Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Hit the Full Size hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the image. A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size. Or just go to View on the toolbar and hit View Fullscreen. Voila!!! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
thanks again. My stepdoughter came in my asistance and said the same magic words, kids are very good in this business. Tks. Francisco - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, Hit the Full Size hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the image. A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size. Or just go to View on the toolbar and hit View Fullscreen. Voila!!! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Biorefinaries is surly less complex , small, tiny than petroleum oil very big refinaries, let our young the chemical and other engineers be prepare for this green great future of biomass for food, feed fuel, fertilizer and fine chemicals(natural product medicine) Our biofuel list is the major forum to promote this green tecnology and is not the place where here we promote the political views only as some one may think They don't actually think that. More like it's a reaction which protects them from thinking. Biofuel list is nowadays as someone misunderstood that becoming against some political system or religious system and Big Corporative marketing system Anti-USA, right? Don't let it bother you Pan, it happens all the time. Here's the most recent one: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050131/005440.html Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge You can see how disconnected this guy is, such cognitive dissonance allows a person to think whatever's most convenient at the time. Peggy was the previous one, accusing us of America-bashing and hating America and so on - again, completely disconnected: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050131/005287.html [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Asked to substantiate their view, to provide examples, they bluster, no examples, no substantiation. Always the same. Steve Spence did it twice, got furious each time, blustered furiously, and stormed out furiously, twice. After the last time, he was saying on other lists how we hate America here. It's no use reasoning with this kind of attitude, it's not based on reason. There's an interesting example in that first reference above, from Dave Shaw, also an American, who said this here recently: I have certainly been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only to reread the further and find that the statement was of different intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny. This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years, and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process. But others just cannot see that - cannot or will not. This might be why, a couple of quotes: If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. -- Bertrand Russell. And: Every man, wherever he goes, is encompassed by a cloud of comforting convictions, which move with him like flies on a summer day. One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people think in terms of frames and metaphors - conceptual structures. The frames are in the synapses of our brains - physically present in the form of neural circuitry. When the facts don't fit the frames, the frames are kept and the facts ignored. -- George Lakoff So I don't know what you've heard Pan, but it's just someone grinding an axe, nothing new, it happens all the time when selfish people aren't allowed to have their own way at everyone else's expense, and it's not important. Something I've said here before: Only damaging TRUTHS could hurt us, and there aren't any. I am bring this news here because this is not true as we all know this , but I am sure that what we all want surely and agree collectively here is an globalized one world where the globalized Village will be supported by our network lending helping hand for bio and people power , true democracy for environmental protection where including the Big Blues nations small village will have it place too. Ruralization with biorefinaries is not means the technology of the poor , but different to the Big petro refinery global models Here in this new world nothing is isolated as we all are in one world moving to toward seein the one TV news only all the same , but different language .What no one want here is no the war , but wish to promote integration as I understand with my long time participation here Here surely we the list members do integrate political, cultural , ecological and of curse technological issues too. In this context , I express my sincere thanks to our list group leader Keith courage and determination not to eliminate freedom of expression even though it is related with Powerful Big Blues and Big Corporations leading to several legal issues , after all he is not the one promoting this , but the responsibility is of the one who write ,send it and surely is not the Biofuel list that can be blamed for the same. Some outsider may feel and be unhappy informing that our list move nowadys from technological to political only.
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Biorefinaries is surly less complex , small, tiny than petroleum oil very big refinaries, let our young the chemical and other engineers be prepare for this green great future of biomass for food, feed fuel, fertilizer and fine chemicals(natural product medicine) Our biofuel list is the major forum to promote this green tecnology and is not the place where here we promote the political views only as some one may think Biofuel list is nowadays as someone misunderstood that becoming against some political system or religious system and Big Corporative marketing system I am bring this news here because this is not true as we all know this , but I am sure that what we all want surely and agree collectively here is an globalized one world where the globalized Village will be supported by our network lending helping hand for bio and people power , true democracy for environmental protection where including the Big Blues nations small village will have it place too. Ruralization with biorefinaries is not means the technology of the poor , but different to the Big petro refinery global models Here in this new world nothing is isolated as we all are in one world moving to toward seein the one TV news only all the same , but different language .What no one want here is no the war , but wish to promote integration as I understand with my long time participation here Here surely we the list members do integrate political, cultural , ecological and of curse technological issues too. In this context , I express my sincere thanks to our list group leader Keith courage and determination not to eliminate freedom of expression even though it is related with Powerful Big Blues and Big Corporations leading to several legal issues , after all he is not the one promoting this , but the responsibility is of the one who write ,send it and surely is not the Biofuel list that can be blamed for the same. Some outsider may feel and be unhappy informing that our list move nowadys from technological to political only. Here we do have lot of biodiversity and some of our member can freely express their views .We do have several members from different countries wit lot of biodiversity and I am sure that they can surely defend any unfair attack if it is true. Our list is not made to make an war against any nation and not t surely against Big petro refineries , but surely focus thoughts to the new biorefinarinary inovative model of decentralised , democratically based systems globalized village with small Biorefinaries to give people biopower.If we cant defend this power of the biofuel ,then who will do it as this is clearly against the interest of the very very Big Blues Multinational Corporation and they do not belong to any nation but are there every where. As native Indian and bees collectively builds , each Village Biorefinaries are differently and collectivelly build by the people and for the people without the help of BigBlues .Our network need to be the catalyst to accelerate the process and not to allow the Big Blues mecanical and chemical sytemswallowing all the small ecologically natural agricultural system But the the small biorefinary is surely need tyo compete with Big blues. This is reality fight between Big and small not betwen one nation against but promoted with few people..Let us have courage to stop this unfare war to make the ecolocal equilibrium and peace, biofuel , biorefinaries for all All written here is surly my personel view, need not be confused with any national or anti national or Biofuel list views or the Keith views . I thank again here that we all can not only express freely . Let us we also prepare well to recieve and reply the attack if the views expressed are unfair , and thus I find this as the more democratic and dynamic list among 6 technical list I participate . Our debate on Sacred Cow and biofuel is well known here , as Keith never took side on the particular group or nation and thus never divided removed any one with out motive but he also see the point on the other side so that we have our objetive here very clear and us move colectively together with renewation of the new informations Birefinaries are this new biofuel hot topic where we all need to integrate bioethanol , biogas, Biooil, wood gas and also bioD too .Let us have the ball rolling on this hot topoic in our list. sd Pannir Selvam Brazil. -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus
