[Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Partial-Birth Abortion > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools > > President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed > > > > Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders > > President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand > > > > Asking for God's blessing on America > > President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often > > > > Federal Judges > > President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God." John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. > > > > Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ > > President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. > > > > Overall Record > > President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. >> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Ken
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Hallo , Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote: TW> Election Voter Guide TW> Depending on the way you lean, the following information TW> could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. TW> Issues of Importance? Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion. What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort. Happy Happy, Gustl TW> Gay Marriage TW> > > TW> President Bush is opposed TW> John Kerry favors TW> > > TW> > > TW> Partial-Birth Abortion TW> > > TW> President Bush is opposed TW> John Kerry favors TW> > > TW> > > TW> Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools TW> > > TW> President Bush Favors TW> John Kerry is Opposed TW> > > TW> > > TW> Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout TW> Leaders TW> > > TW> President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand TW> John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand TW> > > TW> > > TW> Asking for God's blessing on America TW> > > TW> President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches TW> John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often TW> > > TW> > > TW> Federal Judges TW> > > TW> President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our TW> rights TW> are derived from God." TW> John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, TW> anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking TW> President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. TW> > > TW> > > TW> Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ TW> > > TW> President Bush supports Gibson TW> John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting TW> possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the TW> film. TW> > > TW> > > TW> Overall Record TW> > > TW> President Bush does not vote
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Terry, This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes to solve their fossil fuel dependence. Where your posting goes awfully wrong is when it does a direct vote solicitation to the list, which actually upset me a great deal. It is also wrong to solicit active participation from list members to work with spreading political propaganda. It is also quite stupid and humorous to do it on this list, when the majority of the members are from other countries than US, but I will not hold that against you. LOL Hakan At 03:43 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote: Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Partial-Birth Abortion > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools > > President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed > > > > Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders > > President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand > > > > Asking for God's blessing on America > > President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often > > > > Federal Judges > > President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God." John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. > > > > Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ > > President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. > > > > Overall Record > > President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. >> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. > > > > With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute 25,000,000 of these Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. > > > > If you want to help, please pass this on. > > > > If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Terry, This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes to solve their fossil fuel dependence. Where your posting goes awfully wrong is when it does a direct vote solicitation to the list, which actually upset me a great deal. It is also wrong to solicit active participation from list members to work with spreading political propaganda. It is also quite stupid and humorous to do it on this list, when the majority of the members are from other countries than US, but I will not hold that against you. LOL Hakan At 03:43 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote: Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Partial-Birth Abortion > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools > > President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed > > > > Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders > > President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand > > > > Asking for God's blessing on America > > President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often > > > > Federal Judges > > President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God." John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. > > > > Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ > > President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. > > > > Overall Record > > President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. >> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. > > > > With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute 25,000,000 of these Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. > > > > If you want to help, please pass this on. > > > > If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Untrue. Kerry opposes gay marriage but favors equal civil rights (like health insurance, life insurance and medical decision making) for gay couples. > > > > Partial-Birth Abortion > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Flat out wrong. Kerry opposes a Partial Birth abortion, but believes any law banning it needs an exception for the health of the mother. This was made quite clear in the 3rd debate. > > > > Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools > > President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed The supreme court has been quite clear on the issue of state sponsored prayer. "The Establishment Clause forbids state-sponsored prayers in public school settings no matter how nondenominational the prayers may be." Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. Supreme Court 577 (1992). Thus, in opposing state sponsored prayer, Kerry is upholding the constitution he has sworn to defend, both as a navy officer and as a US Senator. With regard to *voluntary* prayer, John Kerry voted NO on an amendment proposed by Sen. Helms that would have cut off funds to schools that deny students the right to pray. This vote doesn't strike me as anti-pray but pro-education. If a local school board chooses to ban prayer in school, isn't that a community standards issue? Funny how states rights and local standards apply sometimes but not others. > > > > Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders > > President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand This is much like the prayer issue above. Kerry is NOT opposed to the Boy Scouts position on homosexuality. In 1992, he voted against a Sen. Helms amendment that would have banned federal employees from giving to any charity that had withdrawn support from the BSA. I fail to see how voting against restraint of an employees choice of charitable giving is an anti-BSA position. Let me put it more simply; not voting to restrict the right of federal employees to give money to a charity *of* *their* *choice* supports the freedom the employee to do with his or her money as they please. It has nothing to do with the BSA. How would you feel if a democratic senator attempted to pass a law that prevented employees from giving his or her *own* money to any charity that supported Operation Rescue? It would be inappropriate restraint of free choice, no? Finally, it was a defense appropriations bill. What in god's name does charity giving have to do with national defense? > > > > Asking for God's blessing on America > > President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Mainstream press examples please. Kerry is a devout catholic; just
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Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? sanctioning loving and lasting relationships President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > saving the life of women with crisis pregnancies > > President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors > > > > barring religious freedom and diversity President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed > > > > Federal Judges > > President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God." the problem is they aren't I. don't depend on mythology for my rights rather the constitution. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. > > actually, Kerry, like the constitution, favors religious freedom and diversity John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry. highly respected? neutral ? balderdash - Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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I agree entirely with your response. However, the good thing about hate is that it can be used to motivate those who do not hate to push for change. Terry does not realize how well e-mails such as his work to motivate those who are not of the religious right, and also probably does not realize that he is far from the mainstream or the majority. I plan to send this to all of my friends, and I am sure that they will send it to all of theirs. Together, we can defeat this kind of hatred and bigotry, and make the world a better place for us all. Brian - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Terry Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide Hallo , Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote: TW> Election Voter Guide TW> Depending on the way you lean, the following information TW> could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. TW> Issues of Importance? Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion. What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort. Happy Happy, Gustl TW> Gay Marriage TW> > > TW> President Bush is opposed TW> John Kerry favors TW> > > TW> > > TW> Partial-Birth Abortion TW> > > TW> President Bush is opposed TW> John Kerry favors TW> > > TW> > > TW> Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools TW> > > TW> President Bush Favors TW> John Kerry is Opposed TW> > > TW> > > TW> Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout TW> Leaders TW> > > TW> President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand TW> John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand TW> > > TW> > > TW> Asking for God's blessing on America TW> > > TW> President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches TW> John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often TW> > > TW> > > TW> Federal Judges TW> > > TW> President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our TW> rights TW> are derived from God." TW> John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, TW> anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking TW> President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. TW> > > TW> > > TW> Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ TW> > > TW> President Bush supports Gibson TW> John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting TW> possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the TW> film. TW> > > TW> > > TW> Overall Record TW> > > TW> President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on TW> his TW> publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating TW> from TW> the American Conservative Union if he did. TW> >> TW> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral TW> National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 TW> -- TW> more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. TW> > > TW> > > TW> With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute TW> 25,000,000 TW> of these TW> Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. TW> > > TW> > > TW> If you want to help, please pass this on. TW> > > TW> > > TW> If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. TW> ___ TW> Biofuel mailing list TW> [EMAIL PROTECTED] TW> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel TW> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: TW> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html TW> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): TW> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
lobbyists, special interest groups, greed and corruption abound on both sides of the aisles of Congress. God sees it all and so should Christians. Christian voters need to see that God's heart breaks over more than just a few political and moral issues. It is time to take off our blinders and mourn for the sorry state of affairs that is American politics. Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history. The conservative religious and social structure that He defied hated and crucified Him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He aligned Himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the religious orthodoxy of His day. He advocated pacifism and loving our enemies. He liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on the Sabbath and forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with drunks and other social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of His day because they embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit. He loved sinners and called them to Himself. Jesus was the original Liberal. He was a progressive, and He was judged and hated for it. It was the self-righteous religionists that He rebuked and He called them hypocrites. The primary issues of Christian Liberalism were birthed when Jesus spoke the profoundly prophetic words found in Matthew 25: 31-46. These scriptures reveal God's heart for the poor, the sick and other neglected people through out history. Christians should read this text and judge for themselves which of the two groups mentioned there more accurately reflect the political parties of today. His Liberalism lives on today and the issues have not changed much. I am glad that conservative Republican candidates advocate for the family and a few Christian issues, but we must quit pretending that they are the only ones that Christians should consider voting for. People should not call themselves pro-life if they are only anti-abortion and yet feel no twinge of conscience over the unfair application of capital punishment or wars fought for dubious motives. A true pro-life position cares just as passionately for the born as the un-born and views war as a last resort when all other options are exhausted. Christians should look for candidates that will work for issues that are of importance to Christ and that can be tackled legislatively. Sadly, most of those causes have historically been opposed, ignored, and minimized by conservative Republican policy makers. They seem to dangle the moral issues carrot around election time. Then, even with a Republican controlled White House and Congress, prove themselves powerless to do anything about those issues when they convene to legislate. Issues such as eliminating poverty and homelessness in America, true equal rights for all citizens, environmental protection, a fair minimum wage, affordable health care, and lowering our infant mortality rate all go unattended. That's just to name a few. I have some questions for the Christian Right. Why have you not held our current elected majority officials accountable for their failure to address the full spectrum of Christian issues? Why would you vote for them again? It is time for Christians of conscience to stand up to religious and political hypocrisy. Christians should proudly proclaim progressive values today and should advocate for the Christian Liberalism that is our heritage and our legacy. Gary Vance ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) lives in Loretto, Tennessee. - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > > Terry, > > This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am > reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what > he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both > positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. > > This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my > life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 > billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a > second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the > US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the > same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to > have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy > policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is > going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes > to solve their fossil fuel dependence. > > Where your posting goes awfully wrong is when it does a direct vote > solicitation to the list, which actually upset me a great deal. It is also > wrong to solicit active partici
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Christian concern that go untouched by Republicans. I have listed some in the above paragraphs. True prophetic vision sees that there is great need for repentance on the left and the right. The effects of powerful lobbyists, special interest groups, greed and corruption abound on both sides of the aisles of Congress. God sees it all and so should Christians. Christian voters need to see that God's heart breaks over more than just a few political and moral issues. It is time to take off our blinders and mourn for the sorry state of affairs that is American politics. Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history. The conservative religious and social structure that He defied hated and crucified Him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He aligned Himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the religious orthodoxy of His day. He advocated pacifism and loving our enemies. He liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on the Sabbath and forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with drunks and other social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of His day because they embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit. He loved sinners and called them to Himself. Jesus was the original Liberal. He was a progressive, and He was judged and hated for it. It was the self-righteous religionists that He rebuked and He called them hypocrites. The primary issues of Christian Liberalism were birthed when Jesus spoke the profoundly prophetic words found in Matthew 25: 31-46. These scriptures reveal God's heart for the poor, the sick and other neglected people through out history. Christians should read this text and judge for themselves which of the two groups mentioned there more accurately reflect the political parties of today. His Liberalism lives on today and the issues have not changed much. I am glad that conservative Republican candidates advocate for the family and a few Christian issues, but we must quit pretending that they are the only ones that Christians should consider voting for. People should not call themselves pro-life if they are only anti-abortion and yet feel no twinge of conscience over the unfair application of capital punishment or wars fought for dubious motives. A true pro-life position cares just as passionately for the born as the un-born and views war as a last resort when all other options are exhausted. Christians should look for candidates that will work for issues that are of importance to Christ and that can be tackled legislatively. Sadly, most of those causes have historically been opposed, ignored, and minimized by conservative Republican policy makers. They seem to dangle the moral issues carrot around election time. Then, even with a Republican controlled White House and Congress, prove themselves powerless to do anything about those issues when they convene to legislate. Issues such as eliminating poverty and homelessness in America, true equal rights for all citizens, environmental protection, a fair minimum wage, affordable health care, and lowering our infant mortality rate all go unattended. That's just to name a few. I have some questions for the Christian Right. Why have you not held our current elected majority officials accountable for their failure to address the full spectrum of Christian issues? Why would you vote for them again? It is time for Christians of conscience to stand up to religious and political hypocrisy. Christians should proudly proclaim progressive values today and should advocate for the Christian Liberalism that is our heritage and our legacy. Gary Vance ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) lives in Loretto, Tennessee. ----- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > > Terry, > > This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am > reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what > he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both > positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. > > This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my > life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 > billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a > second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the > US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the > same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to > have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy > policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is > going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes > to solve their fossil fuel dependence. > > Where your posting
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I expect that this will open a whole can of worms, but, it is only my intent to point out something's that appears to me, as being odd with the comments in the article. See below. - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Doty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm > > > > Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org > Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > by Gary Vance > Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They also > believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle class > and the poor. > > Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history. The > conservative religious and social structure that He defied hated and > crucified Him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He > aligned Himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the religious > orthodoxy of His day. He advocated pacifism and loving our enemies. He > liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on the Sabbath and > forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with drunks and other > social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of His day because they > embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit. He loved sinners and > called them to Himself. Jesus was the original Liberal. He was a > progressive, and He was judged and hated for it. It was the self-righteous > religionists that He rebuked and He called them hypocrites. > I don't recall anywhere of Jesus advocating, anyone taking something from people and giving it to someone else.He would call it theft, regardless of the intent behind doing it. OTOH, he did preach that the people that have, should be charitable to those that didn't have, but, it is to be the responsibility of the ones that had, to give to the one receiving ( The Good Samaritan, comes to mind ).It is not someone else's place to take ( theft ) and give out as they see fit, such as with today's welfare system.He also preached that one should labor and be rewarded in measure, for what they do ( or don't do ), not just take and do not do anything to improve themselves, or their situation. Yes, he most definitely taught that one is responsible for their own actions, or in-actions what ever the case maybe. Would Jesus take anything from anyone that had more, just because they had more?No, but, he would want those who had more, to be more charitable, with what they had ( The Loaves and the Fishes, comes to mind ). Was he angry with merchants and moneychangers, because of who they were or what business they were in?No, it was because of where they did it, in a temple.What he did about it wasn't peaceful or passive, he was very pro-active about it in fact. Jesus a Liberal?No. A Libertarian ( a distinct difference )?Yes. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
