a really good 'red pill'. Perhaps social and >> economic collapse is just the ticket. Throw in a few wars and a few >> good plagues in the mix and perhaps what comes out the other side will >> be more sensible. If any of us or our children are left to see it. >> Sorry I guess I'm not in the most optimistic mood this morning. I >> forgot to take my blue pill. >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> Appal Energy wrote: >> >> Snip >> >>>Remember now. All this is predicated on mindless, cancerous, >>>all-consuming economic growth in the "traditional" manner. >>> >>>Me thinks Dick "Numb Nuts" Cheney needs to read a little Edward Abbey, >>>who made the casual and rather definitive observation that "Growth for >>>growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell." >>> >>>Todd Swearingen >>> >>> >>> Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe >But we can do even better dramatically better with the plug-in > hybrid >that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in > your >car during off peak hours when power is in surplus and cheaper > would >soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in > your >cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can > be the >equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. > > > > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>> messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforev
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Running B20
I agree, I will definately wait until I have more data... Nothing has changed, just the usual routes. The AC could be a factor, I never use it - but the fiance *needs* it! I'm wondering if I should have my fuel filters changed or anything along those lines? Thanks for your help! Shanon On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:11:17 -0400, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Never believe a single tank. > > I'd give it 5 tanks or so, because frankly, there is no reason you > should see such a dramatic drop with biodiesel. Are you certain you > didn't short fill the tank? Have your driving conditions changed? More > AC, shorter trips, more stop n' go traffic? > > jh > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just began running B20 in my Beetle and have seen a 18% decrease in > > my fuel efficiency...is this normal? I've read about a 1-5% loss, but > > 18% seemed a bit high. I'm using a soybean based biodiesel that I am > > purchasing. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Shannon > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Running B20
Hi all, I just began running B20 in my Beetle and have seen a 18% decrease in my fuel efficiency...is this normal? I've read about a 1-5% loss, but 18% seemed a bit high. I'm using a soybean based biodiesel that I am purchasing. Any ideas? Thanks, Shannon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Freezing
Hello All, There is a producer of Biodiesel in my area (Finally!). I am thinking of buying it bulk (in 55 gallon drums) to keep in my garage. I am unable to produce myself, so I need to purchase. As of yet, there are no actually fueling stations, so buying in bulk is my only option. I am apprehensive because the man who runs the station told me that B100 freezes in the wintertime, that is something I wasn't aware of. Have you encountered that, and what do you do to get around it? I live in Wisconsin, winter lasts at least half of the year. I don't want to use biodiesel in the summer and then switch to regular diesel in the winter. Any suggestions, or insight? Thanks a lot, Shannon Helvey ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
