Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Zeke,By US manufacturers I was referring to auto manufacturers, not just diesel engines. I have an old Ford with an International engine. I'm sure the fuel system would dissolve after a few months of biodiesel. WillOn 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Don't know about international, but I have a friend running biodiesel in a 1985 GM 6.5 liter diesel, haven't heard of any problems yet. He did have international before that, but it was too hard to work on. glow plugs hidden inside the valve covers or something... My old VW fuel system is rapidly dissolving under B100. Blew two of the injector return lines yesterday afternoon, the rubber is more like sticky black goo now. guess it's time to buy some viton. On 8/7/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke,By US manufacturers I was referring to auto manufacturers, not just diesel engines. I have an old Ford with an International engine. I'm sure the fuel system would dissolve after a few months of biodiesel. WillOn 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
When I was bubble washing a test batch I used a rubber band to tie something heavy to the end of the air house. When I took the hose out a few days later, the rubber band had basically melted. If I have problems with my Ford's fuel system, how difficult would it be to replace myself. I'm fairly handy. On 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about international, but I have a friend running biodiesel in a 1985 GM 6.5 liter diesel, haven't heard of any problems yet. He did have international before that, but it was too hard to work on. glow plugs hidden inside the valve covers or something... My old VW fuel system is rapidly dissolving under B100. Blew two of the injector return lines yesterday afternoon, the rubber is more like sticky black goo now. guess it's time to buy some viton. On 8/7/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke,By US manufacturers I was referring to auto manufacturers, not just diesel engines. I have an old Ford with an International engine. I'm sure the fuel system would dissolve after a few months of biodiesel. WillOn 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
