Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11
Speaking of peaceful protests we have just had nearly 2 weeks of massive peaceful protests here in the USA by people protesting the proposed new immigration laws in the US Congress that would have instantly made felons out of over 10 million (based on current estimates) illegal US immigrants currently residing in the USA. These PEACFUL protests have already had a huge impact on Congress. Some of the protesters were High School Student Valedictorians (they have the highest grades in their class) who are not yet here legally, but who are setting one hell of a good example for others. The US Senate shelved the proposed law for now, as a result of the public outcry and protests! They recognized the huge mistake they were about to make thanks to the protests. Peaceful protests do happen and they do succeed! Mike McGinness Keith Addison wrote: I have to agree that social change does not happen with peaceful protests. Social change does not ONLY happen with peaceful protest. And peaceful protest does most certainly happen. The people benefiting from the imbalance that causes peaceful protests won't let go so easily (especially when they pay someone to fight their battles). The fight ends up being between the only two forms of power that mean anything in our society - money and people. When individuals believe they should have more than most, they accumulate wealth and with it, power. Those who are effected by that power and are not wealthy, organize and gather consensus among their fellow citizens. (IMO) the violence starts when the two powers have had time (years) to build. Peaceful protests are a tell-tale, signaling the possibility of violence. They signal the failure of the system to deliver on its promises, so alternative means must be found of bringing public opinion to bear on public events, and peaceful protest is one of them. The conflict won't end until antagonists (ruling class) have become exhausted from the fight and it's clear that there isn't much (money) left to gain by continuing. That's how it's been in the past, but despite all the apparently lost battles what history shows nonetheless is a steady pushing forward of the frontiers of human rights. That all the battles of the past have been lost (they weren't) wouldn't necessarily mean that the next one will be the same, especially not when there are some really new factors in the mix, which there are. The whole long 10,000-year war could be won or lost now, not just a battle. The reason for such an imbalance can't be placed squarely on the shoulders of the narcissists who gather wealth for the purpose of projecting power. If citizens played a bigger role in the everyday business of government, the imbalance would be seen earlier and kept from becoming the threat that it is today. Why do they consent to leaving it all to the government and the authorities in the first place? That's just what Edward Bernays said he invented public relations to achieve after all. Best Keith ...my $.02 Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, let's take this in chunks. Not okay: Why not answer the rest of the question Gary? It went like this: snippetysnippetysnip... Snipping's supposed to remove previous irrelevant matter to save space. But you're a compulsive snipper, and not to save space. Then the chunks you're left with aren't quite the same thing, eh? You can just take a little nibble or two in order to spit it out again and leave all the rest snipped by the wayside. It just evades the issue, and among other things somehow leads you to conclude that you're knocking one of my heroes, for heavens sakes. Do you think King Asoka's my hero too? We're not talking about hero-worship. Why don't you try giving a proper response? I'm not going to stitch it all back again, do it yourself. Who said anything about saints? Only you. Who's trying to avoid politics other than you? And who are you trying to tell about media coverage? If you'd been paying a little more attention you might have learnt a little about just what media coverage means and doesn't mean and the role it plays and doesn't play in issues such as these. Not necessarily what you just naturally assume. You have to skip over (snip snip) large chunks (not just niblets) of recent and current history for your view of it to make any sense. It's just prejudice anyway (pre-judgment). Force reality into it if you wish, but you're not persuading anyone but yourself that it fits. Peaceful protest doesn't work, what a load of old bullshit, same with peace with justice doesn't exist. You're talking nonsense. Gandhi I've only got a passing familiarity with, even though he seems to be referred to as the father of non-violent protest. Maybe he was perfect and maybe his followers were never incited to riot or to violence. If so, then in this case I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I'd like to be
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11
Sell all your shares. Ditch the lot. remove the money from your bank. Buy up gold bars or stocks in gold. It is the only universally tradable currency, not to mention the outcome? Oh it would hurt, it would involve a total re-think. Doug It's sound advice Doug. It's been sound advice for thousands of years. The value of gold has hardly changed aside from little temporary fits and starts. It always buys the same amount of bread, chickens, pigs, wives, housing, land and politicians. But I think there are some of us who're giggling a little, me among them. It's getting the shares and money in the bank in the first place that would involve a total re-think. I used to have some gold. At the refineries where they process the ore at the mines on the Reef it doesn't (or didn't) come put in the familiar ingots that you can't pick up with one hand or you can have it, that comes later. They produce it in a thin, endless strip like stick solder. I had about two inches of it that I kept in my pocket. A miner gave it to me. There was plenty more of it he said, and the price was good. The official price was still US$35 an ounce, it had been that way for 35 years. Some of my friends were talking about it, we all agreed we should buy a large stash of the stuff and horde it. Just talk, we never did it, we were broke all the time anyway. A few months later the price went up to $250 an ounce. :-( Can't remember what happened to the two inches of gold, but it's not in my pocket anymore. Actually I don't like gold, it's kind of garish. Silver's cool. Best Keith - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11 Hi Gary, On 13 Apr 2006, at 10:18, D. Mindock wrote: A revolution is what we need here. Peaceful, of course. Well, that won't happen. Maybe, we got to keep putting the thought out into the aether. Everything begins with a thought. Repeated and dwelled on, it manifests itself. I like the word meme. A meme is like a virus, hard to kill, and spreads easily. Repugs are constantly throwing memes out to make go at each other's throats. Ex., Steve and Adam's marriage is a threat to mine A child needs a dad and a mom, not two moms or two dads My idea is based on the bible. Yours, based on science, must be wrong Preemptive War is necessary to protect us from terrorists Our war in Iraq allows us to spread democracy there and throughout the mid-East. All pregnant women (or girls) must give birth Discrimination against gays is morally right since they are practicing immoral acts. We cannot give up on Iraq. It would dishonor all those who've given their lives. Etc. Would somebody PLEASE get me my orbiting nuke platform? I need to make some changes here. Nothing so drastic. But the intensity and power of the idea of revolution has to grow till it bursts forth. I guess we need to ask: what would Martin Luther King Jr or Ghandi do? Who would Jesus bomb? Peaceful Protest always had the promise of riots behind it. True. Nowadays the police are out in strength. They really manhandled the crowd down in Florida protesting the talks on CAFTA. Little old ladies were thrown to the ground. It was the ugly face of our new police state. Bush loves this control of protesters. Peace with justice, D. Mindock Did that ever really exist? Not in the U$A. We must work, take action, to make it happen. It won't happen in the Congress, which is largely influenced by corporate interests. Somehow, we have to reduce the influence of the moneyed special interests so that constutient interests handily prevail. Election reform is mandatory if this is ever going to happen. We got to get Big Money out of politics, especially in candidate selection. There are many to-the-bone decent candidates but they are drowned out in the sea of corporate influence sellers. Unless you can raise 40 million dollars, you'll never get heard. Bush had 200 million dollars for the 2004 election, maybe more. (And he still ended up needing to steal it.) Peace with justice, D. Mindock ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