I am glad to hear that. I believe that most people on this list are intelligent enough to not carry those same views. What is sad is that half of America is not that smart. They don't see the truth in front of them, and choose to remain ignorant. They call it patriotism, I call it stupid. It is no wonder why the US is becoming the laughing stock of the world. We used to tell "dumb Pollock" jokes, now every one else is telling "dumb American" jokes. It is not a good thing. - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Schearer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > Jennifer, in a previous message, Terry states that he did not write the initial voter guide. He merely passed along a message that has been on the internet. Jonathan Schearer. > > Jennifer Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Terry, > > Your misguided attempts to distort truths, and make Bush seem like a good > guy, do offend me. Nothing could be more anti Christian then the current > Bush administration, inspite of what he says on TV. Actions speak so much > louder than empty words. Also, I don't think being intolerant is truly > "Christian". That is just what the religious right wing conservatives want > you to believe. Re- read the New Testaments, Jesus would not disown certain > groups of people just because they are different, or because they made > choices that may be hard for others to understand. I don't understand how > Bush can claim to be pro life when he has caused a war which has slaughterer > thousands of innocent people. Banning partial birth abortions is silly > anyway, no self respecting doctor would perform such a thing unless the life > of the mother was in jeopardy. And please tell me when did the government > become expert on what takes Doctors YEARS to study, learn, and practice. I > do not want my government placing orders and restrictions on what my doctors > can do to protect my health. Please read below: > > Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm > > > > Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org > Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > by Gary Vance > Liberalism has been under assault for years now. The battering of this > grand political philosophy has altered the contemporary definition of > liberal to the point that Conservatives use it as a profane word. They use > it to paint a political opponent as anti-God and anti-American. It has > gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to be > open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their conscience > and choices as they enter the voting booth. This is particularly troubling > to me as a Christian evangelical minister who loves America. > Liberalism as defined by Webster's Third New International Dictionary: "a > political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of > man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for tolerance and > freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority in all spheres of life." > > I am not sure why anyone would feel threatened by Liberalism as defined by > the dictionary. They are apparently unaware or simply refuse to acknowledge > the long history of liberals who have labored for the betterment of society > and the furthering of God's Kingdom. > > The labor movement of the early twentieth century was aided significantly > when major Christian denominations got behind it. No average American would > have a fair wage today if it weren't for liberal Christians and labor > activists. Liberal Christians and civil rights activists fought and still > fight against conservative America for racial equality. Child labor laws > were enacted because liberals fought for them. Medicare and Social Security > exist today because of Liberalism. "Bleeding heart liberals" have long > advocated for the homeless, the hungry, the less fortunate, and the > disenfranchised. The women of America owe liberals a big thank you for their > almost equal rights. "Tree hugging liberals" fight for clean air and water > standards instead of favoring industrial polluters and short term > profiteering that destroy God's green earth. > > Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They also > believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle class > and the poor. Liberals love their spouses and children. Liberals faithfully > attend their churches to worship God. Liberals love America and hate > terrorism and have proved it by fighting in every war for this country. > Liberals come in a
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
On the contrary. Passing along a message, unless a disclaimer or refutation is added, implies the sender Agrees with and supports the message passed. Even the message involved says if you want to help spread the information (ie, you think it's good stuff), please pass it on. If you don't (think it's good stuff), then please don't help. The fellow who sent the message can be assumed to agree with the implications of the limited-in-scope and emotion-jerking 'voter guide'. To him, it is 'good stuff'. Personally, I think the trend towards gross simplification in politics is a tragedy. Since when is any subject simplistic, with no tangential ramifications? This email 'guide' bit of dross is a case in point. It's written to simply play on ones emotions, not ones intelligence nor reason. There is no total view. There is no detail. Have you stopped beating your wife, sir? There are tangential implications and ramifications everywhere, but they don't come in sound bites, do they. I'm sorry to say that many Americans, brought up on a diet of easy, fast, quick and now won't have the skills (or maybe patience?) to recognize simplistic dross when they see it, and spread it thinking they're 'doing good'. Some will recognize and refrain. I'm related to both types. I'm American. I think. I vote. Every time. HeidiWD On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:09:05 -0400, Jennifer Doty wrote: >ÊI am glad to hear that. ÊI believe that most people on this list >Êare intelligent enough to not carry those same views. Ê(snip) >>ÊJennifer, in a previous message, Terry states that he did not >>Êwrite the >Êinitial voter guide. ÊHe merely passed along a message that has >Êbeen on the internet. Ê (snip) ÊWith help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute Ê25,000,000 of these ÊElection Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. ÊIf you want to help, please pass this on. ÊIf you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your Êbeliefs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Hi Greg, And furthermore, the belief that health care requires continuous monitoring and supplemental assistance is a mind-set impregnated by the insurance companies and health care industry. If you believe in the necessity for spending a substantial percent of your income on each of these, then you recognize that you have a BELIEF and you are supporting your BELIEF. One way to change the world is to change your beliefs. No worms in this ointment--I don't have health insurance, nor do I want it. My family has spent money on physicians as needed which means about once every ten years we go in for some minor something--like an infected spider bite. Attitude is everything when it comes to health and that is my BELIEF. Eat well, stay active, bless your world, and pray in thanksgiving or some other adaptation of the same idea. Oh yes, and make your own fuel whenever possible which equates with community and self sufficiency. Best wishes, Peggy I expect that this will open a whole can of worms, but, it is only my intent to point out something's that appears to me, as being odd with the comments in the article. See below. > Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm > > > > Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org > Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > by Gary Vance > Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They also > believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle class > and the poor. > > Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history. The > conservative religious and social structure that He defied hated and > crucified Him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He > aligned Himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the religious > orthodoxy of His day. He advocated pacifism and loving our enemies. He > liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on the Sabbath and > forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with drunks and other > social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of His day because they > embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit. He loved sinners and > called them to Himself. Jesus was the original Liberal. He was a > progressive, and He was judged and hated for it. It was the self-righteous > religionists that He rebuked and He called them hypocrites. > I don't recall anywhere of Jesus advocating, anyone taking something from people and giving it to someone else.He would call it theft, regardless of the intent behind doing it. OTOH, he did preach that the people that have, should be charitable to those that didn't have, but, it is to be the responsibility of the ones that had, to give to the one receiving ( The Good Samaritan, comes to mind ). It is not someone else's place to take ( theft ) and give out as they see fit, such as with today's welfare system.He also preached that one should labor and be rewarded in measure, for what they do ( or don't do ), not just take and do not do anything to improve themselves, or their situation. Yes, he most definitely taught that one is responsible for their own actions, or in-actions what ever the case maybe. Would Jesus take anything from anyone that had more, just because they had more?No, but, he would want those who had more, to be more charitable, with what they had ( The Loaves and the Fishes, comes to mind ). Was he angry with merchants and moneychangers, because of who they were or what business they were in?No, it was because of where they did it, in a temple.What he did about it wasn't peaceful or passive, he was very pro-active about it in fact. Jesus a Liberal?No. A Libertarian ( a distinct difference )?Yes. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Hi Jennifer, What doe you expect? if it looks dumb,sounds dumb and acts dumb it is fore shure DUMB !! Fritz - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Doty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > I am glad to hear that. I believe that most people on this list are > intelligent enough to not carry those same views. What is sad is that half > of America is not that smart. They don't see the truth in front of them, > and choose to remain ignorant. They call it patriotism, I call it stupid. > It is no wonder why the US is becoming the laughing stock of the world. We > used to tell "dumb Pollock" jokes, now every one else is telling "dumb > American" jokes. It is not a good thing. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jonathan Schearer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > > > > Jennifer, in a previous message, Terry states that he did not write the > initial voter guide. He merely passed along a message that has been on the > internet. Jonathan Schearer. > > > > Jennifer Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Terry, > > > > Your misguided attempts to distort truths, and make Bush seem like a good > > guy, do offend me. Nothing could be more anti Christian then the current > > Bush administration, inspite of what he says on TV. Actions speak so much > > louder than empty words. Also, I don't think being intolerant is truly > > "Christian". That is just what the religious right wing conservatives want > > you to believe. Re- read the New Testaments, Jesus would not disown > certain > > groups of people just because they are different, or because they made > > choices that may be hard for others to understand. I don't understand how > > Bush can claim to be pro life when he has caused a war which has > slaughterer > > thousands of innocent people. Banning partial birth abortions is silly > > anyway, no self respecting doctor would perform such a thing unless the > life > > of the mother was in jeopardy. And please tell me when did the government > > become expert on what takes Doctors YEARS to study, learn, and practice. I > > do not want my government placing orders and restrictions on what my > doctors > > can do to protect my health. Please read below: > > > > Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm > > > > > > > > Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org > > Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? > > by Gary Vance > > Liberalism has been under assault for years now. The battering of this > > grand political philosophy has altered the contemporary definition of > > liberal to the point that Conservatives use it as a profane word. They use > > it to paint a political opponent as anti-God and anti-American. It has > > gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to be > > open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their > conscience > > and choices as they enter the voting booth. This is particularly troubling > > to me as a Christian evangelical minister who loves America. > > Liberalism as defined by Webster's Third New International Dictionary: "a > > political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness > of > > man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for tolerance and > > freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority in all spheres of > life." > > > > I am not sure why anyone would feel threatened by Liberalism as defined by > > the dictionary. They are apparently unaware or simply refuse to > acknowledge > > the long history of liberals who have labored for the betterment of > society > > and the furthering of God's Kingdom. > > > > The labor movement of the early twentieth century was aided significantly > > when major Christian denominations got behind it. No average American > would > > have a fair wage today if it weren't for liberal Christians and labor > > activists. Liberal Christians and civil rights activists fought and still > > fight against conservative America for racial equality. Child labor laws > > were enacted because liberals fought for them. Medicare and Social > Security > > exist today because of Liberalism. "Bleeding heart liberals" have long > > advocated for the homeless, the hungry, the less fortu
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
What's your BELIEF regarding US Vice President Dick Cheney's history of heart problems http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/06/29/cheney.chronology/ > Hi Greg, > > And furthermore, the belief that health care requires continuous > monitoring and supplemental assistance is a mind-set impregnated by the > insurance companies and health care industry. If you believe in the > necessity for spending a substantial percent of your income on each of > these, then you recognize that you have a BELIEF and you are supporting > your BELIEF. One way to change the world is to change your beliefs. No > worms in this ointment--I don't have health insurance, nor do I want it. > My family has spent money on physicians as needed which means about once > every ten years we go in for some minor something--like an infected > spider bite. Attitude is everything when it comes to health and that is > my BELIEF. Eat well, stay active, bless your world, and pray in > thanksgiving or some other adaptation of the same idea. Oh yes, and > make your own fuel whenever possible which equates with community and > self sufficiency. > > Best wishes, > Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide - Whoops!
Wow guys If you can believe this, I did not write that. It was just an email running around the Internet. Considering how this group likes to talk about the Administration, (usually one sided) I tought that you might find some humor in it. But it seems like some people are not very opened minded like others of us that have been able to read your emails for the last four years about how much the Adminstration has screwed things up. We shall see how ABC does in the end. Regards to all, Terry Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustl, I agree entirely with your response. However, the good thing about hate is that it can be used to motivate those who do not hate to push for change. Terry does not realize how well e-mails such as his work to motivate those who are not of the religious right, and also probably does not realize that he is far from the mainstream or the majority. I plan to send this to all of my friends, and I am sure that they will send it to all of theirs. Together, we can defeat this kind of hatred and bigotry, and make the world a better place for us all. Brian - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" To: "Terry Wilhelm" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide > Hallo , > > Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote: > > > TW> Election Voter Guide > TW> Depending on the way you lean, the following information > TW> could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. > > TW> Issues of Importance? > > Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally > useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion. > What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to > either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what > is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of > partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort. > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > > TW> Gay Marriage > TW> > > > TW> President Bush is opposed > TW> John Kerry favors > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Partial-Birth Abortion > TW> > > > TW> President Bush is opposed > TW> John Kerry favors > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools > TW> > > > TW> President Bush Favors > TW> John Kerry is Opposed > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout > TW> Leaders > TW> > > > TW> President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand > TW> John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Asking for God's blessing on America > TW> > > > TW> President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches > TW> John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Federal Judges > TW> > > > TW> President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our > TW> rights > TW> are derived from God." > TW> John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, > TW> anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking > TW> President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ > TW> > > > TW> President Bush supports Gibson > TW> John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting > TW> possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the > TW> film. > TW> > > > TW> > > > > TW> Overall Record > TW> > > > TW> President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on > TW> his > TW> publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating > TW> from > TW> the American Conservative Union if he did. > TW> >> > TW> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral > TW> National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 > TW> -- > TW> more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute > TW> 25,000,000 > TW> of these > TW> Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> If you want to help, please pass this on. > TW> > > > TW> > > > TW> If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. >
